Never come off. Never take time off after…

[sync pulse]

Guy I knew from high school named "Stevie" was rumored to be "On the Gas" while he was in high school.  He looked it...Never grew to a similar height as his brother...Was indeed strong...And a complete asshole...All the signs.

I googled him the other day and found his obituary...It didn't say what he died of, but asked for contributions to the Kidney Foundation in lieu of flowers.

[IroNat]

My urologist specifically said that the "no long term studies" thing is complete bullshit.

You believe a 40 year old man who's on the gas?

 

[IroNat]

Guy I knew from high school named "Stevie" was rumored to be "On the Gas" while he was in high school.  He looked it...Never grew to a similar height as his brother...Was indeed strong...And a complete asshole...All the signs.

I googled him the other day and found his obituary...It didn't say what he died of, but asked for contributions to the Kidney Foundation in lieu of flowers.

Steve Michalik?

[deadz]

There's abuse and use. Testosterone is not toxic when used moderately.

[IroNat]

There's abuse and use. Testosterone is not toxic when used moderately.

The white male is now a toxic creature.

[Rusty Trombone]

If your running test it won’t happen. Never did for me. Even when I ran deca without test it didn’t happen. People always talk about this but never happened to me or anyone I know yet it’s always mentioned.

Cool,NPP it will be then. Thanks Rob.

don’t do it
I took tren for 3 weeks like a decade back, by the 3rd week I cheated on my gf with 9 different women, gotten one pregnant even. Thank god for abobo’s

That actually sounds great.

[Rusty Trombone]

The usual reaction to tren is, "wow this stuff works!" It's partly because you usually can really feel it, it stimulates your nervous system for good and bad, you get stronger due to this, sleep is disturbed, mood gets weird, can be aggressive and euphoric in the gym but anxious and moody otherwise, sex drive is usually dramatically boosted immediately though can sometimes go the other way, especially over time or with high doses. Usually you see some quick changes in the physique like there's obviously something in yourrxsystem, there's little doubt. New veins, more hardness, whatever. But at the same time it doesn't necessarily put on a ton of size and scale weight. In fact many feel it's not the most effective "off season" compound because the scale might not move up a lot or not at all, it's like you can't eat enough as it seemingly revs up your metabolism a lot, plus may reduce your appetite. If you'd do some body analysis tests you'd most likely see it's effective for muscle but some want to see that scale move up, even if it's a lot of water and even fat, as long as you fill out your clothes. I think it's probably worthwhile for most juicers to at least try tren to see what it's about, if the sides are too much and the experience isn't that positive you just drop it. Simple.

The few studies on steroids like some 600mg/week testosterone studies show it puts on maybe 10lbs of muscle over several months. It's not necessarily that much. I don't know you but I'd guess you probably gained about that much too. It's just that it mostly looks way better on some due to genes - nicer frame, longer muscle bellies with more muscle fiber to begin with, so it appears more dramatic even if they also "only" gained that 10lbs. What I'm trying to say is that in my opinion this good and bad responder and hyperresponder isn't necessarily quite what people think. AAS basically work on anyone. I have trouble explaning exactly what I mean and all the factors involved without rambling on and on.

Dan Duchaine used to say "if Deca and Dbol doesn't work for you then nothing will" so it's not just tren that will show you what steroids can do for you. Duchaine also said an ideal first cycle should be at least 600mg but preferably 1000mg of testosterone a week, "nothing else or less will do." He thought a first cycle seems to be more effective that all subsequent cycles so do a substantial amount and don't mess around with less effective cycles and capitalize on the first exposure magic. You already did that basically. I usually tell a beginner, if they happen to ask me, to include a little Dianabol in a first cycle because it's usually a wonderful feel-good experience with quick size and strength gains. Most recommend test only at first but I've seen it be quite underwhelming for some even if testosterone is a comparatively strong steroid.

Steroids work and work well but they don't continually give more and more gains, the gains pretty quickly peter out and then you can juice for decades without causing many additional gains, you are just maintaining. The so called hyperresponders like top bodybuilders are exactly the same, many will say all their gains in the past several years or decades were due to  GH and insulin, they were maxed out on the steroids a long time ago. I know I, unfortunately, didn't grow that much larger after my first exposure gains even with rivers of oils and mountains of pills lol (cry).

Thank you very much for the whole explanation.

My gains did show on the scale and the tape measure somewhat,but not visually really.

Excellent post .

[Rusty Trombone]

tren is the best fat burner on the planet hands down , to bad it leaves you with permanent mental issues....

I can def attest to leaving you with mental issues haha.

Permanent?
 Like what?

Having occasionaly used cocaine,heroin,weed,ecstasy,acid back in the day...I'll be damned if I can imagine some Tren leaving permanent issues if those things didn't.

