PDI PRO Qualifier Aug 11-12, 2006 - Orlando, FL

[Shawn Ray]

OK, posedown with:
Phil Heath
Johnny Jackson
Bill Wilmore
Marcus Haley
Darrem Charles
Ahmad Haidar
David Henry
Should I go on?

[Shawn Ray]

 

[Chick]

As long as your looking for the TRUTH, Keith..heres a few facts for ya.

1. Manion wasn't in control after Wayne was ousted...Eric Weider was.

2.-When the 2005 IFBB Pro Division schedule was put together in November 2004, Wayne was still in charge.  Wayne scheduled both contests on the same day.  Wayne was still in the good graces of the IFBB at that point.  In actuality the Pittsburgh Pro was on the schedule 1st, not the way that "XYZ" posted it.

 Also, 1 was a Pro Figure & the other a Pro BB show.  No conflict.  Wayne had scheduled other events like that for years, even before Figure & somebody wanted to run a Pro Fitness show the same weekend as a Pro BB.

3.-Lets talk tradition.  For 6 years Manion has had the IFBB Pittsburgh Pro Fitness/Figure the 1st weekend of May.  3 years as fitness, 3 years as figure.  Also, he's held the NPC Pittsburgh Championships that same weekend  forever!  Hell, when I was in high school when he held it the 1st weekend of May!  So Wayne knew this in advance.  Just like the NOC was always the 3rd weekend of May in NYC.   Just like the Arnold is always the 1st weekend of March.  How could Wayne not know this?

4.-Another thing... when Wayne had his original PD website, if he was AGAINST having the Pittsburgh Pro Figure on the same day, why was it listed on the PD website as the Pro Division Pittsburgh Pro Figure?

  Wayne was hoping Pecker would move against Weiders/IFBB & that he'd be in charge of the Pro Division & have the NPC fall in line as his amateur feeder organization.  All the May contests that year, Pittsburgh, Orlando, NOC & California Pro were listed on the PD website along with the results from the Arnold Classic Weekend as being PD events. Hmmm.....

5.- As to sponsorships & them being in Pittsburgh, well refer to my 1st point.  Every sponsor knows the NPC/IFBB Pittsburgh is the 1st weekend of May & build it into their schedules. I know that to be true when I was with with GNC, as does Greg henry who made the schedule.  Nobody, including Manion, told anybody they couldn't do both events.  There were some companies that were at both.  Strange.... I on't think they were blackballed for that move since that time.

6.-Why would the NPC let James Goad promote another contest when he fucked up this one?  It's not the NPC or the IFBB's responsibility to let him promote contests so he could get money to pay Darrem, Ahmed, etc..
 BTW, Goad has his own company that makes bodybuilding clothing.  I saw him for years at the Nationals in Florida & several south Florida events selling his clothes.  Why didn't he take money from his clothing company to pay the athletes, or whatever job hes employed at?

Bottom line is...thats the responsibility you take on when you agree to promote a pro show.

I realize Wayne was trying to help out in some manner by letting the sanction fee go by the wayside...but you can see where it backfired...and to whose loss?? The ATHLETES, of course.
 And we know that Goad's wasn't the only contest over the years this happened at.  Remember Toronto,anyone?  I don't think that Art Atwood ever received his full payment for 1st place that year & I know the figure competitors got Zero!  The IFBB officials, sans Wayne, even had to pay for their hotel rooms.


Just keeping the facts real here, boys...
 

Still waiting boys......Keith? 240? Bueller? anyone.....?

Exactly what I thought...

[War-Horse]

OK, posedown with:
Phil Heath
Johnny Jackson
Bill Wilmore
Marcus Haley
Darrem Charles
Ahmad Haidar
David Henry
Should I go on?

Those guys are all black !!!!!   Shawns a racsist.

[War-Horse]

Those guys are all black !!!!!   Shawns a racsist.

Except Ahamad....but hows he gonna win with just ab's?

[onlyme]

Yeah...that was cool and all....now address the facts I posted.

