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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #5150 on: June 14, 2023, 12:58:21 AM »
To think NATO and the US couldn't beat one country in Russia with all their combined might is astounding, all that firepower and a few pissy villages is all they can take. Russia v the rest of the world and Russias winning, just sad, western incompetence. Surely they can do better.

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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #5151 on: June 14, 2023, 04:55:58 AM »
To think NATO and the US couldn't beat one country in Russia with all their combined might is astounding, all that firepower and a few pissy villages is all they can take. Russia v the rest of the world and Russias winning, just sad, western incompetence. Surely they can do better.

NATO could do better with actual NATO soldiers on the ground...but that would make the mask of the independent conflict nature of this narrative slide right off.

But Ukraine with NATO arms will not beat Russia - just destroy another trillion dollars worth of NATO arms.

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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #5152 on: June 14, 2023, 07:37:39 AM »
Russian military equipment losses three times higher than Ukraine’s, visually confirmed evidence suggests

According to the visually confirmed losses tracker Oryx, as of June 2023, Ukraine has lost equipment at a rate three times lower than Russia in the ongoing Russian invasion of Ukraine; its tank losses are even lower: one-fourth of Russia’s. However, in some categories, Ukraine’s losses are roughly 2x.

While these indicators give only an approximate assessment of the real extent Russian and Ukrainian military equipment losses in the war in Ukraine, nevertheless, the proportion is relevant to describe the real-life situation, as both sides share footage of destroyed equipment extensively.

Oryx compiles lists of visually confirmed losses from both the Ukrainian and Russian sides; as of 13 June, the rates of losses reveal only three categories in which Ukraine’s losses exceed Russia’s (calculated as a ratio of Ukrainian vs Russian losses):

- Mine-Resistant Ambush Protected (MRAP) Vehicles and Infantry Mobility Vehicles (IMV) – 1.68
- Radars And Communications Equipment – 1.94
- Ships – 2.17

Russia especially has tried to target Ukraine’s air defense in recent months as it attempted to break through Ukraine’s “missile shield.” Unrelenting Russian missile and drone attacks have forced officials to raise the alarm about the possible exhaustion of Ukraine’s air defense and Ukraine’s allies to expedite the provision of air defense systems and ammunition.

However, in terms of tanks, Ukraine’s losses are only a quarter of Russia’s. Russia’s loss rates are especially high for Command posts and communications stations (Ukraine’s losses are only 0.05 of Russia’s) and for Electronic warfare systems (also 0.05).

https://euromaidanpress.com/2023/06/14/russias-equipment-losses-three-times-higher-than-ukraines-visually-confirmed-evidence-suggests/

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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #5153 on: June 14, 2023, 07:38:53 AM »

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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #5154 on: June 14, 2023, 09:03:27 AM »
Russian military equipment losses three times higher than Ukraine’s, visually confirmed evidence suggests

According to the visually confirmed losses tracker Oryx, as of June 2023, Ukraine has lost equipment at a rate three times lower than Russia in the ongoing Russian invasion of Ukraine; its tank losses are even lower: one-fourth of Russia’s. However, in some categories, Ukraine’s losses are roughly 2x.

While these indicators give only an approximate assessment of the real extent Russian and Ukrainian military equipment losses in the war in Ukraine, nevertheless, the proportion is relevant to describe the real-life situation, as both sides share footage of destroyed equipment extensively.

Oryx compiles lists of visually confirmed losses from both the Ukrainian and Russian sides; as of 13 June, the rates of losses reveal only three categories in which Ukraine’s losses exceed Russia’s (calculated as a ratio of Ukrainian vs Russian losses):

- Mine-Resistant Ambush Protected (MRAP) Vehicles and Infantry Mobility Vehicles (IMV) – 1.68
- Radars And Communications Equipment – 1.94
- Ships – 2.17

Russia especially has tried to target Ukraine’s air defense in recent months as it attempted to break through Ukraine’s “missile shield.” Unrelenting Russian missile and drone attacks have forced officials to raise the alarm about the possible exhaustion of Ukraine’s air defense and Ukraine’s allies to expedite the provision of air defense systems and ammunition.