[GymnJuice]

August 29, 2020

Is testosterone therapy safe? Take a breath before you take the plunge.

https://www.health.harvard.edu/mens-health/is-testosterone-therapy-safe-take-a-breath-before-you-take-the-plunge

https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/circulationaha.116.026945

Some flaws with the study but might it be of interest anyway. I don't see a huge difference in EF but looks like more coronary plaque in users. I'm not sure if that would be the case if they'd treated their LDL.

[robcguns]

Permanent?
 Like what?

Having occasionaly used cocaine,heroin,weed,ecstasy,acid back in the day...I'll be damned if I can imagine some Tren leaving permanent issues if those things didn't.

I had no anxiety ever and then I ran tren at 75mgs 3 times a week for 12 weeks then down to 75mgs twice a week for another 4 weeks and I had crazy anxiety when on it and it really never left me until just recently after starting the trt. Also just something was off in my head since then. Just really strong and if I could go back would not have taken it. While on yes it was great muscle wise but I felt like ass.  It does stuff mentally.

[AbrahamG]

Yeah NPP sounds like a smoother better ride. I'm just a bit cautious about the whole deca dick anecdote.

Deca dick is real but also varies from person to person.  I'll never use it again.  If you go that route, I'd use some proviron with it and have cialis on hand.  Or run daily low dose cialis. 

[Taffin]

Shrink your balls to the size of peanuts,

Shut down your test production permanently so you must take TRT forever.

Totally worth it.

[AbrahamG]

don’t do it
I took tren for 3 weeks like a decade back, by the 3rd week I cheated on my gf with 9 different women, gotten one pregnant even. Thank god for abobo’s

Word!

[robcguns]

Deca dick is real but also varies from person to person.  I'll never use it again.  If you go that route, I'd use some proviron with it and have cialis on hand.  Or run daily low dose cialis.

I remember doing a gram of deca a week and I was hard as a rock everyday. I hear these stories but never met anyone who had an issue. My buddy runs 3-500 mgs of deca a week and 200mgs of test and hes never had an issue and he’s been doing this for 10 years at least. But I guess it would be different for everyone.

[AbrahamG]

I remember doing a gram of deca a week and I was hard as a rock everyday. I hear these stories but never met anyone who had an issue. My buddy runs 3-500 mgs of deca a week and 200mgs of test and hes never had an issue and he’s been doing this for 10 years at least. But I guess it would be different for everyone.

I did fine one cycle on 200/week.  The next year I did 450/week and fuck if I wasn't a wet noodle.  Cialis and time brought me back.  Tren or Trest never did to me what deca did and those too are in the 19-nor family. 

[Taffin]

That's me in the Bushes...

That's me in the Spot Light

Losing my Religion / Seed

they call it robs bush
oooooh robs bush

they call it robs bush fisting limit

Consider this….

Consider this…..

The bush of the century

Consider this…

Ssshhhhh!  Please can you guys stop fucken singing?  It's putting me off my stroke

[TheShape.]

Ssshhhhh!  Please can you guys stop fucken singing?  It's putting me off my stroke

SPAGHET!!!

[Rusty Trombone]

Stop it.

Testicles do not shrivel at all for me,they just hike up a little so they don't hang as usuals.

I have quit cold turkey from 1000mg,felt no difference and was horny with rock hard boners,even with probably 0 test in my system.

  iStop going by broscience. Or dumb studies.

[beakdoctor]

Damn. You’re approaching 50? You’ve got the physique of a 30 year old athlete (no homoz)

Thank you for that Rambone. But im not approaching 50, im in my 50's will be 51 in a few months.

[Humble Narcissist]

Deca dick is real but also varies from person to person.  I'll never use it again.  If you go that route, I'd use some proviron with it and have cialis on hand.  Or run daily low dose cialis.

It seems taking test requires just taking more and more drugs to be normal.

[Gym Rat]

https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/circulationaha.116.026945

Some flaws with the study but might it be of interest anyway. I don't see a huge difference in EF but looks like more coronary plaque in users. I'm not sure if that would be the case if they'd treated their LDL.

IMO all who go on TRT, should take a very low-dose "red yeast rice" from another country.
The USA made it illegal (the real stuff) and what we have is supposed to have zero "Monacolin K" in it. (Natural Lovastatin).
Asians have been using it for a million years, extremely healthy. Big Pharma took it, made it their own (synthetic) and hand it out like candy.

I buy mine from "Zenement" (some other country) and take 8 mg a day. Lipids are perfect...

[Taffin]

SPAGHET!!!

Ah - I see you are a man of good taste then

[Flexacon]

Testicles do not shrivel at all for me,they just hike up a little so they don't hang as usuals.

I have quit cold turkey from 1000mg,felt no difference and was horny with rock hard boners,even with probably 0 test in my system.

  iStop going by broscience. Or dumb studies.

Please submit evidence to Prime for verification

[Grape Ape]

You believe a 40 year old man who's on the gas?

 

Totally.

He's only using 40mg a week, 20mg 2x.

But, I still passed on it.

[Rusty Trombone]

From reading internet forums,everyone has nonstop insomnia on Tren?

Why would so many people use the horrid drug then?

How would you function at all?