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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #7050 on: October 16, 2025, 01:04:40 AM »
It won't make a difference. Europe is delusional, and Trump is trying to distance himself from the Ukraine mess. Russia has already won.

Trump's military advisors told him 'Russia is losing'.

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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #7051 on: October 16, 2025, 01:58:39 AM »
Hopefully Putin ends this soon...& the little Warlord has a fatal accident
Will save many lives

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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #7052 on: November 30, 2025, 08:11:24 PM »
Zelensky corruption near him could mean his end is near.
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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #7053 on: December 01, 2025, 07:34:16 AM »
If Russia wins do they get all of Ukraine or just the eastern region?

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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #7054 on: December 01, 2025, 08:58:04 AM »
If Russia wins do they get all of Ukraine or just the eastern region?

As it stands now they’ll have to give up all of the Donbas, even areas they control and those two other regions Russia has control of. Crimea is long gone but I’d imagine the battle lines will reflect Ukraine new borders.

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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #7055 on: December 01, 2025, 09:22:11 AM »
If Russia wins do they get all of Ukraine or just the eastern region?

I'm not an expert but I don't think Russia wants the whole of Ukraine, never did. But may be forced cancel Ukraine as a country. They could have canceled the state at any time I think, just bomb Zelensky and all the politicians. Probably some fear of a WWIII too if they go too aggressive. So they hope for a settlement that seems secure and lasting but it seems impossible to me at this point. So more military destruction it is then. Trump was on board with the Russians at Anchorage, saying "ceasefires typically don't last" but has vacillated every way since then.

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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #7056 on: Today at 01:29:17 AM »
I'm not an expert but I don't think Russia wants the whole of Ukraine, never did. But may be forced cancel Ukraine as a country. They could have canceled the state at any time I think, just bomb Zelensky and all the politicians. Probably some fear of a WWIII too if they go too aggressive. So they hope for a settlement that seems secure and lasting but it seems impossible to me at this point. So more military destruction it is then. Trump was on board with the Russians at Anchorage, saying "ceasefires typically don't last" but has vacillated every way since then.

That was the original plan at least, when they tried to take Kiev, to control the government and then possibly incorporate the territory into Russia.

Concerning the peace deal, possibly could end with the current areas of control with a DMZ zone. Russia is also trying to bargain for extra territory which they haven't taken, though Ukraine would of course not accept this.

Could also be delaying tactics as used by North Vietnam where the 'negotiations' are a sham and a form of delaying tactics.

Either way, a peace deal with the current borders saves face for both sides:

Russia says they took the Russian-speaking areas.
Ukraine says they stopped Russia taking control of the entire country and government.

The map has barely changed:


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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #7057 on: Today at 04:03:16 AM »
That was the original plan at least, when they tried to take Kiev, to control the government and then possibly incorporate the territory into Russia.

Concerning the peace deal, possibly could end with the current areas of control with a DMZ zone. Russia is also trying to bargain for extra territory which they haven't taken, though Ukraine would of course not accept this.

Could also be delaying tactics as used by North Vietnam where the 'negotiations' are a sham and a form of delaying tactics.

Either way, a peace deal with the current borders saves face for both sides:

Russia says they took the Russian-speaking areas.
Ukraine says they stopped Russia taking control of the entire country and government.

The map has barely changed:



Except the West of Ukraine most people speak Russian or can.

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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #7058 on: Today at 04:13:47 AM »
The so called " Deutschrussen " i have met in Germany are thieving Bastards
utter trash

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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #7059 on: Today at 04:20:57 AM »
Except the West of Ukraine most people speak Russian or can.

Yes, referring mainly to those previous secessionist 'republics' which Russia helped prop up and whatever narrative they will probably try to use.