Author Topic: ObamaCare stays - SC Rules 6-3 (Read 18252 times)

MCWAY · « **Reply #75 on:** June 28, 2012, 06:42:10 PM »

Quote from: Vince G, CSN MFT on June 28, 2012, 06:32:35 PM

Ohio, VA, and Florida are leaning to Obama. He pretty much has enough electoral votes to win. Romney had better full some diamonds from his ass if he wants to win because with the immigration thing, he's giving up a lot of ground

No, he doesn't. He's under 50% in nearly ALL of those swing states and statistically tied (within the margin of error) in most.

Again, you leave out the undecided voters. In the last 8 elections involving an incumbent, 7 of them lost ALL of the undecided/swing voters. The lone exception was Bush (43).

In case you forgot, he's losing white working-class voters by the truckload. If Romney gets 62% of them on election day, it's all over but the crying, no matter how much Obama panders to Latinos, gays, or whoever.

And that's under the gracious assumption that Latinos, gays, and especially black people match the numbers (sheer numbers, not percentages) of 2008, which is highly unlikely.

ObamaCare has been LOATHED for two years. It will not become popular in four months. ObamaCare got the Dems clobbered in 2010; history may repeat itself.

Vince G, CSN MFT · « **Reply #76 on:** June 28, 2012, 06:42:21 PM »

Quote from: OneMoreRep on June 28, 2012, 06:38:21 PM

I wouldn't be too sure, Romney's father was born in Mexico.

That will earn him a few points with Hispanic Americans.

"1"

If they know about it. Its been for the most part a media blackout regarding that. Even with that being said, they are likely going to see him as a white guy not to mention he has to oppose it since Obama endorsed it.

What really sucks is that Romney will either lose Tea Party members if he waffles on it or Hispanic voters for appealing it

War-Horse · « **Reply #77 on:** June 28, 2012, 06:42:56 PM »

Quote from: garebear on June 28, 2012, 07:35:11 AM

I guess the Republicans won't have to worry about spiking that football.

Huge win for Obama and the American people.

Best court decision I've heard in my lifetime.

Best post in the thread gare! Bout time we started making people responsible for their healthcare. Billions and billions are spent in E.R. visits from uninsured people running in for all kinds of reasons...And taxpayers have to pay for it. NO MORE!! We need to fight the republicans wanting this welfare system mentality!!! Everyone carries their weight!!!

MCWAY · « **Reply #78 on:** June 28, 2012, 06:44:04 PM »

Quote from: The Ugly on June 28, 2012, 06:38:42 PM

So, is this lose or win for Obama 2012?

I say it's a loss. Not only does Obama now have to defend an unpopular law, he has to explain why he lied about the nature, cost, and impact of that law.

Soul Crusher · « **Reply #79 on:** June 28, 2012, 06:45:29 PM »

Quote from: War-Horse on June 28, 2012, 06:42:56 PM

Best post in the thread gare! Bout time we started making people responsible for their healthcare. Billions and billions are spent in E.R. visits from uninsured people running in for all kinds of reasons...And taxpayers have to pay for it. NO MORE!! We need to fight the republicans wanting this welfare system mentality!!! Everyone carries their weight!!!

Are illegals going to the ER going to be forced to pay up?

MCWAY · « **Reply #80 on:** June 28, 2012, 06:46:53 PM »

Quote from: War-Horse on June 28, 2012, 06:42:56 PM

Best post in the thread gare! Bout time we started making people responsible for their healthcare. Billions and billions are spent in E.R. visits from uninsured people running in for all kinds of reasons...And taxpayers have to pay for it. NO MORE!! We need to fight the republicans wanting this welfare system mentality!!! Everyone carries their weight!!!

Everyone doesn't carry their weight. People have to pay for those who can't or won't carry their weight. And, they have to pay for things they don't want or need. And, they'll likely be forced to take government insurance, as their jobs throw their coverages out.

MCWAY · « **Reply #81 on:** June 28, 2012, 06:50:05 PM »

Quote from: 333386 on June 28, 2012, 06:45:29 PM

Are illegals going to the ER going to be forced to pay up?

Nope!!

War-Horse · « **Reply #82 on:** June 28, 2012, 06:53:13 PM »

Quote from: MCWAY on June 28, 2012, 06:46:53 PM

Everyone doesn't carry their weight. People have to pay for those who can't or won't carry their weight. And, they have to pay for things they don't want or need. And, they'll likely be forced to take government insurance, as their jobs throw their coverages out.

But at least theres a penalty for not carrying your weight and contributing to make the insurance companies richer!!! Do you have any idea of the revenue this will bring to the insurance comps!!! I thought you guys are pro capitialism??? I know if i dont buy auto insurance i can get my license revoked...so at least thats a start to action. Are you sure rebublicans??/

And BTW. STFU 333333333! your a delusional retard and a shut-in judging by your post count.

