Texas school shooting

[AbrahamG]

It’s not insignificant, it’s important to be accurate when describing a firearm or parts of a firearm. You have fucking moron leftists that are literally trying to politicize guns when In fact most of these idiots have never shot one let along speak with expertise on one. Biden and that fucking moron Shiela Jackson Lee come to mind

Regarding the weapon and ammo used by the scumbag in Texas.  Should any 18 year old be able to walk in to any store that sells them and buy them?

[ThisisOverload]

Serious question.  Should any 18 year old be able to walk into Dick's Sporting Goods, purchase an assault rifle(s) and nearly 400 rounds of ammunition?  It seems common sense to me that if you can't legally drink or get stoned that maybe weapons of war should be put off a few years as well.  Please everyone keep your pants on.  I'm not a gun guy but I also don't give a flying fuck how many guns responsible people (like Coach and TIO to name just a couple) own, buy, etc. etc.

This is a very difficult situation for me. I grew up in the country and have been shooting guns since i was 6 years old. The way i was raised it was unheard of for anyone to disrespect a gun or use them in a negative way. Country dudes would beat the shit out of each other, but never pull a gun. Most of our dad's didn't even lock up their guns, my dad had a dozen rifles and shotguns in his closet, boxes of ammo on the top shelf. Nobody EVER dreamed of even touching them.

I think times have changed. As a red blooded American and far right leaning Libertarian, i believe in freedom of just about everything. But the subject of access to guns does bother me.

Should it be more difficult to buy a firearm? I think so.

I've met so many fucked up people who did terrible things in my life. I've known guys who have shot people and my best friend from High School robbed a bank, ran from cops, shot at cops and was arrested after he ran out of ammo. This guy was the quietest and nerdy guy around. But he met some bad people and a few years later became a bad person.

I think that this subject is very difficult for many, and it is for me. While i own more firearms (and other goodies) than i'd care to admit, 90% of them are for hunting or sport shooting. At the end of the day it isn't people like me and Coach committing these crimes.

But what are the limits of regulation? I'm against regulation of everything. But this is for people like me and others, who have never crossed any lines and follow the rules. In my entire life, even while under the influence of acid/alcohol/whatever, i've never once even "thought" about doing something dangerous with a gun, they are not toys. I used to carry a gun 24/7 when i lived in Houston and it wasn't because of people like Coach, it's the pieces of shit who have no soul. I've seen shootouts and i've had my life threatened before.

So how do we regulate the shit stains? This to me is so complex and i know that any further regulation will hurt people like me before it hurts the bad guy. Shit, i can buy an AK-47 from Mexico that has no numbers for a few hundred dollars. I can buy it this weekend if i want to. You just need to know the right guy and trust me they are very easy to find.

I won't give an answer to how "I" believe it should work, as i am very conflicted. Felons can't own a firearm, but they all have them and continue to use them for bad deeds.

Do we trust the government to have the "ability" to even regulate them? They seem to suck at regulating everything else.

What regulation has worked? How has the war on drugs worked out?

I won't comment on the Cops actions, they have rules to follow. Having the parents rush in there would have absolutely made things worse. But if my kid was in there, i'd be sneaking in that fucking school like John Rambo, quietly and quickly. I would have a serious hard time not going in, as i probably have more training than those Cops on scene.

In NM the Dick's don't sell any type of firearm or ammunition.

[epic is back]

This is a very difficult situation for me. I grew up in the country and have been shooting guns since i was 6 years old. The way i was raised it was unheard of for anyone to disrespect a gun or use them in a negative way. Country dudes would beat the shit out of each other, but never pull a gun. Most of our dad's didn't even lock up their guns, my dad had a dozen rifles and shotguns in his closet, boxes of ammo on the top shelf. Nobody EVER dreamed of even touching them.

I think times have changed. As a red blooded American and far right leaning Libertarian, i believe in freedom of just about everything. But the subject of access to guns does bother me.

Should it be more difficult to buy a firearm? I think so.

I've met so many fucked up people who did terrible things in my life. I've known guys who have shot people and my best friend from High School robbed a bank, ran from cops, shot at cops and was arrested after he ran out of ammo. This guy was the quietest and nerdy guy around. But he met some bad people and a few years later became a bad person.

I think that this subject is very difficult for many, and it is for me. While i own more firearms (and other goodies) than i'd care to admit, 90% of them are for hunting or sport shooting. At the end of the day it isn't people like me and Coach committing these crimes.

