Federal Judge: Mt. Soledad Cross Must Come Down

[blacken700]

You still haven't answered the question. How does patiently waiting for a court ruling for 20+ years an example of religious extremism.

And how would you feel about a war memorial with a great big Muslim crescent & star atop?

How do you feel about the US Constitution? Should it be adhered to or not?

they like to bring up the constitution as long as it's for them 

[dario73]

You got me. I don't want to mess with an elite true believer like yourself. How long before u join the "Father" in his heavenly kingdom?

"For the Son of man is as a man taking a far journey, who left his house, and gave authority to his servants, and to every man his work, and commanded the porter to watch . Watch ye therefore: for ye know not when the master of the house cometh , at even, or at midnight, or at the cockcrowing, or in the morning"

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I have noticed that you repeat crap that everyone already knows. Decline of Christianity in "Eurpope" has been known for years. Nothing new.

Western "Eurpope"? You actually think that Christianity began there? Do you know the first place where people were called Christians? It wasn't in western "Eurpope". You also might be confusing catholicism and Christianity.

The founder of the Christian church was very clear in teaching that Christianity was not going to be defined by a certain place or temple. So "dying where it started" is a non-factor when it comes to Christianity. It's founder also understood and thought, that while the will of his Father was for everyone to be saved,  most people were not going to follow his teachings. Christianity is not about a certain place or even a certain group of people. It is a way of life based on a relationship with Jesuschrist. "MANY are called, but FEW ARE CHOSEN". Jesus only sought true believers wherever they may be.

You have delved into an area that I can see you have no knowledge of.

Jesus was anti-capitalist, liberal communist. You realize this?

"If a man shuts his ears to the cry of the poor, he too will cry out and not be answered."
-Proverbs 21:13

"Speak up for those who cannot speak for themselves, for the rights of all who are destitute. Speak up and judge fairly; defend the rights of the poor and needy."
-Proverbs 31:8-9

"No one can serve two masters. Either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and Money."
-Matthew 6:24
"Then Jesus said to his disciples, 'I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.'"
-Matthew 19:23-24


Do you know why he makes these statements? becuase he is right. This is it, this is the life you get, the only one as we know. It's pointless but purposeful if you make it. Jesus was all about helping others, even at a cost to himself, his life even. You pale in comparison to his example and frankly I see very few christians who actually follow the bible.

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Jesus was anti-capitalist, liberal communist. You realize this?

"If a man shuts his ears to the cry of the poor, he too will cry out and not be answered."
-Proverbs 21:13

"Rich" people on the right give far more to the poor than the left every will.

"Speak up for those who cannot speak for themselves, for the rights of all who are destitute. Speak up and judge fairly; defend the rights of the poor and needy."
-Proverbs 31:8-9

We do, that's why we give more not only personally but through other charitable organizations and Churches.

"No one can serve two masters. Either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and Money."
-Matthew 6:24

Most "rich" people are wise with their money and thanks God for what have and the wisdom to get it.

"Then Jesus said to his disciples, 'I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.'"
-Matthew 19:23-24

Sounds like he's speaking of greed, no? Are you saying "rich" people are greedy?


Do you know why he makes these statements? becuase he is right. This is it, this is the life you get, the only one as we know. It's pointless but purposeful if you make it. Jesus was all about helping others, even at a cost to himself, his life even. You pale in comparison to his example and frankly I see very few christians who actually follow the bible.

Sooo, you're taking from what the scripture you posted as Jesus being a liberal/communist and anti-capitalist?? Hahahahahahaha!

What does he say about the government stealing and lining their own pockets from the American people? I'm talking about the rich, middle class and yes..the poor!

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Sooo, you're taking from what the scripture you posted as Jesus being a liberal/communist and anti-capitalist?? Hahahahahahaha!

He was, how isn't that apparent. Dude gave out free healthcare, spread the wealth around and clearly dislike the rich and glutonous. Greed is a deadly sin moron, probably called deadly because you master doesn't view it favorable.

What does he say about the government stealing and lining their own pockets from the American people? I'm talking about the rich, middle class and yes..the poor!

Ah, corruption. Still don't get your point hypocrite.

