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Re: Media Calls Out Paul Ryan Acceptance Speech For Falsehoods
« Reply #50 on: August 30, 2012, 10:36:12 AM »
Well its just hilarious to even see this kind of nonsense.  They are essentially arguing against Obama when he stayed pretty much out of the whole GM plant thing.  Whereas, you had Ryan flying to the plant, holding meetings with GM, discussing what he could do for them with the Bailout Money, then voting for the Bailout, then Failing to deliver.

Somehow Obama is at fault for Ryan`s actions here.  Its amusing really.
I have always been of the opinioin that if you as a Gov took Bail out money, you shouldnt utter a word against Obama as it pertians to the Economy/Jobs...

Now if you didnt take the money and your State's economy and Jobs stayed in tact, or weathered the storm.. then you have a leg to stand on.. Otherwise.




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Re: Media Calls Out Paul Ryan Acceptance Speech For Falsehoods
« Reply #51 on: August 30, 2012, 10:36:54 AM »
LOL - I posted obama's own words that HE WOULD LEAD AN EFFORT TO RE-TOOL THE PLANT! 


Did obama do that YES or NO? 
Isn`t it clear that Ryan who flew to the plant, held private meetings with GM, discussing what he could do for them with the Bailout Money, then voting for the Bailout, promised them he would keep it open and really failed big time?

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Re: Media Calls Out Paul Ryan Acceptance Speech For Falsehoods
« Reply #52 on: August 30, 2012, 10:39:01 AM »
I have always been of the opinioin that if you as a Gov took Bail out money, you shouldnt utter a word against Obama as it pertians to the Economy/Jobs...

Now if you didnt take the money and your State's economy and Jobs stayed in tact, or weathered the storm.. then you have a leg to stand on.. Otherwise.




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Ryan is a little shit-head.  Its hilarious how Republicans support him, yet he votes and does completely the opposite of what they claim to believe in.

The thought processes of Republicans are just not all there I think.

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Re: Media Calls Out Paul Ryan Acceptance Speech For Falsehoods
« Reply #53 on: August 30, 2012, 10:40:06 AM »
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Re: Media Calls Out Paul Ryan Acceptance Speech For Falsehoods
« Reply #54 on: August 30, 2012, 10:40:58 AM »
I have always been of the opinioin that if you as a Gov took Bail out money, you shouldnt utter a word against Obama as it pertians to the Economy/Jobs...

Now if you didnt take the money and your State's economy and Jobs stayed in tact, or weathered the storm.. then you have a leg to stand on.. Otherwise.




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3. In October 2008 Obama doubled down on his promise to keep Janesville plant open: “As president, I will lead an effort to retool plants like the GM facility in Janesville so we can build the fuel-efficient cars of tomorrow and create good-paying jobs in Wisconsin and all across America.”






DID OBAMA LEAD AN EFFORT - YES OR NO? 


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« Reply #55 on: August 30, 2012, 10:42:39 AM »


3. In October 2008 Obama doubled down on his promise to keep Janesville plant open: “As president, I will lead an effort to retool plants like the GM facility in Janesville so we can build the fuel-efficient cars of tomorrow and create good-paying jobs in Wisconsin and all across America.”






DID OBAMA LEAD AN EFFORT - YES OR NO?  


NOW GO GET YOUR SHINE BOX MORON  
I think Ryan was the lead effort here given that it was Ryan who flew to the plant, held private meetings with GM, discussing what he could do for them with the Bailout Money, then voting for the Bailout, promised them he would keep it open and really failed big time.

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Re: Media Calls Out Paul Ryan Acceptance Speech For Falsehoods
« Reply #56 on: August 30, 2012, 10:43:24 AM »


3. In October 2008 Obama doubled down on his promise to keep Janesville plant open: “As president, I will lead an effort to retool plants like the GM facility in Janesville so we can build the fuel-efficient cars of tomorrow and create good-paying jobs in Wisconsin and all across America.”






DID OBAMA LEAD AN EFFORT - YES OR NO? 


NOW GO GET YOUR SHINE BOX MORON 


Uhohhh you mean business.. you typed in CAPS...

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Re: Media Calls Out Paul Ryan Acceptance Speech For Falsehoods
« Reply #57 on: August 30, 2012, 10:43:59 AM »
I think Ryan was the lead effort here given that it was Ryan who flew to the plant, held private meetings with GM, discussing what he could do for them with the Bailout Money, then voting for the Bailout, promised them he would keep it open and really failed big time.


LOL - a house member has no ability to do that all on his own.  Obama did. 

