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 Government merely creates an environment in which businesses and entrepreneurs can thrive and succeed(or fail).  Like someone said, Obama (and Romney) is correct is stating that you did not get there on your own.......but a guy who helped pave a road in which a successful trucking company is located on should not necessarily get credit for that company's success.   You couldn't operate a business successfully without the security of law enforcement and paved roads. 

Government and private enterprise in their best forms will always be precariously balanced with both depending on one another.  It is when one begins to overpower another is when we see problems arise.  A tightrope walker has to use tremendous concentration in navigating the rope....however, it'd be far easier to just jump into the safety net or to not even navigate the rope at all.

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Government merely creates an environment in which businesses and entrepreneurs can thrive and succeed(or fail).  Like someone said, Obama (and Romney) is correct is stating that you did not get there on your own.......but a guy who helped pave a road in which a successful trucking company is located on should not necessarily get credit for that company's success.   You couldn't operate a business successfully without the security of law enforcement and paved roads. 

Government and private enterprise in their best forms will always be precariously balanced with both depending on one another.  It is when one begins to overpower another is when we see problems arise.  A tightrope walker has to use tremendous concentration in navigating the rope....however, it'd be far easier to just jump into the safety net or to not even navigate the rope at all.

Shut the *uck up.

Stop trying to sound philosophical.

Obama made a fool out of himself.

End of thread.

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Shut the *uck up.

Stop trying to sound philosophical.

Obama made a fool out of himself.

End of thread.
Boy you have been on a rampage tonight, lol.

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Obama made a fool out of himself.

End of thread.

July 18, 2012




Did Romney make a fool out of himself when he agreed with Obama's speech/message the following week?


You are right, this thread should be over.  But, when Fox News plays a sound byte like the title of this thread, people assume it was the only sentence Obama stated.  Most people didn't listen to or read his speech.  Additionally, Fox won't play the clip of Romney I shared above.  The result?  11 pages....of a thread that attempts to call Obama a fool....all because there are so many uninformed people, who didn't realize that Romney said the exact same thing as Obama, a few days later.

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The Myth of Obama’s Rhetorical Brilliance
Commentary Magazine ^ | July 20, 2012 | Alana Goodman
Posted on July 21, 2012 6:29:12 PM EDT by Kaslin

Checking for context before slamming someone for a single line in a speech is always a noble endeavor. But there’s a point when the “benefit of the doubt” becomes ridiculous. A prime example is the liberal argument that President Obama’s “you didn’t build that” comment wasn’t directed at businesses:

When he made the comment in Roanoke, Va. Friday, Obama was arguing that businesses needed infrastructure investment to succeed.

“If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help,” Obama said. “There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business, you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen.”

The antecedent to “that” is not the business, but “roads and bridges,” as well as the “American system” as a whole.

To believe that Obama was talking about businesses, you only have to watch his speech in context and take it at its literal meaning. To believe Obama was talking about something else, you have to divine certain messages from his ambiguous body language, assume he mixed up his demonstrative pronouns, and concede that the context was structured oddly. Even then, it isn’t clear what exactly he’s referring to.


How could this be, considering he’s supposed to be one of the world’s most celebrated orators? The answer is, no teleprompter:

Judging from video and photos of the event, Obama wasn’t using his teleprompter. According to the video footage posted below, Obama pulled a folded sheet of paper out of his front shirt pocket at the beginning of his speech, and slowly unfolded it. Throughout the speech, Obama glances down at his sheet of paper, rather than the usual mechanical side-to-side head turns from screen to screen.

Wide-angle photos of the event show no sign of the familiar twin-screens that typically follow Obama everywhere. Instead, a white sheet of paper is seen at the podium.

No wonder the speech was such a train wreck, and I’m not just talking about the most controversial line. Here’s a key excerpt:

If you were successful somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you own a business — that, you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Iternet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet. The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together. There are some things, just like fighting fires, we don’t do on our own. I mean, imagine if everybody had their own fire service. That would be a hard way to organize fighting fires.

Stilted, flat, unimaginative and full of banal observations. “Imagine if everybody had their own fire service,” he said at one point. “That would be a hard way to organize fighting fires.” Really? It actually sounds like firefighting would be pretty easy if America had 300 million fire services. Not that this is physically possible, or that anybody has ever proposed such a thing. “Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet,” he added. The idea that the government created the Internet to help companies make money is so obviously inaccurate that it’s not even worth discussing. And what does any of this have to do with raising federal income taxes?

For the past four years, liberals have tried to sell us on the idea that Obama is one of the greatest speakers of all time. Now they’re complaining that conservatives are taking his words literally and not cutting him enough slack. Which one is it?