[Coach is Back!]

BTW, you're a doctor. Feel free to inflate that number above and beyond what you would normally send in for your taxes. While your at it, tell your CPA to leave out any deductions that you have and you want to pay full boat because you're just charitable that way and want to help others. Put them before your family....right?

[Coach is Back!]

You don't get my point that the government is stealing from us? $100mil vacations anyone?

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"He was, how isn't that apparent. Dude gave out free healthcare, spread the wealth around and clearly dislike the rich and glutonous. Greed is a deadly sin moron, probably called deadly because you master doesn't view it favorable".


Are you mentally Ill? Go ahead and give away your services, incur costs then try to pay them.

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BTW, you're a doctor. Feel free to inflate that number above and beyond what you would normally send in for your taxes. While your at it, tell your CPA to leave out any deductions that you have and you want to pay full boat because you're just charitable that way and want to help others. Put them before your family....right?

Yes, exactly, this is what jesus would teach, imagine if everyone was like that? it wouldn't matter because there's enough wealth to go around many times over, if the human experience is primal and money epiphenomenal then the world would be much better. Unfortunately, humans, me included, a greedy girls. Selfish genes are to blame.

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You don't get my point that the government is stealing from us? $100mil vacations anyone?

I get it, they are, corrupt.

Still, if jesus were alive he would probably hunger strike or risk death to prove his point.

If you thing Jesus was smart (meh) then you should follow his teachings. He literally says to give up all your possessions. Possessions are meaningless, as are all things in eternity I suppose.

[Dos Equis]

You still haven't answered the question. How does patiently waiting for a court ruling for 20+ years an example of religious extremism.

And how would you feel about a war memorial with a great big Muslim crescent & star atop?

How do you feel about the US Constitution? Should it be adhered to or not?

An example of a paranoid anti-religious extremist is someone running around the country looking for Christian symbols on public property and filing lawsuits about them.  Or threatening to shoot Christians who show up at your door.  Or trying to force religion underground. 

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"He was, how isn't that apparent. Dude gave out free healthcare, spread the wealth around and clearly dislike the rich and glutonous. Greed is a deadly sin moron, probably called deadly because you master doesn't view it favorable".


Are you mentally Ill? Go ahead and give away your services, incur costs then try to pay them.

You are to stupid to understand Jesus, no suprise here. Listen you incredible moron, jesus meant everyone spread the wealth, everyone help, everyone give it away. Also, your conviction in your faith is distrubing. You just read what I did, yet you seem to value this life more then the next (hell according to this) which is out of line with the bible. If this life is simply a test you are failing, you are racist, bigotted, greedy, gullable, ignorant and most of all lacking character (see twenty six wives).

Now on to the second point, your response indicates that you are unaware that I was using scripture to point out your hypocrisy. I am an atheist sir, I am allowed to be hypocritical, I do not beleive in un ending charity, I don't believe in turning the other cheek, I don't believe in loving thy neighbor or enemy so shit or get off the pot asshole, are you a christian or just another fucking weekend warrior who thinks it will "all just be ok".

Joe, jesus is a pussy also. Last time he was here we raped him, strung him up like like starfish and let him bleed out. Bitch hasn't been back since, he has hinted though, usually when something obvious like the end of every decade but that ass whoopin he got makes him think twice. Round two bitch.

[Dos Equis]

You are to stupid to understand Jesus, no suprise here. Listen you incredible moron, jesus meant everyone spread the wealth, everyone help, everyone give it away. Also, your conviction in your faith is distrubing. You just read what I did, yet you seem to value this life more then the next (hell according to this) which is out of line with the bible. If this life is simply a test you are failing, you are racist, bigotted, greedy, gullable, ignorant and most of all lacking character (see twenty six wives).

Now on to the second point, your response indicates that you are unaware that I was using scripture to point out your hypocrisy. I am an atheist sir, I am allowed to be hypocritical, I do not beleive in un ending charity, I don't believe in turning the other cheek, I don't believe in loving thy neighbor or enemy so shit or get off the pot asshole, are you a christian or just another fucking weekend warrior who thinks it will "all just be ok".

