Kicking the steroid habit

[equipoise]

Probably not the best place to ask this, but here goes. I'm looking to kick my use of AAS forever (if I can recover, if not go to TRT). Done a few cycles, but this one has been my longest one yet (about 9 months of B & C). I'm currently cruising on 250mg test but I really want to come off in the interest of health. For me it's not a physical addiction, but a psychological one. It's always the same pattern: cycle, look good, get worried about health, come off, miss looking jacked after a few months, hop back on. Does anyone with any experience with this have any advice? I'm still young (mid 20s) so hoping to get out before it consumes me. I know that if I cruise too long i'll be tempted to up the dose/throw in more compounds

[lilhawk1]

Get blood work done to find out where you are health wise first.  You can cycle, or use TRT and be perfectly healthy.  Blood work proves this.  Especially if you're worried about... Get labs done, if for nothing else to put your mind at ease.

[equipoise]

Get blood work done to find out where you are health wise first.  You can cycle, or use TRT and be perfectly healthy.  Blood work proves this.  Especially if you're worried about... Get labs done, if for nothing else to put your mind at ease.

labs are good. but I do believe that bloodwork doesn't show everything. inflammatory reactions, things at the cellular level, endothelial damage. I think the 250mg of test i'm running now has minimal damage, but still, I am aiming for maximum health and longevity

[WOOO]

labs are good. but I do believe that bloodwork doesn't show everything. inflammatory reactions, things at the cellular level, endothelial damage. I think the 250mg of test i'm running now has minimal damage, but still, I am aiming for maximum health and longevity

No offence. But it's too late. You're playing with half a deck now.

[pestosterone]

Maximum health and longevity. If u don't mind me asking why the sudden urge to live longer?  Or health concerns rather

[lilhawk1]

labs are good. but I do believe that bloodwork doesn't show everything. inflammatory reactions, things at the cellular level, endothelial damage. I think the 250mg of test i'm running now has minimal damage, but still, I am aiming for maximum health and longevity

There are markers for inflammation in lab work, also tumor markers, etc.  at least in the lab work my TRT doc does.  Almost every doctor I work with above the age of 30 cycles, or is on HRT.  Just my opinion, but I think you're being a bit paranoid.  Is your life better with hormones or without?

[iwantmass]

Research triptorelin

[Mad-scientist]

I quit doing steroids for two years it was pretty damn hard and I really missed it in the long run. I never really quite filled the hole in my life it left. I think one of the keys to quitting steroids for good is figuring out the psychological reason you started them in the first place. It's a hard thing to quit if you really loved being on them but after about 6 months to a year it gets easier. Just make sure to not let your self get out of shape or fat when you quit them.

[Primemuscle]

Probably not the best place to ask this, but here goes. I'm looking to kick my use of AAS forever (if I can recover, if not go to TRT). Done a few cycles, but this one has been my longest one yet (about 9 months of B & C). I'm currently cruising on 250mg test but I really want to come off in the interest of health. For me it's not a physical addiction, but a psychological one. It's always the same pattern: cycle, look good, get worried about health, come off, miss looking jacked after a few months, hop back on. Does anyone with any experience with this have any advice? I'm still young (mid 20s) so hoping to get out before it consumes me. I know that if I cruise too long i'll be tempted to up the dose/throw in more compounds

Try moderation. It does have to be an all or noting situation. I'm prescribed 300 mg of test a week. I've had no bad health issues from this.

[triggerhappy]

Power pct and wait a year. If that doesn't work it's trt

[Jizmo]

Research triptorelin

+ toremifene PCT

i think the trip/torem combo is your best outlook, especially if youve been using for a long time

[Thong Maniac]

Op, what you describe is exactly me as well. The process of looking good, then worried about health, then coming off, then going back on...so true.

The thing I would need to do to come off is get really lean so atleast id have a semi decent physique.

[Jizmo]

Op, what you describe is exactly me as well. The process of looking good, then worried about health, then coming off, then going back on...so true.

The thing I would need to do to come off is get really lean so atleast id have a semi decent physique.

just stop worrying about health  all problems solved

[equipoise]

Op, what you describe is exactly me as well. The process of looking good, then worried about health, then coming off, then going back on...so true.

The thing I would need to do to come off is get really lean so atleast id have a semi decent physique.