War-Horse · « **Reply #83 on:** June 28, 2012, 06:54:54 PM »

Quote from: MCWAY on June 28, 2012, 06:44:04 PM

I say it's a loss. Not only does Obama now have to defend an unpopular law, he has to explain why he lied about the nature, cost, and impact of that law.

Whatever...lol. Wait till you have to tell all those kids in college that they are coming off the parents policies!!...lol

MCWAY · « **Reply #84 on:** June 28, 2012, 06:56:37 PM »

Quote from: War-Horse on June 28, 2012, 06:53:13 PM

But at least theres a penalty for not carrying your weight and contributing to make the insurance companies richer!!! Do you have any idea of the revenue this will bring to the insurance comps!!! I thought you guys are pro capitialism??? I know if i dont buy auto insurance i can get my license revoked...so at least thats a start to action. Are you sure rebublicans??/

And BTW. STFU 333333333! your a delusional retard and a shut-in judging by your post count.

So making the government richer is better than making insurance companies richer?

And fining someone (and likely JAIL time, if you don't pay the fine) for not buying something is beyond ridiculous.

What's next? Are we going to be forced to buy Chevy Volts? Lord knows, that's the only way you'll get those pieces of crap sold.

Soul Crusher · « **Reply #85 on:** June 28, 2012, 06:57:28 PM »

Quote from: War-Horse on June 28, 2012, 06:54:54 PM

Whatever...lol. Wait till you have to tell all those kids in college that they are coming off the parents policies!!...lol

In ghettobamas economy no one has jobs so. They. Have to stay on parents insurance. FAIL.

MCWAY · « **Reply #86 on:** June 28, 2012, 06:59:05 PM »

Quote from: War-Horse on June 28, 2012, 06:54:54 PM

Whatever...lol. Wait till you have to tell all those kids in college that they are coming off the parents policies!!...lol

You're not "kids", when you're in your mid-20s.

Wait until you tell all those parents THAT ACTUALLY HAVE TO PAY THE BILLS that their premiums are going through the roof, to pay for stuff they don't need or want and, because of the lousy Obama economy, their "kids" (college degree and all) are still flipping burgers.

War-Horse · « **Reply #87 on:** June 28, 2012, 07:03:58 PM »

Quote from: MCWAY on June 28, 2012, 06:59:05 PM

You're not "kids", when you're in your mid-20s.

Wait until you tell all those parents THAT ACTUALLY HAVE TO PAY THE BILLS that their premiums are going through the roof, to pay for stuff they don't need or want and, because of the lousy Obama economy, their "kids" (college degree and all) are still flipping burgers.

So your not a capitialist? DOnt you want huge numbers of new policies flowing into insurance companies pockets( who also own the banks)

almost everyone i know, knows someone who has lost their home or other assets cuz the medical bills were outragous....where else does this happen but the might USA!!! We need somthing to happen and this is a good start.

MCWAY · « **Reply #88 on:** June 28, 2012, 07:08:51 PM »

Quote from: War-Horse on June 28, 2012, 07:03:58 PM

So your not a capitialist? DOnt you want huge numbers of new policies flowing into insurance companies pockets( who also own the banks)

almost everyone i know, knows someone who has lost their home or other assets cuz the medical bills were outragous....where else does this happen but the might USA!!! We need somthing to happen and this is a good start.

If this were a good start:

1) The Democrats wouldn't have had the holy hell beaten out of them in 2010.
2) They wouldn't have had to lie through their teeth to pass this mess in the first place
3) Obama would be touting this throughout his campaign (until today, he was all but mush-mouthed).
4) This bill wouldn't have been loathed for over two years.

Higher premiums for stuff you don't need doesn't help the middle class. THEY, not the rich (despite Obama's boneheaded claims) will get bilked for all this. They were told that NONE of their taxes would be increased, which was utter BS.

Obama isn't even on his own plan. Much worse, he hooked up all his union buddies and cronies with WAIVERS (which some people have apparently forgotten). Why would you need a waiver for something so God-Blessedly good?

Soul Crusher · « **Reply #89 on:** June 28, 2012, 07:10:21 PM »

how many people go the ER for. Birth control?

ObamaCare equals FAIL!

War-Horse · « **Reply #90 on:** June 28, 2012, 07:12:50 PM »

What about the E.R?? Most people going in would now have a policy!! And as for illegals..i say we deport them...or throw on the tax!! That would spread the word fast!!

MCWAY · « **Reply #91 on:** June 28, 2012, 07:15:46 PM »

Quote from: War-Horse on June 28, 2012, 07:12:50 PM

What about the E.R?? Most people going in would now have a policy!! And as for illegals..i say we deport them...or throw on the tax!! That would spread the word fast!!

