Why is the level of discourse so much more intelligent in Democratic Debates

[tbombz]

We need another Reagan-esque time in our country where we all make a few years of sacrifice for the betterment and improvement of the economy moving forward. The republicans take the bad statistics en-route to making the economy better for future years while democrats take advantage and advantage until we need to make sacrifices again. Trumps plan is very similar and would bring great success to the economy for the next 30-40 years if we can get past a  small hump of a few years...There is always a time you need to reset...Not necessarily change

I prefer Ben Carson, but Cruz would be good too. 

[Davidtheman100]

ya the great recession was perfect, thanks Repubs!

or looked at another way.

The repubs come in a fuck up everything with their retarded economics (trickle down into offshore accounts)which then has to be cleaned up.

Which theory seems correct?

Bush had a surplus, how the fuck is that bad stats? he literally did the opposite of what you are stating, he took good stats and shit all over them, only then to be cleaned up by Obama.

lol do you ever look back and see the sources of everything??? Like how not allowing a woman to have an abortion is making population issues in a lot of areas and having children grow up in poverty...Like how it's making it so we have to chop down more forests to build more living space for the humans...Like how our oil consumption is not sustainable and if it was we wouldn't have thousands and thousands being killed over time in the middle east...You think we need anymore people??

Next time you talk it would be nice if you found the root of things...Not just the lighting after the storm...For example instead of looking at the recession itself as negativity..Why don't you think of it as a time where Americans came together for one and other and made sacrifices themselves for the betterment of their children, and their children's children etc moving forward?? I see Reagan as a mentor of mine even if i don't know him/never knew him...America might be "statistically" more united now...(but we know 90% of media is liberal, i don't fall for bullshit easily just like the phony unemployment numbers) but it was NEVER more united in hard times than it was back then...We have to re-up now..We've had our booms and it's time to make sacrifices for future generations...You see "statistically" how the economy got better after Reagan for years and lots of people were able to live the American dream...To bail out on capitalism because we have incompetent leaders is NOT what makes America great...You don't just change the whole basis of the country...Plus if you have dreams of being a millionaire you're going to have to pay for close-minded people who think like you...

With socialism, why even wake up in the morning to go to work?? You'll never be able to bath in your riches if you get multiple promotions...All your taxes will be going to the less fortunate...Because we couldn't have a competent leader that couldn't fix things...UNLESS Trump is elected...

[Necrosis]

What the fuck are you going on about, your first sentence is barely readable, women should have access to abortion obviously.

As for your last sentence David, this is the root of the problem, your only motivation is money? riches? a sad life you must lead.

What about making a name for yourself in the world by being an expert or having a unique skill? mastery of an art, craft or process? riches are fleeting and when facing eternity pretty pointless.

I understand you won't agree, but we are racing towards oblivion and it's hilarious how humans deflect reality for non-sense like day to day "work", dinner plans etc.

[Davidtheman100]

What the fuck are you going on about, your first sentence is barely readable, women should have access to abortion obviously.

As for your last sentence David, this is the root of the problem, your only motivation is money? riches? a sad life you must lead.

What about making a name for yourself in the world by being an expert or having a unique skill? mastery of an art, craft or process? riches are fleeting and when facing eternity pretty pointless.

I understand you won't agree, but we are racing towards oblivion and it's hilarious how humans deflect reality for non-sense like day to day "work", dinner plans etc.

Don't you think getting rich means in most cases that you're an expert at something and have a unique skill?? 

[Necrosis]

Don't you think getting rich means in most cases that you're an expert at something and have a unique skill?? 

Depending on your perspective sure.

[The True Adonis]

Don't you think getting rich means in most cases that you're an expert at something and have a unique skill??  

No.  You don't know many rich people do you? 

[tonymctones]

Depending on your perspective sure.

No.  You don't know many rich people do you? 

the majority of millionaires are self made, so yea that probably means they have some unique skill set or an expertise they can leverage...

[Primemuscle]

Don't you think getting rich means in most cases that you're an expert at something and have a unique skill?? 

