geleniko bbuilding "career" temporarily over :-(

[Man of Steel]

Sounds like 2.5 months of recovery from surgery, figure another 2-3 of rehab.  So let's say come August you're back training and in 4-5 months you'll be right where you left off plus your shoulder will be fixed.   Won't be easy physically, but in terms of time it's nothin.....less than a year.

Chin up....all is good!

[The True Adonis]

I hope you get well soon Gal. Nobody should have to live in pain.

Unless you live in America and your health insurance either does not cover it or only partially does so which may be in most cases.

[wes]

Yes. Let's make sense of all this fancy medical jargon...

AC joint inflammation & arthritis as mentioned in what you wrote: "some arhtrosisbut big inflammation in "ac"joint, medium edema in extremitas acromialis claviculae"

This is simply arthritis developed at the joint that's found in between your clavicle and acromion.



Just from the AC joint arthritis alone, I could see you having many day-to-day pain issues as it causes localized inflammation and pain. Typically, the bone spurs at the distal end of the clavicle tend to look Moth-eaten when visualized by way of X-rays. This typically occurs in older individuals, as well as adamant weight-lifters due to prolonged wear and tear. You can live with this, but it tends to be painful and messes with your workouts. Physical therapy and Anti-Inflammatory drugs are the first line of action, followed by surgery is no progress is seen.

For this, they will most likely perform a distal clavicle excision (which will hopefully alleviate some of the AC joint arthritis that is causing you so much pain). They will literally file down the distal end of your clavicle.

Subacromial impingement as mentioned in what you wrote: "bent akromion"

I am assuming, as a few others have mentioned here that your acromion qualifies as a level III, which looks like this:



They will most likely provide you with a little subacromial decompression to tackle that "bent' acromion when they perform arthroscopic surgery of your shoulder.

Rotator-Cuff thickening as mentioned by what you wrote: "the rotator cuff in this area is EXTREMLY thickened and has a central and peritendinos edema,al the way to the infraspinatus tendon."

This is just a fancy term for inflammation that affects the four muscles and tendons that comprise the rotator cuff. Once they perform surgery, they will amplify the space between both the rotator cuff and acromion and this will alleviate both the pain and inflammation (thickening) that you are experiencing.

Synovial Cysts as mentioned by what you wrote: "several signal cysts in tuberculum majus humeri"

The synovial fluid is like lubricating fluid that sits in between joint of your shoulders. When there is an impingement, that causes the sheath (or synovium) that holds this fluid intact to bulge out, you are then left with a synovial cyst. Most are not a big deal, but when they press upon localized nerves, you can have some numbness in the region, which can be problematic. They will remove these cysts during your surgery.

Ultimately, it will suck for a couple of months after surgery, but with a little physical therapy, proper nutrition and attention to your body as your best indicator of pain, you should be fine.

"1"

Great post........really helped clear it up for this medically inept person.

[galeniko]

If you really start to become a nuisance and have a complete disregard for serious conversation when the topic matter emerges, it can lead to your removal.

Be cool and have fun with the forum, but when discussions like this arise, whereby others can learn from the experience of a member that is about to go through surgery for a condition that can happen to any of us, let the serious discussion continue without tarnishing it with bullshit posts.

There are thousands of other threads whereby fucking around is perfectly fine. Gal is here to ask for some general advice and to tell us about his experience.

"1"

if these 2 clowns would be banned at one strike(but "do" wolfox first haha)would be very proud if it was this thread "making it happen"

Sometimes shit like this is a blessing in disguise. Coming back from an injury can be very motivating and enjoyable. Reclaiming past glories and exceeding them is a very satisfying feeling.

Best of luck.

yeah thats the attitude.
the remembering the pains every time helps alot to have the proper attitude.ooking forward to real training agagin.

btw for chiro, hitting a rear double biceps was quite terrible too, the connection to the lat was like lost due to the numbness.

however,ill be happy if i can just train and live wo the pains even if the former glory remains unachieved.but reality should be much more jacked post recovery

Stay strong Galeniko.  I think you are going into this with the proper attitude and not letting it own you.  People have come back from a lot worse, so you probably don`t have much to worry about.

If I were you, I would minimize the usage of medication and pain pills as much as possible and deal with it.

yeah this medication thing must be done as smartly as possible.
no supplements.minimal painkillers.

[38-26-40]

Gal, when are you coming to LA so you can train me?

Get well soon!!!

[YngiweRhoads]

Sucks fella. Build a bubblebutt, some cows, and look forward to the rebound/muscle memory gains in time for summer...

This.

I've been laid up after surgery and this is what I did. Broken ribs and arm in a sling and I was still doing cardio/calf raises etc. Addiction Obsession is a wonderful thing.

