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Bobby Jindal: I’m Holding Firm Against Gay Marriage
« on: April 23, 2015, 04:00:48 PM »
Well said.

Bobby Jindal: I’m Holding Firm Against Gay Marriage
By BOBBY JINDAL
APRIL 23, 2015

BATON ROUGE, La. — THE debate over religious liberty in America presents conservatives and business leaders with a crucial choice.

In Indiana and Arkansas, large corporations recently joined left-wing activists to bully elected officials into backing away from strong protections for religious liberty. It was disappointing to see conservative leaders so hastily retreat on legislation that would simply allow for an individual or business to claim a right to free exercise of religion in a court of law.

Our country was founded on the principle of religious liberty, enshrined in the Bill of Rights. Why shouldn’t an individual or business have the right to cite, in a court proceeding, religious liberty as a reason for not participating in a same-sex marriage ceremony that violates a sincerely held religious belief?

That is what Indiana and Arkansas sought to do. That political leaders in both states quickly cowered amid the shrieks of big business and the radical left should alarm us all.

As the fight for religious liberty moves to Louisiana, I have a clear message for any corporation that contemplates bullying our state: Save your breath.


Gov. Bobby Jindal, front, with his family during a prayer at the opening session of the Louisiana State Legislature in April. Credit Pool photo by Gerald Herbert

In 2010, Louisiana adopted a Religious Freedom Restoration Act, which prohibits government from unduly burdening a person’s exercise of religion. However, given the changing positions of politicians, judges and the public in favor of same-sex marriage, along with the potential for discrimination against Christian individuals and businesses that comes with these shifts, I plan in this legislative session to fight for passage of the Marriage and Conscience Act.

The legislation would prohibit the state from denying a person, company or nonprofit group a license, accreditation, employment or contract — or taking other “adverse action” — based on the person or entity’s religious views on the institution of marriage.

Some corporations have already contacted me and asked me to oppose this law. I am certain that other companies, under pressure from radical liberals, will do the same. They are free to voice their opinions, but they will not deter me. As a nation we would not compel a priest, minister or rabbi to violate his conscience and perform a same-sex wedding ceremony. But a great many Americans who are not members of the clergy feel just as called to live their faith through their businesses. That’s why we should ensure that musicians, caterers, photographers and others should be immune from government coercion on deeply held religious convictions.

The bill does not, as opponents assert, create a right to discriminate against, or generally refuse service to, gay men or lesbians. The bill does not change anything as it relates to the law in terms of discrimination suits between private parties. It merely makes our constitutional freedom so well defined that no judge can miss it.

I hold the view that has been the consensus in our country for over two centuries: that marriage is between one man and one woman. Polls indicate that the American consensus is changing — but like many other believers, I will not change my faith-driven view on this matter, even if it becomes a minority opinion.

A pluralistic and diverse society like ours can exist only if we all tolerate people who disagree with us. That’s why religious freedom laws matter — and why it is critical for conservatives and business leaders to unite in this debate.

If we, as conservatives, are to succeed in advancing the cause of freedom and free enterprise, the business community must stand shoulder to shoulder with those fighting for religious liberty. The left-wing ideologues who oppose religious freedom are the same ones who seek to tax and regulate businesses out of existence. The same people who think that profit making is vulgar believe that religiosity is folly. The fight against this misguided, government-dictating ideology is one fight, not two. Conservative leaders cannot sit idly by and allow large corporations to rip our coalition in half.

Since I became governor in 2008, Louisiana has become one of the best places to do business in America. I made it a priority to cut taxes, reform our ethics laws, invigorate our schools with bold merit-based changes and parental choice, and completely revamp work-force training to better suit businesses.

Our reforms worked because they were driven by our belief in freedom. We know that a nation in which individuals, and companies, are protected from the onerous impulses of government is one that will thrive and grow. That’s the intellectual underpinning of America, and in Louisiana we defend it relentlessly.

Conservatism faces many challenges in today’s America. Hollywood and the media elite are hostile to our values and they tip the scales to our liberal opponents at every opportunity. Yet the left has lost repeatedly in state elections all over America. Republicans control 31 governorships. We control nearly 70 percent of state legislative chambers, the highest proportion since at least 1900.

Liberals have decided that if they can’t win at the ballot box, they will win in the boardroom. It’s a deliberate strategy. And it’s time for corporate America to make a decision.

Those who believe in freedom must stick together: If it’s not freedom for all, it’s not freedom at all. This strategy requires populist social conservatives to ally with the business community on economic matters and corporate titans to side with social conservatives on cultural matters. This is the grand bargain that makes freedom’s defense possible.

Bobby Jindal, a Republican, is the governor of Louisiana.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/23/opinion/bobby-jindal-im-holding-firm-against-gay-marriage.html?_r=1

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Re: Bobby Jindal: I’m Holding Firm Against Gay Marriage
« Reply #1 on: April 23, 2015, 05:59:37 PM »
Congrats for standing by his personal beliefs no matter how out of sync they are with the country and even with the majority of young voters in his own party

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/03/10/61-of-young-republicans-favor-same-sex-marriage/

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61% of young Republicans favor same-sex marriage
BY JOCELYN KILEY

Young people continue to be the strongest proponents of same-sex marriage. And as public support for same-sex marriage continues to grow, the gap between young and old is nowhere more striking than within the Republican coalition.

