Jeffrey Epstein - Commits Suicide - what really happened? Discuss!

[Coach is Back!]

STRAWMAN, I tried to resend that link just now but it won't work for some reason due to my own fault and not a conspracy!

I think it might work if you just SEARCH .............

"What is Epstein's connection with Bill Clinton"

Is Strawman still in denial about Clinton(s) not being connected to Epstein? lol

[illuminati]

I don't know for certain what happened. At this point few do but here's my guess

He tried to off himself a few weeks ago though he claimed he was assaulted. No one believed that happened. He was placed on suicide watch as a precaution. His subsequent behavior and statements to his jailers and jail psychiatrist may have indicated suicide watch wasn't needed. At his first opportunity he finished the job. I know of dozens of cases where people facing serious charges with substantial evidence have killed themselves rather than face the prospect of an embarrassing humiliating trial and or lengthy prison sentences. 

For it to be a murder, people would need to be paid off, more than one, which poses a risk for those doing the paying. Then the person or persons who likely had a career at the facility would need to kill him. Pretty lucky for the mystery person to find those people and know they will keep quiet. While there are no cameras being reported in the cell, it is reported that every inch of the facility is covered in cameras so then there is manipulating recording which I suspect has safeguards against it. So while it's not impossible that he was murdered Occams Razor comes into play. If there are two explanations available,  the one that requires the least amount of speculation is usually correct.

Clearly with you’re Background you’ve a far better insight than myself.

Though from what we’ve heard so far it doesn’t sound that difficult for him to of been
Bumped off.
No Cameras working
No guard patrols
Not on Suicide watch
Probably America’s Highest Media Profile Person in Detention
And he’s able to easily kill himself
Also The Number of Very High Profile People who’s Names are Implicated
In This with Him as far up to Our Scrounging Shitbag of a “Royal Family”
And “Prince Andrew” & plenty of Dodgy stuff around them,
As Well as That Whiter Than White Teflon Bill Clinton.

When so many rumours & allegations surround those 2 individuals in particular
It makes Me Very Skeptical - The very suspicious death of Princess Diana
Comes to Mind an awful lot of very fortunate coincidences happened then.

Epstein was likely to drag a lot of Names out & Let alone what the Prosecution
Would Bring up.

I find it a bit to Convenient him not going to Trial.

[Primemuscle]

Clearly with you’re Background you’ve a far better insight than myself.

Though from what we’ve heard so far it doesn’t sound that difficult for him to of been
Bumped off.
No Cameras working
No guard patrols
Not on Suicide watch
Probably America’s Highest Media Profile Person in Detention
And he’s able to easily kill himself
Also The Number of Very High Profile People who’s Names are Implicated
In This with Him as far up to Our Scrounging Shitbag of a “Royal Family”
And “Prince Andrew” & plenty of Dodgy stuff around them,
As Well as That Whiter Than White Teflon Bill Clinton.

When so many rumours & allegations surround those 2 individuals in particular
It makes Me Very Skeptical - The very suspicious death of Princess Diana
Comes to Mind an awful lot of very fortunate coincidences happened then.

Epstein was likely to drag a lot of Names out & Let alone what the Prosecution
Would Bring up.

I find it a bit to Convenient him not going to Trial.

I'm with you on this theory. More than a few important and influential people stand a lot to lose should it come out that they participated in underage sex slavery. At this point, I wouldn't be jumping up and down claiming Epstein was my friend or even just a casual associate.

Right now there's talk of an ongoing investigation. This may wane with Epstein out of the picture.   

[Twaddle]

I don't know for certain what happened. At this point few do but here's my guess

He tried to off himself a few weeks ago though he claimed he was assaulted. No one believed that happened. He was placed on suicide watch as a precaution. His subsequent behavior and statements to his jailers and jail psychiatrist may have indicated suicide watch wasn't needed. At his first opportunity he finished the job. I know of dozens of cases where people facing serious charges with substantial evidence have killed themselves rather than face the prospect of an embarrassing humiliating trial and or lengthy prison sentences. 

For it to be a murder, people would need to be paid off, more than one, which poses a risk for those doing the paying. Then the person or persons who likely had a career at the facility would need to kill him. Pretty lucky for the mystery person to find those people and know they will keep quiet. While there are no cameras being reported in the cell, it is reported that every inch of the facility is covered in cameras so then there is manipulating recording which I suspect has safeguards against it. So while it's not impossible that he was murdered Occams Razor comes into play. If there are two explanations available,  the one that requires the least amount of speculation is usually correct.

Fixed.

