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Re: Afghanistan.
« Reply #75 on: August 15, 2021, 11:17:51 AM »
Salt the kuntry.  I mean it.  Level it with with salt.  Buncha sandslugs.  FTN.

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Re: Afghanistan.
« Reply #76 on: August 15, 2021, 11:36:56 AM »
It's important to stress how much of a waste this war truly was, to keep public opinion against starting another expensive military boondoggle on the other side of the globe.

All the lives lost were wasted, flat out.  The trillions of dollars spent, wasted.  USA lost this war--its not even close.  Hell even the USSR kept their Red Party in power for a couple years. 

George Bush, Cheney, Powell - they should all be hanged for this and Iraq.  It's pitiful to see their image being rehabilitated.

Don't forget that ugly kunt tony blair. He's been getting speaking and teaching gigs since he retired like he's some kind of genius. Them Afghanistan and Iraq wars have to be some of the worst leadership moves in modern history.

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Re: Afghanistan.
« Reply #77 on: August 15, 2021, 11:53:55 AM »
Don't forget that ugly kunt tony blair. He's been getting speaking and teaching gigs since he retired like he's some kind of genius. Them Afghanistan and Iraq wars have to be some of the worst leadership moves in modern history.

Sure why not,  have him boiled in oil please  ;D

Trump openly decrying these wars makes him the best president we’ve had in a long, long time.  He was a lousy president but when he was right, God damn he was right.  First President not to start new foreign engagement in decades.  No, Iran & Venezuela don’t count.

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Re: Afghanistan.
« Reply #78 on: August 15, 2021, 12:53:40 PM »
Fuck George Bush, and fuck his cousin Blair!

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Re: Afghanistan.
« Reply #79 on: August 15, 2021, 01:26:25 PM »
You guys worried about Afghanistan when they are actively importing a replacement population in the USA at warp speed.  ::)

Fuck that place and those people. That article on the last post is the agenda.

Replacement of the majority with a stupid, obedient, complacent, powerless, resourceless, brainwashed group to easily control and manipulate.

While this is true, after pulling out he had to reinstall 5000 troops putting our guys at risk of being killed.

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Re: Afghanistan.
« Reply #81 on: August 15, 2021, 01:35:15 PM »
You guys worried about Afghanistan when they are actively importing a replacement population in the USA at warp speed.  ::)

Fuck that place and those people. That article on the last post is the agenda.

Replacement of the majority with a stupid, obedient, complacent, powerless, resourceless, brainwashed group to easily control and manipulate.

You don't need to import immigrants to find plenty of these.

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Re: Afghanistan.
« Reply #82 on: August 15, 2021, 01:58:17 PM »
Sure why not,  have him boiled in oil please  ;D

Trump openly decrying these wars makes him the best president we’ve had in a long, long time.  He was a lousy president but when he was right, God damn he was right.  First President not to start new foreign engagement in decades.  No, Iran & Venezuela don’t count.

So, why do liberals hate him so much? I never could figure this out.

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Re: Afghanistan.
« Reply #83 on: August 15, 2021, 02:06:58 PM »
Taliban is in Kabul & airport is surrounded!.

"CONGRATULATION" to JOE BIDEN & his military "EXPERTS"  >:( >:( >:(


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Re: Afghanistan.
« Reply #84 on: August 15, 2021, 02:09:18 PM »
Taliban is in Kabul & airport is surrounded!.

"CONGRATULATION" to JOE BIDEN & his military "EXPERTS"  >:( >:( >:(

The "trolly dollies" are making a final stand?

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Re: Afghanistan.
« Reply #85 on: August 15, 2021, 02:29:31 PM »
We can't(won't) even protect our own borders. Jerry Rivers and others want Afghanistan refugees flooding to the US.

In the navy.



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Re: Afghanistan.
« Reply #86 on: August 15, 2021, 02:35:00 PM »
After two decades and billions spent, Afghan government collapses as Taliban takes Kabul


In a swift and stunning rout, Taliban fighters seized control of Afghanistan’s capital on Sunday, completing their sweep of the besieged nation as the Afghan government collapsed after two decades of efforts by the U.S. to reshape the region as part of its “war on terror.”

Embattled President Ashraf Ghani fled the country as the Taliban entered the capital city of Kabul, and American troops scrambled to evacuate thousands of U.S. diplomats and Afghans from the U.S. Embassy.