I have the opposite problem lol. No problems being lean but I have absolutely no size without AAS. even 250mg of test gives me a bit of thickness so I don't look like a total twink in clothes

[Mad-scientist]

Creatine might give you a extra ten pounds of water weight if your worried about looking big in clothes. Being pumped up on arganine through out the day can help a bit to.

[balzac]

pick up another "sport" - problem solved

[Disco187]

as far as health you can simply just get blood work done, i have abused my body tremendously not so much with steroids but other things when i was younger. The only problem i ever had was slightly elevated liver enzymes and that was from a harsh oral and as soon as I was off them a few wks later the enzymes where back to normal.

Blood work bro , get it done twice a year and dont dwell on it.

[Primemuscle]

as far as health you can simply just get blood work done, i have abused my body tremendously not so much with steroids but other things when i was younger. The only problem i ever had was slightly elevated liver enzymes and that was from a harsh oral and as soon as I was off them a few wks later the enzymes where back to normal.

Blood work bro , get it done twice a year and dont dwell on it.

Your liver went back to normal because the liver is one organ that can heal itself....up to a point.

[theworm]

I'm 37 man and I fully understand. I hate when I get back on but I look and feel so damn good!   

Then I get off and feel better about being healthy but then no energy... Work out hard and look like crap in a few months

What I do now is go on for 16 weeks and end on prop and var, gets me lean and hard. Then I go off for 6 months and do the power pct and I keep training and maintain most the gains for 3 months.  Try to do much more cardio and drink a glass of red wine etc...  That almost equals one cycle a year which I think is healthy enough for me.   

I'm not a believer that HRt is that healthy,.. Drops HDL , increases prostate cancer etc

[Dr.J]

Is this a fucking joke or a troll?  Da fuck man


Man up, you ain't doing shit for a cycle that you would have to worry about your health, maybe if you ran 4 to 8 grams of shit a week for 9 months we could talk.  But in all seriousness, man the fuck up you are a 20 nothing year old kid.  You could do a lot of juice, hard rec drugs, smoke  and drink and still recover at your age!  Not that I would recommend that shit.  If you are stressed about your health at your age, then eat right, work out in moderation do your cardio and take your vitamins. Stay away from all the bullshit I mentioned above and move on.

But, with all due respect, stop being a pussy!

Yes, not the best place to post this issue....

Fuck!

[Dr.J]

Try moderation. It does have to be an all or noting situation. I'm prescribed 300 mg of test a week. I've had no bad health issues from this.

Yup

[Marlo Stanfield]

Probably not the best place to ask this, but here goes. I'm looking to kick my use of AAS forever (if I can recover, if not go to TRT). Done a few cycles, but this one has been my longest one yet (about 9 months of B & C). I'm currently cruising on 250mg test but I really want to come off in the interest of health. For me it's not a physical addiction, but a psychological one. It's always the same pattern: cycle, look good, get worried about health, come off, miss looking jacked after a few months, hop back on. Does anyone with any experience with this have any advice? I'm still young (mid 20s) so hoping to get out before it consumes me. I know that if I cruise too long i'll be tempted to up the dose/throw in more compounds

Thats your problem, you need to learn to address that and be comfortable with who you are. On one hand i feel bad for you that you learned your lesson (using that loosely) the hard way, on the other hand part of me says fuck him, he decided to started hitting the juice so early on without reaching his natural limits first, as it was your shortcut. I believe until mid-late twenties you can still gain naturally, and after that you can start using hormones to supplement, but that also has to do with your goals. if your goal is to look jacked the fuck up for all your life, then of course you need the hormones at early age, but if your goal is to use hormones as a kick in the ass and a boost after putting in 10 years of natural work, then thats a different story.

Having said all of that, back to your question, you say "having done a few cycles, 9 months of B&C". If thats truly all youve done, you have nothing really to worry about. At your age, your body can do wonders and heal any fuckups. In the grand scheme of things, you really didnt abuse steroids, but you also dont say what dosages you were running.

From what i can tell, your body will be fine, however the problem was always your mind. Yoou need to learn to like the way you look. And trust me, if youre a serious lifter and have decent muscles, you'll get so much pussy. As a matter of fact,  the big and lean guys get more pussy than the huge and shredded tools at the gym, so just learn to be comfortable in your own body. You're asking this on a steroids board, you'll get many different views. noone is right or wrong, just people have different opinions.

