Transgender homecoming queen..

[calfzilla]

You pay for it. Spin doctor.

I happily pay for poor children to participate in sports.



And I was mostly just rolling in that post. 

[avxo]

Sorry dude, but I have contracts with two public schools, one in LA county, one in Orange County and I'm an on staff coach at another. Even though we are considered outside contractors, we have to go through the same procedures as a teacher or team coach. Employment application Live scan, physical (DOT physical thats make NO sense) blood test, CPR (and even though I have a current one I was still forced to take their CPR classes). This was for ONE district. I have to do this for each district I coach in.

Every piece of paper I filled out had an ACLU stamp on it. I get complaints from teachers and coaches that there are certain things they can't do because of ACLU restrictions unless they go through the red tape. If an athlete can't afford to play the sport of their choice, the other parents have to distribute the costs so that player can be on a team, these are rules set by the ACLU. The average cost for each football player for example, is $14-1600 PER player. my son's school for baseball is between $2-3000 per player per season.  

I don't think you understand. The ACLU doesn't run the system. If what you say is true (and I suspect that you're leaving things out) then what happened is the school reached a private agreement with the ACLU to avoid some lawsuit.

And I find it extremely unlikely that the ACLU would be responsible for the kind of situation you describe.

[avxo]

The ACLU defends NAMBLA. What more needs to be said?

All the stuff you left out? The ACLU represented NAMBLA in a civil suit alleging that NAMBLA's literature incited violence and resulted in the death of the Curley's son. That doesn't mean they agree with those positions – which are vile – or that they espouse them.

[Wiggs]

I can't wait till Christ returns to destroy this sinful disgusting planet. It needs it.

[arce1988]

 

[The Ugly]

I can't wait till Christ returns to destroy this sinful disgusting planet. It needs it.

I wouldn't hold my breath.

[Kwon_2]

Thought it said Transgender Homoqueen first

[Wiggs]

I wouldn't hold my breath.

You have no idea how foolish you are. It's incomprehensible.

[The Ugly]

You have no idea how foolish you are. It's incomprehensible.

I think you're going to be disappointed.

[Wiggs]

I think you're going to be disappointed.

My disappointment would mean, I'm just dead. Yours will be eternal damnation in a lake of fire. You may want to rethink your position. Especially since all yours is based on theory and no hard facts. And mine, the Bible continues to be proven true.

[Tapeworm]

I don't get it either, however is that a prerequisite? The science is pretty conclusive that there are fundamental wiring differences in the brain between males and females – differences that form during gestation.

The processes that guide the construction and the wiring are fairly delicate and can be thrown off by a whole host of factors, from gene transpositions, deletions, transcription errors, alcohol, drugs, etc. Some people even claim that music can influence the process, which spawned a huge industry of people selling Mozart and Beethoven music to pregnant women.

So, is it not possible that through some fuckup during gestation a fetus develops a body that doesn't match the brain's wiring?

As I said, I don't get it – but I don't have to. I can imagine what it must be wake up with a body that doesn't match my "mental" blueprint. And I am convinced it wouldn't be a fun thing or something that could be solved by looking at what is between my legs.

You are over–simplifying and equating gender and sex.

Maybe so.  Not being a neurologist, I can't say for sure but I'm guessing that like most things there's a continuum between polar extremes when it comes to brain chemistry, with most of us somewhere in between.  It just doesn't seem like a gender identifier compelling enough to override genital development and all that follows from it (endocrine systems, secondary characteristics).

I don't even see the connection between a guy's brain that shows similarities in operation to many female brains and that guy coming to believe he shouldn't have a dick.  Differences in congnitive processes wouldn't lead to that conclusion.  "I'm not me" doesn't follow from any mental process.  Of course you're you.  Who else would you be?  Imo what would lead to that conclusion is a general identity crisis of the purely psychological variety.

Lets leave hermaphrodidic 1/10,000,000 newborn occurences to the side, guys.  I'll grant there's a real question of gender there on the same basis that a fully formed male is a male.  Address the issue of physically normal people seeking to switch genders and leave the hermaphrodites alone.  As if they don't have a hard enough time already, the poor bastards.  I couldn't hotlink that Python clip but that's it in a nutshell.  I'm not trying to oppress anyone.  I just see it as claiming water isn't wet.  Regardless of your feelings on the matter, it is.

So don't get me wrong, I don't begrudge anyone the right to do whatever they want so long as they don't affect my bank balance.  If a guy is happier living as woman then by all means, dude.  Surgeries, hormones, etc, I find it kind of sad but it's not up to anyone but the individual.  I'm about as liberal as they come but when someone obviously male tells me he's actually female?  Not from where I'm standing, so buy your own drinks, buddy.