But what are the limits of regulation? I'm against regulation of everything. But this is for people like me and others, who have never crossed any lines and follow the rules. In my entire life, even while under the influence of acid/alcohol/whatever, i've never once even "thought" about doing something dangerous with a gun, they are not toys. I used to carry a gun 24/7 when i lived in Houston and it wasn't because of people like Coach, it's the pieces of shit who have no soul. I've seen shootouts and i've had my life threatened before.

So how do we regulate the shit stains? This to me is so complex and i know that any further regulation will hurt people like me before it hurts the bad guy. Shit, i can buy an AK-47 from Mexico that has no numbers for a few hundred dollars. I can buy it this weekend if i want to. You just need to know the right guy and trust me they are very easy to find.

I won't give an answer to how "I" believe it should work, as i am very conflicted. Felons can't own a firearm, but they all have them and continue to use them for bad deeds.

Do we trust the government to have the "ability" to even regulate them? They seem to suck at regulating everything else.

What regulation has worked? How has the war on drugs worked out?

I won't comment on the Cops actions, they have rules to follow. Having the parents rush in there would have absolutely made things worse. But if my kid was in there, i'd be sneaking in that fucking school like John Rambo, quietly and quickly. I would have a serious hard time not going in, as i probably have more training than those Cops on scene.

In NM the Dick's don't sell any type of firearm or ammunition.

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cliffs notes?

[Never1AShow]

Regarding the weapon and ammo used by the scumbag in Texas.  Should any 18 year old be able to walk in to any store that sells them and buy them?

Yes.  They can get married, serve in the military (and be required to register for the draft), and vote.  They've been driving a car since 16 (if not earlier).  As stated above, the Virginia Tech shooter who killed 32 people used two hand guns.  He was 23 and in college already for several years.

Would 21 matter?  25?  30?

As to "any 18 year old," remember it is already illegal for an 18 yr old felon, fugitive, alien, user or addict of controlled substances, or who has been adjudicated as a mental defective or who has been committed to a mental institution; or subject to a domestic violence restraining order; or been convicted of a misdemeanor domestic violence offense to buy a gun.

Perhaps those categories could be somehow expanded without limiting a law abiding 18 year old's ability to protect himself or his family, but it doesn't seem like any such expansion would have helped here where all the red flags were clearly ignored for years.

[Coach is Back!]

Regarding the weapon and ammo used by the scumbag in Texas.  Should any 18 year old be able to walk in to any store that sells them and buy them?

Yes, the Second Amendment allows it with contingencies from state to state. if you’re referring to Texas, an 18 year old can purchase a long gun but not a pistol until he/she is  21. The law regarding the purchase of a long gun at 18 in Texas has been around for more than 60 years with little to no problems.

https://guides.sll.texas.gov/gun-laws/background-checks

[Dokey111]

I read a post by a gentleman who was outraged about the school shooting, and expressed anxiety about his own elementary school age son's safety (guy's a liberal) and he goes on a rant and says that this doesn't happen in other countries and why do we allow it to happen here In USA guns etc etc.

I'm like - then why do you take that risk every day with your son's life? Are you crazy?  Why don't you move to one of these other countries where you can feel safer?

He obviously would not risk his son's life if he felt there was a true danger, it goes without saying. 

What is it with these people?

[Never1AShow]

If only there were some way that the government could identify the violent people and lock them up before they committed the crime.  Sound good?

[Coach is Back!]

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/05/blood-hands-democrats-introduced-bill-get-police-schools-despite-slaughtered-children-video/

[Bevo]

If only there were some way that the government could identify the violent people and lock them up before they committed the crime.  Sound good?

Like the movie minority report

[AbrahamG]

This is a very difficult situation for me. I grew up in the country and have been shooting guns since i was 6 years old. The way i was raised it was unheard of for anyone to disrespect a gun or use them in a negative way. Country dudes would beat the shit out of each other, but never pull a gun. Most of our dad's didn't even lock up their guns, my dad had a dozen rifles and shotguns in his closet, boxes of ammo on the top shelf. Nobody EVER dreamed of even touching them.

I think times have changed. As a red blooded American and far right leaning Libertarian, i believe in freedom of just about everything. But the subject of access to guns does bother me.

Should it be more difficult to buy a firearm? I think so.

I've met so many fucked up people who did terrible things in my life. I've known guys who have shot people and my best friend from High School robbed a bank, ran from cops, shot at cops and was arrested after he ran out of ammo. This guy was the quietest and nerdy guy around. But he met some bad people and a few years later became a bad person.

