Robert De Niro's 19-year-old grandson died after being sold fentanyl-laced pills

[Walter Sobchak]

Maybe if buying underground products  instead of snorting 3 pills the minute you get them or injecting 3cc out of an underground bathroom try half a pill or 1/2cc first and make sure you don’t have a bad reaction.

Good illegal drug practices from the board drug addict.

[Dave D]

Maybe if buying underground products  instead of snorting 3 pills the minute you get them or injecting 3cc out of an underground bathroom try half a pill or 1/2cc first and make sure you don’t have a bad reaction.

Are you using fentanyl? You need to up the dose.

[BB]

Maybe if buying underground products  instead of snorting 3 pills the minute you get them or injecting 3cc out of an underground bathroom try half a pill or 1/2cc first and make sure you don’t have a bad reaction.

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"Let me tell you something Joe Rogan. Years ago on the East Coast I knew this guy, Brian Higgins, Bram Harkins, something like that. Greatest pill tester you ever saw Joe Rogan. He'd sit there for hours just testing things, snorting them, shooting them. Boy, he'd sit there till his ass bled, the guy just couldn't be faded Joe. This fucking guy was a junkie's junkie, get this, I think he married a drug court attorney."

[Matt]

Agreed.  In my mind, there’s a big difference between unknowingly selling some fentanyl-laced drug vs knowingly manufacturing and selling some fentanyl-laced drugs as clean and legit.  The law doesn’t agree, but that’s just part of our draconian legal system.

I think this is an important distinction.

Like when I bought my gear last month, I knew it was underground gear. I knew the risks. Neither myself nor the person who sold them to me knew that the gear was prop-heavy until multiple people reported pain at the injection site.

I guess it's hard to find good chemists.

This is Sustanon 250 I'm using, but I'm only 750mg in so far, so I haven't started a new cycle thread.

IMO, the chemist probably knew using more prop could cause this problem, but took his chances.

I have no hard feelings. I was offered a refund, but said no.

I would argue that the dealer shouldn't sell anything as real unless he is pretty damn sure.

So I could also argue:
If De Niro's grandson Leandro's dealer felt there was ANY chance there was Fentanyl in the pills...he should have passed that information in to Leandro.

IMO, the ONLY way to know for sure you're getting real opiates is if you buy straight from a person's prescription.

So if the dealer wasn't doing that, it should have been made known to Leandro that he wasn't 100% certain it was a legit opiate, and that there is some chance it contains Fentanyl.

If the dealer knew and purposely said nothing, I would say Leandro's dealer was accountable in his death, to some extent.

If the dealer had no idea, I would feel he is not as responsible, HOWEVER - I would also argue that dealers are responsible for sourcing out actual drugs that are what they say - and not laced with other drugs that can literally kill them on the spot, in a way not unexpected.

Sure, you can die from Vicodin [I think Vicodine contains 10mg Hydrocodone + 300mg Acetaminophen - which is a actually more organ toxic than the actual opiates/opioids alone, funnily enough] - but you'd have to take a LOT.

You would actually be around the toxic level of Tylenol [Acetaminophen] from the Vicodin by the time you reach the overdose level of Hydrocodone.

Meanwhile, didn't it only take three fentanyl-laced Vicodin pills to kill Prince? Something like that.

I'm rambling, but my main points are:

[1] Dealers have some ethical responsibility to source out drugs that won't make people drop dead, unless used in a way that the normal drug would make them drop dead. No one expects to die taking three Vicodone pills [they don't have these in Canada], so producing fakes that DO kill people taking three is immoral UNLESS that information is passed on to the consumer.

[2] I think it's worse if the dealer knew the pills were laced and didn't pass that information to Leandro, as opposed to not knowing and not saying...HOWEVER...I still feel dealers should put some effort into ensuring they aren't selling toxic poison.

And another point: [3] Gym Rat [and I believe B. Hank said this too] is correct that almost EVERY opiate - every drug, period, even street marijuana sold after hours - contains / may contain Fentanyl. So as time goes on, the user simply has to understand and accept this.