The Taliban, which for hours had been in the outskirts of Kabul, announced soon after it would move farther into a city gripped by panic throughout the day as helicopters raced overhead to evacuate personnel from the U.S. Embassy. Smoke rose near the compound as staff destroyed important documents. Several other Western missions prepared to pull their people out.

The Pentagon authorized an additional 1,000 U.S. troops to be deployed to Afghanistan to help with the evacuation efforts, said a defense official who was not authorized to speak publicly. That is on top of the 5,000 troops that President Joe Biden announced Saturday would be sent to ensure "an orderly and safe" drawdown and evacuate U.S. personnel as well as Afghans who helped American forces.

The Taliban is soon expected to declare the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan from the presidential palace in Kabul, an official told the Associated Press. Al Jazeera broadcast footage of Taliban fighters inside the presidential palace, sitting behind a desk that the network said was presumed to be Ghani's and placing their guns on it.

In Washington, Biden and Vice President Kamala Harris met via videoconference with their national security team to hear updates on the drawdown of civilian personnel in Afghanistan and the evacuation of allies who worked alongside the U.S. government during the 20-year war.

The fall of Kabul marked the final chapter of America's longest war, which began after the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks masterminded by al-Qaida's Osama bin Laden, then harbored by the Taliban government. A U.S.-led invasion forced the Taliban to retreat.

For some, the U.S. pullout was a reminder of America’s ignominious withdrawal from Vietnam in 1975, which ended with iconic images of U.S. helicopters evacuating Americans from the roof of the embassy in Saigon.

U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken flatly rejected such comparisons. "This is manifestly not Saigon," Blinken argued, characterizing the drawdown of embassy and other personnel as "very deliberate."

Still, analysts predicted that history would view the U.S. invasion of Afghanistan as a failure.

“On day one, we go in and the Taliban is in charge. Twenty years later, the Taliban is back in charge,” said Jack Weinstein, a former Pentagon official and expert on international security.

“I don’t know how you couch that as a victory,” he said.

Though Kabul had been expected to fall, the speed of its collapse clearly caught the Biden administration off-guard.

Biden set an Aug. 31 deadline to withdraw all U.S. forces from Afghanistan and bring an end to the 20-year conflict. Just last week, an American military assessment estimated it would be a month before the capital would come under insurgent pressure.

Defying expectations, the Taliban seized nearly all of Afghanistan in a short time, despite the hundreds of billions of dollars spent by the U.S. and NATO over nearly two decades to build up Afghan security forces. Afghan security forces were defeated by the Taliban or fled much of the country, even though they had some air support from the U.S. military.

The U.S. Embassy in Kabul warned Sunday the security situation in Afghanistan was deteriorating and instructed American citizens to "shelter in place" amid reports of gunfire at the airport in Afghanistan's capital. The embassy's security alert came as American troops were in the midst of evacuating all diplomatic staff from the embassy to the airport and as the Taliban entered Kabul, seemingly poised to take over the government.

Ghani flew out of the country, according to multiple media outlets.

Ghani later Sunday offered an explanation in a Facebook post: "Today, I came across a hard choice; I should stand to face the armed Taliban who wanted to enter the palace or leave the dear country that I dedicated my life to protecting and protecting the past twenty years. ...The Taliban have made it to remove me, they are here to attack all Kabul and the people of Kabul. In order to avoid the bleeding flood, I thought it was best to get out."

Abdullah Abdullah, the head of the Afghan National Reconciliation Council, criticized Ghani's exit. “The former president of Afghanistan left Afghanistan, leaving the country in this difficult situation," Abdullah said. "God should hold him accountable.”

Afghans fearing that the Taliban would reimpose the kind of brutal rule that all but eliminated women’s rights rushed to leave the country, lining up at cash machines to withdraw their life savings, the AP reported.

For years, U.S. and Afghan forces focused on controlling key supply chains and major cities in the country, forcing the Taliban into Afghanistan’s rugged hinterland. The Taliban remained strong in the country’s mountainous rural areas, using those regions as bases of attack to seize territory once U.S. forces began their drawdown.

The Taliban also remained in control of strategic border crossings, according to the Associated Press, allowing them to smuggle weapons and other key goods while also rejuvenating forces outside the country.