Today, 61% of Republicans and Republican leaners under 30 favor same-sex marriage while just 35% oppose it. By contrast, just 27% of Republicans ages 50 and older favor allowing gays and lesbians to marry.

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« Reply #2 on: April 23, 2015, 06:04:14 PM »
Congrats for standing by his personal beliefs no matter how out of sync they are with the country and even with the majority of young voters in his own party

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/03/10/61-of-young-republicans-favor-same-sex-marriage/


That the difference between libs and repubs. Most repubs stick to higher morals and standards while libs are brainwashed to go with the flow. They're unable to think for themselves.

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« Reply #3 on: April 23, 2015, 06:11:03 PM »
That the difference between libs and repubs. Most repubs stick to higher morals and standards while libs are brainwashed to go with the flow. They're unable to think for themselves.

Didn't I congratulate him for standing by his beliefs no matter how out of  sync his is with the country and the young voters in his own party?

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Re: Bobby Jindal: I’m Holding Firm Against Gay Marriage
« Reply #4 on: April 23, 2015, 06:13:15 PM »
Allowing gay marriage is a higher moral.  

Allowing any discrimination based on religious beliefs is a lower developed standard.  

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« Reply #5 on: April 23, 2015, 06:21:26 PM »
Allowing gay marriage is a higher moral.  

Allowing any discrimination based on religious beliefs is a lower developed standard.  

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Re: Bobby Jindal: I’m Holding Firm Against Gay Marriage
« Reply #6 on: April 23, 2015, 06:26:47 PM »
Allowing gay marriage is a higher moral.  

Allowing any discrimination based on religious beliefs is a lower developed standard.  

I honestly don't understand how Repubs (who think they are the last bastion of freedom and liberty in this country) would have a problem with other people having freedom and liberty

All they have to do is mind their own fucking business.  Who gives a shit if some gay people want to get married.  

Why do they make this an issue.  

All it ever does is fire up an ever shrinking segment of their voters while turning away everyone else

Why not just say something like - I don't personally believe it in but this country is all about freedom and pursuit of happiness so to each his own

They can stand by their religious beliefs while not turning off the majority of voters and actually be consistent in their beliefs about freedom and liberty

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Re: Bobby Jindal: I’m Holding Firm Against Gay Marriage
« Reply #7 on: April 23, 2015, 06:27:31 PM »
I've said for years that homosexual marriage was inevitable, but I do like his opinion piece.  Very well put together.  

Allowing discrimination based on religious beliefs is in many instances permissible under the First Amendment and there is no higher standard in this country than the U.S. Constitution.  

For example, we allow religious organizations to discriminate when it comes to hiring.  A Christian church shouldn't have to hire an atheist, etc.  

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Re: Bobby Jindal: I’m Holding Firm Against Gay Marriage
« Reply #8 on: April 23, 2015, 06:33:16 PM »
Most repubs stick to higher morals and standards

Most republicans support gay marriage, as we see in this poll, Coach.

Do you equate gay marriage with higher morals and standards, Coach?

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« Reply #9 on: April 23, 2015, 06:35:52 PM »
Most republicans support gay marriage, as we see in this poll, Coach.

Do you equate gay marriage with higher morals and standards, Coach?

Were these polls conducted by the same pollsters who predicted that the Democrats were running "neck and neck" with Republicans throughout last year's election cycle? 

Big difference between what politicians claim to support and what people not running for office actually believe. 

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« Reply #10 on: April 23, 2015, 06:40:47 PM »
Were these polls conducted by the same pollsters who predicted that the Democrats were running "neck and neck" with Republicans throughout last year's election cycle?  

Big difference between what politicians claim to support and what people not running for office actually believe.  

Pew research is pretty reliable.  FOX quotes them all the time.  

it doesn't surprise me that 61% of young repubs support gay marriage.  I see a lot of same-sex couples and in this day of busy, busy people... what goes on in others' legal marital status doesn't seem to bother/concern most young people.  They're more concerned with making money, hooking up, raising kids, going to school, etc.

So that might explain why 61% of young repubs don't care.  They're just so busy.

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Re: Bobby Jindal: I’m Holding Firm Against Gay Marriage
« Reply #11 on: April 23, 2015, 07:21:16 PM »
Pew research is pretty reliable.  FOX quotes them all the time.  

it doesn't surprise me that 61% of young repubs support gay marriage.  I see a lot of same-sex couples and in this day of busy, busy people... what goes on in others' legal marital status doesn't seem to bother/concern most young people.  They're more concerned with making money, hooking up, raising kids, going to school, etc.