Is it really in most cases? Seems to me, in many cases wealth is inherited. In many other cases it results from incredible luck. Sure lot's folks work for their wealth. On the other hand, being expert at something and having a unique skill certainly does not guarantee one they will become monetarily wealthy. There are a multitude of people with one or both those qualities who are financially poor or at least decidedly middleclass. There are wealthy people who got were they are on the backs of people with unique skills or expertise.

[tonymctones]

Is it really in most cases? Seems to me, in many cases wealth is inherited.

thats a liberal talking point and is just plain false, most millionaires are self made and if Im not mistaken first generation. Transfer of wealth doesnt create as many rich people as you thin. If two parents die off and pass on their wealth to a single kid you have less rich people, if they pass it on to 2 you have the same number

[Primemuscle]

the majority of millionaires are self made, so yea that probably means they have some unique skill set or an expertise they can leverage...

Forbes takes a different view on this.

The ‘Self-Made’ Myth: Our Hallucinating Rich Posted on September 23, 2012 by Sam Pizzigati

In real life, working hard only takes you so far. Those who go all the way — to grand fortune — typically get a substantial head start. So documents a new analysis of the Forbes 400.

- See more at: http://inequality.org/selfmade-myth-hallucinating-rich/#sthash.ranmVxuy.dpuf

[The True Adonis]

the majority of millionaires are self made, so yea that probably means they have some unique skill set or an expertise they can leverage...

I know someone who is about the best blacksmith in the United States.  His ability to to use his hands is incredible.  He told me he usually spends around 14 hours a day making things.  He has made things for the queen of England even.  However, he is not a millionaire.  

[The True Adonis]

All I know is that if Donald Trump just invested the money he inherited, he would have made a lot more than he has now. 

http://fortune.com/2015/08/20/donald-trump-index-funds/

Donald Trump would be richer if he'd have invested in index funds

[tonymctones]

Forbes takes a different view on this.
- See more at: http://inequality.org/selfmade-myth-hallucinating-rich/#sthash.ranmVxuy.dpuf

https://www.pwc.com/gx/en/financial-services/publications/assets/pwc-ubs-billionaire-report.pdf

" In 2000, the number of self-made billionaires overtook the number of multigenerational
billionaires for the first time since the first ‘Gilded Age’. And, in 2014, entrepreneur billionaires made
up 66% of the total billionaire population"

that is patently false prime and again a talking point of the left. I agree that those with a stable supportive family life and more opportunities due to their parents success tend have a leg up but that is completely false.

[The True Adonis]

https://www.pwc.com/gx/en/financial-services/publications/assets/pwc-ubs-billionaire-report.pdf

" In 2000, the number of self-made billionaires overtook the number of multigenerational
billionaires for the first time since the first ‘Gilded Age’. And, in 2014, entrepreneur billionaires made
up 66% of the total billionaire population"

that is patently false prime and again a talking point of the left. I agree that those with a stable supportive family life and more opportunities due to their parents success tend have a leg up but that is completely false.

The truth to the bullshit is that there are more highly skilled people who are NOT millionaires than there are highly skilled people who ARE millionaires.

Hope this helps.

[tonymctones]

I know someone who is about the best blacksmith in the United States.  His ability to to use his hands is incredible.  He told me he usually spends around 14 hours a day making things.  He has made things for the queen of England even.  However, he is not a millionaire.  

All about the ability to scale his operations, he makes hand made products which I love but he is limited to what he can produce...tough to get rich as a one man operation.

[The True Adonis]

All about the ability to scale his operations, he makes hand made products which I love but he is limited to what he can produce...tough to get rich as a one man operation.

What makes you think he even wants a million dollars? 

[tonymctones]

The truth to the bullshit is that there are more highly skilled people who are NOT millionaires than there are highly skilled people who ARE millionaires.

Hope this helps.

Depends on your view I guess, business sense is in itself a skill set. Your friend for example could hire people to train and help create his furniture but chooses not to...this costs him monetarily supposing that he has enough business to warrant extra staff.

Probably wont go over well with the liberals on the board but I truly believe one of the biggest differences in "rich" people and the "middle class" is working smarter. Both groups work hard but those that make it to the next level generally look for ways to move up, work more efficiently, or expand their operations.

