Atheism Is Pure BS

[joswift]

so he's trying to draw the correlation that because mathematics is invented by man/humans that it's the same thing as god being made up by humans/man? Because something is "mind dependent" then it can all be true just if we made it up? Since man made math up as well  very simplistic conclusion there lol

Difference here is mathematics can be proven so it's not really methaphysical.the reality of mathematics can be proven on a daily basis. The computer you type on now it's system language is based and built on mathematics. The money in your bank account it's counted for in a mathematical system.

God is not proven it's just conceptual thought people have.

Conceptual methaphysical vs Proven theory.

I mean I say that santa clause is real and that he will come flying with raindeers, come down the chimney and hand me the presents I've been wanting. It doesn't make it reality. If I say I still believe it adults will just think I'm etiher joking or I'm severly retarded to the level of a 5-6 year old(or probably lower). The thing with God is for me the same thing.

we discovered mathematics, we didnt make it up

A bit like gravity, gravity exists absent the human mind.

[MuscleBuff]

I am pretty sure it's all a big nothing,  however I also get really irritated by people who pretend like only dumb simpletons are believers. My dad is one of those arrogant bastards who mindlessly repeats slogans like "religion is opium for the masses" and he says it in a way that you can tell he feels very proud and superior. Makes me rage somehow I guess just at the arrogance of that statement. There are world class chemists, biologists, geneticists and so on and so forth in the current era who believe it all. And of course many of history's most brilliant people like Newton were believers. Which of course doesn't mean that any of the stuff is real, but it shows that the arrogance is inappropriate. Just imho

[MAXX]

we discovered mathematics, we didnt make it up

A bit like gravity, gravity exists absent the human mind.

It was Andrews choice of word. Anyways that is 'kind of true'. The systems used, that we have today is man-made. It would likely look completly different if an alien specie did it, math equations and base-number systems etc.

For example we use the decimal system. Just based on that we have 10 fingers. Different civilazations through times has used other base systems. Like the Mayans they used 20, based on that we have 10 fingers and 10 toes.

[Van_Bilderass]

I am pretty sure it's all a big nothing,  however I also get really irritated by people who pretend like only dumb simpletons are believers. My dad is one of those arrogant bastards who mindlessly repeats slogans like "religion is opium for the masses" and he says it in a way that you can tell he feels very proud and superior. Makes me rage somehow I guess just at the arrogance of that statement. There are world class chemists, biologists, geneticists and so on and so forth in the current era who believe it all. And of course many of history's most brilliant people like Newton were believers. Which of course doesn't mean that any of the stuff is real, but it shows that the arrogance is inappropriate. Just imho

And then you of course have all these different conceptions of what God actually is.
In my simplistic mind you kind of can't discuss religious topics using pure logic or rationalism or whatever you want to call it. It's a different language almost.

The classic "Spinoza's God". So did Einstein believe in God or not?

"Believing in Spinoza's God means seeing God as synonymous with Nature itself—the one, infinite, all-encompassing substance and the lawful, harmonious structure of the universe, rather than a personal, intervening deity who answers prayers. It's a deep appreciation for the rational order, beauty, and interconnectedness of existence, viewing natural laws as divine expressions, a concept famously embraced by Albert Einstein."

[Humble Narcissist]

I am pretty sure it's all a big nothing,  however I also get really irritated by people who pretend like only dumb simpletons are believers. My dad is one of those arrogant bastards who mindlessly repeats slogans like "religion is opium for the masses" and he says it in a way that you can tell he feels very proud and superior. Makes me rage somehow I guess just at the arrogance of that statement. There are world class chemists, biologists, geneticists and so on and so forth in the current era who believe it all. And of course many of history's most brilliant people like Newton were believers. Which of course doesn't mean that any of the stuff is real, but it shows that the arrogance is inappropriate. Just imho

Good point.

[mops]

So did Einstein believe in God or not?

"Believing in Spinoza's God means seeing God as synonymous with Nature itself—the one, infinite, all-encompassing substance and the lawful, harmonious structure of the universe, rather than a personal, intervening deity who answers prayers. It's a deep appreciation for the rational order, beauty, and interconnectedness of existence, viewing natural laws as divine expressions, a concept famously embraced by Albert Einstein."