Heck - AN ENTIRE MOVIE WAS MADE ABOUT THIS IN 2019!

Sorry for rambling - toxic drugs are a HUGE problem in my city. As is Fentanyl - Fentanyl killed my friend's half-brother in 2021, and a friend I had a falling-out with over the fake pandemic, who died last year. And many, many others here.

[Matt]

So you think if he knew the illegal pills were laced with fentanyl the dealer has a responsibility in the death BUT if he didn’t know the illegal pills he was selling were tainted he’s also a victim?
What if the kid just OD on the regular drug? Who’s at fault then?

maybe this problem would be eliminated if drug dealers listed the ingredients like we have with supplements?

Good questions, Dave. I'll give my opinions on them below, individually - just my opinions:

So you think if he knew the illegal pills were laced with fentanyl the dealer has a responsibility in the death

Yes.

If the dealer sold Leandro De Niro Rodroguez 10 legit Vicodin pills, produced by a pharmaceutical corporation - maybe enough to kill someone with no opiate tolerance, Leandro would have known that 10 Vicodin pills wouldn't kill him, if he had a tolerance to them.

If the dealer sold Leandro 10 Vicodin pills with Fentanyl, which would only require three to kill Leandro, AND the dealer was aware that they contained Fentanyl, IMO, he had a responsibility to pass that information on. Then Leandro could have taken precautions - such as only taken the pills in the presence of a friend with a Narcan/naloxone kit.

BUT if he didn’t know the illegal pills he was selling were tainted he’s also a victim?

I can answer that according to the law, and in my opinion:

[1] As ProudVirgin69 said, the dealer can be held responsible under our legal system. Being a high profile case, they will likely track down the dealer using Leandro's cellphone. Even if text messages show that the dealer explicitly told Leandro that these pills are fake / contain Fentanyl, he will probably still be held accountable and go to jail. But I think it will help his case if he warned Leandro of the possibility.

[2] In MY OPINION, the dealer is responsible for selling what he is purporting to be selling. That being said, I find it slightly more forgivable if the dealer himself was sold fake pills as real ones, say from a trusted source that he had no reason to question. I think it IS the dealer's responsibility to either source out real drugs, or at least pass on the information that the drugs can be ineffective...or even toxic. I would probably argue that dealers should close up shop if they can't find drugs to sell that aren't literally deadly. But it's just so common these days, that that they not be possible. But again, to answer your question, IMO: a dealer who was not aware or informed about the Fentanyl in the pills is not as responsible as one who knew but did not say.

But keep in mind the average dealer is himself some drug abusing loser, so we can't really expect a lot of intelligence or safe raw ingredients sourcing from these people.

What if the kid just OD on the regular drug? Who’s at fault then?

If someone buys a drug that they know will kill them if they use enough of it / or use it in a certain way [intravenously, or combined with other drugs], that's not the dealer's fault.

If I choose to do a Dallas McCarver gear death cycle, and my PED dealer gives me all high-quality gear, even with Pharma grade gear as often as possible...is that his fault I died?

But if he gave me Sustanon that had some non-standard ingredient in it that was not disclosed to me, and I drop dead after one properly injected shot of a correct amount...wouldn't he be somewhat responsible? But especially so if he KNEW that I could die, but didn't inform me of that possibility?

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Now - THAT BEING SAID...we are dealing with ILLEGAL DRUGS HERE. So even though I do think moral drug dealers have a responsibility to sell what they purport to sell, at the end of the day, ANYONE buying drugs is naive to fully trust their dealer. Especially in the current climate of Chinese Fentanyl being sold to Mexican drug cartels and spreading ALL OVER North America.

At the end of the day, it is the individual user's responsibility to acquire a drug testing kit if they want to be absolutely certain that their drugs are clean.

I'm merely saying that ethical dealers should not be selling poisonous, toxic drugs.

maybe this problem would be eliminated if drug dealers listed the ingredients like we have with supplements?

 

Dealers and users alike should invest in drug testing kits.

Alternatively: raise awareness that Fentanyl is now being found in EVERYTHING. The more people who know, [hopefully] the more these deaths can be prevented.

