Trump = Winning

[chaos]

The people want voter ID, must be Trumps fault!!!
Can't let them secure their elections with voter ID before the midterms, it might expose the corruption liberals depend on!!!

Says the canadian.

[Necrosis]

The guy already tried to steal an election, he is on track to lose a shit ton of power and is trying to gain more control of elections from states. You aren't too bright are ya

[chaos]

THE PEOPLE: WE OVERWHELMINGLY WANT SECURE ELECTIONS AND VOTER ID!!!
Liberals: We have to stop voter ID because Trump!!!

Liberals are such horrible humans. Just disgusting, vile creatures that should be sent to reeducation camps.

[Necrosis]

your elections are secure lolol

what evidence do you have they aren't?

its a grift, just like everything else he does.

Let's allow the guy who tried to stop the peaceful transfer of power to hold sway over elections. lol. Not stupid at all. I am sure he won't try and use it for nefarious reasons.

Do it properly, like a grown up.

[Necrosis]

https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/judge-says-trumps-federal-takeover-of-mail-in-voting-is-unconstitutional-and-states-cannot-feasibly-comply-with-proposed-rule-in-time-for-upcoming-midterm-elections/

no kidding. Everything this guy tries is retarded and incompetent.

[Grape Ape]

your elections are secure lolol

what evidence do you have they aren't?

its a grift, just like everything else he does.

Let's allow the guy who tried to stop the peaceful transfer of power to hold sway over elections. lol. Not stupid at all. I am sure he won't try and use it for nefarious reasons.

Do it properly, like a grown up.

Doesn't matter.

Perception > reality.

And we've gone over this.  What "evidence" has been produced during an investigation that shows 5 ballots going to chaos?

None, so I guess that means there's no fraud or potential for it.

[IroNat]

Necro,
How many jobs has Carney created in Canada so far this year?

[IroNat]

Foreign-Born Population in U.S. Shrinks by 2.9 Million amid Trump Crackdown

https://www.breitbart.com/immigration/2026/09/04/report-foreign-born-population-shrinks-by-2-9-million-amid-trump-crackdown/

[Necrosis]

Doesn't matter.

Perception > reality.

And we've gone over this.  What "evidence" has been produced during an investigation that shows 5 ballots going to chaos?

None, so I guess that means there's no fraud or potential for it.

Thats not how evidence works. N of 1 isn't an argument. Only well designed studies can reach generalization which have been done with the opposite finding to what chaos is claiming.

Those type of studies are statistically more rigorous and sound. They test for validity

[Grape Ape]

Thats not how evidence works. N of 1 isn't an argument. Only well designed studies can reach generalization which have been done with the opposite finding to what chaos is claiming.

Those type of studies are statistically more rigorous and sound. They test for validity

Doesn't solve the perception problem.

Either way, show me the study that shows specifically that mail in ballots aren't producing fraud or make fraud more feasible.

[chaos]

Doesn't solve the perception problem.

Either way, show me the study that shows specifically that mail in ballots aren't producing fraud or make fraud more feasible.

Can you link those "well designed studies" that show the US elections are secure?

Over 80% of the US population wants some form of voter ID.
BUT TRUMP!!!!

[Necrosis]

I see you don't like logic lol

If you keep saying the same thing over and over it eventually becomes true. Stop being so intellectually lazy and dig a little deeper.

Most americans thinks immigration is good, by your logic you should open the borders right? no context or nuance needed huh?

https://news.gallup.com/poll/1660/immigration.aspx

[chaos]

[Gym Rat]

I see you don't like logic lol

If you keep saying the same thing over and over it eventually becomes true. Stop being so intellectually lazy and dig a little deeper.

Most americans thinks immigration is good, by your logic you should open the borders right? no context or nuance needed huh?

https://news.gallup.com/poll/1660/immigration.aspx

You argue politics 24x7 (on a retarded BB forum) and speak of logic? If you had logic you would not be here.
No one normal hangs out here, and the worst of the worst cry 24x7 about their political hang=ups...

You are a lonely, insane retard (like Funk) who is just crippled (mentally or phsically) and really just have nothing else.
its comical to watch.. The daily cries, mentldowns, arguments...  LOL   

Time to move on retard...

[funk51]

You argue politics 24x7 (on a retarded BB forum) and speak of logic? If you had logic you would not be here.
No one normal hangs out here, and the worst of the worst cry 24x7 about their political hang=ups...

You are a lonely, insane retard (like Funk) who is just crippled (mentally or phsically) and really just have nothing else.
its comical to watch.. The daily cries, mentldowns, arguments...  LOL   

Time to move on retard...