Quantum field theory might shed some light on this. In QFT, every fundamental particle is basically a little ripple in its corresponding field that fills all of space, and the smallest possible excitations of those fields show up to us as particles.

A field = something that assigns a value to every point in space.

If anyone’s curious, it might be worth first asking what life actually is. Erwin Schrödinger has this great book called What Is Life? where he takes the idea that "biology is basically applied physics" and uses key concepts from thermodynamics and statistical mechanics to break it down.

https://herba.msu.ru/shipunov/school/univ_110/papers/schroedinger1944_what_is_life.pdf


A remarkable read

[King Shizzo]

This best describes the creed I live by...In any case I believe it takes more effort to be an atheist, than an agnostic or a believer.

[joswift]

the meaning of life

"Enjoy the ride"

[MuscleBuff]

This best describes the creed I live by...In any case I believe it takes more effort to be an atheist, than an agnostic or a believer.

Great quote/slogan, but not more than that. If you break it down it seems like a gross oversimplification.

Let's say it's all real: most Christians will go to hell, they don't even come close to living up to the standards.

Let's say it's all fake: your entire life was a lie, all that time spent in church, studying and debating make-believe. All those opportunities missed.

[Griffith]

Great quote/slogan, but not more than that. If you break it down it seems like a gross oversimplification.

Let's say it's all real: most Christians will go to hell, they don't even come close to living up to the standards.

Let's say it's all fake: your entire life was a lie, all that time spent in church, studying and debating make-believe. All those opportunities missed.

Catholics certainly.

[BigRo]

Catholics certainly.

Such a retarded thing to think.

[38 returns]

i am an atheist

I dont believe in god

there are 2,000 gods

the only difference between me and a muslim/ jew/ christian/ sikh etc is i believe in one less god than they do.

ricky gervais said that- it sums it up to me

[MuscleBuff]

Catholics certainly.

Not all, but lets say 99.9% of them for sure.

[MuscleBuff]

i am an atheist

I dont believe in god

there are 2,000 gods

the only difference between me and a muslim/ jew/ christian/ sikh etc is i believe in one less god than they do.

ricky gervais said that- it sums it up to me

He did not come up with that at all

[Griffith]

Such a retarded thing to think.

Praying to their little carvings of countless dead people in their paganised ways.

From a Christian perspective there is no hope for them.

[38 returns]

i said he said it

i didnt say

ricky gervais came up with this

Stephen F Roberts did

but i heard gervais say it

[BigRo]

Not all, but lets say 99.9% of them for sure.

You have no idea so how can you be so sure? You're the same gimmick "Nobodyinparticular".

[Griffith]

Not all, but lets say 99.99% of them for sure.

Fixed.

And this is still generous.

[BigRo]

Praying to their little carvings of countless dead people in their paganised ways.

From a Christian perspective there is no hope for them.

You do not have a Christian perspective at all.

[MuscleBuff]

Fixed.

And this is still generous.

Yes. It's probably about 100% minus a handful of individuals who have through exceptional merit obtained pardon for being Catholic

[Griffith]

You do not have a Christian perspective at all.

Tell that to the ones praying to and worshipping 'venerating' () idols.

[BigRo]

Tell that to the ones praying to and 'venerating' ( ) idols.

The idea is that the particular saint is closer to God and therefore Jesus, the prayers are for intercession not to replace the source of faith. Francis of Assisi, Teresa of Avila, John of the Cross were mystics of an elite level who knew the Divine intimately and would laugh at your childish condemnation.

[joswift]

Great quote/slogan, but not more than that. If you break it down it seems like a gross oversimplification.

Let's say it's all real: most Christians will go to hell, they don't even come close to living up to the standards.

Let's say it's all fake: your entire life was a lie, all that time spent in church, studying and debating make-believe. All those opportunities missed.

be a catholic, they go to church on Sundays and take communion and they think that absolves them from the sins of the week

Be a kunt as much as you like but go to church on Sunday and you will be fine

[Griffith]

The idea is that the particular saint is closer to God and therefore Jesus, the prayers are for intercession not to replace the source of faith. Francis of Assisi, Teresa of Aliva, John of the Cross were mystics of an elite level who knew the Divine intimately and would laugh at your childish condemnation.

You are describing literal idol worship.

[BigRo]

You are describing literal pagan worship.

Not at all. Many Catholics pray straight to Jesus. Either way you have not gone very deep I can tell.