[hardgainerj]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghislaine_Maxwell

add her to the pool

[Dokey111]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghislaine_Maxwell

add her to the pool

she seems protected

[Megalodon]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghislaine_Maxwell

add her to the pool

Yes, her father was billionaire Robert Maxwell aka Ján Ludvík Hyman Binyamin Hoch who died mysteriously, presumed to have fallen off a yacht off the Canary Islands.

"Maxwell was born into a poor Yiddish-speaking Orthodox Jewish family in the small town of Slatinské Doly (now Solotvyno, Ukraine) in the easternmost province of pre-World War II Czechoslovakia." wikipedia

[hardgainerj]

[hardgainerj]

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/6250478-Giuffre-Exhibits.html
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/6250270-Sweet-Opinion-Unsealed.html
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/6250856-EpsteinDepositions.html
https://www.courthousenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/Giuffre-unseal.pdf
http://www.documentcloud.org/documents/6251258-Virginia-Roberts-Memoir.html
https://s9503.pcdn.co/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/18-2868_Documents-pt-1.pdf
https://s9503.pcdn.co/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/18-2868_Documents-pt-3.pdf

[fredrollon]

Yes, her father was billionaire Robert Maxwell aka Ján Ludvík Hyman Binyamin Hoch who died mysteriously, presumed to have fallen off a yacht off the Canary Islands.

"Maxwell was born into a poor Yiddish-speaking Orthodox Jewish family in the small town of Slatinské Doly (now Solotvyno, Ukraine) in the easternmost province of pre-World War II Czechoslovakia."

Yup. Ian Robert "Bob" Maxwell .

He was a left-wing Labour MP ,publisher and newspaper proprietor  Huge figure in the UK. As famous as Rupert Murdoch in the 70's and 80's. In fact he set up himself up as Rupert's rival on the left.

Was a hero to many on the British left,until it was found ,after his death,his companies were essentially bankrupt and he had been plundering his employee's pensions to keep them afloat.

Lot of conspiracy theories surrounding his death in 1991,when he slipped off his private yacht and took a swin in the Atlantic.
Was it suicide, accident(he was a sick old man) or murder(by the secret services)?

From The Guardian

"My own research focuses on these aspects of Maxwell's life. The possibility that Maxwell could have ended up in the Old Bailey on charges of criminal fraud raised critical questions for a number of countries involved in the Maxwell triangle of international dealings. Bob Maxwell in the dock of the Old Bailey was not a prospect any of these groups, which included the US, Britain, Soviet Russia, Israel and France, would have appreciated. The intelligence services in all of these countries were aware of the dangers. My own theory is that any one of them - or even a combination of several - could have been responsible for Maxwell's death. If Maxwell was keeping one final hope of a last-minute financial reprieve and help from some of his old friends in high places then it could have come from any one of these sources."

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2003/nov/24/mondaymediasection6


Bob was ,apparently, due to meet the head of central bank of the UK, to discuss the financial health of his companies, the day he died.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/sep/09/robert-maxwells-sons-say-tycoon-was-to-meet-boe-the-day-he-died




Rupert,his great rival,for what it's worth, reckoned he was whacked.

"At Murdoch's suggestion, they met at London's Savoy Grill. And le Carré got a second surprise because Murdoch asked him:
"Who killed Robert Maxwell?""

https://www.theguardian.com/media/greenslade/2013/sep/09/rupert-murdoch-johnlecarre

[hardgainerj]

[fredrollon]

I'm with you on this theory. More than a few important and influential people stand a lot to lose should it come out that they participated in underage sex slavery. At this point, I wouldn't be jumping up and down claiming Epstein was my friend or even just a casual associate.

Right now there's talk of an ongoing investigation. This may wane with Epstein out of the picture.  

But Ockham's Razor ,my friend.  
























"The newspapers delighted in reporting the suspicious circumstances surrounding Reles’s death, with one reporting “the only law that got him was Newton’s law of gravity.” After an official inquiry was made in 1951, a grand jury ruled that the stool pigeon died during an escape attempt.

However, there were a few problems with this theory; namely that Abe Reles’ body was found quite some distance from the wall he had supposedly been trying to scale.  Lucky Luciano later stated that the policemen had been paid a whopping $50,000 to ensure they “picked [Reles] up and heaved him out the window.” After Reles’s death, the case against Anastasia was dropped, with the DA bemoaning that his “perfect case…went out the window with Reles.”


https://allthatsinteresting.com/abe-reles

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abe_Reles

[Twaddle]

5. "Ambulances are required by law to have their engines running all the time."

Uhhhh, no.  

