Author Topic: At What Age Do Men and Women Outgrow Libertarianism? (Read 9144 times)

Parker · « **Reply #26 on:** August 03, 2013, 06:36:37 PM »

Quote from: P.I.P on August 03, 2013, 06:33:05 PM

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you know what the funny thing about the Internet is? With all the information, misinformation people are seemingly more ignorant (arrogantly ignorant) and misinformed than ever before. And the media plays upon this...

Roger Bacon · « **Reply #27 on:** August 03, 2013, 06:53:24 PM »

Quote from: Parker on August 03, 2013, 06:36:37 PM

you know what the funny thing about the Internet is? With all the information, misinformation people are seemingly more ignorant (arrogantly ignorant) and misinformed than ever before. And the media plays upon this...

I think those who were already ignorant may be worse off with internet access, but I'm not sure more people are overall.

Griffith · « **Reply #28 on:** August 04, 2013, 04:32:47 AM »

I'm a Libertarian

Roger Bacon · « **Reply #29 on:** August 04, 2013, 05:05:36 PM »

Quote from: galeniko on August 04, 2013, 04:50:38 AM

its just as much a pipe dream as communism is.

you know he "real" communism" thats supposed to be established by means of socialism.where did that lead to state monoply capitalism.

its jst too ridiculous to even think about them, they both are just pipe dreams.

also, theres no best system, and rebooting or restarting wont work, cuba tries bit capitalism now, and it dont work so well for them.

all ppl can do is work and modyfy the current system as good as possible.

She would have been a fool not to take what was being offered anyway. Governmental manipulation, constantly overstepping their bounds is what caused the treatment she needed to be unaffordable in the first place. Should she have taken a stand (that wouldn't have made a damn bit of difference) and died because of it?

Doesn't mean she's not right. I'm against the continued devaluation and manipulation of our currency, doesn't mean I'm going to shoot myself in the foot and trade in my US Dollars.

The point is, government meddling is the reason we really need social safety nets in the first place. Imagine all that private charities could accomplish with the funds we throw away on Obama phones alone. On top of that, most libertarians are realistic, and don't take a hardline stance against all "safety nets".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloward%E2%80%93Piven_strategy

syntaxmachine · « **Reply #30 on:** August 08, 2013, 10:28:17 AM »

If we just starved the huge evil beast (USG), got it out of the picture, and let private corporate interests dictate economic policy even further than they already do, everything would be OK.

Monstrous beast is monstrous

Evil government forcing "employers" to profit, everything is gov fault Ron told me so

Griffith · « **Reply #31 on:** August 09, 2013, 02:15:57 AM »

Most Libertarians I've spoken to aren't absolute in their beliefs and are realistic and just want less government intervention and more personal freedom without replacing the entire system.

Roger Bacon · « **Reply #32 on:** August 16, 2013, 08:02:38 PM »

WATCH: Wikileaks founder Julian Assange praises young libertarians

Roger Bacon · « **Reply #33 on:** August 29, 2013, 06:47:02 PM »

Jack Hunter-

"Every story I read attacking libertarian-conservatism, libertarian-Republicanism, libertarian-populism, left-libertarianism or any other liberty subset, simply reminds me that we're making a dent. Few would attack otherwise."

The Ugly · « **Reply #34 on:** August 29, 2013, 08:49:21 PM »

Fiscally conservative, socially liberal, what's not to like?

shootfighter1 · « **Reply #35 on:** August 30, 2013, 07:26:18 AM »

We need more libertarian thinking in the US. The government is larger and more intrusive then ever, wanting to parent us and getting involved in military strikes/wars that we shouldn't be involved in. We should learn from our US forefathers.

shootfighter1 · « **Reply #36 on:** August 30, 2013, 11:03:08 AM »

You're thinking of extreme libertarians...just like the extremes of any party, it gets wacky.

Roger Bacon · « **Reply #37 on:** August 30, 2013, 01:35:55 PM »

Quote from: galeniko on August 30, 2013, 10:16:25 AM

whats their representative stance on syria intervention?

The Tea Party isn't Libertarian, all though they might think they are. They're mostly probably religious lunatics and big government neoconservatives like Sean Hannity.

Libertarians are overwhelmingly opposed to intervention in Syria. What are your thoughts on intervening galeniko?

Why are you so pro-centralized government?

The Ugly · « **Reply #38 on:** August 30, 2013, 02:17:13 PM »

Quote from: Roger Bacon on August 30, 2013, 01:35:55 PM

The Tea Party isn't Libertarian, all though they might think they are. They're mostly probably religious lunatics and big government neoconservatives like Sean Hannity.

Libertarians are overwhelmingly opposed to intervention in Syria. What are your thoughts on intervening galeniko?

Why are you so pro-centralized government?

Yeah, Tea Party are too religious for the Libertarians, they don't mix on social issues. Also, L tend to be more isolationist militarily, which I don't think flies with the TP.

