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Re: Covid Lab Leak Theory
« Reply #75 on: May 20, 2026, 05:29:40 PM »
Typically, a group size of around twelve people is considered optimal for reaching consensus effectively, as larger groups can complicate the process.
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« Reply #76 on: May 20, 2026, 06:16:40 PM »
Typically, a group size of around twelve people is considered optimal for reaching consensus effectively, as larger groups can complicate the process.

This is the approximate number of folks sitting at the bargaining table in the multiple contract negotiations I participated in on behalf of Classified employees for many years. We liked to think reaching consensus as "getting to yes." Yes, being an agreed upon acceptable contract between the district (management representing the school board), and Union officers who represented Classified employees. If I remember correctly, there was only one contract negotiation requiring a moderator and we still did not reach consensus until we picked the district during a board meeting in front of the administration offices.   

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Re: Covid Lab Leak Theory
« Reply #77 on: May 20, 2026, 06:37:19 PM »
What kind of retard uses a 4 year old paper funded by the government? Same people that helped develop the virus. LOL nothing to see here!!
And still they left behind hints in their paid for "findings".

lol. You actually read it?  I bet he didn't.   :)

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« Reply #78 on: May 20, 2026, 06:39:26 PM »
In your view, how many people are needed to reach consensus? Would you agree that, technically, consensus can exist with as few as two people? It can also refer to a broader or more general agreement. Were you looking for a more formal consensus?

Your questions don't really have anything to do with this context.  We're not talking about two people.  Or a handful of people.  The context is the entire medical and scientific community.

I don't know where you got your consensus comment, which is why I asked.  There is very clear evidence that this virus came from a lab. 

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« Reply #79 on: May 21, 2026, 03:16:10 AM »
Typically, a group size of around twelve people is considered optimal for reaching consensus effectively, as larger groups can complicate the process.

Do you really want to embarrass yourself again with this? last time you couldn't even read the paper nor understand what it said. I posted the paper and you post a line from the abstract as a gotcha when I clearly said it weighed multiple sides.

Come on man,  show some intelligence.

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« Reply #80 on: May 21, 2026, 03:21:15 AM »
Tell us you lick the government boot without saying you lick the government boot. LOL dumbass

You are dumb and unfortunately in a cult it appears.

The W in WHO stands for world ftr.

Bro trusts pundits getting paid by the very same government over experts in the field from across the globe. Brilliant!! Thinks the democrats unleased the virus which has been categorized as zoonotic 100s of times in many variants to control us. The nations across the world- autocracies, dictatorships all bowed to the democrats wishes LOL

LOL. I gotta stop posting on here, it's making me dumber just interacting with these folks.


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Re: Covid Lab Leak Theory
« Reply #81 on: May 21, 2026, 06:39:43 AM »
lol. You actually read it?  I bet he didn't.   :)
I read enough to see that only a moron would post that and think it reaffirmed his point of view.
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« Reply #82 on: May 21, 2026, 09:16:51 AM »
I read enough to see that only a moron would post that and think it reaffirmed his point of view.

Nice one, I see you guys are trauma bonding again.

Imagine weighing both sides. You ever do that except at the buffet?

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« Reply #83 on: May 21, 2026, 02:52:01 PM »
Your questions don't really have anything to do with this context.  We're not talking about two people.  Or a handful of people.  The context is the entire medical and scientific community.

I don't know where you got your consensus comment, which is why I asked.  There is very clear evidence that this virus came from a lab.

I initiated this context -- not you. Therefore, whether my questions have anything to do with what 'this context' is, is not for you to determine. 

Just imagine. However, consensus generally favors a natural zoonotic origin.


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Re: Covid Lab Leak Theory
« Reply #84 on: May 21, 2026, 04:48:28 PM »
I read enough to see that only a moron would post that and think it reaffirmed his point of view.

He is a legend in his own mind.  Very entertaining though.    :)

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« Reply #85 on: May 21, 2026, 04:51:44 PM »
I initiated this context -- not you. Therefore, whether my questions have anything to do with what 'this context' is, is not for you to determine.

