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Re: Untouchable
« Reply #100 on: April 01, 2006, 08:13:01 AM »
Thanks for informing us of what's been said no more than 962 times in previous posts. Brilliant. ::)


 That's what message boards are all about. If we restricted Getbig to original arguments then we would find ourselves with little to write about ;D.

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Re: Untouchable
« Reply #101 on: April 01, 2006, 08:22:40 AM »
This has become Louis vs. Ali, or Ali vs. Tyson ...

Bodybuilding, though, so no one gives a shit.

'Cept here, of course.

 

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Re: Untouchable
« Reply #102 on: April 01, 2006, 08:42:21 AM »
I guess the Mr Olympia judges were brainwashed too , and the writers for all the bodybuilding magazines , bottom line , whether you like his physique or not , no one can deny Dorian was a winner , right from the get go , he entered 17 Pro contests and won 15 of them , thats a 88% win average , he never placed lower than second in a contest , and was only beaten twice , he dominated the sport at the time he competed , he changed the standard for years to come , he was so much better than he needed to be to win , to call him overrated his nonsense ,
if you don't like his physique thats fine but do say he was overrated shows your biased and your lack of knowlege , almost 10 years after he retired he is still being talked about.

see that is where you are dead wrong. I have a musclemag from 1994 and it TRASHES Yates in the 1994 Olympia. You can't believe everything you read, especially from WEIDER sources. You really think that Flex magazine is going to trash its Mr. Olympia?? I don't think so.  You can't change this fact:

Yates in 1994, 1996 and 1997 was about as flawed as a Mr. Olympia can get.  Far more glaring flaws than Ronnie ever had, even at his worst, and the flaws were on MAJOR bodyparts, like arms and legs, not minor ones that the judges and everyone else doesn't care about, like calves.. Refer to my list of 14-odd things if you need to refresh you memory.

And, I laugh at how you call me biased, this coming from someone who has argued the most BIZARRE arguments on bb message board history (and most of them involving trashing Ronnie (arms, quads etc) against people with clearly inferior ones (eg. Yates arms, whom you argued were better than Ronnie's, and arnolds toothpicks, just to name a few) ::)

You have become so desparate in your attempt to argue that 1994 yates was amazing that you have to use quotes from a weider-owned publication to support your arguments.

You can't even use Yates actual physique.

That is the very definition of desperation
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Re: Untouchable
« Reply #103 on: April 01, 2006, 08:51:27 AM »

dorian never clearly lost an olympia like ronnie did in 2001 !

you can bitch all ya like... doz was injured and f'ucked but still trounced the moanin oposition in his 'bad' years.

ronnie was so thoroughly pwned in 2001 he even signalled defeat to the crowd before jay was robbed blind .. how f'uckin sad is that .. the champ onstage admittin defeat !!

and his pityful excuse/facesave afterwards tryin to explain away his 'second place wave' was f'uckin hilarious and downright sad !



 

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Re: Untouchable
« Reply #104 on: April 01, 2006, 08:52:07 AM »
You have become so desparate in your attempt to argue that 1994 yates was amazing

And you continue to desperately refute.

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Re: Untouchable
« Reply #105 on: April 01, 2006, 08:54:02 AM »
All this jerkin' ... ain't nobody cum yet?

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Re: Untouchable
« Reply #106 on: April 01, 2006, 09:03:58 AM »
And you continue to desperately refute.

I agree - I should stop now. ND is the only one who actually thinks that Yates in 1994 was amazing.

Crack can do that to a man.
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Re: Untouchable
« Reply #107 on: April 01, 2006, 09:08:06 AM »
Defense rests.

Verdict: Still no one gives a shit. Unanimous.

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Re: Untouchable
« Reply #108 on: April 01, 2006, 09:14:38 AM »
I don't know how old a lot of you are here but I can say from personal experience that in Yate's day there was a LOT of backlash from his 94,96 and 97 "wins". The argument them was the same as it is now......People who look at guys like Ray,Levrone and Wheeler and sctratch their heads wondering how a misshapen blob of muscle like Yates constantly beats them. This is countered by people spouting the company line about Yate's "unreal density" and other variations of that bullshit. Nothing's changed in the past ten years.


"He's missing a bicep."

"Yeah,but look at his back!!!!"

"Yes, that's impressive but he's missing a bicep."

""Pictures don't tell the whole story, his density is unreal!!!!"

"That's wonderful, but now he's missing a bicep AND a tricep."

"Yeah, but he's a true Iron Warrior!!!!!"


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Re: Untouchable
« Reply #109 on: April 01, 2006, 09:17:11 AM »
Apparently the case is already being appealed.