Fentanyl is almost ubiquitous now. This information needs to be spread, among those who use street drugs.

[Matt]

From my city:

Of all cocaine samples tested onsite, just 11 per cent contained only cocaine, 33 per cent contained cocaine and phenacetin, a pharmaceutical compound, and a whopping 55 per cent did not contain cocaine at all.

So...55% of cocaine in my city contains 0% contain? 

WTF is going on? So what exactly are users actually using? 

https://www.tbnewswatch.com/local-news/drug-warning-issued-6609294

[Matt]

Another one. Literally hot off the press - from four hours ago:

THUNDER BAY — An alert has been issued to the community about contaminated drugs after several overdoses occurred at a local overdose prevention service.

According to a social media post by NorWest Community Health Centres, there were three cases on Monday at its Path525 safe injection site.

All three people were okay after receiving help from centre staff.

https://www.tbnewswatch.com/local-news/drug-overdose-warning-issued-7261647

[ThisisOverload]

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"Let me tell you something Joe Rogan. Years ago on the East Coast I knew this guy, Brian Higgins, Bram Harkins, something like that. Greatest pill tester you ever saw Joe Rogan. He'd sit there for hours just testing things, snorting them, shooting them. Boy, he'd sit there till his ass bled, the guy just couldn't be faded Joe. This fucking guy was a junkie's junkie, get this, I think he married a drug court attorney."

10/10

[Matt]

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"Let me tell you something Joe Rogan. Years ago on the East Coast I knew this guy, Brian Higgins, Bram Harkins, something like that. Greatest pill tester you ever saw Joe Rogan. He'd sit there for hours just testing things, snorting them, shooting them. Boy, he'd sit there till his ass bled, the guy just couldn't be faded Joe. This fucking guy was a junkie's junkie, get this, I think he married a drug court attorney."

Given that Joey Diaz is 60 years old and pretty hefty in size...I'm sort of surprised he is still alive.

He has outlined quite an extensive drug history.

Has he put all this debauchery behind him?

I know he did say that he quit Xanax.

[Dave D]

Good questions, Dave. I'll give my opinions on them below, individually - just my opinions:

Yes.

If the dealer sold Leandro De Niro Rodroguez 10 legit Vicodin pills, produced by a pharmaceutical corporation - maybe enough to kill someone with no opiate tolerance, Leandro would have known that 10 Vicodin pills wouldn't kill him, if he had a tolerance to them.

If the dealer sold Leandro 10 Vicodin pills with Fentanyl, which would only require three to kill Leandro, AND the dealer was aware that they contained Fentanyl, IMO, he had a responsibility to pass that information on. Then Leandro could have taken precautions - such as only taken the pills in the presence of a friend with a Narcan/naloxone kit.


I can answer that according to the law, and in my opinion:

[1] As ProudVirgin69 said, the dealer can be held responsible under our legal system. Being a high profile case, they will likely track down the dealer using Leandro's cellphone. Even if text messages show that the dealer explicitly told Leandro that these pills are fake / contain Fentanyl, he will probably still be held accountable and go to jail. But I think it will help his case if he warned Leandro of the possibility.

[2] In MY OPINION, the dealer is responsible for selling what he is purporting to be selling. That being said, I find it slightly more forgivable if the dealer himself was sold fake pills as real ones, say from a trusted source that he had no reason to question. I think it IS the dealer's responsibility to either source out real drugs, or at least pass on the information that the drugs can be ineffective...or even toxic. I would probably argue that dealers should close up shop if they can't find drugs to sell that aren't literally deadly. But it's just so common these days, that that they not be possible. But again, to answer your question, IMO: a dealer who was not aware or informed about the Fentanyl in the pills is not as responsible as one who knew but did not say.

But keep in mind the average dealer is himself some drug abusing loser, so we can't really expect a lot of intelligence or safe raw ingredients sourcing from these people.

If someone buys a drug that they know will kill them if they use enough of it / or use it in a certain way [intravenously, or combined with other drugs], that's not the dealer's fault.

