Well that makes me happy to hear about orals because I always feel like shit when I take them. So I guess instead of doing some insane bulking cycle with high doses of testosterone and decca and maybe dbol to kick start it. I should just do a cycle of testosterone at somewhat high dosage like 700mgs a week but not go into the crazy gram plus zone. And just add some hgh. What do you think a good dosage for starting out with hgh is that will give good gains but not make my feet and cranium grow. And how long must it be ran I always hear to run it for at least 6 months. A lot of the stuff you say is pretty interesting to read. I like your views on the whole scene because you seem to have a risk to reward ratio that is pretty smart and accurate. I mean It is fun to read some times for entertainment some of those crazy cycles that are recommended to people by random members. But in the end of it all are those people really advanced enough to be taking those dosages and are they even going to stick with the sport long enough for the long term side effects to be worth it.
One thing ive noticed is its easy to find information about all this online that works. But it is hard to find information that works for the amount of experience a user has. I mean there is always the base cycle to start with at 500mgs of test e a week. But than after that it pretty much just drops off into never never land and its a anything go's type of scenario. Also it is alarming at how many people give out information about all this stuff who just know it all on paper from reading about it but have never done a cycle. Or don't have any experience with what they are recommending. But from what I have gathered from what you have said it does sound like a hgh and test cycle would be a safer and more efficient cycle than some all out steroid based cycle with high dosages of multiple compounds. Lol maybe you never said safer I might have selective hearing but it seems safer to me. Would taking hgh cause a down regulation in my natural production to where I might be better off just using gear and use the hgh in a couple years what do you think.
I think using HGH is way safer then many of the steroids out there. The younger you are the most likley you already have a high natural testosterone level and you probably secrete a decent amount of HGH in your rem sleep. I would guess if you are 20-21 years old your natural testosterone level is probably on the higher side a normal level is 250ng-778ng most 21yr olds are probably hitting around- 700-800ng however if you started using a good quality testosterone product I have gotten my testosterone levels go up to around 2,500-3,000ng at times. Of course the higher your testosterone level the more muscle you are going to put on. Testosterone is what makes a man a man. more testosterone more man!. I think at your age a safe cycle would be to start at 250mg of some kind of test ester a week and taper up. see what you can get out of 250mg of some Test ester preferably Test E but any test ester will work. Test E is probably best because it is slower acting then if you don't get any side effects after a few weeks taper up to 500mg's a week then after a few more weeks try 750mg's a week.
HGH is the key. It does take a little time to get the full benefits of HGH. It also depends on the quality. I believe you would have better and faster results on serostim or genotropin then blue tops or any other well known chinese brand however price does become a factor so you might want to find a reliable chinese HGH. I would start at 4 IU's daily as a first timer and same with the test slowly taper up. after a few weeks if you don't notice any side effects bump it up 2Iu's every few weeks. I would use as much HGH as you can handle without side-effects. But do it over a slow period of time! always taper up slowly. It can take months to get the full benefits of HGH.
You can use HGH without insulin but there are alot of people who like the synergistic effect HGH and insulin produces. I say do whatever you are comfortable doing but to get the best benefits out of HGH it is best to stack it with insulin and some testosterone ester. I think alot of people expect to much out of HGH and are dissapointed when they try HGH. These people either got a bad batch of HGH,did not use it long enough, or were in no way HGH deficient, or they didn't stack it with insulin or Testosterone.
I have used just HGH solo before(serostim) and I was only using 4 IU's a day and I still got some gains from it. I have also used HGH with insulin and testosterone and I did get alot more out of the drug stack. they all seemed to have a synergistic effect when used together. way better pumps,faster healing time, and way more lean muscle gains that were not watery.
Oral steroids def work if they are legit. The only problem is the gains are very temporary. Most users will not get permanent muscle gains from taking orals,but if you want to get jacked up fast orals will def do the trick. It dosn't hurt much to use Test,HGH, and a little anadrol or dbol to jumpstart just don't use the orals longer then a month however their are pro bodybuilders who just have great genetics who can use dbol or anadrol or sometimes both right up to show day. These are guys who know their bodys real well and don't hold as much water on these drugs or just have better luck killing the water retention with anchileries and diuretics.