Roger Bacon · « **Reply #39 on:** August 30, 2013, 03:22:11 PM »

Quote from: The Ugly on August 30, 2013, 02:17:13 PM

Yeah, Tea Party are too religious for the Libertarians, they don't mix on social issues. Also, L tend to be more isolationist militarily, which I don't think flies with the TP.

Yes!!

I think most Libertarians are generally realistic too though, and realize that threats to our country or allies have to be taken care of.

They just have no interest in waging war for natural resources and strategic positioning on behalf of other countries.

Voice of Doom · « **Reply #40 on:** August 30, 2013, 05:15:23 PM »

The only true government is self-government. Everything else is force.

Voice of Doom · « **Reply #41 on:** August 31, 2013, 01:52:15 PM »

Quote from: galeniko on August 30, 2013, 05:30:28 PM

so, no police force or army?

whod make sure everyone has clean water?

uhm,banks?no govt supervision?

the law, would it exist?in what form?

You cannot have a police state without police. Why is it my business that everyone has clean water...rather a man should clean his water because it's in his best interest to prosper not because a bureaucrat or religious cleric dictates theft and force of my property for their moral vision.

I understand that freedom is scary and most, like yourself, obviously are not ready for it...probably because you're not American.

In the meantime however, keep your taxes off my property.

Griffith · « **Reply #42 on:** August 31, 2013, 03:02:13 PM »

Quote from: galeniko on August 30, 2013, 05:30:28 PM

so, no police force or army?

whod make sure everyone has clean water?

uhm,banks?no govt supervision?

the law, would it exist?in what form?

Libertarians are not Anarchists.

They believe in having a state, with an army, police etc

mr.turbo · « **Reply #43 on:** August 31, 2013, 03:59:37 PM »

hey OP! stop being such a freedom hater!

Roger Bacon · « **Reply #44 on:** September 01, 2013, 02:45:19 PM »

Gay Rights: A Libertarian Approach

Ralph Raico - 1975

The Libertarian Party was decades ahead of the pack on gay rights. In this essay, Ralph Raico examines the libertarian case for gay rights and describes how that case was expressed in the Party’s positions.

The object of this essay is to assert one very simple principle as entitled to govern absolutely the dealings of society with the individual in the way of compulsion and control… . The principle is that the sole end for which mankind are warranted, individually or collectively, in interfering with the liberty of action of any of their number is self-protection… . His own good, either physical or moral, is not a sufficient warrant… . Over himself, over his own body and mind, the individual is sovereign.

Read more: http://www.libertarianism.org/publications/essays/gay-rights-libertarian-approach

rachaelsnav · « **Reply #45 on:** October 30, 2013, 11:54:41 AM »

Libertarians just want the federal government to follow the constitution i.e. National Defense and Interstate Commerce and leave everything else alone. If a state or a town wants to have Welfare system a department of education or anything else and their own charter/constitution allows it and the people vote for it then feel free, but I dont need a bunch of people who have nothing to do with me (congress) telling me how to live.

oldtimer1 · « **Reply #46 on:** October 30, 2013, 02:50:30 PM »

Quote from: Soul Crusher on July 09, 2013, 08:21:31 AM

As opposed to what?

If anything - I find as I get older the typical left vs right thing no longer applies.

For me its freedom of the individual to pursue his desires and be left the fuck alone to the greatest extent possible vs. the collectivist idealogy of grouping everyone together and having shared rights obligations etc.

That could be the definition of a right Conservative when you said, "For me its freedom of the individual to pursue his desires and be left the fuck alone to the greatest extent possible."

The Showstoppa · « **Reply #47 on:** October 30, 2013, 02:51:42 PM »

Quote from: oldtimer1 on October 30, 2013, 02:50:30 PM

That could be the definition of a right Conservative when you said, "For me its freedom of the individual to pursue his desires and be left the fuck alone to the greatest extent possible."

Too bad the republicans in DC have sold us out.

Thin Lizzy · « **Reply #48 on:** October 30, 2013, 03:41:41 PM »

The reason why the endless money printing and stimulus hasn't spurred the sought after economic growth can be found in this Mises quote:

“There is no means of avoiding the final collapse of a boom brought about by credit expansion. The alternative is only whether the crisis should come sooner as the result of a voluntary abandonment of further credit expansion or later as a final and total catastrophe of the currency system involved.”

Mr. MB · « **Reply #49 on:** October 30, 2013, 04:34:23 PM »

Quote from: Griffith on August 09, 2013, 02:15:57 AM

Most Libertarians I've spoken to aren't absolute in their beliefs and are realistic and just want less government intervention and more personal freedom without replacing the entire system.

This.

I was liberal as a youth, became a moderate Repub at 30, conservative when Ronnie became Pres, then an Independant at 60; followed by my awakening at 70 and registered Libertarian.

No "outgrow here" more like enlightenment.