I think that this subject is very difficult for many, and it is for me. While i own more firearms (and other goodies) than i'd care to admit, 90% of them are for hunting or sport shooting. At the end of the day it isn't people like me and Coach committing these crimes.

But what are the limits of regulation? I'm against regulation of everything. But this is for people like me and others, who have never crossed any lines and follow the rules. In my entire life, even while under the influence of acid/alcohol/whatever, i've never once even "thought" about doing something dangerous with a gun, they are not toys. I used to carry a gun 24/7 when i lived in Houston and it wasn't because of people like Coach, it's the pieces of shit who have no soul. I've seen shootouts and i've had my life threatened before.

So how do we regulate the shit stains? This to me is so complex and i know that any further regulation will hurt people like me before it hurts the bad guy. Shit, i can buy an AK-47 from Mexico that has no numbers for a few hundred dollars. I can buy it this weekend if i want to. You just need to know the right guy and trust me they are very easy to find.

I won't give an answer to how "I" believe it should work, as i am very conflicted. Felons can't own a firearm, but they all have them and continue to use them for bad deeds.

Do we trust the government to have the "ability" to even regulate them? They seem to suck at regulating everything else.

What regulation has worked? How has the war on drugs worked out?

I won't comment on the Cops actions, they have rules to follow. Having the parents rush in there would have absolutely made things worse. But if my kid was in there, i'd be sneaking in that fucking school like John Rambo, quietly and quickly. I would have a serious hard time not going in, as i probably have more training than those Cops on scene.

In NM the Dick's don't sell any type of firearm or ammunition.

As usual you provide a thoughtful and well reasoned response.  I appreciate that as well as you not attacking me or getting hysterical.  Thank you. 

The war on drugs is a fucking joke.  That is more about incarcerating people than it is regulation.

I think the FDA does some good work.  We have a pretty safe food and water supply.  Flint, Michigan not withstanding. 

I think the FAA does a pretty good job (9/11 not withstanding) of keeping us safe.

I think our system for how one can obtain a drivers license is for the most part pretty fair and reasonable.  I think a similar approach to guns could work.  Maybe if you are between 18 and 21 you have to go through a set number of safety classes, competency exams and have some restrictions.  Once you are 21 and can prove that you are competent and pass a reasonable exam then you are good to go.  Is anything going to make it go away entirely?  No.  But if something like this or anything for that matter can slow it down, save some lives, then I am all for it.  I've see recent studies that indicate boys brains aren't fully developed til around age 25.  Someone who does fucked up things at 18 may not do them at 21, 25, etc. 

Why is it that I always hear Republicans suggest it's a mental health issue?  I happen to agree that mental health plays a huge role.  My problem is that Gov. Abbott in true Republican form slashed a couple hundred million from the budget that supported mental health.  We can't have it both ways, right?

[epic is back]

you dont sacrifice the majority

for the minority

[Coach is Back!]

As usual you provide a thoughtful and well reasoned response.  I appreciate that as well as you not attacking me or getting hysterical.  Thank you. 

The war on drugs is a fucking joke.  That is more about incarcerating people than it is regulation.

I think the FDA does some good work.  We have a pretty safe food and water supply.  Flint, Michigan not withstanding. 

I think the FAA does a pretty good job (9/11 not withstanding) of keeping us safe.

I think our system for how one can obtain a drivers license is for the most part pretty fair and reasonable.  I think a similar approach to guns could work.  Maybe if you are between 18 and 21 you have to go through a set number of safety classes, competency exams and have some restrictions.  Once you are 21 and can prove that you are competent and pass a reasonable exam then you are good to go.  Is anything going to make it go away entirely?  No.  But if something like this or anything for that matter can slow it down, save some lives, then I am all for it.  I've see recent studies that indicate boys brains aren't fully developed til around age 25.  Someone who does fucked up things at 18 may not do them at 21, 25, etc. 

Why is it that I always hear Republicans suggest it's a mental health issue?  I happen to agree that mental health plays a huge role.  My problem is that Gov. Abbott in true Republican form slashed a couple hundred million from the budget that supported mental health.  We can't have it both ways, right?

Read the article I posted above

[Coach is Back!]

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/05/democratic-hypocrite-chuck-schumer-blocks-school-safety-legislation-texas-shooting/

[Never1AShow]

There are 400 million guns in the US.  You might as well be proposing force fields or teleportation of police officers.