  Good one Gr, if it's so stupid to be here WHY are you here ?  I don't have Mentldowns , whatever that is.  I guess you think you are owning the libturds by gloating over joe biden mental and physical decline. I guess that makes you feel better about yourself. If it does good for you. everyone on here knows you are one sick bastard. As for me I just don't give a shit, I could care less the shit you spew on here on a daily basis. make 100 I hate Joe Biden, pantshitter threads, it really doesn't matter to me. in the end there is little either of us can do about who's in power. to me they are all shit, money grubbing scums of the earth, I hope this was helpful to you. and as always have a nice day.

[Necrosis]

You argue politics 24x7 (on a retarded BB forum) and speak of logic? If you had logic you would not be here.
No one normal hangs out here, and the worst of the worst cry 24x7 about their political hang=ups...

You are a lonely, insane retard (like Funk) who is just crippled (mentally or phsically) and really just have nothing else.
its comical to watch.. The daily cries, mentldowns, arguments...  LOL   

Time to move on retard...

Projection:

Psychology Definition: An unconscious defense mechanism where a person attributes their own unacceptable thoughts, feelings, or impulses to someone else.

I am sorry should I watch some tv shows like you and focus on my biceps? What do you recommend for a full life? you sound like a letzermensch tbh.

Every message board is populated by retards lol.

[chaos]

I'm rubber, you're glue!!!
 

[Primemuscle]

Government run social programs are not socialism in the classical or economical sense.  Public libraries, fire departments, etc aren't either.  Nobody wants to get rid of that.

The socialism that those are concerned about are the gov't seizing the means of production, state ownership of factories, banks, etc....suppressed private enterprise.

This is the stuff we are hearing from folks like Mamdani's housing bitch, etc.

Conflating them is similar to what the left does with legal and illegal immigration.

When referring to the political definition of socialism, you are correct. I was talking about social services. These are often provided by government agencies, individuals, and various organizations. Lots of people claim they want to do away with social services. To say nobody wants to get rid of these is not correct. Many of these folks are the same people who complain about taxes, government fees and levies, which is how social services are funded.

I was not conflating the various interpretations of socialism. In what way does the left attempt to conflate legal and illegal immigration?







What is there to conflate? The core difference between legal or illegal immigrant is simple:  Legal immigrant = documented immigrant verses illegal immigrant = undocumented immigrant.

illegal immigrant
Undocumented immigrants, illegal immigrants are aliens who enter or remain in a country unlawfully. The category of “illegal immigrant” contrasts with “legal” or “documented” immigrants who enter a country through the proper channels. Under United States immigration law, a person can become an illegal immigrant by entering the country without an immigration inspection, entering the country fraudulently, or entering the country with a valid visa but remaining after the expiration of the visa.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/illegal_immigrant

The problem arises when someone (Trump) tries to change the constitution to suit their immigration agenda.

The Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution guarantees birthright citizenship to every child born “within the jurisdiction of the United States.”1 The 1898 Supreme Court case of United States v. Wong Kim Ark established an important precedent in its interpretation of the Citizenship Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment in that it cemented birthright citizenship for children of all immigrants.

https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/fact-sheet/birthright-citizenship-united-states/

[Coach is Back!]

When referring to the political definition of socialism, you are correct. I was talking about social services. These are often provided by government agencies, individuals, and various organizations. Lots of people claim they want to do away with social services. To say nobody wants to get rid of these is not correct. Many of these folks are the same people who complain about taxes, government fees and levies, which is how social services are funded.

I was not conflating the various interpretations of socialism. In what way does the left attempt to conflate legal and illegal immigration?







What is there to conflate? The core difference between legal or illegal immigrant is simple:  Legal immigrant = documented immigrant verses illegal immigrant = undocumented immigrant.

illegal immigrant
Undocumented immigrants, illegal immigrants are aliens who enter or remain in a country unlawfully. The category of “illegal immigrant” contrasts with “legal” or “documented” immigrants who enter a country through the proper channels. Under United States immigration law, a person can become an illegal immigrant by entering the country without an immigration inspection, entering the country fraudulently, or entering the country with a valid visa but remaining after the expiration of the visa.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/illegal_immigrant

The problem arises when someone (Trump) tries to change the constitution to suit their immigration agenda.

The Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution guarantees birthright citizenship to every child born “within the jurisdiction of the United States.”1 The 1898 Supreme Court case of United States v. Wong Kim Ark established an important precedent in its interpretation of the Citizenship Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment in that it cemented birthright citizenship for children of all immigrants.

https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/fact-sheet/birthright-citizenship-united-states/

That’s not socialism. We’ve had this discussion many times.

