Questions about diet and hormone use for men 40 and up.

[Rambone]

Id still say 200 to 250mgs per week.

If you can’t make noticeable gains on 200mg for 10-12 weeks, it’s time to retire the bedazzled battle thong.

[a_pupil]

the rule of thumb is 3CCs daily. mix it up however you like.

no but serious, just start on 1cc of test a week and work your way up.

leave the anavar and deca at the start. they can be added later.

[Primemuscle]

I was just gonna say 250 mgs of any type of Test is a great starting point and you`ll make quality gains.

My first time on ABS was when I was almost 18 years old. The doctor prescribed 5 mg D-Bol daily and he injected Test (don't know the dosage) once a week. Without changing my diet, I went from 140  to 180 lbs. over the course of several months....like 4 or 5. Aside from the time I did D-Bol in my late 20's and shot up to 225, 180-195 was what I weighed most of my adult life. Only in the last couple of years did I decide to drop some weight. Mainly because, I wasn't working out as hard or as often. 170-175 lbs. seems to be about right. Less than that, and I start looking too thin, more and my fat percentage goes up. I've been on TRT for over a decade.
 

[Coach is Back!]

Illicit three of the most safest compounds you can use in therapeutic doses it’s not going to harm him one bit all I did was tell him to add in a half to 1 mg of arimidex if needed. If he’s not doing it for any other reason then HRT and the test is fine if you want to add some muscle I have no problem with what he has

[Coach is Back!]

 And just to add his receptors are wide open he’ll respond immediately an eight or 12 week cycle will get him the results that he needs or wants his calories are going to depend on his goals if you wants to add mass he’s going to take his bodyweight and times it by 20 if you want to lose some fat he’s going to take his bodyweight and times it by 10 or 12 is going to take those calories and break his macros down To whatever his body type dictates

[DanielPaul]

Thanks Coach!  And everyone else seems like some great info.

[Coach is Back!]

Thanks Coach!  And everyone else seems like some great info.

Sorry about some of the typos and grammar fuck ups I’m actually driving right now using dictation LOL

[mazrim]

Lowest dose if using all three to gain quality muscle? 150mg test, 100 deca, 25mg var/day.

Bigger/more dramatic changes without as much effort and still probably no side effects, Deadz was a good recommendation.

Depends on what the question really is as you can most certainly get quality muscle gain on as little as 200mg test/week (some even less), but for more drastic changes then that choose the higher dosed option (still being a low-dosed cycle in the grand scheme of things).

[AbrahamG]

Lowest dose if using all three to gain quality muscle? 150mg test, 100 deca, 25mg var/day.

Bigger/more dramatic changes without as much effort and still probably no side effects, Deadz was a good recommendation.

Depends on what the question really is as you can most certainly get quality muscle gain on as little as 200mg test/week (some even less), but for more drastic changes then that choose the higher dosed option (still being a low-dosed cycle in the grand scheme of things).

I'd never touch deca ever again in any amount without the addition of proviron.

[wes]

I like Deca,but in the 90`s I got a nasty fucking abcess from Winstrol V.

[honest]

Anti Es kill your HDL, progressing hardening of the arteries unless your competing dont take them, bit of estrogenic fluid won't hurt you especially with low dose consistent test, you might need them short term coming off, but I would only use where you absolutely had to. Just my opinion.

[Tapeworm]

the only reason I say deca is for joint and ligament issues that’s it.  I’ve had bursitis in my shoulder and on and off issues with tendinitis and read it could help

It feels like you just want to hit the juice, which is totally fine, but if this post is genuine then it's worth pointing out that your joint issues have a cause, and it isn't lack of deca. If you get stronger and continue to do the same movements which gave you grief to begin with, no rehab or prehab, more weight more volume...well.

[ponal]

200mg of Deca weekly
250mg of Test weekly
50mg of anavar daily
Calories are dependent on your metabolic rate.