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The Myth of Obama’s Rhetorical Brilliance
Commentary Magazine ^ | July 20, 2012 | Alana Goodman
Posted on July 21, 2012 6:29:12 PM EDT by Kaslin

Checking for context before slamming someone for a single line in a speech is always a noble endeavor. But there’s a point when the “benefit of the doubt” becomes ridiculous. A prime example is the liberal argument that President Obama’s “you didn’t build that” comment wasn’t directed at businesses:

When he made the comment in Roanoke, Va. Friday, Obama was arguing that businesses needed infrastructure investment to succeed.

“If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help,” Obama said. “There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business, you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen.”

The antecedent to “that” is not the business, but “roads and bridges,” as well as the “American system” as a whole.

To believe that Obama was talking about businesses, you only have to watch his speech in context and take it at its literal meaning. To believe Obama was talking about something else, you have to divine certain messages from his ambiguous body language, assume he mixed up his demonstrative pronouns, and concede that the context was structured oddly. Even then, it isn’t clear what exactly he’s referring to.


How could this be, considering he’s supposed to be one of the world’s most celebrated orators? The answer is, no teleprompter:

Judging from video and photos of the event, Obama wasn’t using his teleprompter. According to the video footage posted below, Obama pulled a folded sheet of paper out of his front shirt pocket at the beginning of his speech, and slowly unfolded it. Throughout the speech, Obama glances down at his sheet of paper, rather than the usual mechanical side-to-side head turns from screen to screen.

Wide-angle photos of the event show no sign of the familiar twin-screens that typically follow Obama everywhere. Instead, a white sheet of paper is seen at the podium.

No wonder the speech was such a train wreck, and I’m not just talking about the most controversial line. Here’s a key excerpt:

If you were successful somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you own a business — that, you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Iternet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet. The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together. There are some things, just like fighting fires, we don’t do on our own. I mean, imagine if everybody had their own fire service. That would be a hard way to organize fighting fires.

Stilted, flat, unimaginative and full of banal observations. “Imagine if everybody had their own fire service,” he said at one point. “That would be a hard way to organize fighting fires.” Really? It actually sounds like firefighting would be pretty easy if America had 300 million fire services. Not that this is physically possible, or that anybody has ever proposed such a thing. “Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet,” he added. The idea that the government created the Internet to help companies make money is so obviously inaccurate that it’s not even worth discussing. And what does any of this have to do with raising federal income taxes?

For the past four years, liberals have tried to sell us on the idea that Obama is one of the greatest speakers of all time. Now they’re complaining that conservatives are taking his words literally and not cutting him enough slack. Which one is it?
 

July 18, 2012



Thanks 333386 for keeping a look out for these uninformed authors.  Let's just add Alana Goodman to the list of very uninformed people (since she wrote this article 4 days after Romney agreed) who need to do some research before publishing such articles.

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they did change that quote from obama to meet their political goal.  they even called it 'persuasive art'.

very weak on the romney campaign side.  They have PLENTY of things to attack obama for - but mangling his words is piss poor weak.

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they did change that quote from obama to meet their political goal.  they even called it 'persuasive art'.

very weak on the romney campaign side.  They have PLENTY of things to attack obama for - but mangling his words is piss poor weak.


Obama said what he said, it's clear as day.   

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Obama said what he said, it's clear as day.    

Romney said the same thing Obama said, clear as day.  Next issue...


July 18, 2012

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333 - ignoring the obvious fact that no where do you see Obama saying "you should be grateful" do you actually believe Obama is saying "you didn't build your business and somebody else built your business" ?


bump for 333

a simple yes or no will suffice

if you want to provide an explanation of your yes or no that is fine too



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Obama said what he said, it's clear as day.    

dont be a dick.  obama says lots of stupid things

but in this case, romney did mangle his words.  he was citing infrastructure.  

i guess if you wanan be immature and defend what romney campaign already called 'persuasive art', that's cool.  But dont expect us to believe you on anything else.


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but in this case, romney did mangle his words.  he was citing infrastructure.  

i guess if you wanan be immature and defend what romney campaign already called 'persuasive art', that's cool.  But dont expect us to believe you on anything else.



Not only did Romney's campaign call it "persuasive art," but he went on to say the same thing as Obama.

July 13, 2012
Obama: "If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive."

July 18, 2012
Romney: "I know that you recognize a lot of people helped you in that business. Perhaps the banks. Investors. There’s no question your mom and dad, your school teacher, the people who provide roads, the fire and police."



Yet, it is July 22, 2012 AND this thread is 11 pages long.  :o



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Not only did Romney's campaign call it "persuasive art," but he went on to say the same thing as Obama.

Obama: "If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive."


Romney: "I know that you recognize a lot of people helped you in that business. Perhaps the banks. Investors. There’s no question your mom and dad, your school teacher, the people who provide roads, the fire and police."

