Author Topic: mike ashley and brian buchanon (Read 16947 times)

HowieW · « **Reply #25 on:** March 20, 2006, 08:19:12 PM »

Quote from: Special Ed on March 20, 2006, 07:51:02 PM

No one in their right mind would believe Mike was natural. If so, you are saying that Mike Ashley had the greatest genetics of all-time. The guy went head-to-head with a roided out Strydom in his prime and consistently crushed other admitted users. He took second to Shawn Ray at the Arnold when Shawn failed his drug test. Ask yourself: Why in the world would a superior genetically gifted bodybuilder like Shawn have to take drugs to beat a natural guy like Mike Ashley?? If you really believe Mike had more muscle, better density, and was in better condition and came in drier than 99% of his competitors without juice, you truly have no understanding of what drugs do.

Think about it. The Ashley of 1986 was light years ahead of the absolute best natural competitor in 2006 - TWENTY YEARS of knowledge, superior supplementation, more efficient machines, and egg whites in a jar, and no one even remotely resembles this guy's level of muscle, density and condition. Bitch please!

Shawn would set you straight, but he's afraid Mike might skip out on the Colorado Pro.

Special "SeaGullible" Ed

No question about it , drugs do add size and a freaky look that is needed to win today.
If shawn failed the test at that ASC, how come at least Mike passed it, if he was on. Hmmm, no matter, Shawn stayed in the game and ended his involvement sport with one of the most impressive careers or any top pro, even better than a a couple Mr O's like Dickerson or Sammir.

GENETICS is the real "secret" to being a top bodybuilder, singer or pro athlete. Drugs can't turn a horse jockey into Mr O , can they? hehe
On a serious note, unlike most sports , the drug myth keeps the insane dream alive for a lot of wannabe pros out there with lousy genetics. The truth and reality is a tough pill to swallow for some, kinda like W and his belief on how great Iraq is going

THE BAD GUY · « **Reply #26 on:** March 20, 2006, 08:21:34 PM »

MIKE ASHLEY IS NATURAL.... NATURALY ON IT THAT IS anyone in BB knows u cant get that kinda freaky size without the gear i dont care what anyone thinks all BIG FREAK looking BB are on it

HowieW · « **Reply #27 on:** March 20, 2006, 08:28:10 PM »

Quote from: THE BAD GUY on March 20, 2006, 08:21:34 PM

MIKE ASHLEY IS NATURAL.... NATURALY ON IT THAT IS anyone in BB knows u cant get that kinda freaky size without the gear i dont care what anyone thinks all BIG FREAK looking BB are on it

....and if man were meant to fly he would have wings, plus, you know that the earth is flat and nobody can sail to far without falling off the edge that is fact (ok it was a fact)
This logic amazes me, he has to be on drugs becuae he looked good, hmmm, and nobody can develop decent mass without them. I think it is the 99% that can't obtain his kind of physique 'with drugs' and need to blame it on drugs that is odd.

njflex · « **Reply #28 on:** March 20, 2006, 08:29:57 PM »

good point

THE BAD GUY · « **Reply #29 on:** March 20, 2006, 08:38:27 PM »

Quote from: HowieW on March 20, 2006, 08:28:10 PM

....and if man were meant to fly he would have wings, plus, you know that the earth is flat and nobody can sail to far without falling off the edge that is fact (ok it was a fact)
This logic amazes me, he has to be on drugs becuae he looked good, hmmm, and nobody can develop decent mass without them. I think it is the 99% that can't obtain his kind of physique 'with drugs' and need to blame it on drugs that is odd.

KID wake up how old are you

? prob a lil to old to believe in fantasies nobody gets huge without gear keep dreaming and maybe one day the tooth fairy will leave you a dollar when u wake up

cqfd · « **Reply #30 on:** March 20, 2006, 08:48:05 PM »

Quote from: HowieW on March 20, 2006, 08:19:12 PM

No question about it , drugs do add size and a freaky look that is needed to win today.
If shawn failed the test at that ASC, how come at least Mike passed it, if he was on.

Come on, you should know that when pple got caught at that time, it was for a question of bad timing.
I'm not saying that Mike ashley was not natural, I don't know.

There was a pic of him that I found fantastic. He had "old school" red shorts and was one arm up. Any one has it?

Special Ed · « **Reply #31 on:** March 20, 2006, 10:26:01 PM »

Quote from: HowieW on March 20, 2006, 08:19:12 PM

If shawn failed the test at that ASC, how come at least Mike passed it, if he was on.
GENETICS is the real "secret" to being a top bodybuilder.