If I choose to do a Dallas McCarver gear death cycle, and my PED dealer gives me all high-quality gear, even with Pharma grade gear as often as possible...is that his fault I died?

But if he gave me Sustanon that had some non-standard ingredient in it that was not disclosed to me, and I drop dead after one properly injected shot of a correct amount...wouldn't he be somewhat responsible? But especially so if he KNEW that I could die, but didn't inform me of that possibility?

?

Now - THAT BEING SAID...we are dealing with ILLEGAL DRUGS HERE. So even though I do think moral drug dealers have a responsibility to sell what they purport to sell, at the end of the day, ANYONE buying drugs is naive to fully trust their dealer. Especially in the current climate of Chinese Fentanyl being sold to Mexican drug cartels and spreading ALL OVER North America.

At the end of the day, it is the individual user's responsibility to acquire a drug testing kit if they want to be absolutely certain that their drugs are clean.

I'm merely saying that ethical dealers should not be selling poisonous, toxic drugs.


 

Dealers and users alike should invest in drug testing kits.

Alternatively: raise awareness that Fentanyl is now being found in EVERYTHING. The more people who know, [hopefully] the more these deaths can be prevented.

Fentanyl is almost ubiquitous now. This information needs to be spread, among those who use street drugs.

Matt I know you put a lot of thought into this. I hope you always have ethical illegal drug dealers with a  moral compass. They people I know who were involved with drug sales did not care what happened to the people who bought from them; they viewed them as junkies.

Here’s the thing though, drug dealers are prosecuted if they sell drugs that end up killing people.

[Matt]

Matt I know you put a lot of thought into this. I hope you always have ethical illegal drug dealers with a  moral compass. They people I know who were involved with drug sales did not care what happened to the people who bought from them; they viewed them as junkies.

Here’s the thing though, drug dealers are prosecuted if they sell drugs that end up killing people.

I get that.

A lot of the dealers are junkies themselves, as far as I can tell. Maybe less so for the higher volume dealers, higher up the chain.

Why dealers wishing to make money would deceive or even kill their clientele...I don't know. I think it makes more sense for dealers to sell drugs that contain what they are supposed to, and don't kill people in an unexpected way. But I also don't think it's reasonable for users to expect that. This IS the black market, after all.

In the case of Prince, I think he died from Fentanyl-laced Vicodin pills [correct me if I'm wrong], but they couldn't find the dealer because Prince didn't own a cellphone.

Prince's doctor got fined for writing a prescription of Percocet [I think] to Prince's friend, because Prince didn't want it on his medical record.

But Prince would have qualified for a Percocet Rx, so his doctor didn't get in too much trouble [unlike Michael Jackson's doctor]. All he did was wrote the Rx to a friend of Prince, with all three parties consenting.

Even though a lot of people die from contaminated [Fentanyl-containing] drugs, there are not a lot of prosecutions over these deaths.

But given that this particular case involves the death of Robert De Niro's grandson, and especially given how young he was, this case may end up being prosecuted.

I find they selectively prosecute some of the higher profile cases.

[Dave D]

I get that.

A lot of the dealers are junkies themselves, as far as I can tell. Maybe less so for the higher volume dealers, higher up the chain.

Why dealers wishing to make money would deceive or even kill their clientele...I don't know. I think it makes more sense for dealers to sell drugs that contain what they are supposed to, and don't kill people in an unexpected way. But I also don't think it's reasonable for users to expect that. This IS the black market, after all.

In the case of Prince, I think he died from Fentanyl-laced Vicodin pills [correct me if I'm wrong], but they couldn't find the dealer because Prince didn't own a cellphone.

Prince's doctor got fined for writing a prescription of Percocet [I think] to Prince's friend, because Prince didn't want it on his medical record.

But Prince would have qualified for a Percocet Rx, so his doctor didn't get in too much trouble [unlike Michael Jackson's doctor]. All he did was wrote the Rx to a friend of Prince, with all three parties consenting.

Even though a lot of people die from contaminated [Fentanyl-containing] drugs, there are not a lot of prosecutions over these deaths.