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« Reply #58 on: August 30, 2012, 10:44:57 AM »

LOL - a house member has no ability to do that all on his own.  Obama did. 
Oh no, Ryan was the one who flew to the plant, held private meetings with GM, discussing what he could do for them with the Bailout Money, then voted for the Bailout after the meetings.

Only problem was, that he didn`t deliver.

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Re: Media Calls Out Paul Ryan Acceptance Speech For Falsehoods
« Reply #59 on: August 30, 2012, 10:46:22 AM »
Oh no, Ryan was the one who flew to the plant, held private meetings with GM, discussing what he could do for them with the Bailout Money, then voted for the Bailout after the meetings.

Only problem was, that he didn`t deliver.


LOL.  you are clueless. 

Ryan as a single house member could not veto the efforts of Obama's car czar. 

The lengths you will go to cover his failed presidency is astounding. 

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« Reply #60 on: August 30, 2012, 10:47:46 AM »

LOL.  you are clueless. 

Ryan as a single house member could not veto the efforts of Obama's car czar. 

The lengths you will go to cover his failed presidency is astounding. 
Why would Ryan want to veto something he fully supported?   ???   ???   ???

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« Reply #61 on: August 30, 2012, 10:50:19 AM »
Why would Ryan want to veto something he fully supported?   ???   ???   ???

He supported the initial bailout - but obama then used the packaged bankruptcy to give 55% of the company to the UAW. 


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« Reply #62 on: August 30, 2012, 10:51:38 AM »
He supported the initial bailout - but obama then used the packaged bankruptcy to give 55% of the company to the UAW. 


Ryan planned to give the Bailout Money to them also.  He even met with them Pre-Bailout vote to hear their concerns and wanted to give them what they asked for.  He failed though.

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« Reply #63 on: August 30, 2012, 10:52:39 AM »
He supported the initial bailout - but obama then used the packaged bankruptcy to give 55% of the company to the UAW. 


Not only did he support it, he voted for it and wanted to use the money to specifically channel it to the Janesville Plant.  He failed.

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« Reply #64 on: August 30, 2012, 10:53:19 AM »
Ryan planned to give the Bailout Money to them also.  He even met with them Pre-Bailout vote to hear their concerns and wanted to give them what they asked for.  He failed though.

It was obama's car czar that dictated the closures, no one else.  

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« Reply #65 on: August 30, 2012, 10:54:33 AM »
It was obama's car czar that dictated the closures, no one else.  
General Motors already planned to close the plant way before Obama even won the Democratic Primary. 


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« Reply #66 on: August 30, 2012, 10:55:25 AM »
It was obama's car czar that dictated the closures, no one else.  
Do you support  Ryan Flying to the plant, holding private meetings with GM, discussing what he could do for them with the Bailout Money, then voting for the Bailout?

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« Reply #67 on: August 30, 2012, 10:55:45 AM »
General Motors already planned to close the plant way before Obama even won the Democratic Primary. 



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Re: Media Calls Out Paul Ryan Acceptance Speech For Falsehoods
« Reply #68 on: August 30, 2012, 10:57:17 AM »
The Truth about the GM Janesville Plant



Actually, Paul Ryan left out something about the Janesville GM plant — it was one of three plants GM was considering reopening back in 2010. We posted this piece from the WSJ on it. Sadly, Janesville lost out because of “community impact” and its “carbon footrpint.” The bribe from Michigan probably helped as well:
 
How GM is Choosing its New Plants
 



From today’s WSJ:


When it was deciding where to build its new compact car, General Motors Corp. made a point of saying it would push politics aside and use strictly commercial criteria.

So Tennessee’s three top officials were astonished last month, in a meeting with GM, when they were told the first two criteria were “community impact” and “carbon footprint” — or how the choice would affect unemployment rates and carbon-dioxide emissions.

“Those didn’t strike us as business criteria at all,” said Tennessee Sen. Lamar Alexander, who was joined in the meeting by fellow Republican Sen. Bob Corker and the state’s Democratic governor, Phil Bredesen. Those factors, Mr. Alexander said, “seemed odd for a company struggling to get back on its feet.”

On June 26, after a monthlong competition, GM tapped an existing factory in Orion, Mich., pushing aside competing plants in Spring Hill, Tenn., and Janesville, Wis.

And . . .


Michigan won the bidding by offering $779 million in business tax credits over the next 20 years, along with $130 million in federal funds for worker training. Local officials threw in additional $102 million in incentives.

I asssume this deal makes the most sense for GM, but I wonder if anyone in Michigan owns a calculator. Is a $779 million business-tax credit for the 1,400 jobs this plant will create really the best use of taxpayer money in Michigan?