You mentioned consensus.  Then you tried to limit consensus to some irrelevant context involving a handful of people.  You are obviously free to do that, but it doesn’t make any sense in this context (so to speak).

And the real issue is whether this virus came from a lab.  I frankly don’t care what the consensus is, because so many people in powerful positions outright lied to us, repeatedly, during the pandemic. 

As I’ve said, this virus came from a lab.  Hard to reach any other reasonable conclusion based on the evidence. 

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« Reply #86 on: May 21, 2026, 05:53:03 PM »
You mentioned consensus.  Then you tried to limit consensus to some irrelevant context involving a handful of people.  You are obviously free to do that, but it doesn’t make any sense in this context (so to speak).

And the real issue is whether this virus came from a lab.  I frankly don’t care what the consensus is, because so many people in powerful positions outright lied to us, repeatedly, during the pandemic. 

As I’ve said, this virus came from a lab.  Hard to reach any other reasonable conclusion based on the evidence.

Not that you should care about the consensus, that you don't care what the consensus is reveals a great deal about how you process information. I understand that it is hard for you to reach any other reasonable conclusion based on what you consider to be solid evidence to support it. Most people want to be right. Almost nobody wants to be wrong. This is just human nature.

Unlike you, I do not know whether COVID came from a lab or was spread, humans via zoonosis or both (which seems likely to me). What I do know is that it was a worldwide, devasting pandemic, and that the virus continues to exist, and people continue to die from it.

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Re: Covid Lab Leak Theory
« Reply #87 on: May 21, 2026, 06:35:30 PM »
Not that you should care about the consensus, that you don't care what the consensus is reveals a great deal about how you process information. I understand that it is hard for you to reach any other reasonable conclusion based on what you consider to be solid evidence to support it. Most people want to be right. Almost nobody wants to be wrong. This is just human nature.

Unlike you, I do not know whether COVID came from a lab or was spread, humans via zoonosis or both (which seems likely to me). What I do know is that it was a worldwide, devasting pandemic, and that the virus continues to exist, and people continue to die from it.

I make decisions based on facts, evidence, and common sense.  Using those three, it is fairly easy to understand that this virus came from a lab. 

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« Reply #88 on: May 22, 2026, 03:59:42 PM »
I make decisions based on facts, evidence, and common sense.  Using those three, it is fairly easy to understand that this virus came from a lab.

You believe you make decisions based on facts, evidence, and common sense. This does not guarantee that your decisions are always correct.

Have you ever considered that two things can be true at the same time? In this case, that the COVID virus could have accidentally leaked from the Wuhan Institute of Virology but also because of natural zoonotic transmission?

I previously mentioned consensus generally favors a natural zoonotic origin. You asked what consensus. One would hope that to conclude that the COVID pandemic is the result of the Wuhan lab leak you would have investigated other possibilities and therefore known that the leading consensus among major health organizations, including the World Health Organization is that COVID is of zoonotic origin. Zoonotic spillover is also the consensus of the scientific community at large.

COVID is a virus like SARS, MERS, and Ebola, and the vast majority of emerging infectious diseases in human history are zoonotic. The virus "Monkeypox" or Mpox was first identified in captive monkeys used for research in 1958. But there are also many viruses resulting from accidental laboratory escapes, such as the Russian Flu and the Marburg virus, and many other viruses.



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Re: Covid Lab Leak Theory
« Reply #89 on: May 22, 2026, 05:24:43 PM »
The consensus is split and recognizes the possibility of a lab leak. Why don't these idiots accept that?
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« Reply #90 on: May 22, 2026, 05:59:23 PM »
The consensus is split and recognizes the possibility of a lab leak. Why don't these idiots accept that?

My post allows for the COVID virus to be both a lab leak and a zoonotic origin.