However, in terms of tanks, Ukraine’s losses are only a quarter of Russia’s. Russia’s loss rates are especially high for Command posts and communications stations (Ukraine’s losses are only 0.05 of Russia’s) and for Electronic warfare systems (also 0.05).

https://euromaidanpress.com/2023/06/14/russias-equipment-losses-three-times-higher-than-ukraines-visually-confirmed-evidence-suggests/


Like asking Pfizer for data on its own MRNA vaccine.

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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #5155 on: June 14, 2023, 09:12:02 AM »
Bradley's are not armored enough for combat.

They are being used incorrectly.

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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #5156 on: June 14, 2023, 09:19:53 AM »
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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #5157 on: June 14, 2023, 09:23:19 AM »

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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #5158 on: June 14, 2023, 12:14:42 PM »
Finland is for Finns.

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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #5159 on: June 14, 2023, 12:15:49 PM »
Ukraine winning?

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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #5160 on: June 14, 2023, 12:21:46 PM »
Why? Or are you being sarcastic?
He is being elastic
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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #5161 on: June 14, 2023, 04:57:08 PM »
Fuck yeah!   We will bomb anybody and their momma.


But no one strong,just the weakling countries.
 
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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #5162 on: June 14, 2023, 05:21:41 PM »


Is that a record to be proud of ?

Yet Russia Bad.  ::)

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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #5163 on: June 15, 2023, 05:21:08 AM »
Bump.

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« Reply #5164 on: June 15, 2023, 05:30:57 AM »
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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #5167 on: June 15, 2023, 06:05:32 AM »
Wow:

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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #5168 on: June 15, 2023, 06:10:54 AM »
'200' means injured and '300' dead.


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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #5169 on: June 16, 2023, 02:17:03 AM »
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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #5171 on: June 18, 2023, 01:34:12 AM »

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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #5172 on: June 18, 2023, 01:49:33 AM »
Former convict tells of torturing troops and says he does ‘not regret a single thing’

A former Wagner mercenary has admitted to killing and torturing dozens of Ukrainian prisoners of war, in one of the most detailed first-person accounts of atrocities committed by Russian forces in Ukraine.

Alexey Savichev, 49, a former Russian convict recruited by Wagner last September, told the Guardian in a telephone interview that he participated in summary executions of Ukrainian prisoners of war during his six months of fighting in eastern Ukraine.

“We were told not to take any prisoners, and just shoot them on the spot,” he said.

In one instance, while fighting near the eastern Ukrainian city of Soledar last autumn, Savichev said he participated in the killings of 20 Ukrainian soldiers who were surrounded. “We sprayed them with our bullets,” he said. “It is war and I do not regret a single thing I did there. If I could, I would go back.”

Savichev said that in another episode, with other Wagner fighters he had killed “several dozen” injured Ukrainian PoWs by “tossing grenades” into the ditch where they were held near the city Bakhmut in January. “We would torture soldiers too, there weren’t any rules,” he said.

Savichev’s account was first published on Monday by the Gulagu.net rights group in an hour an 17 minute-long video, where he appeared alongside another former Wagner fighter, identified as Azamat Uldarov, who also said he had killed civilians, including children, during the battle for Bakhmut.

Uldarov said his fellow mercenaries in one instance killed a group of people who had taken shelter in the basement of a nine-floor block of flats in Bakhmut, including a young girl. “She was screaming, she was a little kid, she was five or six and I shot her, a kill shot. I wasn’t allowed to let anyone out, you understand?” Uldarov told Vladimir Osechkin, the head of the Gulagu.net rights group. He could not be reached for comment.

