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Re: Where does your moral compass come from?
« Reply #25 on: August 09, 2025, 02:27:49 PM »
So if our morals stem from evolution then single celled animals must have had a moral compass or did it just spring from nowhere along the way?

After all something cant come from nothing...

Morality to a single celled animal is survival, which means food, resources and reproduction.  That is carried all through life forms to higher level creatures.  At some point after conscious thought occurs there can be ideas that allow a shift away from that to some extent, like with Malsov's hierarchy of needs.

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Re: Where does your moral compass come from?
« Reply #26 on: August 09, 2025, 02:30:18 PM »
Morality to a single celled animal is survival, which means food, resources and reproduction.  That is carried all through life forms to higher level creatures. At some point after conscious thought occursthere can be ideas that allow a shift away from that to some extent, like with Malsov's hierarchy of needs.
at what point in evolution did that occur and more importantly how did it occur if it wasnt there before?

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Re: Where does your moral compass come from?
« Reply #27 on: August 09, 2025, 02:34:00 PM »
I have never been really religous and had a belief in a God as I was brought up Catholic and it didnt make sense to me from a scientic point (walking on water and feeding 5000 with a couple loaves and fish, also the virgin birth).

Lately I have beeen toying with the concept of a higher power or creator

This struck a cord for some reason

I wish this could have gone on longer but the asshole host probably wanted to know the girls bodycount



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Re: Where does your moral compass come from?
« Reply #28 on: August 09, 2025, 02:36:20 PM »
So if our morals stem from evolution then single celled animals must have had a moral compass or did it just spring from nowhere along the way?

After all something cant come from nothing...
morality is a group evolutionary trait. Only lifeforms coexisting in groups evolved to having this group behavioral aspect that we like to call morality. When it started who knows, no one can pin point exactly when or what life form was first..

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Re: Where does your moral compass come from?
« Reply #29 on: August 09, 2025, 02:39:25 PM »
morality is a group evolutionary trait. Only lifeforms coexisting in groups evolved to having this group behavioral aspect that we like to call morality. When it started who knows, no one can pin point exactly when or what life form was first..

so now we are back to it being a learned behaviour as opposed to just "knowing" whats right.

You agreed murder was morally wrong from your standpoint, but would your morals change if as a society it decided that it wasnt wrong?

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Re: Where does your moral compass come from?
« Reply #30 on: August 09, 2025, 02:44:27 PM »
so now we are back to it being a learned behaviour as opposed to just "knowing" whats right.

You agreed murder was morally wrong from your standpoint, but would your morals change if as a society it decided that it wasnt wrong?

You have to be able differentiate inherent(genetically hardwired) from learned. Two separate things

I assume my inherent("learnt" through evolution in my DNA) would tell me it's wrong. Even though majority rule said something else.

Peer pressure and fear can override things like morality. (see Covid)

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Re: Where does your moral compass come from?
« Reply #31 on: August 09, 2025, 02:46:37 PM »
You have to be able differentiate inherent(genetically hardwired) from learned. Two separate things
I thought that was what we were trying to do

So, if they are in any way inherant then where do they come from?

did you watch the video?

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Re: Where does your moral compass come from?
« Reply #32 on: August 09, 2025, 02:49:26 PM »
I thought that was what we were trying to do

So, if they are in any way inherant then where do they come from?

did you watch the video?
we're talking in circles now. Inherent are hardwired traits through the process of evolution.

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Re: Where does your moral compass come from?
« Reply #33 on: August 09, 2025, 02:51:21 PM »
I don't care to watch that video as I'm not religious I'm atheist I do not believe in some form of higher consciousness

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Re: Where does your moral compass come from?
« Reply #34 on: August 09, 2025, 02:54:39 PM »
I don't care to watch that video as I'm not religious I'm atheist I do not believe in some form of higher consciousness
amazing, are you a democrat?

Jeez, think of the "superior being" as a computor programmer rather than a god

He doesnt really mention a God, he just uses logic to try and establish something more than mens consciousness.

Think of it this way "you never learn anything from only talking and listening to people who agree with you"

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Re: Where does your moral compass come from?
« Reply #35 on: August 09, 2025, 03:08:09 PM »
Definitely not from some unwed, cum dumpster of a mother back in Columbus Ohio….

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Re: Where does your moral compass come from?
« Reply #36 on: August 09, 2025, 03:11:57 PM »
I don't care to watch that video as I'm not religious I'm atheist I do not believe in some form of higher consciousness
yet you believe to some degree that morals are inherant and not learned..wouldnt that lean towards something higher?

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Re: Where does your moral compass come from?
« Reply #37 on: August 09, 2025, 03:14:51 PM »
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Re: Where does your moral compass come from?
« Reply #38 on: August 09, 2025, 03:16:08 PM »
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If you say that then its ultimatly a God

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Re: Where does your moral compass come from?
« Reply #39 on: August 09, 2025, 03:19:48 PM »
If you say that then its ultimatly a God

Not necessarily if you believe man created his God(s).

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Re: Where does your moral compass come from?
« Reply #40 on: August 09, 2025, 03:28:00 PM »
Not necessarily if you believe man created his God(s).

yes, man created his gods thats why there are so many of them..