Obama ain't deporting them. Or did you miss that from a couple of days ago? In fact, they can complain to the DOJ that the POLICE are harassing them, even thought they're the ones breaking our laws.

War-Horse · « **Reply #92 on:** June 28, 2012, 07:19:07 PM »

Quote from: MCWAY on June 28, 2012, 07:15:46 PM

Obama ain't deporting them. Or did you miss that from a couple of days ago? In fact, they can complain to the DOJ that the POLICE are harassing them, even thought they're the ones breaking our laws.

2011 set a record for deportations. 436,000. More than bush ever did or anyone else. Do you stay on fox channel or something? You seem to get spoon fed half the story. Im out, time for the chicken, salad, potato stuff.

LATS · « **Reply #93 on:** June 28, 2012, 07:19:40 PM »

dems lost in a landslide in 2010 based on obamacare.. now that the middle class will find out that this is "now" a tax.. good luck mr president.. obama got this through by announcing it was not a tax.. but, his lawyers, once again argued that it was a tax in order to get it passed because obama knew he was screwed trying to get it passed under the commerce clause.. so he lied..plain and simple...

as for him doing well in swing states.. you know little about the polls.. they use registered voters in most.. the undecided will decide this election.. and they lean right - center in those states.. if a incumbant is below 50% at this stage.. good luck.. the economy is listed as getting worse in the next couple of months.. and you will notice obama is not running on his record.. he is running by bashing romney.. that is telling.. have ya noticed how many demos have canceled going to the dems convention?? the list goes on..

can obama still win.. yes.. by lying like he did to us today.. some still fall for it..

MCWAY · « **Reply #94 on:** June 28, 2012, 07:27:49 PM »

Quote from: War-Horse on June 28, 2012, 07:19:07 PM

2011 set a record for deportations. 436,000. More than bush ever did or anyone else. Do you stay on fox channel or something? You seem to get spoon fed half the story. Im out, time for the chicken, salad, potato stuff.

This ain't 2011. It's 2012 and with Obama's job on the line, he just ordered his administration to cease with the deporting, to suck up to the Latino voters. Now, you claim he's simply going to deport them, if they don't pay for health insurance.

Do you stay on MSNBC or something? You are squawking the left's talking points virtually verbatim.

MCWAY · « **Reply #95 on:** June 28, 2012, 07:29:17 PM »

Quote from: LATS on June 28, 2012, 07:19:40 PM

dems lost in a landslide in 2010 based on obamacare.. now that the middle class will find out that this is "now" a tax.. good luck mr president.. obama got this through by announcing it was not a tax.. but, his lawyers, once again argued that it was a tax in order to get it passed because obama knew he was screwed trying to get it passed under the commerce clause.. so he lied..plain and simple...

as for him doing well in swing states.. you know little about the polls.. they use registered voters in most.. the undecided will decide this election.. and they lean right - center in those states.. if a incumbant is below 50% at this stage.. good luck.. the economy is listed as getting worse in the next couple of months.. and you will notice obama is not running on his record.. he is running by bashing romney.. that is telling.. have ya noticed how many demos have canceled going to the dems convention?? the list goes on..

can obama still win.. yes.. by lying like he did to us today.. some still fall for it..

As stated earlier, three states Obama won easily in 2008 have gone "toss-up"; one just switched to "Leans Romney".

Thanks to the gay "marriage" flop, he can kiss NC goodbye.

deadz · « **Reply #96 on:** June 28, 2012, 07:30:06 PM »

Oslama is a POS Socialist c unt who is torching the middle class. Hope that fucker has a mjor heart attack and dies VERY soon.

garebear · « **Reply #97 on:** June 28, 2012, 07:30:42 PM »

Quote from: deadz on June 28, 2012, 07:30:06 PM

Oslama is a POS Socialist c unt who is torching the middle class. Hope that fucker has a mjor heart attack and dies VERY soon.

Well, that's not a very nice thing to say at all.

deadz · « **Reply #98 on:** June 28, 2012, 07:36:31 PM »

Quote from: garebear on June 28, 2012, 07:30:42 PM

Well, that's not a very nice thing to say at all.

Stay in China, Putz!

littledumbells · « **Reply #99 on:** June 28, 2012, 07:42:05 PM »

Quote from: garebear on June 28, 2012, 07:35:11 AM

I guess the Republicans won't have to worry about spiking that football.

Huge win for Obama and the American people.

Best court decision I've heard in my lifetime.

We really will not know for 5-10 years whether the bill really is any good or sustainable for that matter. At that point, give or take, we will also know whether it was a good decision by the court