[Megalodon]

"The newspapers delighted in reporting the suspicious circumstances surrounding Reles’s death, with one reporting “the only law that got him was Newton’s law of gravity.” After an official inquiry was made in 1951, a grand jury ruled that the stool pigeon died during an escape attempt.

So many Italians* like Reyes, maxwell, Epstein, Murder Inc, Lansky, Seigel, Dalitz et al, las vegas origins ...., are involved in organized crime. We are so fortunate to have a media and film industry that hammered us over and over into solely associating Italians with organized crime.

"*Abraham Reles, the son of Austrian Jewish immigrants, was born in the Brownsville section of Brooklyn, New York, on May 10, 1906. "
  

[illuminati]

I'm with you on this theory. More than a few important and influential people stand a lot to lose should it come out that they participated in underage sex slavery. At this point, I wouldn't be jumping up and down claiming Epstein was my friend or even just a casual associate.

Right now there's talk of an ongoing investigation. This may wane with Epstein out of the picture.   

Agreed - I think quite a few if their crops up will try there best to distance themselves from him
And No doubt Quite a few more Are Very Pleased He’s out the way & not able to speak.
I hope they do continue on with investigations & associates & accomplice’s are Bought to Trial.

It appears he had many videos of rich & famous people at his parties or private island
If they are found & Exposed that will also be interesting seeing those People Squirm.

[illuminati]

Is Strawman still in denial about Clinton(s) not being connected to Epstein? lol

Come on Coach You Know Better Than to ask that!!
Of Course He Is & He also Blames Donald For Any Wrong Doing
That Bill & Killary May Have Done - - It Was Donald.  🤣😂🤣

[Coach is Back!]

Come on Coach You Know Better Than to ask that!!
Of Course He Is & He also Blames Donald For Any Wrong Doing
That Bill & Killary May Have Done - - It Was Donald.  🤣😂🤣

Of course...how naive of me...lol

[IroNat]

Somebody had Epstein whacked.

Could of been someone who wanted revenge or someone who wanted to silence him.

[Thin Lizzy]

Somebody had Epstein whacked.

Could of been someone who wanted revenge or someone who wanted to silence him.

It’s possible.

It’s also possible the guard working the midnight shift fell asleep and Epstein was able to off himself. Anyone who has ever worked a midnight shift knows that at some point of the evening you’re going to be struggling to keep your eyes open.

[fredrollon]

It’s also possible the guard working the midnight shift fell asleep and Epstein was able to off himself. Anyone who has ever worked a midnight shift knows that at some point of the evening you’re going to be struggling to keep your eyes open.

Yeah,as cover stories go, the oldies are the goldies .  Definitely worth a shot with that..


"Abe Reles was placed under constant guard by the NYPD at the Half-Moon Hotel on Coney Island. Despite the fact that a whopping 18 men were assigned to guard the single prisoner in 24-hour shifts, on the morning of November 12th, 1941, Reles’s crumpled body was found on the sidewalk six stories below.

The officers assigned to watch him all claimed that they had been asleep when their prisoner evidently decided to make a desperate bid for freedom."

https://allthatsinteresting.com/abe-reles



All this is moot ,though.

In this day and age,they must have CCTV cameras in the cells ,for such high profile prisoners,to allay any suspicion of foul play,in a circumstance like this .

No?

[hardgainerj]

[Twaddle]

WTF is this?   

[illuminati]

Oh Jeez !!
Does Strawwoman Never Give it a Rest
With the Stupid Hate Donald Stuff.

[Thin Lizzy]

Yeah,as cover stories go, the oldies are the goldies .  Definitely worth a shot with that..


"Abe Reles was placed under constant guard by the NYPD at the Half-Moon Hotel on Coney Island. Despite the fact that a whopping 18 men were assigned to guard the single prisoner in 24-hour shifts, on the morning of November 12th, 1941, Reles’s crumpled body was found on the sidewalk six stories below.

The officers assigned to watch him all claimed that they had been asleep when their prisoner evidently decided to make a desperate bid for freedom."

https://allthatsinteresting.com/abe-reles



All this is moot ,though.

In this day and age,they must have CCTV cameras in the cells ,for such high profile prisoners,to allay any suspicion of foul play,in a circumstance like this .

No?

You would think but I’m familiar with the building. It’s not some brand new high tech super jail. It’s just an old projects looking building. I don’t deny this looks very shady. I’m just not ruling out good old incompetence.

[Coach is Back!]

Oh Jeez !!
Does Strawwoman Never Give it a Rest
With the Stupid Hate Donald Stuff.

As long as there is a liberal/communist propaganda rag to be had, Him and leftists in general will never give it up. Truly the dumbest of the dumb.....just sit back and laugh