So that might explain why 61% of young repubs don't care.  They're just so busy.


young republicans are "too busy" to not like gay marriage so they support it instead?

how much effort does it take to say yes or no to a question on a poll?

how about the more logical conclusion that they have grown up seeing it and are comfortable with it.

basically just like different generations that grew up in the south have different views on racism

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Re: Bobby Jindal: I’m Holding Firm Against Gay Marriage
« Reply #12 on: April 23, 2015, 07:57:13 PM »
Pew research is pretty reliable.  FOX quotes them all the time.  

it doesn't surprise me that 61% of young repubs support gay marriage.  I see a lot of same-sex couples and in this day of busy, busy people... what goes on in others' legal marital status doesn't seem to bother/concern most young people.  They're more concerned with making money, hooking up, raising kids, going to school, etc.

So that might explain why 61% of young repubs don't care.  They're just so busy.


I didn't see the source at first.  The number still surprises me, but I guess like others have said, it may be more of a "generational" thing involved.

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Re: Bobby Jindal: I’m Holding Firm Against Gay Marriage
« Reply #13 on: April 23, 2015, 08:19:12 PM »
I've said for years that homosexual marriage was inevitable, but I do like his opinion piece.  Very well put together.  

Allowing discrimination based on religious beliefs is in many instances permissible under the First Amendment and there is no higher standard in this country than the U.S. Constitution.  

For example, we allow religious organizations to discriminate when it comes to hiring.  A Christian church shouldn't have to hire an atheist, etc.  

It's too subjective to cite religeous discrimination in hiring.  Too many variables.    But when it comes to discrimination or refusal of services based on sexual orientation or religeous beliefs it's straight up discrimination.  I don't think that's allowed in any amendment. 

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« Reply #14 on: April 23, 2015, 08:34:17 PM »
It's too subjective to cite religeous discrimination in hiring.  Too many variables.    But when it comes to discrimination or refusal of services based on sexual orientation or religeous beliefs it's straight up discrimination.  I don't think that's allowed in any amendment.  

It's not subjective.  It's the law.  Religious organizations can discriminate.

Refusal or denial of services sort of depends on the entity involved from my view.  

That said, and Jindal's good commentary notwithstanding, this issue is over already.  We have been steamrolled by pound for pound the most powerful lobby of my lifetime.  What concerns me is where we are setting the outer limits; where even preachers are under attack for expressing faith-based viewpoints.  

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« Reply #15 on: April 23, 2015, 08:43:28 PM »
That the difference between libs and repubs. Most repubs stick to higher morals and standards while libs are brainwashed to go with the flow. They're unable to think for themselves.

Apparently from that graph, Republican attitudes are changing. More young Republicans favor gay marriage then not.

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« Reply #16 on: April 23, 2015, 08:47:38 PM »
That the difference between libs and repubs. Most repubs stick to higher morals and standards while libs are brainwashed to go with the flow. They're unable to think for themselves.

Actually if you stick to a set of morals or standards that IS going with the flow not the other way around. I didnt think it was possible to contradict yourself so badly with so few words but you pulled it of Coach.

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Re: Bobby Jindal: I’m Holding Firm Against Gay Marriage
« Reply #17 on: April 23, 2015, 08:48:23 PM »
It is kind of a mute point whether someone supports or does not support gay marriage in the U.S. 37 states have legal same sex marriage, 13 do not.

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Re: Bobby Jindal: I’m Holding Firm Against Gay Marriage
« Reply #18 on: April 23, 2015, 09:17:23 PM »
Most republicans support gay marriage, as we see in this poll, Coach.
youre right. I should have said conservatives. Most of the repubs are inching their way to the lib bottom feeders
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Re: Bobby Jindal: I’m Holding Firm Against Gay Marriage
« Reply #19 on: April 23, 2015, 09:20:08 PM »
youre right. I should have said conservatives. Most of the repubs are inching their way to the lib bottom feeders

at some point, we're going to have to admit that 51% of this nation are liberal now.

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« Reply #20 on: April 23, 2015, 09:25:17 PM »
at some point, we're going to have to admit that 51% of this nation are liberal now.

Doesn't mean it right. It just means there's a lot of naive and desperate people in this country. Very low information people.

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Re: Bobby Jindal: I’m Holding Firm Against Gay Marriage
« Reply #21 on: April 23, 2015, 09:39:47 PM »
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Re: Bobby Jindal: I’m Holding Firm Against Gay Marriage
« Reply #22 on: April 24, 2015, 11:07:15 AM »
It is kind of a mute point whether someone supports or does not support gay marriage in the U.S. 37 states have legal same sex marriage, 13 do not.

That's a little misleading.  Almost every state that has legal homosexual marriage had a law on the books preserving traditional marriage that was struck down by the courts. 

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« Reply #23 on: April 24, 2015, 12:27:59 PM »
That's a little misleading.  Almost every state that has legal homosexual marriage had a law on the books preserving traditional marriage that was struck down by the courts. 

Semantics

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Re: Bobby Jindal: I’m Holding Firm Against Gay Marriage
« Reply #24 on: April 24, 2015, 12:31:26 PM »
Semantics

Hardly.  We're talking about likely millions of voters as opposed to a literal handful of judges making decision on this issue.