[tonymctones]

What makes you think he even wants a million dollars? 

LOL youre the one that seemed upset/confused by the situation, I was just offering my point of view. If he is happy with his current life then more power to him, i think being content in your life is something we all could try and do a little bit more.

[Primemuscle]

thats a liberal talking point and is just plain false, most millionaires are self made and if Im not mistaken first generation. Transfer of wealth doesnt create as many rich people as you thin. If two parents die off and pass on their wealth to a single kid you have less rich people, if they pass it on to 2 you have the same number

It is a point of view that is neither liberal or conservative.

Of the 50 richest families, 28 mainly donate to Republicans and only seven contribute mainly to Democrats. Charles and David Koch, notorious for their support of right-wing causes, donated more than $2.2 million during the 2012 election, nearly all to Republican candidates.

Does it matter how many rich people there are? It seems not applicable to this discussion. Why you may ask? Because fewer wealthy people does not diminish overall wealth. It makes those few people wealthier.

[The True Adonis]

Depends on your view I guess, business sense is in itself is a skill set. Your friend for example could hire people to train and help create his furniture but chooses not to...this costs him monetarily supposing that he has enough business to warrant extra staff.

Probably wont go over well with the liberals on the board but I truly believe one of the biggest differences in "rich" people and the "middle class" is working smarter. Both groups work hard but those that make it to the next level generally look for ways to move up, work more efficiently, or expand their operations.

I'm not so sure that everyone wants a million dollars really.  Most just want to be able to live without worry.  Making millions of dollars is a goal, only few people really wish to seek.  Luckily, there are ways to get there by default and there are millions of different ways to get there if one wants to, but we must recognize not everyone cares for that end goal.

[Primemuscle]

https://www.pwc.com/gx/en/financial-services/publications/assets/pwc-ubs-billionaire-report.pdf

" In 2000, the number of self-made billionaires overtook the number of multigenerational
billionaires for the first time since the first ‘Gilded Age’. And, in 2014, entrepreneur billionaires made
up 66% of the total billionaire population"

that is patently false prime and again a talking point of the left. I agree that those with a stable supportive family life and more opportunities due to their parents success tend have a leg up but that is completely false.

What is patently false?

[tonymctones]

Forbes takes a different view on this.
- See more at: http://inequality.org/selfmade-myth-hallucinating-rich/#sthash.ranmVxuy.dpuf

Just to correct this post, that point of view wasnt from Forbes, it was from a left wing think tank called "United for a Fair Economy" who  says that Forbes is spinning the trust by saying most billionaires are self made....

Again this has become one of those liberal talking points where they say it enough times and people think its true...I highly encourage you to read that report from Price Waterhouse Prime they are a big 5 accounting firm and reputable source. It was also I believe created for UBS who manages money so you would assume they would want a non biased view of who is becoming rich b/c they need to attract and retain them as clients

[tonymctones]

It is a point of view that is neither liberal or conservative.

Of the 50 richest families, 28 mainly donate to Republicans and only seven contribute mainly to Democrats. Charles and David Koch, notorious for their support of right-wing causes, donated more than $2.2 million during the 2012 election, nearly all to Republican candidates.

Does it matter how many rich people there are? It seems not applicable to this discussion. Why you may ask? Because fewer wealthy people does not diminish overall wealth. It makes those few people wealthier.

The number of rich people does matter in the context of how many are self made, which is how this conversation started. The talking point is that most wealthy people inherit their money which is false. If you go from two rich parent to one super rich heir then yes the number of rich wealthy people has decreased....

[Primemuscle]

Probably wont go over well with the liberals on the board but I truly believe one of the biggest differences in "rich" people and the "middle class" is working smarter. Both groups work hard but those that make it to the next level generally look for ways to move up, work more efficiently, or expand their operations.

Do you have facts to support this or is it just your beliefs that count?

[The True Adonis]

There is not enough money anyways for everyone to become a millionaire or billionaire.

The single best thing that has ever happened to the economy is abortion.  Imagine if all of those abortions were instead brought to term how much more fucked everything would be.  Republicans would love to do away with abortion so the value of the dollar could steadily plummet further as the birth rates increase.