Yet, this thread is 11 pages  :o

it's 11 pages because of certain people's willful choice to believe that Obama was saying that "you did not build your business" and that "someone else built your business"

most people can watch the full clip and understand exactly what Obama is saying (and as you've pointed out mnay times Romney has said essentially the exact same thing) but some apparently can't understand it and others know exactly what he is saying but choose to pretend otherwise (I guess to continue to rile up the people who are too stupid to understand what he was saying)

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I think 33 now realizes it was cut to mislead, and he realizes he was mis-led by the "persuasive art".

Romney's supporters should demand more of their candidate.  His supporters used this to smear obama, and got egg on their face.

It would be better to deliver 18 effective ads that can't be debunked - rather than 20 ads with 2 that are outright lies.  They undermine the 18 ads that are perfectly correct.  As far as I'm concerned the Romney ad team are a bunch of lying bitch ass fvcks now.  Cause of that one ad.  Even if they had it right on all the other ads, which (aside from that quote from obama quoting mccain), they've been right.

So on a sunday where I like romney and think he'd make a good president, his team can S my D because they're misleading douchebags.

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I think 33 now realizes it was cut to mislead, and he realizes he was mis-led by the "persuasive art".
Romney's supporters should demand more of their candidate.  His supporters used this to smear obama, and got egg on their face.

It would be better to deliver 18 effective ads that can't be debunked - rather than 20 ads with 2 that are outright lies.  They undermine the 18 ads that are perfectly correct.  As far as I'm concerned the Romney ad team are a bunch of lying bitch ass fvcks now.  Cause of that one ad.  Even if they had it right on all the other ads, which (aside from that quote from obama quoting mccain), they've been right.

So on a sunday where I like romney and think he'd make a good president, his team can S my D because they're misleading douchebags.

I think 333 is in that group that knows EXACTLY what Obama was saying and just chooses to pretend otherwise

if not then he is in the dumber group of people who don't actually understand what Obama was saying i.e. they genuinely believe that Obama was saying you didn't build your business or that someone else built your business

I'm giving thim the benefit of the doubt that he's not a complete moron and just chooses to act like one

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I think 333 is in that group that knows EXACTLY what Obama was saying and just chooses to pretend otherwise

if not then he is in the dumber group of people who don't actually understand what Obama was saying i.e. they genuinely believe that Obama was saying you didn't build your business or that someone else built your business

I'm giving thim the benefit of the doubt that he's not a complete moron and just chooses to act like one

No - all Obama, by the tone of voice and body language was trying to say is what this raving communist bitch was -


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No - all Obama, by the tone of voice and body language was trying to say is what this raving communist bitch was -

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No - all Obama, by the tone of voice and body language was trying to say is what this raving communist bitch was -



is that your way of admitting the Obama did NOT say that you didn't build your business or that someone else built your business?

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is that your way of admitting the Obama did NOT say that you didn't build your business or that someone else built your business?

Obama said what he said.   And even if we accept his tortured excuse and logic for what he said, he is still full of shit.


Bro - just accept it - he is not some brilliant genius and intellect.   He never was, never will be, and is simply a two bit ghetto leech parroting whatever communist arguments he can recall from his mentor Frank Davis, his buddy Ayeres, his marxist pastor Wright, his associates in the socialist  "New Party", the "marxist professors" from college he made friends with, etc.     

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Obama said what he said.   And even if we accept his tortured excuse and logic for what he said, he is still full of shit.


Bro - just accept it - he is not some brilliant genius and intellect.   He never was, never will be, and is simply a two bit ghetto leech parroting whatever communist arguments he can recall from his mentor Frank Davis, his buddy Ayeres, his marxist pastor Wright, his associates in the socialist  "New Party", the "marxist professors" from college he made friends with, etc.     

correct

and what he DID NOT say is that you didn't build your business or that someone else built your business

right?




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correct

and what he DID NOT say is that you didn't build your business or that someone else built your business

right?




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You want me to quote him word for word ? ? ? ? ?

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you want me to quote him word for word ? ? ? ? ?

no need, I know what he said

do you think Obama said "you didn't build your business" and "someone else built your business"

yes or no?


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no need, I know what he said

do you think Obama said "you didn't build your business" and "someone else built your business"

yes or no?



Yes - because what he is saying is that you couild not have built your business BUT FOR the saintly road crew and AFT.

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Yes - because what he is saying is that you couild not have built your business BUT FOR the saintly road crew and AFT.


ok - then you're either choosing to not understand what he said or you truly don't understand what he said

I'm glad after 11 pages we could finally reach that conclusion


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ok - then you're either choosing to not understand what he said or you truly don't understand what he said

I'm glad after 11 pages we could finally reach that conclusion



I know exactly what he said.