The Covid Emergency is Over

[Necrosis]

If people had natural immunity and/or no comorbidities, they had no reason to get a vaccine.  That aspect was ignored.

The mandate happened as Delta was changing to Omnicrom.  Omnicrom is what ended the pandemic.

The mandate was retarded, stupid, and assinine.

I agree. At the start everyone should of gotten the vaccine.

[Dos Equis]

I get his point, unless you are suggesting the only reason the mandates were in place was to "stop" transmission.

What mandates are you referring to? as a canadian I may not know what you are actually referencing.

The mandates included trying to force people to get the vaccine.  Like this one:

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[Grape Ape]

I agree. At the start everyone should of gotten the vaccine.

Many people had natural immunity by the time the experimental vaccine arrived.

And healthy folks didn't need it.

[Necrosis]

Many people had natural immunity by the time the experimental vaccine arrived.

And healthy folks didn't need it.

This is a bit revisionist and reductive.

The initial surge was quite deadly with some serious complications. Most people are not healthy.

When you say experimental you realize it was tested correct? it wasn't just a guess.

[IroNat]

Hey Necro, are you getting a Covid shot in the fall?

[Necrosis]

Hey Necro, are you getting a Covid shot in the fall?

I don't get any vaccines. Way to lazy for that.

[chaos]

*too
Retard

[Necrosis]

calm down fatty have a snack.

[Dos Equis]

This is a bit revisionist and reductive.

The initial surge was quite deadly with some serious complications. Most people are not healthy.

When you say experimental you realize it was tested correct? it wasn't just a guess.

This is false.  The initial (and continual) surge always targeted the same discrete group:  the elderly with comorbidities, the obese, and immunocompromised people.  For most everyone else it was like the cold, flu, or no symptoms at all. 

[Dos Equis]

*too
Retard

lol. 

[Dos Equis]

Jeffrey A Tucker
@jeffreytucker

🔥This from Rand Paul's latest documents is a huge and shocking data point, worth further investigation.

It suggests that the CIA and Pfizer knew they were lying to the public on the very need for a Covid shot at all. By the time of release, according to their own math, shared only privately, we would already have achieved herd immunity.

On May 7, 2020, CIA Chief Operating Officer Andy Makridis led a briefing with Pfizer's Scott Gottlieb. The CIA summary of the meeting: "On 'herd immunity' Dr. Gottlieb...believes nationally, the seroprevalence is about 20-25% which is insufficient for herd immunity at the R₀ (BRR) value of 3."

Screenshot attached. In the same time frame, he was telling the public it was low around 8%. Even 3.5 months later, August 16, 2020, he was STILL claiming a low seroprevalence rate nationally. Screenshots attached.

What this means: both Gottlieb AND the CIA KNEW early on that endemicity would be obtained by the time of the shot release. They lied in public while telling the truth in private.

https://x.com/jeffreytucker/status/2094837941952475225

[Humble Narcissist]

Jeffrey A Tucker
@jeffreytucker

🔥This from Rand Paul's latest documents is a huge and shocking data point, worth further investigation.

It suggests that the CIA and Pfizer knew they were lying to the public on the very need for a Covid shot at all. By the time of release, according to their own math, shared only privately, we would already have achieved herd immunity.

On May 7, 2020, CIA Chief Operating Officer Andy Makridis led a briefing with Pfizer's Scott Gottlieb. The CIA summary of the meeting: "On 'herd immunity' Dr. Gottlieb...believes nationally, the seroprevalence is about 20-25% which is insufficient for herd immunity at the R₀ (BRR) value of 3."

Screenshot attached. In the same time frame, he was telling the public it was low around 8%. Even 3.5 months later, August 16, 2020, he was STILL claiming a low seroprevalence rate nationally. Screenshots attached.

What this means: both Gottlieb AND the CIA KNEW early on that endemicity would be obtained by the time of the shot release. They lied in public while telling the truth in private.

https://x.com/jeffreytucker/status/2094837941952475225

The CIA is an enemy of the people. Remember the weapons of mass destruction?

[Necrosis]

This is false.  The initial (and continual) surge always targeted the same discrete group:  the elderly with comorbidities, the obese, and immunocompromised people.  For most everyone else it was like the cold, flu, or no symptoms at all.

False, death rate in china was 5.1%.

[Necrosis]

Jeffrey A Tucker
@jeffreytucker

🔥This from Rand Paul's latest documents is a huge and shocking data point, worth further investigation.

It suggests that the CIA and Pfizer knew they were lying to the public on the very need for a Covid shot at all. By the time of release, according to their own math, shared only privately, we would already have achieved herd immunity.

On May 7, 2020, CIA Chief Operating Officer Andy Makridis led a briefing with Pfizer's Scott Gottlieb. The CIA summary of the meeting: "On 'herd immunity' Dr. Gottlieb...believes nationally, the seroprevalence is about 20-25% which is insufficient for herd immunity at the R₀ (BRR) value of 3."