But where did the idea of "God" come from?

I dont really want to argue the existance of a God , I just want to try and establish the origin of a persons moral compass

Where do your morals come from, yours specifically?

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Re: Where does your moral compass come from?
« Reply #41 on: August 09, 2025, 03:28:11 PM »
amazing, are you a democrat?

Jeez, think of the "superior being" as a computor programmer rather than a god

He doesnt really mention a God, he just uses logic to try and establish something more than mens consciousness.

Think of it this way "you never learn anything from only talking and listening to people who agree with you"
What is there to see. I don't believe in the metaphysical, never have never will.

Something else beyond our consciousness/perception means a belief. Means something that has no basis for proof. A blind faith. A childish thought process. Just bullshit



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Re: Where does your moral compass come from?
« Reply #42 on: August 09, 2025, 03:30:33 PM »
yes, man created his gods thats why there are so many of them..


But where did the idea of "God" come from?

I dont really want to argue the existance of a God , I just want to try and establish the origin of a persons moral compass

Where do your morals come from, yours specifically?

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Re: Where does your moral compass come from?
« Reply #43 on: August 09, 2025, 03:32:27 PM »
What is there to see. I don't believe in the metaphysical, never have never will.

Something else beyond our consciousness/perception means a belief. Means something that has no basis for proof. A blind faith. A childish thought process. Just bullshit



the laws of logic exist absent the mind of man, hows that work?

What about mathematics, we discovered it, we didnt create it did we?

A dog is a dog, it cant be a cat or anything else for that matter, its always a dog even if there are no people around to perceive it.
Absent the mind dogs are still dogs

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Re: Where does your moral compass come from?
« Reply #44 on: August 09, 2025, 03:34:49 PM »
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do you know what a circular argument is?  ;D

Is it morally wrong to murder someone, if so why?

Also if you agree murder is wrong then would you be OK if society deemed it acceptable?

If you read the thread you can learn from Maxx mistakes before he got a bit pissy.

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Re: Where does your moral compass come from?
« Reply #45 on: August 09, 2025, 03:37:30 PM »
Definitely not from some unwed, cum dumpster of a mother back in Columbus Ohio….

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Re: Where does your moral compass come from?
« Reply #46 on: August 09, 2025, 04:03:34 PM »
I have never been really religous and had a belief in a God as I was brought up Catholic and it didnt make sense to me from a scientic point (walking on water and feeding 5000 with a couple loaves and fish, also the virgin birth).

Lately I have beeen toying with the concept of a higher power or creator

This struck a cord for some reason

I wish this could have gone on longer but the asshole host probably wanted to know the girls bodycount


Haha that was great! I've seen a video before with Andrew Wilson where a bunch of women walked out of the show. He knows how to push their buttons!

It's more likely that there is a Creator than not. And even if the atheists are correct that there is no Creator, then that version is just as fantastical as the Creator version. The Solar System and everything in it literally formed out of a dust cloud in space with the basic elements in the Periodic Table. Mostly hydrogen, but some heavier elements like gold (Au) as well. That gold was forged in the immense gravity of super massive stars' explosions that expired when they reached the iron stage.

Right before iron (Fe) in a massive star’s life, the core is dominated by silicon (Si) burning — though “silicon” here really means a mix of elements around silicon in the periodic table.

Here’s the fusion sequence in a massive star, starting from hydrogen:
  • Hydrogen burning → helium (via the proton–proton chain or CNO cycle)
  • Helium burning → carbon and oxygen
  • Carbon burning → neon, sodium, magnesium
  • Neon burning → oxygen, magnesium
  • Oxygen burning → silicon, sulfur, phosphorus
  • Silicon burning → nickel (^56Ni), cobalt, and iron (^56Fe)
That last step is the key:
  • Silicon burning doesn’t directly fuse Si into Fe in one step — it produces nickel and cobalt isotopes via alpha capture reactions.
  • The most common product is ^56Ni, which is unstable.
  • After the supernova, ^56Ni decays → ^56Co → ^56Fe.
Timescales shrink dramatically toward the end:
  • Hydrogen burning: millions of years
  • Helium burning: hundreds of thousands of years
  • Carbon burning: centuries
  • Neon burning: about a year
  • Oxygen burning: months
  • Silicon burning: a few days (sometimes less)
So, before Fe is silicon (and a mix of S, P, and other intermediate-mass nuclei).
Once that phase is done, the star’s core is essentially iron/nickel — and that’s when gravity wins.

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Re: Where does your moral compass come from?
« Reply #47 on: August 09, 2025, 04:10:39 PM »
There is no god, hope this helps.

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Re: Where does your moral compass come from?
« Reply #48 on: August 09, 2025, 04:18:52 PM »
There is no god, hope this helps.
Why are you here… and why wouldn’t you be? There was a dust cloud in space a few billion years ago. Now you are sitting there typing on Getbig. Explain how the fuck that happened!

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Re: Where does your moral compass come from?
« Reply #49 on: August 09, 2025, 04:47:45 PM »
Why are you here… and why wouldn’t you be? There was a dust cloud in space a few billion years ago. Now you are sitting there typing on Getbig. Explain how the fuck that happened!

Ron created Getbig and there was light.