Uhh Howie, take a look at Shawn's pics from the Junior Nationals at age 19 or 20. When you speak of genetics, Shawn was a true freak. Don't try to tell me that a natural Mike Ashley had half of Shawn's ability to build muscle mass. Try to pull Mike's AAU Teen pics and see who the natural is. And then try to tell me that Mike added more muscle and made more improvements NATURAL than Shawn did WITH DRUGS? That sounds like one of those 70's articles..."Steroids do not promote muscle growth...egg protein does!"

And when you look at pics of Ashley's face, try to ignore the tell-tale lantern jaw, the face-within-a-face and of course, the GH elbow. How'd he pass the drug test? The same way our Summer Olympic track team does every four years. Steroids +GH all off-season long. GH + steroids - oil-based steroids beginning 12 weeks out.

Special "Rebel Without a Clue" Ed

bailey · « **Reply #32 on:** March 20, 2006, 11:36:07 PM »

That just shows you how good he ( WASN'T !!!! ) He was juiced to the gills. I will end this bullshit about him being natural. I have no respect for a guy on that level at the time who went out of his way to proclaim how natural he was. What a douche ! I'm not going to name names because that's not fair to the second party here. Anyway, He hung out with, traveled with, trained with, and stayed with another pro throughout the 80's who I've talked with on several occasions. He told me It drove him crazy ( this pro Is and has been Natural all his life. ) That Mike Ashley was doing all kinds of shit while the were traveling together and making appearances. This pro I'm talking about placed very low in the 1988 Mr O . which Is amazing considering he Is 100 percent natural and no one has ever doubted or protested it. He competed at about 185 lbs. Thats a far as ill go with that. So there is your answer for a Fact !!!! Mike Ashley was a lier.

growth · « **Reply #33 on:** March 21, 2006, 03:03:42 AM »

Quote from: Dan-O on March 20, 2006, 08:16:27 PM

Thank you, I was also going to point out that Mike was a real whiz with nutrition and training. Not that his competition wasn't, but he really knew what he was doing and had it down to a pretty exact formula.

Mike also offered $10,000.00 to anyone if they administered a drug test that he could not pass. No one ever collected on the deal, so draw your own conclusions.

Mike supposedly used methyltest or another sort of test that you could not trace very long back then if at all, he might have also used some of the masking agents that were popular back in the day (Mike Christian anyone ?).
There is also a photo out there where it can be seen that Mike has a bitch tit - strange for a guy that is a lifelong natural.

I think Shawn Ray beating Mike Ashley and Mike taking the title from the "cheater" is very ironic. It is like in the 88 Olympics where Carl Lewis who has been proven to have used all kind of stuff took the gold medal from Ben Johnson who might have been taking less than Carl.

bailey,

I heard that stuff, too. I think it was Jean Paul Guillaume who was appalled at what Mike Ashley was doing on the side while claiming to be natural.

bailey · « **Reply #34 on:** March 21, 2006, 04:15:55 AM »

BINGO !!!

growth · « **Reply #35 on:** March 21, 2006, 05:11:08 AM »

Quote from: bailey on March 21, 2006, 04:15:55 AM

BINGO !!!

So much about another one of our natural heroes

Maybe Mike was natural at some point in his BB career and he might have been on less stuff than others but I tend to doubt very strongly his proclaimed lifelong drug free status.

And regarding the food log: Andy Muenzer kept one too, he was very meticulous about it and did I mention he passed a drug test, too ?

terryb · « **Reply #36 on:** March 21, 2006, 06:55:28 AM »

Brian Buchanan has a stall in islington market London selling west Indian food,he still looks massive but has not trained for years and has no intention of doing so .and looks very Heathy

Adam Empire · « **Reply #37 on:** March 21, 2006, 07:11:54 AM »

Also, many "naturals" will take clen, cytomel, etc. I guess that means they're natural, but it certainly helps them maintain nuch more muscle.'

I'm not saying that was done here - but we all know that the term natural means different things to different people (ask Gustavo about his arms).

Shawn Ray · « **Reply #38 on:** March 21, 2006, 07:30:44 AM »

Mike said he was All Natural, what;'s not to believe?
Who am "I" to question whether he was lying or not?
Why would he Lie?
He looked Natural to me. $:-\$
Peace,
S. Ray

Special Ed · « **Reply #39 on:** March 21, 2006, 07:37:11 AM »

Quote from: Shawn Ray on March 21, 2006, 07:30:44 AM

Mike said he was All Natural, what;'s not to believe?
Who am "I" to question whether he was lying or not?
Why would he Lie?
He looked Natural to me. $:-\$
Peace,
S. Ray

Why would he lie??? I think the dust in your empty pocket can think of 60,000 reasons, Shawn.