Technically and by definition (consensus means absolute agreement), and therefore it cannot be split except in computer science and game theory. When consensus cannot be reached, it becomes
a majority rule, a split decision, or a deadlock.

The term "consensus" is frequently misused to describe a simple majority.

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Re: Covid Lab Leak Theory
« Reply #91 on: May 22, 2026, 09:28:42 PM »
You believe you make decisions based on facts, evidence, and common sense. This does not guarantee that your decisions are always correct.

Have you ever considered that two things can be true at the same time? In this case, that the COVID virus could have accidentally leaked from the Wuhan Institute of Virology but also because of natural zoonotic transmission?

I previously mentioned consensus generally favors a natural zoonotic origin. You asked what consensus. One would hope that to conclude that the COVID pandemic is the result of the Wuhan lab leak you would have investigated other possibilities and therefore known that the leading consensus among major health organizations, including the World Health Organization is that COVID is of zoonotic origin. Zoonotic spillover is also the consensus of the scientific community at large.

COVID is a virus like SARS, MERS, and Ebola, and the vast majority of emerging infectious diseases in human history are zoonotic. The virus "Monkeypox" or Mpox was first identified in captive monkeys used for research in 1958. But there are also many viruses resulting from accidental laboratory escapes, such as the Russian Flu and the Marburg virus, and many other viruses.

I don't "believe" that I make decisions based facts, evidence, and common sense.  That's literally what I do.  I follow the facts wherever they lead.  And I've said things on this board that probably everyone at some point has disagreed with.

I've never said I'm always correct.  I'm not.  That is a straw man.  I've been wrong about a lot of things.  I change my mind all the time.  Like about Trump.  I devoted an entire thread to tracking how badly I thought he would lose in 2016, using the fact that the majority of primary votes went to other candidates.  And we see how that prediction turned out. 

Regarding Covid, why would you place any stock in the "consensus" when they were so incredibly dishonest and so wrong about the pandemic?  I knew nothing about pandemics before Covid.  When I started listening to the unbiased experts, I learned so much.  And a lot of what I learned conflicted with the "consensus."

A refresher:

- Fauci treated Covid the same way he treated HIV and AIDS when it first developed.  Do you remember how he and the "consensus" tried to tell us it was not a gay disease and that everyone had the same risk?  That was a lie.  Just like with Covid, there was a discreet group of people at risk:  people having gay/anal sex, intravenous drug users, people getting blood transfusions, and people with third world health immune systems.   

- They did the same thing with Covid.  Covid (as a deadly virus) targeted discreet groups:  the elderly with comorbidites, the obese, and immuno-comprmised people.  It was lethal for those groups.  For everyone else, it was largely like the cold or flu.  My first clue that we were overstating the risk was when the study first came out in Italy (?) where the average age of people dying was over 80.  Then the people dying here early on were in nursing homes. 

- The "consensus" cooked the books regarding the death toll, where people who died "with" Covid were listed as dying "from" Covid.

- I learned that kids are not effective transmitters of the virus and do not get seriously ill or die from it.  Minuscule numbers.  So we should have never shut down the schools.

- I learned that when a virus is out in the community, lockdowns are ineffective.  So we should not have shut down the country, even though the "consensus" said we should.  Remember 14 days to slow the spread?

- I learned that natural immunity was as or more effective than the vaccines, despite what the "consensus" said.

- I learned that the lockdowns interfered with herd immunity, which actually made the pandemic last longer.

- I listened while people from the CDC, to talking heads, to the POTUS lied to us and said the vaccines would stop the spread of the virus. 

- I heard Facui and the "consensus" tell us that masks would stop the spread of the virus.  Wrong.

- I watched while they tried to force essentially the entire country to take an experimental vaccine, when that vaccine neither stopped you from catching nor spreading the virus.

- I heard the "consensus" tell us that six feet of social distancing was required and based on science, only to later learn that they pulled six feet out of their rear end, that effective social distancing was more like about 30 feet, and they picked 6 because it would be easier to sell to the public.