[wes]

I had 4 broken ribs.......not fun at all.

When I was able to resume training,I exceeded all my previous lifts, and my previous best conditioning,and I was out quite a while.

Gal will be cool as long as he takes his time coming back and doesn`t get impatient and try to rush things.

[galeniko]

Gal, when are you coming to LA so you can run a train on me?

Get well soon!!!

well, now with the recovery time unavoidable,would be good time for some trssveling.good idea.


 

Sounds like 2.5 months of recovery from surgery, figure another 2-3 of rehab.  So let's say come August you're back training and in 4-5 months you'll be right where you left off plus your shoulder will be fixed.   Won't be easy physically, but in terms of time it's nothin.....less than a year.

Chin up....all is good!

hm i hope the rehb dont last so long and will be able to atlest train like now pist surgery.if i can train like now, all i need is 1 month to get in shape.
but yeah safety first.

uncle junior, yeah i tried the gh stuff for this purpose,it actuly helped some and made me much stronger in no time, but this in return led to more pains.and i dont like the other effects of gh, so yeah.

sounds very similiar, the pain is on,withing and outside that bone that sticks out.sounds exactly the same.

[King Shizzo]

This is an interesting question: Gal, is the surgery 100% a go?

If so, will you just relax and eat anything you want, or will you try to stay reasonably lean?

[OneMoreRep]

Keep this thread focused on its purpose.

Hijacking threads via posts will be removed.

Shit posts from gimmick accounts will be removed.

"1"

[snx]

ah cool.
hold on, does this mean no more heavy incline bench for me ever again?

def above horizontal is the epic pain zone.

you know that "pose" where you pull the traps out and flex the upper pecs a bit?or plainly most muscular crab?wow that hurts so much that it goes numb after few seconds.

we will se if this 3rd world shithole can treat this well.this gonna cost a fortune.3 days in hospital + rehab ,in the usa most would have to sell their house to fix that

Very, very interesting. I have had the same injury.

You very likely have a frayed tendon on your supraspinatus, at best some tendonitis from an aggravated supraspinatus tendon. Very, very common with type 3. And it'll take time to heal.

In the meantime, you've been moving different to compensate, which probably led to some erosion of the articular cartilage in the GH joint. And finally, there might be some bursitis with all that shitty type 3 acromion stuff going on.

Start turning your thumbs up on laterals. It will help tremendously. Not the only thing you need to do, but it'll help.

Strengthen your scapula.

Stop overhead pressing movements altogether.

Horizontal pressing in decline motions only. Stop horizontal or decline flyes. Just presses. I strongly recommend going to unilateral instead of barbell work, to re-train proper motion and neuromuscular integration in your weakened side.

For your horizontal pulling, focus on your contractions. You may have weakened rhomboids, though it is also likely you have over-compensatory rhomboid strength. Same with trap strength. Still, no one has ever been hurt by having lower traps and rhomboids that are too strong, so I recommend focusing on them.

[Wolfox]

Let me give you some common sense advice. Don't be a dipshit and diet while recovering from the surgery.

[El Diablo Blanco]

The key gal is to leave your ego at the door and let it heal.  I hurt my back and rushed in and hurt it again, but then decided to take a year off and came back stronger.

[galeniko]

Very, very interesting. I have had the same injury.

You very likely have a frayed tendon on your supraspinatus, at best some tendonitis from an aggravated supraspinatus tendon. Very, very common with type 3. And it'll take time to heal.

In the meantime, you've been moving different to compensate, which probably led to some erosion of the articular cartilage in the GH joint. And finally, there might be some bursitis with all that shitty type 3 acromion stuff going on.

Start turning your thumbs up on laterals. It will help tremendously. Not the only thing you need to do, but it'll help.

Strengthen your scapula.

Stop overhead pressing movements altogether.

Horizontal pressing in decline motions only. Stop horizontal or decline flyes. Just presses. I strongly recommend going to unilateral instead of barbell work, to re-train proper motion and neuromuscular integration in your weakened side.

For your horizontal pulling, focus on your contractions. You may have weakened rhomboids, though it is also likely you have over-compensatory rhomboid strength. Same with trap strength. Still, no one has ever been hurt by having lower traps and rhomboids that are too strong, so I recommend focusing on them.

weidest thing is, the injured side is the much stronger one.

it just cant erform a full rom under heavy load.

yes man, you worded it perfectly,as seen on the xray scan, i actualy eroded that cartilage thing.its just gone.doc said wtf, the shoulder joint cant stabilise at all like that.

what about lat pulldowns?they seem to hurt more than overhead pressing.

is rhomboid the middle back muscle arounf spine?that one is huge very many inches thick.much training load always went there bc overcompensating as youve said

yah i played around with the thumbs stuff, some are better some arent, but overall its so bad that almost nothing works.

this all sounds like ill have to avoid the exercises that caused the problems?