Who said they are facts cause you said them.  First off I can bet most of those words came directly from Manion.  Sorry but everytime something comes up where Manion may be at fault you come in with some very in-depth detail and one-sided stories for Manion.  I just don't see how a BB who really didn't do that well in competition and till he became the IFBB rep wasn't in the spotlight would knwo so much behind the scenes information.  I mean if you know this stuff then I would have to say every pro BB knows the same things yet you are the only one who comes in with such detail and describes the whole incident.  Sounds very fishy and strange to me.  I think Manion is telling you what to say.  It's definitely not beyond possiblity. 

So please do not come on here and pretend you are Mr. Knowitall in BB all of a sudden.  You seem to knwo everything about every show that has happened.  SO never state the word "facts" in any of your posts it just doesn't fit your M.O.

And its funny how you post a rebuttle to the post that tells another story that sound way more possible than yours.  Instead of coming on here first to post your bullshit facts as you say.  So when you come up with facts then we will discuss.  And quit calling Manion.  Do something on your own for once.  How can you like being a puppet so much.  We know he looks at this board religiously or JM keeps him up to date.

[onlyme]

240 and Keith are frantically trying to get a hold of Wayne so they can respond to your facts Bobarino.

Lift Stud, are your lips permanantly around Chic's and Shawn ass and your hand doing a reach-a-round.  Cause man you kiss ass more than anyone on here.

[LuciusFox]

Those guys are all black !!!!!   Shawns a racsist.

 Would you like to explain yourself Shawn?

[War-Horse]

Why are there no white fatty guys???    Sugarbeargrahmcracker just put his pic up in "monster back".   I dont see why he cant enter as the "sample of white genetics" guy!!!!

[Tre]

We know he looks at this board religiously...

100% false.

Have you ever taken a look at just how much data (regardless of how accurate it is or is not) is posted here each day?  There just aren't enough hours in the day to do much more than skim a handful of threads each week. 

Anyone who has been around for a while and who has actually paid attention to what was going on can verify a good amount of what Bob posted.  The information about the scheduling is known by practically everyone who is even a fan of bodybuilding, so to suggest that there was some deep, dark conspiracy over scheduling is just nonsense. 

There *are* plenty of conspiracies in and around the IFBB, but this isn't one of them. 

[onlyme]

No you are wrong and someone will come on here to verify.  JM comes on here almost everyday he can.  And dad has others reading too.  Why do you think he is back on Ulcer medication.   

[Disgusted]

100% false.

Have you ever taken a look at just how much data (regardless of how accurate it is or is not) is posted here each day?  There just aren't enough hours in the day to do much more than skim a handful of threads each week. 

Anyone who has been around for a while and who has actually paid attention to what was going on can verify a good amount of what Bob posted.  The information about the scheduling is known by practically everyone who is even a fan of bodybuilding, so to suggest that there was some deep, dark conspiracy over scheduling is just nonsense. 

There *are* plenty of conspiracies in and around the IFBB, but this isn't one of them. 

Well Tre, I know that JM comes here because he told me he does.

[War-Horse]

Why are there no white fatty guys???    Sugarbeargrahmcracker just put his pic up in "monster back".   I dont see why he cant enter as the "sample of white genetics" guy!!!!

We want answers to these terrible accusations.

[Lift Studios]

Lift Stud, are your lips permanantly around Chic's and Shawn ass and your hand doing a reach-a-round.  Cause man you kiss ass more than anyone on here.

God forbid anyone try to be positive. Because you can't face facts, that makes me an ass kisser?

Here's an idea...

[Tre]

Well Tre, I know that JM comes here because he told me he does.

JM does, but I was older talking about the elder Manion.  Unless something has changed in the past year (and I suppose it's possible), he's just not down with the whole internet thing.

Do you guys honestly think Sunday dinner conversation at dad's house consists of talking about what happened on GetBig each week? 

[michael arvilla]

JM does, but I was older talking about the elder Manion.  Unless something has changed in the past year (and I suppose it's possible), he's just not down with the whole internet thing.

Do you guys honestly think Sunday dinner conversation at dad's house consists of talking about what happened on GetBig each week? 

  yes..................... ............(mine does)

[LuciusFox]

  yes..................... ............(mine does)

 Yeah right

[Spicy Shushi]

This just in Jack "Rhino" London has signed an exclusive deal with "rhino iron" in hopes to propel himself back into a top 5 slot at the NOC.

