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Who Loses Most from Illegal Immigration? America's Poor
« on: May 24, 2021, 04:53:52 PM »

https://www.newsweek.com/who-loses-most-illegal-immigration-americas-poor-opinion-1594368


Did you know that the nation's poverty rate reached an all-time low at the end of 2019, before the COVID-19 pandemic struck? It was the result of higher wages and spectacularly low unemployment. And while that sounds simple enough, we have to ask: How was this achieved?

There are a host of driving factors behind these successes, including President Trump's common-sense economic policies, which slashed red tape through deregulation and cut taxes for working families, unleashing the American spirit of innovation and unlocking the American dream for millions of previously-forgotten Americans.

But one of the greatest boons for low-income Americans under President Trump was his administration's immigration policy. By actually enforcing immigration law and reducing the influx of illegal, low-wage labor that directly competes with America's poorest workers, President Trump helped the long-neglected working class to see their highest pay raises in 20 years and lowest unemployment in 50 years, including the lowest Black and Hispanic unemployment ever recorded.


Whether you liked President Trump or not, a working-class coalition elected him in 2016 to end the open-borders policies of previous administrations. He followed through on his promise, and not only did American workers benefit, but the poorest Americans benefitted the most of all. And as I have noted, they are disproportionally minorities.

President Trump recognized a reality others refused to acknowledge: Our broken immigration system has hurt poor Americans most of all. Decades of low-skill, low-wage immigration had depressed wages and employment for workers on the bottom rung of the economic ladder.

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Re: Who Loses Most from Illegal Immigration? America's Poor
« Reply #1 on: May 24, 2021, 06:29:08 PM »
Libtards don’t get it.
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Re: Who Loses Most from Illegal Immigration? America's Poor
« Reply #2 on: May 24, 2021, 06:40:04 PM »
Orange man bad.


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Re: Who Loses Most from Illegal Immigration? America's Poor
« Reply #3 on: May 24, 2021, 06:44:16 PM »
Libtards don’t get it.

The libs in power get it.  They know exactly what they are doing.  They want a permanent democrat voting underclass that they can control forever by promising to give them free shit.

It's the Democrat voters that are dumber than a box of rocks.  They are being played.  I know some of these twats.  They think the BLM movement is really about black lives.  They think immigration policy is really about compassion for the poor downtrodden brown people of Mexico.  They think global warming and white supremacy are the greatest threats to our nation.  Fucking brain dead.

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Re: Who Loses Most from Illegal Immigration? America's Poor
« Reply #4 on: May 24, 2021, 07:08:35 PM »
Correct Cheap immigrant labor reduces citizen wages

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Re: Who Loses Most from Illegal Immigration? America's Poor
« Reply #5 on: May 25, 2021, 03:29:46 AM »
Illegals are just misunderstood.

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Re: Who Loses Most from Illegal Immigration? America's Poor
« Reply #6 on: May 25, 2021, 06:51:48 AM »
Who keeps employing these illegals?

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Re: Who Loses Most from Illegal Immigration? America's Poor
« Reply #7 on: May 25, 2021, 07:03:01 AM »
Who keeps employing these illegals?

People employ them for manual labor in landscaping and farm work and as nannies for their children in libtard-ville.

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Re: Who Loses Most from Illegal Immigration? America's Poor
« Reply #8 on: May 25, 2021, 07:16:13 AM »
Why in this day and age there is absolutely anyone who thinks importing third world immigrant shit is anything other than a totally disastrous idea is beyond me

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Re: Who Loses Most from Illegal Immigration? America's Poor
« Reply #9 on: May 25, 2021, 07:23:00 AM »
People employ them for manual labor in landscaping and farm work and as nannies for their children in libtard-ville.
why arent those people punished?

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Re: Who Loses Most from Illegal Immigration? America's Poor
« Reply #10 on: May 25, 2021, 07:51:47 AM »
Who keeps employing these illegals?