Joe, jesus is a pussy also. Last time he was here we raped him, strung him up like like starfish and let him bleed out. Bitch hasn't been back since, he has hinted though, usually when something obvious like the end of every decade but that ass whoopin he got makes him think twice. Round two bitch.

Jesus said nothing about socialism.  He talked about charity.  Not even remotely similar. 

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Jesus said nothing about socialism.  He talked about charity.  Not even remotely similar. 

ya a co-operative system where the resources and means of production are shared wouldn't be what jesus would want. He would want a capitalistic society.

Tell me, what do you think jesus would be a right leaning person, left leaning? 

[Dos Equis]

ya a co-operative system where the resources and means of production are shared wouldn't be what jesus would want. He would want a capitalistic society.

Tell me, what do you think jesus would be a right leaning person, left leaning? 

Neither.  I doubt he would belong to a political party or prop up one party or ideology over another. 

But the fact is he never promoted socialism, as you claim.  He promoted private charity.  He said absolutely nothing about using the government to force people, under penalty of prison, to "spread the wealth around."

And as it turns out, conservatives give more than liberals.  Imagine that. 

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Neither.  I doubt he would belong to a political party or prop up one party or ideology over another. 

But the fact is he never promoted socialism, as you claim.  He promoted private charity.  He said absolutely nothing about using the government to force people, under penalty of prison, to "spread the wealth around."

And as it turns out, conservatives give more than liberals.  Imagine that. 

I didn't say he promoted it, the term wasn't even fucking coined then. What I was inferring was that jesus based his life on communist/socialisitc principles, giving to the poor, condeming the rich (capitalis) etc.

You can play coy all you want, answer the question. He said to spread the wealth around, quite fucking clearly, maybe you need to re read your bible. I also like how you literally stick to the good book when it's self seving, he never explicitly stated anything about socialism, but hates gays right?

Source for your charitable claim? You go from stating jesus never have an ideology to charity being a right leaning principle, I assume suggesting jesus would be right leaning?

Can you make a guess or do you only abide by what is explicity written in the bible?

[Agnostic007]

You're misinterpreting what I'm saying. I'm saying Christianity IS NOT a religion.

Then you would argue Football is not a sport... If you want to change the accepted definition of "religion" to make it fit your notion, why stop there? Fire is NOT hot.... a Ford Mustang is NOT a car...   

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I didn't say he promoted it, the term wasn't even fucking coined then. What I was inferring was that jesus based his life on communist/socialisitc principles, giving to the poor, condeming the rich (capitalis) etc.

You can play coy all you want, answer the question. He said to spread the wealth around, quite fucking clearly, maybe you need to re read your bible. I also like how you literally stick to the good book when it's self seving, he never explicitly stated anything about socialism, but hates gays right?

Source for your charitable claim? You go from stating jesus never have an ideology to charity being a right leaning principle, I assume suggesting jesus would be right leaning?

Can you make a guess or do you only abide by what is explicity written in the bible?

you're confusing capitalism with consumerism and socialism with charity.  forced redistribution of wealth by government is NOT charity.  and jesus does not "condemn the rich".  he condemns the people who make money a priority over God.  there are rich people who do great things with their money.  there are poor people who do great things with their money. 

it's obvious you like to pick away at Christians interpretation of the bible. 

[Dos Equis]

I didn't say he promoted it, the term wasn't even fucking coined then. What I was inferring was that jesus based his life on communist/socialisitc principles, giving to the poor, condeming the rich (capitalis) etc.

You can play coy all you want, answer the question. He said to spread the wealth around, quite fucking clearly, maybe you need to re read your bible. I also like how you literally stick to the good book when it's self seving, he never explicitly stated anything about socialism, but hates gays right?

Source for your charitable claim? You go from stating jesus never have an ideology to charity being a right leaning principle, I assume suggesting jesus would be right leaning?

Can you make a guess or do you only abide by what is explicity written in the bible?

You're talking out of both sides of your mouth.  So Jesus didn't promote socialism, he just "based his life on communist/socialisitc principles, giving to the poor, condeming the rich (capitalis) etc."  lol   That's ridiculous.