- I saw how Fauci and his gangsters tried to censor anything that contradicted their narrative.  And now we see exactly why he wanted a pardon.

There is more, but given this, why in God's name would I give any credence to the "consensus"? 

I don't think there is anything wrong with looking at the consensus, but you still have to think for yourself and see if what they are saying makes sennse.  For example, a friend of mine who actually recently passed away was mad at me during the pandemic because she said that we had a crisis in Hawaii with Covid patients being quarantined, taking up hospital space, and that we only had about 500 ventilators in the entire state.  (Her husband is a doctor.). When I asked how many Covid patients are actually using ventilators, she lost her mind, started telling me "you're not a doctor," etc.  I said:  "yeah, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night."  That didn't go over too well.  ;D. The point was:  how could the limited number of ventilators be a crisis unless they were actually being monopolized by Covid patients. 

But I digress.  If you actually look at the evidence and think about this logically it's hard to come any other reasonable conclusion. 

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Re: Covid Lab Leak Theory
« Reply #92 on: May 22, 2026, 09:31:53 PM »
The consensus is split and recognizes the possibility of a lab leak. Why don't these idiots accept that?

One of things that convinced me this came from the lab--that was actually doing gain of function research a few miles from the outbreak--was the science behind how contagious the virus was at the inception of the outbreak.  Viruses that jump from animals to humans have to go through various stages before they become deadly to humans.  This virus came out of the gate deadly, skipping the progression that happens in pretty much every other jump from animals to humans.  There is a lot of other evidence, but that was the strongest piece to me.

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« Reply #93 on: Today at 03:35:53 AM »
The consensus is split and recognizes the possibility of a lab leak. Why don't these idiots accept that?

It is not, that's simply a fact. Did you not read the paper which went through the various arguments and rationale?

How would you or dos equis even attempt to understand the data? you have zero background in the subject yet think you are able to evaluate the literature? your assertions are based on spurious links and leaps of logic that make no sense based on faulty reasoning because you don't understand the subject. It's like me trying to determine if the dominion machines were tampered with. I have no idea as I do not have a basic understanding of the machines, how they work, the software etc.. when it went to court experts proved that they weren't, therefore, fox was ordered to pay them.

The largest organizations in the world believe that the probability based on the available evidence is that it was zoonotic. Obviously you can't be 100% certain on matters like this and its truly epidemiological in essence.


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« Reply #94 on: Today at 03:40:48 AM »
I don't "believe" that I make decisions based facts, evidence, and common sense.  That's literally what I do.  I follow the facts wherever they lead.  And I've said things on this board that probably everyone at some point has disagreed with.

I've never said I'm always correct.  I'm not.  That is a straw man.  I've been wrong about a lot of things.  I change my mind all the time.  Like about Trump.  I devoted an entire thread to tracking how badly I thought he would lose in 2016, using the fact that the majority of primary votes went to other candidates.  And we see how that prediction turned out. 

Regarding Covid, why would you place any stock in the "consensus" when they were so incredibly dishonest and so wrong about the pandemic?  I knew nothing about pandemics before Covid.  When I started listening to the unbiased experts, I learned so much.  And a lot of what I learned conflicted with the "consensus."

A refresher:

- Fauci treated Covid the same way he treated HIV and AIDS when it first developed.  Do you remember how he and the "consensus" tried to tell us it was not a gay disease and that everyone had the same risk?  That was a lie.  Just like with Covid, there was a discreet group of people at risk:  people having gay/anal sex, intravenous drug users, people getting blood transfusions, and people with third world health immune systems.   

- They did the same thing with Covid.  Covid (as a deadly virus) targeted discreet groups:  the elderly with comorbidites, the obese, and immuno-comprmised people.  It was lethal for those groups.  For everyone else, it was largely like the cold or flu.  My first clue that we were overstating the risk was when the study first came out in Italy (?) where the average age of people dying was over 80.  Then the people dying here early on were in nursing homes. 

- The "consensus" cooked the books regarding the death toll, where people who died "with" Covid were listed as dying "from" Covid.