But given that this particular case involves the death of Robert De Niro's grandson, and especially given how young he was, this case may end up being prosecuted.

I find they selectively prosecute some of the higher profile cases.

Matt people who sell illegal ”products” be drugs, weapons, or an extra set of speakers from a job they just finished, do not care about you or any “customer”.  They do not have your best interests in mind.

These people care less about you than a corporation does. Even though they may know your name they aren’t running a family business.

They want your money. And if you’re dead and can’t buy they will sell their wares to someone else.

That said I hope you’re interacting with good people.

The sooner you can grasp that concept the better off you’ll be.

[Sandrock]

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"Let me tell you something Joe Rogan. Years ago on the East Coast I knew this guy, Brian Higgins, Bram Harkins, something like that. Greatest pill tester you ever saw Joe Rogan. He'd sit there for hours just testing things, snorting them, shooting them. Boy, he'd sit there till his ass bled, the guy just couldn't be faded Joe. This fucking guy was a junkie's junkie, get this, I think he married a drug court attorney."

A true goddamn masterpiece.

[GymnJuice]

Matt I don't think there are "ethical" drug dealers. They might have some sense of morals in other aspects of their lives, but I doubt they'd give a second thought to violating their own morals to sell more drugs or cut costs.

[Matt]

Matt I don't think there are "ethical" drug dealers. They might have some sense of morals in other aspects of their lives, but I doubt they'd give a second thought to violating their own morals to sell more drugs or cut costs.

You don't think any ethical drug dealers exist anywhere? As in, zero?

[Matt]

Matt people who sell illegal ”products” be drugs, weapons, or an extra set of speakers from a job they just finished, do not care about you or any “customer”.  They do not have your best interests in mind.

These people care less about you than a corporation does. Even though they may know your name they aren’t running a family business.

They want your money. And if you’re dead and can’t buy they will sell their wares to someone else.

That said I hope you’re interacting with good people.

The sooner you can grasp that concept the better off you’ll be.

Correct.
They don't care about people.

But they so care about money...right?
Can they make money by killing their clientele?

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[GymnJuice]

You don't think any ethical drug dealers exist anywhere? As in, zero?

I think 0.45% of drug dealers are ethical.

[Dave D]

You don't think any ethical drug dealers exist anywhere? As in, zero?

Correct.
They don't care about people.

But they so care about money...right?
Can they make money by killing their clientele?

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Do you think your steroid dealer is the same type of person as a crack dealer?

We should ask big tobacco how they feel about taking care of their customers.

Do you think the average drug dealer has a business plan for development and a marketing strategy? What do of benefits would they offer to their employees?

[The Scott]

Hopefully De Niro will drop dead next. 

[Andy Griffin]

Hopefully De Niro will drop dead next.

I don't actively wish his death, but when it happens I won't be sad.

[Dave D]

Hopefully De Niro will drop dead next.

He’s probably fine if he’s dealing with Canadian based drug dealer.

[Gym Rat]

I don't actively wish his death, but when it happens I won't be sad.

I do, would love to see him seize up on live TV as he's crying his normal TDS rants, would be hilarious...

[Andy Griffin]

I do, would love to see him seize up on live TV as he's crying his normal TDS rants, would be hilarious...

You're not wrong of course. I need to sack up.

[illuminati]

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"Let me tell you something Joe Rogan. Years ago on the East Coast I knew this guy, Brian Higgins, Bram Harkins, something like that. Greatest pill tester you ever saw Joe Rogan. He'd sit there for hours just testing things, snorting them, shooting them. Boy, he'd sit there till his ass bled, the guy just couldn't be faded Joe. This fucking guy was a junkie's junkie, get this, I think he married a drug court attorney."

Brilliant 10/10

 

[The Scott]

I don't actively wish his death, but when it happens I won't be sad.

I know enough about him and his filthy ways to say without hesitation I hope he dies and dies soon.  His heart and soul are anathema to all that is good and American. 

He is long since given over to a reprobate mindset.  I know exactly where he will wind up when the death rattle sounds over his already rotting corpse.