So, there you have it. Maybe if the good folks of Janesville all held their breath to reduce their CO2 emissions, they would’ve had a better shot at winning the business.

And, to top it off, the NYT editorialized in the summer of 2008, “R.I.P.  to the S.U.V.”

Janesville made S.U.V.s. A fact we pointed out to the Times in October 2008 when Janesville was slated to closed.
 
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« Reply #69 on: August 30, 2012, 10:58:37 AM »
The Truth about the GM Janesville Plant



Actually, Paul Ryan left out something about the Janesville GM plant — it was one of three plants GM was considering reopening back in 2010. We posted this piece from the WSJ on it. Sadly, Janesville lost out because of “community impact” and its “carbon footrpint.” The bribe from Michigan probably helped as well:
 
How GM is Choosing its New Plants
 



From today’s WSJ:


When it was deciding where to build its new compact car, General Motors Corp. made a point of saying it would push politics aside and use strictly commercial criteria.

So Tennessee’s three top officials were astonished last month, in a meeting with GM, when they were told the first two criteria were “community impact” and “carbon footprint” — or how the choice would affect unemployment rates and carbon-dioxide emissions.

“Those didn’t strike us as business criteria at all,” said Tennessee Sen. Lamar Alexander, who was joined in the meeting by fellow Republican Sen. Bob Corker and the state’s Democratic governor, Phil Bredesen. Those factors, Mr. Alexander said, “seemed odd for a company struggling to get back on its feet.”

On June 26, after a monthlong competition, GM tapped an existing factory in Orion, Mich., pushing aside competing plants in Spring Hill, Tenn., and Janesville, Wis.

And . . .


Michigan won the bidding by offering $779 million in business tax credits over the next 20 years, along with $130 million in federal funds for worker training. Local officials threw in additional $102 million in incentives.

I asssume this deal makes the most sense for GM, but I wonder if anyone in Michigan owns a calculator. Is a $779 million business-tax credit for the 1,400 jobs this plant will create really the best use of taxpayer money in Michigan?

So, there you have it. Maybe if the good folks of Janesville all held their breath to reduce their CO2 emissions, they would’ve had a better shot at winning the business.

And, to top it off, the NYT editorialized in the summer of 2008, “R.I.P.  to the S.U.V.”

Janesville made S.U.V.s. A fact we pointed out to the Times in October 2008 when Janesville was slated to closed.
 
http://www.nationalreview.com/planet-gore


Ok, so now we are back to praising Obama because the plant was going to re-open, thus the Bailout worked?   ???

Which is it?

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« Reply #70 on: August 30, 2012, 11:01:22 AM »
Ok, so now we are back to praising Obama because the plant was going to re-open, thus the Bailout worked?   ???

Which is it?

The plant did not re-open, did not re-tool, and is still closed. 


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« Reply #71 on: August 30, 2012, 11:01:52 AM »
I don`t understand.

Janesville made SUV`s, their equipment and tools were made to make SUV`s.  Americans were not buying SUV`s.  SUV`s sales were in the gutter.  Nobody was buying SUV`s.

Why would the plant have stayed open?  Did Ryan want them to continue to make SUV`s that nobody was going to buy?


GM realized nobody was buying their SUV`s so they decided to cut many production models.  If nobody is buying, you change your product.  Why would they need the plant if they were no longer going make SUV`s?

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« Reply #72 on: August 30, 2012, 11:04:03 AM »
The plant did not re-open, did not re-tool, and is still closed. 


So you support Ryan`s efforts here, flying to the plant, holding private meetings with GM at the plant , discussing what he could do for them with the Bailout Money, then voting for the Bailout.

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« Reply #73 on: August 30, 2012, 11:06:38 AM »
I don`t understand.

Janesville made SUV`s, their equipment and tools were made to make SUV`s.  Americans were not buying SUV`s.  SUV`s sales were in the gutter.  Nobody was buying SUV`s.

Why would the plant have stayed open?  Did Ryan want them to continue to make SUV`s that nobody was going to buy?


GM realized nobody was buying their SUV`s so they decided to cut many production models.  If nobody is buying, you change your product.  Why would they need the plant if they were no longer going make SUV`s?


What part of Obama's promise TO LEAD AN EFFORT TO RETOOL THE FACTORY did you miss? 

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« Reply #74 on: August 30, 2012, 11:07:56 AM »

What part of Obama's promise TO LEAD AN EFFORT TO RETOOL THE FACTORY did you miss? 
???

Correct me if I`m wrong but it was Ryan who flew to the plant, held private meetings with GM, discussing what he could do for them with the Bailout Money, then voting for the Bailout, promised them he would keep it open and really failed big time?

I take it you support this.  ???