Communism/socialism isn't about "giving to the poor," it's about taking from the haves, under threat of prison, and giving to the have nots.  It's where the government controls the private sector.  Jesus didn't say anything about communism or socialism, or communist/socialist "principles."  

Jesus didn't hate gays so not sure where that is coming from.  

You're pretty good at finding Bible verses, so I'll let you look up the ones where he talks about giving to the poor, or where he actually helps the poor, or where he recommends one rich guy give his money away, etc.  Not hard to find.  What you will not find is where he recommends that the government force people to take money or possessions from hard working folks to give to others.  

No, I don't think Jesus would be "right leaning."  I've already answered that question.  

My overall view of the Bible is there are commands, guidelines, and suggestions.  The commands overall are black and white.  Guidelines and suggestions are in a gray area.  For instance, the prohibition on murder is clear.  The comments by Solomon about alcohol are more of a suggestion IMO.  Same with dietary guidelines.   But none of it bothers me.  It's people like you who get their panties in a bunch over it.

And what always cracks me up is how much time people like you spend reading (cherry picking) a book you don't believe in and talking about an entity you don't believe exists.  It's comical.  

[Agnostic007]

"And what always cracks me up is how much time people like you spend reading (cherry picking) a book you don't believe in and talking about an entity you don't believe exists.  It's comical. "

I'd love to not talk about the bible ever again.. but.. when it is constantly shoved in non believers faces, over time you just say "what the hell" and start pushing back a little. I find I am much more knowledgeable about the very book believers claim was inspired by their gods, and contains direct qoutes from their god. Hell, the majority of believers in this country haven't even bothered to read their gods book cover to cover but want to tell me about it... now THAT'S comical   

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You're talking out of both sides of your mouth.  So Jesus didn't promote socialism, he just "based his life on communist/socialisitc principles, giving to the poor, condeming the rich (capitalis) etc."  lol   That's ridiculous.

Communism/socialism isn't about "giving to the poor," it's about taking from the haves, under threat of prison, and giving to the have nots.  It's where the government controls the private sector.  Jesus didn't say anything about communism or socialism, or communist/socialist "principles."  

Jesus didn't hate gays so not sure where that is coming from.  

You're pretty good at finding Bible verses, so I'll let you look up the ones where he talks about giving to the poor, or where he actually helps the poor, or where he recommends one rich guy give his money away, etc.  Not hard to find.  What you will not find is where he recommends that the government force people to take money or possessions from hard working folks to give to others.  

No, I don't think Jesus would be "right leaning."  I've already answered that question.  

My overall view of the Bible is there are commands, guidelines, and suggestions.  The commands overall are black and white.  Guidelines and suggestions are in a gray area.  For instance, the prohibition on murder is clear.  The comments by Solomon about alcohol are more of a suggestion IMO.  Same with dietary guidelines.   But none of it bothers me.  It's people like you who get their panties in a bunch over it.

And what always cracks me up is how much time people like you spend reading (cherry picking) a book you don't believe in and talking about an entity you don't believe exists.  It's comical.  

liberal media teaches these young media obsessed people that socialism IS about giving to the poor.  that's why he thinks that.  young impressionable, and not very well read people believe this bullshit.  

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You're talking out of both sides of your mouth.  So Jesus didn't promote socialism, he just "based his life on communist/socialisitc principles, giving to the poor, condeming the rich (capitalis) etc."  lol   That's ridiculous.
He didn't devote his life to others? expouse charity, condem the rich, the greedy, the opulent? he didn't see the poor as the most important. I am stating that socialism and communism have properties that jesus was fond of, that's all.

Communism/socialism isn't about "giving to the poor," it's about taking from the haves, under threat of prison, and giving to the have nots.  It's where the government controls the private sector.  Jesus didn't say anything about communism or socialism, or communist/socialist "principles."  
He didn't say anything about them, I have stated that, what you are doing is obfuscating the argument. Stop it will this non-sense, if the nuance is too much for you stop debating.

Jesus didn't hate gays so not sure where that is coming from.  

I didn't say that, read the sentence again and understand what I am implying.