[The Ugly]

My disappointment would mean, I'm just dead. Yours will be eternal damnation in a lake of fire. You may want to think your position. Especially since all yours is based on theory and no hard facts. And mine, the people continues to be proven true.

I haven't seen a whole lot that's been proven true, Wiggs. I think science is on my side. Guess I'll take my chances, though. Can't pretend to believe when your heart just ain't in it. If I'm wrong, I'll send you a postcard from hell.

[Papper]

Homocoming?

 

[avxo]

Maybe so.  Not being a neurologist, I can't say for sure but I'm guessing that like most things there's a continuum between polar extremes when it comes to brain chemistry, with most of us somewhere in between.  It just doesn't seem like a gender identifier compelling enough to override genital development and all that follows from it (endocrine systems, secondary characteristics).

I don't even see the connection between a guy's brain that shows similarities in operation to many female brains and that guy coming to believe he shouldn't have a dick.  Differences in congnitive processes wouldn't lead to that conclusion.  "I'm not me" doesn't follow from any mental process.  Of course you're you.  Who else would you be?  Imo what would lead to that conclusion is a general identity crisis of the purely psychological variety.

Lets leave hermaphrodidic 1/10,000,000 newborn occurences to the side, guys.  I'll grant there's a real question of gender there on the same basis that a fully formed male is a male.  Address the issue of physically normal people seeking to switch genders and leave the hermaphrodites alone.  As if they don't have a hard enough time already, the poor bastards.  I couldn't hotlink that Python clip but that's it in a nutshell.  I'm not trying to oppress anyone.  I just see it as claiming water isn't wet.  Regardless of your feelings on the matter, it is.

So don't get me wrong, I don't begrudge anyone the right to do whatever they want so long as they don't affect my bank balance.  If a guy is happier living as woman then by all means, dude.  Surgeries, hormones, etc, I find it kind of sad but it's not up to anyone but the individual.  I'm about as liberal as they come but when someone obviously male tells me he's actually female?  Not from where I'm standing, so buy your own drinks, buddy.

Haha But us getbiggers don't buy ladies drinks anyways. It's enough that we let them bask in our glow. No?

[38-26-40]

Quote: "The tradition of Homecoming has its origins in alumni football games held at colleges and universities since the mid-1800s." End quote!

Why take any tradition and change it? It shouldn't be allowed to break traditions! They've lasted this long for a reason because they've been done right. Why ruin it?

If the transgenders and all the "others" wanted to get involved, then they should've started their own tradition, their way, in their own category. Not the one of a GIRL crowned Queen and a BOY crowned King!

Thank you! lol

[DroppingPlates]

Quote: "The tradition of Homecoming has its origins in alumni football games held at colleges and universities since the mid-1800s." End quote!

Why take any tradition and change it? It shouldn't be allowed to break traditions! They've lasted this long for a reason because they've been done right. Why ruin it?

If the transgenders and all the "others" wanted to get involved, then they should've started their own tradition, their way, in their own category. Not the one of a GIRL crowned Queen and a BOY crowned King!

Thank you! lol

"The only thing constant in life is change"  François de la Rochefoucauld
Deal with it

[calfzilla]

Lot of people threatened by a girl with a cock in this thread.

[syntaxmachine]

Why take any tradition and change it? It shouldn't be allowed to break traditions! They've lasted this long for a reason because they've been done right. Why ruin it?

Exactly. The long-standing traditions of rampant xenophobia, racism, slavery (still extant in some form or other in certain parts of the world), abusing women, and accepting folk theories as given (folk religion, folk physics, and the like) are obviously the best ways to conceptualize our place in the world and relations with one another...because they are long-standing. End of story.

[38-26-40]

"The only thing constant in life is change"  François de la Rochefoucauld
Deal with it

...ya I agree, but only of the inevitable.

When a "tradition" is started, it's continued the way it started. If one doesn't agree with it, they should start their own. If no one wants to continue it, they can all stop it. But to CHANGE it? No!

  just my opinion. Not trying to offend anyone or have anyone agree.

[avxo]

Quote: "The tradition of Homecoming has its origins in alumni football games held at colleges and universities since the mid-1800s." End quote!

You know that the "quote/end quote" thing is something you only use in spoken English right? The written equivalent is... wait for it... enclosing the thing you want quote in double quotes, which you did.