In February 2020, Washington under then-President Donald Trump signed a deal with the Taliban that limited direct military action against the insurgents. That allowed the fighters to gather strength and move quickly to seize key areas when President Joe Biden announced his plans to withdraw all American forces by the end of this month.

On Sunday, Taliban insurgents approached Kabul. Taliban negotiators in the capital discussed the transfer of power, said an Afghan official who spoke on condition of anonymity for fear of reprisals, according to AP.

It remained unclear when that transfer would take place and who among the Taliban was negotiating. The negotiators on the government side included former President Hamid Karzai, leader of Hizb-e-Islami political and paramilitary group Gulbudin Hekmatyar and Abdullah, who has been a vocal critic of Ghani.

Karzai, with his three daughters, appeared in a video, saying he remained in Kabul.

“We are trying to solve the issue of Afghanistan with the Taliban leadership peacefully,” he said, while the roar of a passing helicopter could be heard overhead.

Afghanistan’s acting defense minister, Bismillah Khan Mohammadi, lashed out at Ghani.

“They tied our hands from behind and sold the country,” he wrote on Twitter. “Curse Ghani and his gang.”

Taliban fighters tried to calm residents of the capital, insisting they wouldn’t enter people’s homes or interfere with businesses. They also said they’d offer an “amnesty” to those who worked with the Afghan government or foreign forces.

“No one’s life, property and dignity will be harmed and the lives of the citizens of Kabul will not be at risk,” the insurgents said in a statement, according to AP.

But there have been reports of revenge killings and other brutal tactics in areas of the country the Taliban have seized in recent days. One female journalist, weeping, sent voice messages to colleagues after armed men entered her apartment building and banged on her door.

“What should I do? Should I call the police or Taliban?” Getee Azami cried. It wasn't clear what happened to her after that.

Many chose to flee, rushing to the Kabul airport, the last route out of the country as the Taliban now hold every border crossing. NATO said it was “helping to maintain operations at Kabul airport to keep Afghanistan connected with the world.”

One Afghan university student described feeling betrayed as she watched the evacuation of the U.S. Embassy.

“You failed the younger generation of Afghanistan,” said Aisha Khurram, 22, who is now unsure of whether she’ll be able to graduate in two months' time. “A generation ... raised in the modern Afghanistan were hoping to build the country with their own hands. They put blood, efforts and sweat into whatever we had right now."

Sunday began with the Taliban seizing the nearby city of Jalalabad — which had been the last major city besides the capital not in their hands. Afghan officials said the militants also took the capitals of Maidan Wardak, Khost, Kapisa and Parwan provinces, as well as the country's last government-held border post.

Later, Afghan forces at Bagram air base, home to a prison housing 5,000 inmates, surrendered to the Taliban, according to Bagram district chief Darwaish Raufi. The prison at the former U.S. base held both Taliban and Islamic State group fighters.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/after-two-decades-and-billions-spent-afghan-government-collapses-as-taliban-takes-kabul/ar-AANl6rt

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Re: Afghanistan.
« Reply #87 on: August 15, 2021, 02:55:21 PM »
'U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken flatly rejected such comparisons. "This is manifestly not Saigon," Blinken argued, characterizing the drawdown of embassy and other personnel as "very deliberate."'



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Re: Afghanistan.
« Reply #88 on: August 15, 2021, 03:23:00 PM »

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/aug/15/talibans-abdul-ghani-baradar-is-undisputed-victor-of-a-20-year-war




The US and Taliban agreement not to fight each other was supposed to be followed by power-sharing talks between the Taliban and the Kabul government of Ashraf Ghani. Those talks stumbled along with little progress, and it is clear now that Baradar and the Taliban were playing for time, waiting for the Americans to leave and preparing a final offensive. Baradar’s life has taught him patience and confidence in ultimate victory.


B U L L S H I T "news" &  is totally outdated !.


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Re: Afghanistan.
« Reply #89 on: August 15, 2021, 03:26:01 PM »
Paul Joseph Watson - only a few minutes long

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Re: Afghanistan.
« Reply #90 on: August 15, 2021, 03:49:01 PM »
Paul Joseph Watson - only a few minutes long



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Re: Afghanistan.
« Reply #91 on: August 15, 2021, 03:50:11 PM »
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Re: Afghanistan.
« Reply #92 on: August 15, 2021, 03:54:35 PM »
As soon as Biden decided to bail the U.S. lost all its negotiating leverage.