Every sub contractor its not just the employement its the landlords renting to them the banks doing business with them the states issuing them driver licenses the complete lack of law enforcement at every level

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Re: Who Loses Most from Illegal Immigration? America's Poor
« Reply #11 on: May 25, 2021, 08:52:15 AM »
I'll go head to head with any Mexican drywall hanger or finisher, by hand or Ames tools, patching or production, gravy or cut up, scaff, stilts, splayed angles, radiused work, skim coat, anything. May the best man win.

I'm against 3rd world flooding, but not because of fear of losing work.

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Re: Who Loses Most from Illegal Immigration? America's Poor
« Reply #12 on: May 25, 2021, 08:57:38 AM »
why arent those people punished?


so "punish" the people who hire them but not the government that lets them in by opening the borders and looking the other way? Duh...

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Re: Who Loses Most from Illegal Immigration? America's Poor
« Reply #13 on: May 25, 2021, 09:01:03 AM »
Similar over here with cheap Eastern European labour, a lot of polish living 15 of the fuckers in one house living costs next to zero can afford to quote much less for building jobs than typical English builder with house, family, paying his labourers a fair wage ect who just can’t come in anywhere near, not really a problem up this far north to be fair though.

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Re: Who Loses Most from Illegal Immigration? America's Poor
« Reply #14 on: May 25, 2021, 09:57:50 AM »
Similar over here with cheap Eastern European labour, a lot of polish living 15 of the fuckers in one house living costs next to zero can afford to quote much less for building jobs than typical English builder with house, family, paying his labourers a fair wage ect who just can’t come in anywhere near, not really a problem up this far north to be fair though.

To be clear, I want a legally even playing field. The other guy has to pay taxes and carry mandated insurances, obey the same labour laws, etc. Then it'll be challenge accepted.

If he wants to live cheaper, 15 to a house, I'm ok with that. If someone can deliver an equal quality result for less than me, then he should win the job. There's tons of Chinese in dry lining in Aus but I'm fine with that. Bring it on.

Be about 22 years ago, me and another yank were on the tube in London and some drunken Irish guy (what are the odds!) told us off for being cheap foreign workers. I wasn't too fussed but my mate bragged about what we made that week, and it was a good week. When the Irish guy called bullshit because it was more than he makes, matey showed him the pay stub. Then he got really mad.  ;D  Nobody used stilts over there. We weren't even that good and we still cleaned up.


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Re: Who Loses Most from Illegal Immigration? America's Poor
« Reply #15 on: May 25, 2021, 10:39:02 AM »
The wealthy caste, who hate the poor(er), has been rubbing its hands ever since.
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Re: Who Loses Most from Illegal Immigration? America's Poor
« Reply #16 on: May 25, 2021, 01:30:10 PM »
I'll go head to head with any Mexican drywall hanger or finisher, by hand or Ames tools, patching or production, gravy or cut up, scaff, stilts, splayed angles, radiused work, skim coat, anything. May the best man win.

I'm against 3rd world flooding, but not because of fear of losing work.

They hire them because they are fast and cheap. Makes the business owner more money.

They are not the best at what they do.

That's why so many new houses in the states are complete shit. They are built with the cheapest materials available and the cheapest labor.

It's all about how fast they can throw it together.

Quality is dead.

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Re: Who Loses Most from Illegal Immigration? America's Poor
« Reply #17 on: May 25, 2021, 04:24:30 PM »
Head to head, baby. I can gear myself to that. I call it 'quality meatball' and I did it for years. Born and bred in the briar patch.

And honestly, it takes the same amount of time to do most things well as to do them badly. Often less.

If you ever want to know what kind of 'waller you've got, look at the squareness of his window reveals and straightness of his off-90 degree angles.

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Re: Who Loses Most from Illegal Immigration? America's Poor
« Reply #18 on: May 25, 2021, 04:36:24 PM »
Head to head, baby. I can gear myself to that. I call it 'quality meatball' and I did it for years. Born and bred in the briar patch.

And honestly, it takes the same amount of time to do most things well as to do them badly. Often less.

If you ever want to know what kind of 'waller you've got, look at the squareness of his window reveals and straightness of his off-90 degree angles.