 

- I learned that kids are not effective transmitters of the virus and do not get seriously ill or die from it.  Minuscule numbers.  So we should have never shut down the schools.

- I learned that when a virus is out in the community, lockdowns are ineffective.  So we should not have shut down the country, even though the "consensus" said we should.  Remember 14 days to slow the spread?

- I learned that natural immunity was as or more effective than the vaccines, despite what the "consensus" said.

- I learned that the lockdowns interfered with herd immunity, which actually made the pandemic last longer.

- I listened while people from the CDC, to talking heads, to the POTUS lied to us and said the vaccines would stop the spread of the virus. 

- I heard Facui and the "consensus" tell us that masks would stop the spread of the virus.  Wrong.

- I watched while they tried to force essentially the entire country to take an experimental vaccine, when that vaccine neither stopped you from catching nor spreading the virus.

- I heard the "consensus" tell us that six feet of social distancing was required and based on science, only to later learn that they pulled six feet out of their rear end, that effective social distancing was more like about 30 feet, and they picked 6 because it would be easier to sell to the public.

- I saw how Fauci and his gangsters tried to censor anything that contradicted their narrative.  And now we see exactly why he wanted a pardon.

There is more, but given this, why in God's name would I give any credence to the "consensus"? 

I don't think there is anything wrong with looking at the consensus, but you still have to think for yourself and see if what they are saying makes sennse.  For example, a friend of mine who actually recently passed away was mad at me during the pandemic because she said that we had a crisis in Hawaii with Covid patients being quarantined, taking up hospital space, and that we only had about 500 ventilators in the entire state.  (Her husband is a doctor.). When I asked how many Covid patients are actually using ventilators, she lost her mind, started telling me "you're not a doctor," etc.  I said:  "yeah, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night."  That didn't go over too well.  ;D. The point was:  how could the limited number of ventilators be a crisis unless they were actually being monopolized by Covid patients. 

But I digress.  If you actually look at the evidence and think about this logically it's hard to come any other reasonable conclusion.

LOL

extensive genomic analysis shows no signs of engineering, there are several hallmarks.

Covid has been around for a long time, many variations, the jump from animals to humans is exactly how other viruses emerged and were more lethal- ebola, HIV, sars etc etc..

There goes two of your "arguments"


I died at the HIV argument, well done.
 

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Re: Covid Lab Leak Theory
« Reply #95 on: Today at 07:35:11 AM »
One of things that convinced me this came from the lab--that was actually doing gain of function research a few miles from the outbreak--was the science behind how contagious the virus was at the inception of the outbreak.  Viruses that jump from animals to humans have to go through various stages before they become deadly to humans.  This virus came out of the gate deadly, skipping the progression that happens in pretty much every other jump from animals to humans.  There is a lot of other evidence, but that was the strongest piece to me.
Every study and paper written leaves open the possibility of lab leak, no matter how hard the study tries to tie it to animal/human transmission. They all slip a line or two in there about lab leak being a possibility. Some people are too stupid to understand what that means.
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« Reply #96 on: Today at 07:42:11 AM »
One of things that convinced me this came from the lab--that was actually doing gain of function research a few miles from the outbreak--was the science behind how contagious the virus was at the inception of the outbreak.  Viruses that jump from animals to humans have to go through various stages before they become deadly to humans.  This virus came out of the gate deadly, skipping the progression that happens in pretty much every other jump from animals to humans.  There is a lot of other evidence, but that was the strongest piece to me.
& in my opinion it was leaked on purpose

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Re: Covid Lab Leak Theory
« Reply #97 on: Today at 07:51:05 AM »
i´ve posted this before & porton Down was a Lab for Germ warfare in the UK,
experiments were carried out on live persons too, sometimes without their knowledge.
I remember when i was in the Army they asked for volunteers for experiments at Porton Down offering extra pay & leave
one idiot was going to do it untill we stopped him, we called him Speedy  ;D