 

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Re: Untouchable
« Reply #110 on: April 01, 2006, 09:50:20 AM »
I don't know how old a lot of you are here but I can say from personal experience that in Yate's day there was a LOT of backlash from his 94,96 and 97 "wins". The argument them was the same as it is now......People who look at guys like Ray,Levrone and Wheeler and sctratch their heads wondering how a misshapen blob of muscle like Yates constantly beats them. This is countered by people spouting the company line about Yate's "unreal density" and other variations of that bullshit. Nothing's changed in the past ten years.


"He's missing a bicep."

"Yeah,but look at his back!!!!"

"Yes, that's impressive but he's missing a bicep."

""Pictures don't tell the whole story, his density is unreal!!!!"

"That's wonderful, but now he's missing a bicep AND a tricep."

"Yeah, but he's a true Iron Warrior!!!!!"



torn biceps was only #16 on my list of flaws for the 1994 Yates. Numbers 1 through 15 are still valid ;)
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Re: Untouchable
« Reply #111 on: April 01, 2006, 10:02:47 AM »
I agree - I should stop now. ND is the only one who actually thinks that Yates in 1994 was amazing.

Crack can do that to a man.

Don't presume to speak for me , I don't think Yates in 94 was amazing , he looked like garbage especially compared to 93 , and the last time I check Ironaman Magazine isn't a Weider publication and half those quotes are from Ironman  ;)

You're the biased one by far , you've made the claim Dorian is the most overrated Mr Olympia ever and I'm mearly pointing out that his stats and win percentage and press all contradict your nonsense , compare that to Coleman who , has had 3 very close calls as Mr Olympia , first contest he won by 3 points , second won by 4 points in 2001 , and in 2002 he won by 9 points , in 2004 he won by just 3 points again , out of eight wins only two were with perfect scores , couple that with losing the S.O.S to Gunther , the last Mr Olympia to lose a contest while a Mr Olympia was Sergio to Arnold in 1970 , and overall Dorian faced a much higher quality feild than Ronnie . and Ronnie's win percentage is just 57% , now you tell me who the overrated Mr Olympia is  ;)

I'm not a huge fan of Dorian's physique , when he competed in 91/92 he looked much better , I would have much prefered Flex Wheeler to beat Yates , it didn't happen , but to say Yates is the most overrated Mr Olympia ever is biased and luaghable , it shows you don't know what you're talking about and still have much to learn .

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Re: Untouchable
« Reply #112 on: April 01, 2006, 10:11:28 AM »
dorian never clearly lost an olympia like ronnie did in 2001 !

you can bitch all ya like... doz was injured and f'ucked but still trounced the moanin oposition in his 'bad' years.

ronnie was so thoroughly pwned in 2001 he even signalled defeat to the crowd before jay was robbed blind .. how f'uckin sad is that .. the champ onstage admittin defeat !!

and his pityful excuse/facesave afterwards tryin to explain away his 'second place wave' was f'uckin hilarious and downright sad !



 

 Dorian was clearly defeated in the eyes on anyone who values aesthetics. Ronnie didn't lose in 2001 because an argument could be made for him winning the muscularity, posing and posedown rounds. That would have still given him the win.

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Re: Untouchable
« Reply #113 on: April 01, 2006, 10:12:39 AM »
not to be a dick but actually the last mr. o to loose a show while he was mr. o was samir when he lost the mr. o in 1984.

I think everyone needs to stop with the "smoking crack" bullshit..ha, ha very funny ronnie came up with a good one now everyone uses it, it ain't funny..it's just fucking lame.
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Re: Untouchable
« Reply #114 on: April 01, 2006, 10:14:59 AM »
not to be a dick but actually the last mr. o to loose a show while he was mr. o was samir when he lost the mr. o in 1984.

I think everyone needs to stop with the "smoking crack" bullshit..ha, ha very funny ronnie came up with a good one now everyone uses it, it ain't funny..it's just fucking lame.