You're pretty good at finding Bible verses, so I'll let you look up the ones where he talks about giving to the poor, or where he actually helps the poor, or where he recommends one rich guy give his money away, etc.  Not hard to find.  What you will not find is where he recommends that the government force people to take money or possessions from hard working folks to give to others.  

So you are basing your life on not what he said but what he didn't say and using your interpretation of the unspoken stuff to live your life, sounds cool.

No, I don't think Jesus would be "right leaning."  I've already answered that question.  
He wouldn' be, that much is clear, he was not for profit that is clear. However, do you actually think he exists? if so you don't seem to take his teachings very seriously

My overall view of the Bible is there are commands, guidelines, and suggestions.  The commands overall are black and white.  Guidelines and suggestions are in a gray area.  For instance, the prohibition on murder is clear.  The comments by Solomon about alcohol are more of a suggestion IMO.  Same with dietary guidelines.   But none of it bothers me.  It's people like you who get their panties in a bunch over it.

And what always cracks me up is how much time people like you spend reading (cherry picking) a book you don't believe in and talking about an entity you don't believe exists.  It's comical.  

A simpleton would find it amusing that someone like me is argues against the imaginary. It couldn't be because of the oppression it causes? child rape? etc...What cracks me up is that you live your life by a book written by sheep hearders yet can't seem to follow it. Relgion is evil and as hitch put it, poisons EVERYTHING. I am against not thinking, wether or not the source is real or not, the consequences certianly are.

People argue for ideas everyday, things that don't exist, ideas aren't harmless.

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You're talking out of both sides of your mouth.  So Jesus didn't promote socialism, he just "based his life on communist/socialisitc principles, giving to the poor, condeming the rich (capitalis) etc."  lol   That's ridiculous.

Communism/socialism isn't about "giving to the poor," it's about taking from the haves, under threat of prison, and giving to the have nots.  It's where the government controls the private sector.  Jesus didn't say anything about communism or socialism, or communist/socialist "principles."  

Jesus didn't hate gays so not sure where that is coming from.  

You're pretty good at finding Bible verses, so I'll let you look up the ones where he talks about giving to the poor, or where he actually helps the poor, or where he recommends one rich guy give his money away, etc.  Not hard to find.  What you will not find is where he recommends that the government force people to take money or possessions from hard working folks to give to others.  

No, I don't think Jesus would be "right leaning."  I've already answered that question.  

My overall view of the Bible is there are commands, guidelines, and suggestions.  The commands overall are black and white.  Guidelines and suggestions are in a gray area.  For instance, the prohibition on murder is clear.  The comments by Solomon about alcohol are more of a suggestion IMO.  Same with dietary guidelines.   But none of it bothers me.  It's people like you who get their panties in a bunch over it.
It wouldn't bother you, why would being a hypocrite, self seving girl be a problem to you? I get it, you piece together the parts you like and parts you don't and don't worry about the details.

And what always cracks me up is how much time people like you spend reading (cherry picking) a book you don't believe in and talking about an entity you don't believe exists.  It's comical.  

Also, I forgot to lulz at your description of communism, lol. Get your head out of your ass, you are indebted to a communist regime.

[Dos Equis]

you're confusing capitalism with consumerism and socialism with charity.  forced redistribution of wealth by government is NOT charity.  and jesus does not "condemn the rich".  he condemns the people who make money a priority over God.  there are rich people who do great things with their money.  there are poor people who do great things with their money. 

it's obvious you like to pick away at Christians interpretation of the bible. 

Exactly.

[Necrosis]

"And what always cracks me up is how much time people like you spend reading (cherry picking) a book you don't believe in and talking about an entity you don't believe exists.  It's comical. "

I'd love to not talk about the bible ever again.. but.. when it is constantly shoved in non believers faces, over time you just say "what the hell" and start pushing back a little. I find I am much more knowledgeable about the very book believers claim was inspired by their gods, and contains direct qoutes from their god. Hell, the majority of believers in this country haven't even bothered to read their gods book cover to cover but want to tell me about it... now THAT'S comical   

I push back because it's a failed hypothesis that does nothing but slow progression. It's poison.