Why take any tradition and change it? It shouldn't be allowed to break traditions! They've lasted this long for a reason because they've been done right. Why ruin it?

It shouldn't be allowed? Wow... Because traditions like female circumcision should never change. Because traditions like slavery should never change. Because traditions like sacrificing humans to please deities should never change. I could go on... but I trust the point is made. And that point is yeah, let's never change traditions.

Seriously, what the fuck is wrong with you?

If the transgenders and all the "others" wanted to get involved, then they should've started their own tradition, their way, in their own category. Not the one of a GIRL crowned Queen and a BOY crowned King!

So let me see if I have this straight. You believe that an individual whose government issued identification states "FEMALE" as her gender should not be eligible for Homecoming Queen, because she was born a boy?

Tell me, how do you plan on ensuring that nobody with XY chromosomes sneaks by and usurps the thrones across the land? Are you going to require a blood test or would you be satisfied with a physical examination?

Seriously, what the fuck is wrong with all you people who are freaking out over a teenager with XY chromosomes getting elected Homecoming Queen by her classmates? You do realize that the title is meanigless and she doesn't get to rule. Right?

Are you just afraid the ghey will rub off on you or something?

[DroppingPlates]

...ya I agree, but only of the inevitable.

When a "tradition" is started, it's continued the way it started. If one doesn't agree with it, they should start their own. If no one wants to continue it, they can all stop it. But to CHANGE it? No!

  just my opinion. Not trying to offend anyone or have anyone agree.

You're free to offend anyone here, that's Getbig tradition.

I understand your conservative view on things, but everything changes, very slowly most of the time, but sometimes drastically. You may not agree with everything, but that's how reality goes and you better have peace with that if you care about your health...

[JBGRAY]

 you implied it coach.

And there is something in the constitution about separation of church and state; not tranny and state.

Nowhere in the Constitution does it state there is a separation of church and state. Nor is it implicitly implied, outside of Case Law.

[Griffith]

I don't get it either, however is that a prerequisite? The science is pretty conclusive that there are fundamental wiring differences in the brain between males and females – differences that form during gestation.

The processes that guide the construction and the wiring are fairly delicate and can be thrown off by a whole host of factors, from gene transpositions, deletions, transcription errors, alcohol, drugs, etc. Some people even claim that music can influence the process, which spawned a huge industry of people selling Mozart and Beethoven music to pregnant women.

So, is it not possible that through some fuckup during gestation a fetus develops a body that doesn't match the brain's wiring?

As I said, I don't get it – but I don't have to. I can imagine what it must be wake up with a body that doesn't match my "mental" blueprint. And I am convinced it wouldn't be a fun thing or something that could be solved by looking at what is between my legs.

You are over–simplifying and equating gender and sex.

Or just personal choice.

That they prefer or want to live as a woman.

I say this as some people in this thread imply that there is something 'wrong' with them.

[_bruce_]

ACLU % Co. needs to be dropped into the next volcano. All do gooders are leeches on a host system. Only good thing is when the host dies the various parasites are done too.

[Parker]

What if the scenario was put like this:
"Billy is a kid who in HS feels that he should be a woman, and feels that he should be able to participate in Homecoming queen. And if he doesn't win, then that means he was descriminated against."

"Susan is a 5'2 115 pound female who wants to be a man and also who wants to play on the HS vasity football team. This team is the defending state champs. She wants to be a running back. If she doesn't make the cut, and starts, it means that she was descriminated against."

All of these scenarios have "traditions". Traditionally the Homecoming Queen is a woman. A woman period. Not a male who wants to be a woman, or a male who is in transition to be a woman. Let us not damn women for being women. Let us not punish women for having a leg up on men who want to be them

Traditionally men's football is played by men. Yes, there are examples of girls playing men's football. But, what if a 5'2 115 pound girl wanted to be RB for the State's defending champs? And this team already has a first string all the way to 3rd string which are very capable. And of course, being an RB is a physically demanding position. No 5'2 115 pound man would want or be selected for said position.
So, should these young men on the football team be damned because a girl wants that position, and doesn't get it? Should the football team be held responsible if said girl gets the position, due to not wanting to offend her, and when she gets injured?

In Brazil, transvestites have their own Carnival parade. So therefore it doesn't infringe on the "traditional" and or mainstream one...which had to fight to recognized in the first place.

In the US we have the WNBA, where women can play basketball. And there is a female football league and also a Lingerie League, where the women are damn quick and talented as hell.
If the young boy in transition wanted to be homecoming queen, maybe he should have asked for a new position to be made. Therefore he is not infringing on the other positions. Problem solved.