Guys, Ronnie is amazing. That is quite evident. I don't believe that IceCold or Sucky or ND is debating that fact. They feel that Dorian deserves his due. Admit it, at one time Dorian looked amazing. Whether you feel he looked as good as Ronnie is one thing and not really relevent. Appreciate what positive attributes he brought to our sport. I agree, Ronnie is better. However, those who feel differently are not wrong. Remember, BB is not black and white. It is not soccer or football. It is subtle and one judge can easily see something differently than another. However, I love the sport, as different physique types can win. Thus, learn to get along and appreciate both bodybuilders for what they have achieved. Hell, me and Sucky made peace. I can even say I like and respect the guy. I like Pumpster, Hulkster, Pobrecito, ND, Praetor and IceCold, too. Remember, to the average person we are kinda weird going on and on about muscular men in posing trunks. We are a very small community and should at least stick together. Stop bashing one another and realize that in the end we are all fans of an eclectic and unique sport. We can agree to disagree. That is cool. Just stop the hating. Remember, both of these guys are absolutely, undeniably great!