[equipoise]

Thats your problem, you need to learn to address that and be comfortable with who you are. On one hand i feel bad for you that you learned your lesson (using that loosely) the hard way, on the other hand part of me says fuck him, he decided to started hitting the juice so early on without reaching his natural limits first, as it was your shortcut. I believe until mid-late twenties you can still gain naturally, and after that you can start using hormones to supplement, but that also has to do with your goals. if your goal is to look jacked the fuck up for all your life, then of course you need the hormones at early age, but if your goal is to use hormones as a kick in the ass and a boost after putting in 10 years of natural work, then thats a different story.

Having said all of that, back to your question, you say "having done a few cycles, 9 months of B&C". If thats truly all youve done, you have nothing really to worry about. At your age, your body can do wonders and heal any fuckups. In the grand scheme of things, you really didnt abuse steroids, but you also dont say what dosages you were running.

From what i can tell, your body will be fine, however the problem was always your mind. Yoou need to learn to like the way you look. And trust me, if youre a serious lifter and have decent muscles, you'll get so much pussy. As a matter of fact,  the big and lean guys get more pussy than the huge and shredded tools at the gym, so just learn to be comfortable in your own body. You're asking this on a steroids board, you'll get many different views. noone is right or wrong, just people have different opinions.

Lifted for 5 years naturally before starting AAS. I think most people would agree that after about 2 years you're about maxed out in size (strength is a different story, but I'm not a powerlifter). Most I've used is 2 grams. Never ran orals, just test, tren, npp. I also take a ton of supps on cycle to control BP, cholesterol, homocysteine, triglycerides, liver etc. to minimise the damage.

One reason why I went on was low T to start off with (low end of normal). I felt generally ok, but had practically no sex drive (muscle gains weren't bad actually for the low T levels), and slightly depressed (not to suicidal levels though). So, I'm not even sure if a restart will work, because I highly doubt I'll be able to restart to even where I used to be, much less an acceptable level. I do have some slightly unusual PCT protocols up my sleeve so I might try those though 

[local hero]

Lifted for 5 years naturally before starting AAS. I think most people would agree that after about 2 years you're about maxed out in size (strength is a different story, but I'm not a powerlifter). Most I've used is 2 grams. Never ran orals, just test, tren, npp. I also take a ton of supps on cycle to control BP, cholesterol, homocysteine, triglycerides, liver etc. to minimise the damage.

One reason why I went on was low T to start off with (low end of normal). I felt generally ok, but had practically no sex drive (muscle gains weren't bad actually for the low T levels), and slightly depressed (not to suicidal levels though). So, I'm not even sure if a restart will work, because I highly doubt I'll be able to restart to even where I used to be, much less an acceptable level. I do have some slightly unusual PCT protocols up my sleeve so I might try those though 

I have to pick up on the 'how long to stay natty ' debate.... I think once you have your training sorted, your eating properly, 2 yrs is probly your max for growth as you stated, you will gain next to nothing after that, even with gear you get a good run then you hit a brick wall, where you will have to mega dose and/or add gh/slin to start growing again.

You gain nothing for training 10 yrs natty and then stepping over, you've just missed out looking and feeling great in the prime of your life, I had loads of fun in my early 20's, enjoying being huge, doing shows, slaying pussy etc etc

The time for moderation is after 30, youl prob settle down and have different priorities, watch your health if you must

[equipoise]

I have to pick up on the 'how long to stay natty ' debate.... I think once you have your training sorted, your eating properly, 2 yrs is probly your max for growth as you stated, you will gain next to nothing after that, even with gear you get a good run then you hit a brick wall, where you will have to mega dose and/or add gh/slin to start growing again.

You gain nothing for training 10 yrs natty and then stepping over, you've just missed out looking and feeling great in the prime of your life, I had loads of fun in my early 20's, enjoying being huge, doing shows, slaying pussy etc etc

The time for moderation is after 30, youl prob settle down and have different priorities, watch your health if you must

is fertility an issue for you? I'm pretty dead set against having kids, but I know most women do, and I intend to get married eventually. I do see all these IFBB pros with kids though, so a part of me thinks it isn't that big an issue with treatments like triptorelin, hcg, hmg, torem etc. noawadays. Also, I was long long finished with puberty when I started AAS