[bigmc]

ive had shoulder problems for years

it affects everything in the gym

really hard to train round

the gym physio told me i had to stop training

i chose to ignore him and have gradually built the strength back up

my sub clavical is deformed and i get aches in the winter random shooting pains and it goes numb sometimes

if you ever take one piece of advice from me on here do your rehab slowly

i wish i had would have saved years of pain

oh and for the haters im guessing he will still look 100 times better than any of you

[Wolfox]

weidest thing is, the injured side is the much stronger one.

it just cant erform a full rom under heavy load.

Its not weird at all. Those muscles are compensating for the instability in the joint.

[Radical Plato]

It was my shoulders that stopped me training. In my late thirties I started to get chronic shoulder pain.  Even sleeping on my side was incredibly painful. Turns out I have inflamed bursa and rotator cuff tears.  I have had several expensive cortisone injections that haven't helped at all.  Doing any upper body weights was painful,  AFter months of struggling through the pain and it getting worse, I stopped lifting.  And after a time of depression and getting fat I started walking and hiking and am now back to getting fit and healthy.  My shoulder is still painful at times and I am restricted in what I can do but I have learned to manage it with anti inflammatories, ice and heat when necessary.  I did miss weight training for a little while, but now I don't.  I was able to asses why I lifted weights in the first place and why I wanted to be big and strong. I am aiming towards getting as fit and lean as I can with good diet and plenty of cardio. 

[galeniko]

oh and for the haters im guessing he will still look 100 times better than any of you

we will see about that

no seriously, everyones in denial and wishful thinking about it maybe going away,and maybe bit afraid or worried about the hassle coming with the op, but its best to go through.

i men i waited until some stuff was eroded within the shoulder capsule, this is now too late for cortisol, for rehab exercise,eeverything.

It was my shoulders that stopped me training. In my late thirties I started to get chronic shoulder pain.  Even sleeping on my side was incredibly painful. Turns out I have inflamed bursa and rotator cuff tears.  I have had several expensive cortisone injections that haven't helped at all.  Doing any upper body weights was painful,  AFter months of struggling through the pain and it getting worse, I stopped lifting.  And after a time of depression and getting fat I started walking and hiking and am now back to getting fit and healthy.  My shoulder is still painful at times and I am restricted in what I can do but I have learned to manage it with anti inflammatories, ice and heat when necessary.  I did miss weight training for a little while, but now I don't.  I was able to asses why I lifted weights in the first place and why I wanted to be big and strong. I am aiming towards getting as fit and lean as I can with good diet and plenty of cardio. 

why no surgery?

[Grape Ape]

Don't have time to read so not sure the extent of it.  All I can say is the following:

I had a distal clavicle exission and subachromial decompression done in Feb.   Yeah - you need to take time off, but it fixes everything, and I used the time to get in cardio shape.   If they've told you surgery can fix and you have the means, get it done, and you'll be back in no time.  Going to get the other shoulder done when I can't bear the pain in that one too.

Oh, and listen to snx, I saw he's posting in the thread.

Best of luck Gal.

[Wolfox]

I remember the days when even jogging hurt my shoulder. Where I couldn't even wash myself with that arm without a painful night.
 

[galeniko]

Don't have time to read so not sure the extent of it.  All I can say is the following:

I had a distal clavicle exission and subachromial decompression done in Feb.   Yeah - you need to take time off, but it fixes everything, and I used the time to get in cardio shape.   If they've told you surgery can fix and you have the means, get it done, and you'll be back in no time.  Going to get the other shoulder done when I can't bear the pain in that one too.

Oh, and listen to snx, I saw he's posting in the thread.

Best of luck Gal.

did they operte you like with 2 or 3 small holes into shoulder?thats what they gonna do with me, they said they can go in the with camera etc.fucking hell

so you can do the exercises again that hurt previously?

or better?can you do like swimmer movemnt with arms, but furiously fast without pain?

thank goodness my left shoulder is fine,even though its most likely similiarly built.

[The True Adonis]

Why is everyone here so prone to injury? 

I have never had a break in heavy lifting longer than a week and never once had an issue.

[Uncle Junior]

Why is everyone here so prone to injury? 

I have never had a break in heavy lifting longer than a week and never once had an issue.

Cos that what happens when you read Flex magazine and buy the cell tech.

[headhuntersix]

Because of your age...never had any real injury before 39 myself. I go for my first PRP injection tomorrow. Avoiding surgery for a partial labrum tear.

[bigmc]

Why is everyone here so prone to injury? 

I have never had a break in heavy lifting longer than a week and never once had an issue.

thats cause you are juiced to the gills bro