WE have seen countless ex pro's with some or almost all resemblance to there former selves labrada,milos,,gaspari,yates.benfatto,some who look great for there age and considering they were biggest or best at there era are at least in 'shape'leverone/haney/demey/due to not training like there peak but still..then we have s ray who had one of the best builds,full ,balanced,conditioned,peak 13 yrs and now show's none of that great look or build or even 'clean'version could be small but ripped /shredded but he doesn't.don't get it.