No..No   

1000mg of Deca Weekly
500mg of Test Weekly
150mg of anavar daily
eat like a fucking horse.

[Henda]

Agree with Jeffley and Wes re 250mg a week, more than enough for first time on gear you may even be content enough on this and never see i any need to push further

[mazrim]

I'd never touch deca ever again in any amount without the addition of proviron.

Yes, we all have different reactions to substances.
Any dht related aas I have tried so far (not proviron yet) has given me the libido boost that is talked about for only a few weeks (a bit longer if I use low doses) but eventually it always causes my libido to drop and I get very irritable. Gives me low estrogen symptoms basically.

[polychronopolous]

No..No   

1000mg of Deca Weekly
500mg of Test Weekly
150mg of anavar daily
eat like a fucking horse.

He's looking to get a little tone not hoist up a Sandow.

[ponal]

He's looking to get a little tone not hoist up a Sandow.

why be a lightweight ? Blast it i say !

[Humble Narcissist]

The problem with starting test at an advanced age is you will have to use for life or you will crash HARD!  If you think you have trouble losing weight and have a low sex drive now just wait till you come off compounds.  Just cut your calories which will make you lose weight, sleep more and vary your training schedule to keep fresh.

[Bevo]

The problem with starting test at an advanced age is you will have to use for life or you will crash HARD!  If you think you have trouble losing weight and have a low sex drive now just wait till you come off compounds.  Just cut your calories which will make you lose weight, sleep more and vary your training schedule to keep fresh.

That’s why no one completely comes off or stays off for good

[Humble Narcissist]

That’s why no one completely comes off or stays off for good

I know but at some point you have to quit unless you plan on using at 90.

[Bevo]

I know but at some point you have to quit unless you plan on using at 90.

I agree with you

[OlympiaGym]

200mg of Deca weekly
250mg of Test weekly
50mg of anavar daily
Calories are dependent on your metabolic rate.

This won’t do shit for most.

You need at least 500 mgs of test and 400 mgs of Deca, at a minimum, to see any noticeable difference at your age unless you have primo genetics, which 90% of the population doesn’t. More if your gear is underdosed, which is likely with most UGL gear.

And forgot Anavar. It’s a complete waste of money. Use D-Bol or Anadrol.

AIs fuck up more guys than they help. Be careful and use only as needed.

If you’re going to cycle then do it right. Do a decent blast for 12 weeks and see what you look like. Cut back if sides become unbearable but don’t be a pussy either. This isn’t for everyone.

Running BS baby cycles are just a waste of money. You won’t get anything out of them.

Never come off. Cruise between cycles or until your bloods stabilize, which they will once you slow it up.

[OlympiaGym]

Anti Es kill your HDL, progressing hardening of the arteries unless your competing dont take them, bit of estrogenic fluid won't hurt you especially with low dose consistent test, you might need them short term coming off, but I would only use where you absolutely had to. Just my opinion.

Agreed. There are much worse things than being a little watery offseason.

[joswift]

This won’t do shit for most.

You need at least 500 mgs of test and 400 mgs of Deca, at a minimum, to see any noticeable difference at your age unless you have primo genetics, which 90% of the population doesn’t. More if your gear is underdosed, which is likely with most UGL gear.

And forgot Anavar. It’s a complete waste of money. Use D-Bol or Anadrol.

AIs fuck up more guys than they help. Be careful and use only as needed.

If you’re going to cycle then do it right. Do a decent blast for 12 weeks and see what you look like. Cut back if sides become unbearable but don’t be a pussy either. This isn’t for everyone.

Running BS baby cycles are just a waste of money. You won’t get anything out of them.

Never come off. Cruise between cycles or until your bloods stabilize, which they will once you slow it up.

nonsense

[OlympiaGym]

nonsense

Not looking to debate.

Can you look more muscular than your cyclist neighbor on TRT doses? Yes.

Will you look like a bodybuilder on TRT doses particularly if you’re tall and have average or worse genetics? I question that.