Regulate everything except the drugs and depravity pushed by liberals.  You liars locked down society and closed schools for 2 years now the mental health issues are rampant.  105,000 drug ODs last year and it keeps going up.

[AbrahamG]

Read the article I posted above

I think we can walk and chew gum at the same time.  I wish we didn't have any reason to even think there is a need for police or armed guards at our schools.  I also wish that the relationship between the black community and police was as at least as good as it is with other communities.  I think we as a country should tackle both issues along with firearm safety.  I did finally read your article.  It seems pretty cut and dry but like you have credibility issues with CNN and other main stream news outlets, I have the same issues with Gateway Pundit and the like. 

Defund the police was a fucking retarded slogan.  I think it should be re-funded at a higher level with more specialty divisions as well.  I think having a police presence in schools could be a wonderful opportunity for police to get to know black children and where they come from and in turn send these kids out into the world with a much more positive view of law enforcement.  Community policing would help too. 

At the end of the day an all hands on deck approach is the only way to get things done.  To get this country from being an embarrassment as to how violent we appear to the rest of the world.  I don't have all the answers but I'm willing to try anything at this point so that some day a week, month or hopefully years go by without seeing horrific carnage like this week. 

[AbrahamG]

There are 400 million guns in the US.  You might as well be proposing force fields or teleportation of police officers.

Regulate everything except the drugs and depravity pushed by liberals.  You liars locked down society and closed schools for 2 years now the mental health issues are rampant.  105,000 drug ODs last year and it keeps going up.

You sound more interested in name calling and fighting than solving problems.  Unfortunately, that won't save lives and will continue to make people of good will on both sides appear farther and farther apart. 

[Never1AShow]

You sound more interested in name calling and fighting than solving problems.  Unfortunately, that won't save lives and will continue to make people of good will on both sides appear farther and farther apart.

You don't want to solve the problem, you want to feel good by pretending to do something that won't work.

[AbrahamG]

You don't want to solve the problem, you want to feel good by pretending to do something that won't work.

That's fair.  Seeing children slaughtered and families/communities devastated is worth it to me as long as I feel I'm right.  Keep proving my point. 

[Never1AShow]

That's fair.  Seeing children slaughtered and families/communities devastated is worth it to me as long as I feel I'm right.  Keep proving my point.

How much mental health counseling could have been bought by the tens of billions wasted on the unnecessary Covid lockdowns and school closures?  Or the border lawlessness leading to a flood of drugs and ODs?  Guns have been around forever.  Keep pushing the leftist bullshit that is wrecking the country.   

[Coach is Back!]

My only speculation is and this is just my opinion, they didn’t know exactly which room(s) he was barricaded in, possibly getting a layout of the school, entrances, exits, hallways and CQB plans, how many men to use in a CQB.

Hallways, room entrances are also known as “fatal funnels” meaning those are the most vulnerable areas for teams to go into.

Again, this is just my opinion trying to give them the benefit of the doubt

Even references the “fatal funnel”

[Walter Sobchak]

I read a post by a gentleman who was outraged about the school shooting, and expressed anxiety about his own elementary school age son's safety (guy's a liberal) and he goes on a rant and says that this doesn't happen in other countries and why do we allow it to happen here In USA guns etc etc.

I'm like - then why do you take that risk every day with your son's life? Are you crazy?  Why don't you move to one of these other countries where you can feel safer?

He obviously would not risk his son's life if he felt there was a true danger, it goes without saying. 

What is it with these people?

Yes, he should move somewhere safe, like Mexico, Colombia, Brazil, or the Ukraine.

🙄

[Never1AShow]

https://www.fbi.gov/about/partnerships/office-of-partner-engagement/active-shooter-incidents-graphics

 

[Never1AShow]

There's no way I couldn't post this here

[Stephano]

Even references the “fatal funnel”

Coach, this is pathetic.  The cops -- who are not your friends, by the way -- fucked up bigtime.  They are sniveling cowards. Period.

[Moontrane]

who cares if they think it's armalite rifle or assault rifle or whatever, same w "clip" vs "magazine".  Insignificant to the discussion at hand.

One of my cousins is a retired FDNY Lieutenant.  He once gave me a tour of his house (station) and showed me a bunch of equipment on the trucks and described them and their uses in detail.

The subject of guns arose and he essentially put his fingers in his ears and said, “I can’t hear you,” because he was so anti-gun.  A most curious elision.

If the differences between an assault rifle and a semiautomatic rifle (or semiautomatic handgun, for that matter) mean nothing, so be it.

Some people just don’t wanna know.