[Spicy Shushi]

You're really trying too hard now

QUite unfunny, I'm afraid.  The PDI doll was awesome.  This is just weak.

 I realize your the blowhard/guy for the PDI and all of Mr. London's announcements typically come from your spout. I'll try to clear all official announcements through you from now on.

How do you feel about your animal going from first to fourth in less then two weeks?

[Chick]

Who said they are facts cause you said them.  First off I can bet most of those words came directly from Manion.  Sorry but everytime something comes up where Manion may be at fault you come in with some very in-depth detail and one-sided stories for Manion.  I just don't see how a BB who really didn't do that well in competition and till he became the IFBB rep wasn't in the spotlight would knwo so much behind the scenes information.  I mean if you know this stuff then I would have to say every pro BB knows the same things yet you are the only one who comes in with such detail and describes the whole incident.  Sounds very fishy and strange to me.  I think Manion is telling you what to say.  It's definitely not beyond possiblity. 

So please do not come on here and pretend you are Mr. Knowitall in BB all of a sudden.  You seem to knwo everything about every show that has happened.  SO never state the word "facts" in any of your posts it just doesn't fit your M.O.

And its funny how you post a rebuttle to the post that tells another story that sound way more possible than yours.  Instead of coming on here first to post your bullshit facts as you say.  So when you come up with facts then we will discuss.  And quit calling Manion.  Do something on your own for once.  How can you like being a puppet so much.  We know he looks at this board religiously or JM keeps him up to date.

If you've followed BB for any length of time...you would know that I've been involved in BB for 27 years now. I was one of the first members of the NPC, and I have always been involved in the behind the scenes, and political side of the sport.

As for "not doing well in competition" as you say...funny, I took 2 runner up spots and an Olympia appearance before making waves and trying to start a union for the athletes...after that...not as well. You do the math.

As for Manion....He and I have had our share of disagreements over the years...and I haven't talked to him since he opted out of our show due to the flu. I've been around plenty, and don't need to talk to Manion to know what has gone down...everyone whos in the loop knows what goes on...YOU are clearly not, and only get one-sided information from Wayne.

Even Wayne can't dispute the items I listed...facts are facts.

[Chick]

How do I feel about Jack London aka Rhino becoming a wellknown name on all the message boards, signing a PDI contract for the NOC and Euro tour, and getting 30,000 hits on his website in less than 2 weeks?

I feel like I'm doing my job.

well known name on the message boards= $0
signing a PDI contract= $0
30,000 hits on website=$0

Doing your job? Just what is your job anyway...?

[Chick]

Damn.  It did take a while to get your pro card, eh?

1987-2000 at the national level

do the math genius...

no wonder your broke.

[Spicy Shushi]

How do I feel about Jack London aka Rhino becoming a wellknown name on all the message boards, signing a PDI contract for the NOC and Euro tour, and getting 30,000 hits on his website in less than 2 weeks?

I feel like I'm doing my job.

Not what I asked...

[Chick]

Well, Bob.  I've been doing this for 3 months now.  I'm already giving the top guys in my field a little run for their money.

You were an amateur for 13 years before you were granted Pro Status.  With it, you've managed to win nothing but an invite to a 3rd place finish at a retiree contest.

Plus, I haven't had to break the law or destroy my internal organs to do it.  I'm actually a bit of a health nut

Don't fool yourself..your giving nobody a run for their money.

Oh, I've won plenty, brother....I make a living doing what I love..BB. I've secured contracts, and just signed a 3year extention with BB.com...I'm an investor in other supplement companies, I've been in movies, commercials, and TV, I've traveled all over the world, I've been in magazines, on magazines, collect vintage cars, etc...all because of bodybuilding.

Not everyone has to be Mr. Olympia to be a successful BB

I do agree that you're a nut...(a health nut is up for debate). Speaking of which...judging by your pics, maybe you should get in touch with TP or Chad to help you out...whatever your doing doesnt seem to be working.

[onlyme]

JM does, but I was older talking about the elder Manion.  Unless something has changed in the past year (and I suppose it's possible), he's just not down with the whole internet thing.

Do you guys honestly think Sunday dinner conversation at dad's house consists of talking about what happened on GetBig each week? 

No way.  It's Monday thru Friday dinners.  On weekends they count all the money they made from promoter, competitors and suckers.