My grandfather built cabinets and expensive furniture his entire life. During the 80's and 90's he basically went out of business because of all the cheap Mexican labor in Texas.

I remember his attention to detail was insane. My cousin continued the tradition and builds very high quality wood furniture on the side as a hobby. What he did was make it so expensive that only rich people would hire him to do it, it's all custom. The people who are willing to pay $20k for a table typically appreciate the craftmanship. I have some of his stuff in my house, people always are amazed by how perfectly it is crafted. The way the drawers open and shut seamlessly and he even matches the grain of the wood at the edges. It's pretty incredible.

Nobody cares about it anymore, and the people that do are few and far between unfortunately.

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Re: Who Loses Most from Illegal Immigration? America's Poor
« Reply #19 on: May 25, 2021, 05:38:50 PM »
My grandfather built cabinets and expensive furniture his entire life. During the 80's and 90's he basically went out of business because of all the cheap Mexican labor in Texas.

I remember his attention to detail was insane. My cousin continued the tradition and builds very high quality wood furniture on the side as a hobby. What he did was make it so expensive that only rich people would hire him to do it, it's all custom. The people who are willing to pay $20k for a table typically appreciate the craftmanship. I have some of his stuff in my house, people always are amazed by how perfectly it is crafted. The way the drawers open and shut seamlessly and he even matches the grain of the wood at the edges. It's pretty incredible.

Nobody cares about it anymore, and the people that do are few and far between unfortunately.

I can't pretend to know the intricacies of woodworking, like how tight to mortice walnut vs oak or precisely where to employ flat, riff, or radially sawn grain, etc, but I really respect guys who do and the quality they can achieve. I think I know enough to know what I don't know, but there's probably stuff I don't know that I don't know.  :D  But I'll sure find out when I build my kitchen. (Filler & paint has made me the carpenter I ain't, up until now.)

I doubt I can even find grain finished cabinets in Western Australia these days and that's what I want. 90% of the market is plastic covered chipboard. The high end 10% is lacquered. 100% is CNCed. Anyone without CNC gear is basically done at this point. Such is the marketplace.

Most people just like what the commercial tells them to like. They'll look right at a piece your pappy produced, say it's too old, then go to Ikea. People like McDonald's. They just don't know any better.

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Re: Who Loses Most from Illegal Immigration? America's Poor
« Reply #20 on: May 25, 2021, 05:55:43 PM »
   Trump not only cracked down on illegal immigration he also stopped legal immigration which also helped.

Immigration both illegal and legal were hurting American workers, from the kitchen worker to the software engineer..

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Re: Who Loses Most from Illegal Immigration? America's Poor
« Reply #21 on: May 25, 2021, 08:22:01 PM »
   Trump not only cracked down on illegal immigration he also stopped legal immigration which also helped.

Immigration both illegal and legal were hurting American workers, from the kitchen worker to the software engineer..

Cook better and code harder. What are we advocating for? A bubble where everyone can be lazy and incompetent? Kick ass or make way for someone who does.

If you're the drywaller or the programmer you probably don't agree, but if you're the client you just want the best person for the job.

Legal only. If all they bring is wretchedness then vaya con dios.

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Re: Who Loses Most from Illegal Immigration? America's Poor
« Reply #22 on: May 25, 2021, 08:38:16 PM »
Who keeps employing these illegals?

Employers are not allowed to ask. If they give us an ID it’s not our job to verify it’s validity. Any illegal can walk into a DMV and get an ID. Same with an SSN

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Re: Who Loses Most from Illegal Immigration? America's Poor
« Reply #24 on: May 20, 2023, 02:15:16 PM »
   Trump not only cracked down on illegal immigration he also stopped legal immigration which also helped.

Immigration both illegal and legal were hurting American workers, from the kitchen worker to the software engineer..

Legal immigration is by far the worse problem. Illegal immigration is actually more of a canard in that whole discussion.

In Canada, we had a MILLION immigrants last year - most of them legal.

The only reason for that is to get more votes for Justin Trudeau.