[Coach is Back!]

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[Grape Ape]

When referring to the political definition of socialism, you are correct. I was talking about social services. These are often provided by government agencies, individuals, and various organizations. Lots of people claim they want to do away with social services. To say nobody wants to get rid of these is not correct. Many of these folks are the same people who complain about taxes, government fees and levies, which is how social services are funded.

I was not conflating the various interpretations of socialism. In what way does the left attempt to conflate legal and illegal immigration?

What is there to conflate? The core difference between legal or illegal immigrant is simple:  Legal immigrant = documented immigrant verses illegal immigrant = undocumented immigrant.

You specifically said you are fine with socialism, depending where it "falls on the specutrum".  Then you listed all those things.  Therefore, I drew the conclusion you were conflating social services with socialism.  No biggie.

As for the bolded, I'm not sure if you're serious.  There have been literally thousands of examples of the left saying the right is "anti-immigration", or that this country was "built by immigrants".  The media does this constantly.

This is done to give the impression that the right hates ALL immigration, since they never add the context of illegal / legal.

Here's examples

They often describe Republican positions or rhetoric as broadly “anti-immigrant,” “anti-immigration,” “nativist,” or driven by “hate”/xenophobia, without consistently highlighting the legal/illegal distinction that many Republicans emphasize (support for legal immigration + opposition to illegal entry, overstays, or related enforcement gaps). This can create the impression of blanket opposition to immigration itself.
Specific examples

Rep. Elissa Slotkin (D-MI): In a 2025 New York Times interview, she said Republicans are “fomenting anti-immigrant hate as a policy and a strategy.” She contrasted this with the view that America needs immigration but through “legal, vetted channels,” while criticizing Democrats for being too hesitant to say not everyone has a right to live in the U.S. The “anti-immigrant hate” label was applied to the GOP position overall.

Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY): She has repeatedly framed GOP approaches as xenophobic or anti-immigrant. In a 2024 MSNBC interview, she described Republicans as “xenophobic and anti-immigrant” while promoting a “false narrative” about a border crisis, linking it to animosity, destruction, and racism. She has also posted and spoken about Republicans “scapegoating immigrants” and elevated “anti-immigrant & anti-Latino rhetoric.” These statements often treat opposition to current border/enforcement policies as hostility toward immigrants generally rather than specifically illegal entries or related issues.

Nancy Pelosi (former House Speaker): She has referred to Republican legislation and agendas as reflecting an “extreme, ineffective, anti-immigrant agenda,” “anti-immigrant cruelty,” and “cruel and partisan assaults from anti-immigrant forces” (e.g., regarding bills involving deportation of certain individuals, border wall funding, or challenges to DACA). These characterizations typically do not foreground any Republican support for legal pathways.

Broader media and progressive commentary: Outlets and figures on the left frequently describe Republican rhetoric/policies (wall, deportations, restrictions on asylum/parole, or criticism of high illegal crossings) as “anti-immigrant,” “nativist,” or xenophobic without the legal/illegal qualifier. For instance, coverage and advocacy often collapse distinctions, and style-guide shifts away from terms like “illegal immigrant” (adopted by some major outlets) reinforce a framing that treats enforcement concerns as inherently anti-immigrant. Progressive voices have also argued against the legal/illegal distinction itself as “bogus,” which blurs the lines further in public discourse.

[chaos]

You specifically said you are fine with socialism, depending where it "falls on the specutrum".  Then you listed all those things.  Therefore, I drew the conclusion you were conflating social services with socialism.  No biggie.

As for the bolded, I'm not sure if you're serious.  There have been literally thousands of examples of the left saying the right is "anti-immigration", or that this country was "built by immigrants".  The media does this constantly.

This is done to give the impression that the right hates ALL immigration, since they never add the context of illegal / legal.

Here's examples

He's not the first liberal to call social service programs socialism. It's what they do when they get too far lost and start calling themselves Democrat Socialists of America. Our younger generations are in a huge struggle, caught between common sense and the extremes that the media has pushed their whole lives.

[Coach is Back!]

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[illuminati]

He's not the first liberal to call social service programs socialism. It's what they do when they get too far lost and start calling themselves Democrat Socialists of America. Our younger generations are in a huge struggle, caught between common sense and the extremes that the media has pushed their whole lives.

Just like all the rest of the idiot Leftists he spouts any sttupid crap
too try & make the leftist look good. 

[Necrosis]

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Dude lol

You can't be serious with this video. The guy is saying the most basic non-sense with zero nuance at all.

You have trump investing government money in private businesses, you know how much stock the government owned before trump?