The Guardian cannot independently verify either man’s harrowing claim but has seen Russian penal documents showing that Savichev, who was a convicted murderer, was released from a prison in Voronezh, a city in south-west Russia, on a presidential pardon on 12 September.

Wagner has recruited tens of thousands of inmates, including convicted murderers, to fight in eastern Ukraine. They were offered freedom if they survived a near-suicidal six-month stint, one Savichev completed on 12 March.

Savichev also provided the Guardian with photographs of two medals that he said he received for the battle of Soledar, a town in eastern Ukraine that Wagner troops captured in early January.

His testimony appears to contribute towards a mounting body of evidence that sheds light on the war crimes committed by Russian soliders in Ukraine.

Earlier this month, two videos emerged showing Russian soldiers apparently beheading Ukrainian prisoners of war. Ukraine’s president, Volodymyr Zelenskiy, said the world could not ignore the “evil” footage, which has not been verified by the Guardian. “How easily these beasts kill. We are not going to forget anything. Neither are we going to forgive the murderers,” he said.

Responding to the interview published by Gulagu Net, Zelensky’s chief of staff, Andriy Yermak, said those responsible should be punished. “Confession is not enough. There must be a punishment. Tough and fair. And it will definitely be,” Yermak wrote on Twitter.

Since the start of the war, a number of Russian soldiers, including one former Wagner convict, have fled abroad and described witnessing Russian war crimes, but Savichev’s testimony is a rare account of a former Wagner soldier still in Russia.

Savichev said he has been on the run since giving his first interview on Monday and had received “multiple” threats.

Yevgeny Prigozhin, head of Wagner, said the account of the two former Wagner soldiers was a “flagrant lie” and that Wagner fighters “have never touched and do not touch” children.

Savichev said he feared he would face the same consequence as Yevgeny Nuzhin, a convicted murderer recruited by Wagner who surrendered to Ukrainian forces but was later handed over to Russia and executed. “I was with Wagner, and know what they can do to those who speak out,” Savichev said. “I understand I could die soon. I just don’t want my death to be violent.”

He said he had witnessed multiple summary killings of other Wagner fighters accused by their commanders of disobeying orders or of breaking the “code of conduct”, including regarding the consumption of alcohol.

Savichev said he joined Wagner after Prigozhin visited his IK-12 colony in Voronezh last September. “Prigozhin came to our prison and said that he was looking for killers. He said the regular army was full of wussies who couldn’t get the job done.”

He said he was accepted into Wagner despite his HIV diagnosis – Russia’s regular army does not permit soldiers with serious diseases to join its ranks. “They don’t care if you have HIV or hepatitis, as long as you can kill,” he said.

According to Savichev’s account, just over 100 prisoners from IK-12 in Voronezh signed up to fight with Wagner. After a two-week training course, he was sent to the frontlines, fighting first in Soledar and, after the town’s capture, in Bakhmut.

He said he was placed in small units of four that were used as “storming troops”, who were ordered to launch extremely dangerous assaults on Ukraine’s positions. He estimated that of the 100 prisoners recruited from his prison, only 21 returned alive. According to western estimates, Wagner has suffered more than 30,000 casualties, mostly former convicts, since Moscow’s invasion of Ukraine last February.

“We were basically just meat for our commanders, I still don’t know how I survived,” Savichev said. “No one gave a shit about us.”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/apr/18/wagner-mercenary-admits-tossing-grenades-at-injured-ukrainian-pows

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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #5173 on: June 18, 2023, 02:40:55 AM »
anyone who laughs at that is a total sicko ^^^

Also hundreds of Ukrainian soldiers have had their nuts castrated.

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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #5174 on: June 18, 2023, 03:17:55 AM »
anyone who laughs at that is a total sicko ^^^

Also hundreds of Ukrainian soldiers have had their nuts castrated.

You're reading and believing one side (libturd)... Ukraine soldiers are doing the same shit...