No reason then for the Taliban to negotiate.


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Re: Afghanistan.
« Reply #93 on: August 15, 2021, 04:00:02 PM »
As soon as Biden decided to bail the U.S. lost all its negotiating leverage.

No reason then for the Taliban to negotiate.

This is the problem with these ill-advised nation building exercises. You eventually get put in a position where there are no good solutions. In Afghanistan, either you have the United States as a police force forever or you pull out and it collapses.

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Re: Afghanistan.
« Reply #94 on: August 15, 2021, 04:00:49 PM »
Blinken: "This is manifestly not Saigon" all over again in Afghanistan



Saigon and Kabul:

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Re: Afghanistan.
« Reply #95 on: August 15, 2021, 04:10:30 PM »
Paul Joseph Watson - only a few minutes long



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Re: Afghanistan.
« Reply #96 on: August 15, 2021, 05:11:06 PM »
So, why do liberals hate him so much? I never could figure this out.

Slashing corporate tax rate, ramping up atrocities at border camps (that Obama built but still), rolling back environmental regulations.  That's why I dislike him.  But I'm a leftist, not a liberal.

Liberals hate Trump because he's low class white trash.  They judge a man by what he says rather than what he does ... Pathetic classist worms the entire bunch.

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Re: Afghanistan.
« Reply #97 on: August 15, 2021, 05:46:35 PM »
Mullah Omar would have fit right in with the alpha males on getbig.

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Re: Afghanistan.
« Reply #98 on: August 15, 2021, 05:47:28 PM »
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https://www.wsj.com/articles/pelosi-afghan-women-biden-withdrawal-taliban-forced-marriages-misogyny-feminism-11629058703?mod=opinion_lead_pos3

Nancy Pelosi on Afghan Women
The House Speaker has a stern feminist warning for the Taliban.



Politics often requires blind loyalty, and on Afghanistan the word blind clearly applies to Nancy Pelosi. On Sunday the House Speaker issued a statement that began, “The President is to be commended for the clarity of purpose of his statement on Afghanistan and the actions he has taken.”

Then she got rolling. “We are deeply concerned about reports regarding the Taliban’s brutal treatment of all Afghans, especially women and girls. The U.S., the international community and the Afghan government must do everything we can to protect women and girls from inhumane treatment by the Taliban,” Mrs. Pelosi said.

But the “international community” was doing precisely that by maintaining a modest allied force and air power in Afghanistan. Now they’re gone, and we can see what will happen to the women and girls of that country.

“Any political settlement that the Afghans pursue to avert bloodshed must include having women at the table,” the Speaker added. Gotta love that “must.” That should impress the Taliban as it closes schools for girls, forces marriages to Taliban fighters, and bars women from public or prominent commercial life.

Mrs. Pelosi is so used to giving political lectures she doesn’t seem to realize she is detached from reality.

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« Reply #99 on: August 15, 2021, 05:52:41 PM »
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https://www.wsj.com/articles/pelosi-afghan-women-biden-withdrawal-taliban-forced-marriages-misogyny-feminism-11629058703?mod=opinion_lead_pos3

Nancy Pelosi on Afghan Women
The House Speaker has a stern feminist warning for the Taliban.



Politics often requires blind loyalty, and on Afghanistan the word blind clearly applies to Nancy Pelosi. On Sunday the House Speaker issued a statement that began, “The President is to be commended for the clarity of purpose of his statement on Afghanistan and the actions he has taken.”

Then she got rolling. “We are deeply concerned about reports regarding the Taliban’s brutal treatment of all Afghans, especially women and girls. The U.S., the international community and the Afghan government must do everything we can to protect women and girls from inhumane treatment by the Taliban,” Mrs. Pelosi said.

But the “international community” was doing precisely that by maintaining a modest allied force and air power in Afghanistan. Now they’re gone, and we can see what will happen to the women and girls of that country.

“Any political settlement that the Afghans pursue to avert bloodshed must include having women at the table,” the Speaker added. Gotta love that “must.” That should impress the Taliban as it closes schools for girls, forces marriages to Taliban fighters, and bars women from public or prominent commercial life.

Mrs. Pelosi is so used to giving political lectures she doesn’t seem to realize she is detached from reality.



These guys would stop a hag like her getting any influence.