Screenshot attached. In the same time frame, he was telling the public it was low around 8%. Even 3.5 months later, August 16, 2020, he was STILL claiming a low seroprevalence rate nationally. Screenshots attached.

What this means: both Gottlieb AND the CIA KNEW early on that endemicity would be obtained by the time of the shot release. They lied in public while telling the truth in private.

https://x.com/jeffreytucker/status/2094837941952475225

Did you read the link?

[illuminati]

😂🤣😂  👍🏻

[Dos Equis]

False, death rate in china was 5.1%.

I don't know what the death rate in China was and I'm certainly not accepting anything you say at face value.  I was talking about the U.S.  It was never 5.1 percent in the U.S. and never a major threat outside of the groups I listed.  What I said is absolutely correct. 

[chaos]

National perspective: The overall case fatality rate (CFR) in mainland China during the early outbreak was estimated at roughly 2–3% when considering confirmed symptomatic cases. In Hubei, particularly in Wuhan, the CFR reached higher local values of 6–7% due to the concentrated outbreak and overwhelmed healthcare facilities.

[deadz]

The CIA is an enemy of the people. Remember the weapons of mass destruction?

CIA and every other government entity.

[Necrosis]

I don't know what the death rate in China was and I'm certainly not accepting anything you say at face value.  I was talking about the U.S.  It was never 5.1 percent in the U.S. and never a major threat outside of the groups I listed.  What I said is absolutely correct.

It absolutely was not correct. The epicenter had rates that may have exceeded 10%.

You shouldn't take anything at face value. Read the actual papers rather then getting your medical information from politicians and physicists, that will help you make a proper informed decision and is always best practice.

What you are saying is not factual. It's half-truths and confabulations.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-death-rate/

Even your argument about herd immunity is nonsensical. Anti-body tests disprove that assertion. Do you know what percent of folks would have had to get sick to achieve herd immunity? and what that timeline would of looked like.

On top of that, the charge that it was old sick people dying, while partially true is not the full picture and is a caricature of the actual facts. The majority of US citizens (if we are only talking US, although there is other places fyi) have at least one underlying health condition that would firmly put them in that category.

Again I did not like the handling of it but if there is no grey area with you then there is no point in continuing the discussion.

[Necrosis]

There are various estimates, some over 10% in the epicenter (as high as 17% by some estimates). The best papers estimate the initial surge at 5.1%. Viral drift occurred rapidly. The actual numbers are likely higher than the reported because of testing lapses, comorbidities and concomitant issues.

Post the link to your paper

[Grape Ape]

The actual numbers are likely higher than the reported

Similar to adverse effects on VAERS

[chaos]

Why does this guy lie so much? Is it a canadian thing? We all know it's a liberal thing but he claims he's not liberal (lol).
Must be the double whammy, canadian liberal...I'd rather associate with canadian indians than canadian liberals.

[Necrosis]

Post your study or....

I know it's hard for you to understand paraconsistency but that's what happens when things gain in complexity. I wish the world was as simple as you make it seem.

It's common sense that more people were infected than reported as there was shortages in testing kits and no testing done in some parts of the world.

[Humble Narcissist]

CIA and every other government entity.

Of course, but the CIA works in the shadows.

[Dos Equis]

It absolutely was not correct. The epicenter had rates that may have exceeded 10%.

You shouldn't take anything at face value. Read the actual papers rather then getting your medical information from politicians and physicists, that will help you make a proper informed decision and is always best practice.

What you are saying is not factual. It's half-truths and confabulations.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-death-rate/

Even your argument about herd immunity is nonsensical. Anti-body tests disprove that assertion. Do you know what percent of folks would have had to get sick to achieve herd immunity? and what that timeline would of looked like.

On top of that, the charge that it was old sick people dying, while partially true is not the full picture and is a caricature of the actual facts. The majority of US citizens (if we are only talking US, although there is other places fyi) have at least one underlying health condition that would firmly put them in that category.

Again I did not like the handling of it but if there is no grey area with you then there is no point in continuing the discussion.

Go back and read what I said.  I was talking about America.  I don't know what the death rate in China was and your numbers are all over the place regarding China. 

What I am saying is factual.  It came directly from the CDC.  One of the things they actually told the truth about:

"At the end of the day, most of us who get this infection will recover. The majority of people do — probably 98%, almost 98.5%, 99% recover. The challenge is the older, the vulnerable, the elderly, those with significant medical conditions where this virus has shown a propensity to have a significant mortality."

CDC Director On Models For The Months To Come: 'This Virus Is Going To Be With Us'
March 31, 2020
By Sam Whitehead, Carrie Feibel
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/03/31/824155179/cdc-director-on-models-for-the-months-to-come-this-virus-is-going-to-be-with-us

I knew nothing about herd immunity before the pandemic.  But I listened to people much smarter than you who educated me about it.  Along with natural immunity, lockdowns, closing schools, etc.  All of the things we got wrong in America.