Atheism Is Pure BS

[joswift]

so he's trying to draw the correlation that because mathematics is invented by man/humans that it's the same thing as god being made up by humans/man? Because something is "mind dependent" then it can all be true just if we made it up? Since man made math up as well  very simplistic conclusion there lol

Difference here is mathematics can be proven so it's not really methaphysical.the reality of mathematics can be proven on a daily basis. The computer you type on now it's system language is based and built on mathematics. The money in your bank account it's counted for in a mathematical system.

God is not proven it's just conceptual thought people have.

Conceptual methaphysical vs Proven theory.

I mean I say that santa clause is real and that he will come flying with raindeers, come down the chimney and hand me the presents I've been wanting. It doesn't make it reality. If I say I still believe it adults will just think I'm etiher joking or I'm severly retarded to the level of a 5-6 year old(or probably lower). The thing with God is for me the same thing.

we discovered mathematics, we didnt make it up

A bit like gravity, gravity exists absent the human mind.

[MuscleBuff]

I am pretty sure it's all a big nothing,  however I also get really irritated by people who pretend like only dumb simpletons are believers. My dad is one of those arrogant bastards who mindlessly repeats slogans like "religion is opium for the masses" and he says it in a way that you can tell he feels very proud and superior. Makes me rage somehow I guess just at the arrogance of that statement. There are world class chemists, biologists, geneticists and so on and so forth in the current era who believe it all. And of course many of history's most brilliant people like Newton were believers. Which of course doesn't mean that any of the stuff is real, but it shows that the arrogance is inappropriate. Just imho

[MAXX]

we discovered mathematics, we didnt make it up

A bit like gravity, gravity exists absent the human mind.

It was Andrews choice of word. Anyways that is 'kind of true'. The systems used, that we have today is man-made. It would likely look completly different if an alien specie did it, math equations and base-number systems etc.

For example we use the decimal system. Just based on that we have 10 fingers. Different civilazations through times has used other base systems. Like the Mayans they used 20, based on that we have 10 fingers and 10 toes.

[Van_Bilderass]

I am pretty sure it's all a big nothing,  however I also get really irritated by people who pretend like only dumb simpletons are believers. My dad is one of those arrogant bastards who mindlessly repeats slogans like "religion is opium for the masses" and he says it in a way that you can tell he feels very proud and superior. Makes me rage somehow I guess just at the arrogance of that statement. There are world class chemists, biologists, geneticists and so on and so forth in the current era who believe it all. And of course many of history's most brilliant people like Newton were believers. Which of course doesn't mean that any of the stuff is real, but it shows that the arrogance is inappropriate. Just imho

And then you of course have all these different conceptions of what God actually is.
In my simplistic mind you kind of can't discuss religious topics using pure logic or rationalism or whatever you want to call it. It's a different language almost.

The classic "Spinoza's God". So did Einstein believe in God or not?

"Believing in Spinoza's God means seeing God as synonymous with Nature itself—the one, infinite, all-encompassing substance and the lawful, harmonious structure of the universe, rather than a personal, intervening deity who answers prayers. It's a deep appreciation for the rational order, beauty, and interconnectedness of existence, viewing natural laws as divine expressions, a concept famously embraced by Albert Einstein."