I meant a none-Olympia contest

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Re: Untouchable
« Reply #115 on: April 01, 2006, 10:15:12 AM »
Dorian was clearly defeated in the eyes on anyone who values aesthetics. Ronnie didn't lose in 2001 because an argument could be made for him winning the muscularity, posing and posedown rounds. That would have still given him the win.

did Ronnie win the muscularity round?  If he did that's bullshit, no way no how did he win that round at that show.  Posing?  I've never seen the tape but if Ronnie outposed Jay...that's pretty bad for Jay, Ronnie is not really a good poser, is he?  
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Re: Untouchable
« Reply #116 on: April 01, 2006, 10:16:47 AM »
I meant a none-Olympia contest

sorry bout that.
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Re: Untouchable
« Reply #117 on: April 01, 2006, 10:16:58 AM »
Don't presume to speak for me , I don't think Yates in 94 was amazing , he looked like garbage especially compared to 93 , and the last time I check Ironaman Magazine isn't a Weider publication and half those quotes are from Ironman  ;)

You're the biased one by far , you've made the claim Dorian is the most overrated Mr Olympia ever and I'm mearly pointing out that his stats and win percentage and press all contradict your nonsense , compare that to Coleman who , has had 3 very close calls as Mr Olympia , first contest he won by 3 points , second won by 4 points in 2001 , and in 2002 he won by 9 points , in 2004 he won by just 3 points again , out of eight wins only two were with perfect scores , couple that with losing the S.O.S to Gunther , the last Mr Olympia to lose a contest while a Mr Olympia was Sergio to Arnold in 1970 , and overall Dorian faced a much higher quality feild than Ronnie . and Ronnie's win percentage is just 57% , now you tell me who the overrated Mr Olympia is  ;)

I'm not a huge fan of Dorian's physique , when he competed in 91/92 he looked much better , I would have much prefered Flex Wheeler to beat Yates , it didn't happen , but to say Yates is the most overrated Mr Olympia ever is biased and luaghable , it shows you don't know what you're talking about and still have much to learn .

 Dorian should have lost for the same reason Ronnie should have. Neither should be winning the symmetry round and it is debatable that they should win the posing or posedown rounds. I know the physique is judged in the posing and posedown rounds, but if the symmetry round were judged reasonably, a case could be made for the winner of that round to possible win the final two rounds, or at least split them with the winner of the muscularity round.

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Re: Untouchable
« Reply #118 on: April 01, 2006, 10:21:05 AM »
did Ronnie win the muscularity round?  If he did that's bullshit, no way no how did he win that round at that show.  Posing?  I've never seen the tape but if Ronnie outposed Jay...that's pretty bad for Jay, Ronnie is not really a good poser, is he?  

 Ronnie didn't win the muscularity round, and he wasn't as muscular that day as Jay was, in my opinion. Him winning the posing round was bullshit. The IFBB claims that the physique is all that is judged during the posing round, and Jay won the muscularity and symmetry rounds, so how did he not win the posing round? The judges claimed he didn't look confident enough. This is why bodybuilding is not a sport. Could you lose a football game after you scored the winning goal/touchdown  because you didn't look confident enough doing it? ::)

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Re: Untouchable
« Reply #119 on: April 01, 2006, 10:21:29 AM »
 ND, use your brain man: the fact that dorian won so often only ADDS STRENGTH to the argument that he was overrated, not detract from it.

If he lost a lot, given his flaws, he wouldn't have been overrated. He would have got what he deserved based on his physique. But he won all the time with some of the most glaring flaws of any Mr. O (arms, quads, taper etc.)
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Re: Untouchable
« Reply #120 on: April 01, 2006, 10:24:53 AM »

Blah, blah, blah ...

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Re: Untouchable
« Reply #121 on: April 01, 2006, 10:28:46 AM »
Blah, blah, blah ...

 Ahhh, dude. That was so weak.

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Re: Untouchable
« Reply #122 on: April 01, 2006, 10:35:22 AM »
Sorry, had to be done.

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Re: Untouchable
« Reply #123 on: April 01, 2006, 10:45:55 AM »
ND, use your brain man: the fact that dorian won so often only ADDS STRENGTH to the argument that he was overrated, not detract from it.

If he lost a lot, given his flaws, he wouldn't have been overrated. He would have got what he deserved based on his physique. But he won all the time with some of the most glaring flaws of any Mr. O (arms, quads, taper etc.)


Okay let me get this straight , 15 wins out of 17 contests , thats an 88% win rate , he never placed below 2nd in a Pro contest , he raise the bar in 93 and set new standards , dominated among the highest quality feilds of competitors ever , beat the greatest Mr Olympia in the muscularity round in his FIRST Mr Olympia contest , and he is the most overrated Mr Olympia ever? yup I like your logic lol Hulkster for you to say you don't like his physique is fine , for you to say he should have lost in 94 is again fine , to say he was the most overrated of all time just projects how misinformed and clueless you really are , on occasion you have made a few valid points but this isn't one of them , go back to the drawing board and keep working.

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Re: Untouchable
« Reply #124 on: April 01, 2006, 10:49:41 AM »
Even the mods can't stand to read this shit anymore. There's still a dude jerkin' off a few posts back.