Special "99% Drug Free" Ed

Shawn Ray · « **Reply #40 on:** March 21, 2006, 08:00:54 AM »

Mike didn't have a say in the Results of the Drug test?
Mike Christian passed the Test too and he NEVER claimed to be natural and had inside info regarding passing the test I later learned after he stopped competing.
Now when you associate Balco, Victor Conte and Ashley together prior to the Arnold, you have to ask yourself............Why would Mike lie about being Natural?
Why would he Not pass a Drug test?
Things that make you go.............Hhhhhhhhh hhmmmmmmmmmm
The light shines in Dark places eentually the truth comes out. $:-\$

Special Ed · « **Reply #41 on:** March 21, 2006, 08:07:20 AM »

You also have to remember that 80% of the pub Ashley got was due to his "natural" status.

Barry Bonds and Mike Ashley are the two greatest self-proclaimed naturals of all time!

Special "74 Homers or Bust" Ed

Adam Empire · « **Reply #42 on:** March 21, 2006, 08:39:21 AM »

I think Bonds' "natural" statement was meant to be like Gustavos'. Nothing additional to roids were used...

buffbodz · « **Reply #43 on:** March 21, 2006, 08:43:37 AM »

The other Natural, Skip LaCour, has a twin brother who is as genetically gifted as Skip. He looks like he's on and trains is ass off, but he doesn't. Now if Skip can look like he does and he's religious about dieting, even how much salt he puts on food, that he travels with a George Forman Grill and a rice steamer. Mike could be the genetic freak that Skip is. I never believed it till I saw him with his bro at a show where he was guest posing and his brother was selling Skips pics and AST sups at a booth. When Skip came and took over it looked like the same guy in baggies. Genetics are a 1 in 1000 shot, but some people just have to look at a weight and they grow. I hate the pricks.

LLES · « **Reply #44 on:** March 21, 2006, 12:29:18 PM »

I personally asked a few IFBB pro's about Mike's claim & they all had the same answer, " Well, I guess he could be considered natural, Cause growth hormone is not considered a steroid." Words to that effect. Looking at him, that jaw-line & forehead look suspect. You can't see it in these photo's, but the man had the pointiest elbow's I ever saw which is supposedly another sign.

ANAL DISCHARGE · « **Reply #45 on:** March 21, 2006, 01:12:38 PM »

Quote from: Shawn Ray on March 20, 2006, 05:44:08 AM

Mike, I want my Arnold Trophy BACK!
Can a brutha get some Change too!
ARE WE CLEAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Natural or not, he passed the test, you messed up.

gdavidx28 · « **Reply #46 on:** March 21, 2006, 02:02:35 PM »

Shawn is being very diplomatic. Mike was not natural, everyone knew it.As far as Skip La Cour being natural, hes as natural as Mike Ashley.

brianX · « **Reply #47 on:** March 21, 2006, 02:59:36 PM »

Quote from: Special Ed on March 20, 2006, 07:51:02 PM

Think about it. The Ashley of 1986 was light years ahead of the absolute best natural competitor in 2006 - TWENTY YEARS of knowledge, superior supplementation, more efficient machines, and egg whites in a jar, and no one even remotely resembles this guy's level of muscle, density and condition. Bitch please!

Very dumb post. Training knowledge hasn't increased, machines have gotten worse, and supplements make very little difference.

Also, I don't see how he's "light years" ahead of today's natural competitors. He can't weigh much over 200 in those photos.

theworm · « **Reply #48 on:** March 21, 2006, 03:07:40 PM »

I thought Ashley admitted to using in a Muscle Mag article around 2001-2? He said he was natural, but then would use for only like 10 weeks prior to a contest. He said people would see him 'off' and be like "man, I can beat this guy." Then he would use for 2 and a half months and win. Anyone else ever read this? Maybe being on for only 2 months, he called himself natural?

dknole · « **Reply #49 on:** March 21, 2006, 03:11:26 PM »

I have known Mike for years and he has always looked the same - even now that he has not competed in about 10 years.

Shawn, stop crying and get providing for your family (2nd on the way, right?). With the questionable supplements you promote for Vyotech with NO scientific basis or substaniation, you should not be calling out anyone.