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Re: Where does your moral compass come from?
« Reply #100 on: August 10, 2025, 04:28:22 PM »
I read a phrase today in a book, someone loved someone else “like plants love light”  Seemed relevant to this discussion. Not just that they depend on for survival or need or want, but that they love the object they so naturally need.

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Re: Where does your moral compass come from?
« Reply #101 on: August 11, 2025, 12:02:36 AM »
That doesn't imply there is a god, you retard. There is no god and never was.

And the Eastern Orthodox deity you and the rest of the abominable Russkiy-mir believe in is so infantile as to be laughable. A god by peasants for peasants.
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And yet you believe the dust cloud arranged itself into DNA, consciousness, and the internet — by accident. That’s a creation myth without a Creator.

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Re: Where does your moral compass come from?
« Reply #102 on: August 11, 2025, 12:06:46 AM »
in the end what all creationists/god believers resort to...  god of the gaps fallacy...



that's why it's pointless to ever debate a creationist. Because the basis of their thought process(or lack of it) is simplistic and flawed fundamentally. Anything they don't understand and don't see a childlike clear path their answer will always be "then god did it, because you can't fully explain it"
And your “no-god of the gaps” is just as bad — you fill every gap with “it happened somehow, don’t ask too many questions.” Both require faith; you’ve just chosen yours.

You mock creation, yet you believe a nebula forged stars, planets, DNA, and consciousness. Sounds like creation — you just credit the nebula instead of a Creator.

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Re: Where does your moral compass come from?
« Reply #103 on: August 11, 2025, 12:11:56 AM »
and if an evolutionist cant explain it they just say "we came from monkeys"
We didn’t just come from monkeys — we all come from star stuff. Every atom in your body was forged in a star, from the nebula that formed our solar system. Before that, all matter came from whatever existed before the Big Bang — no one really knows what that was. Call it “God” or “cosmic origin,” either way, it’s mind-blowing and connects everything on Earth.

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Re: Where does your moral compass come from?
« Reply #104 on: August 11, 2025, 12:21:12 AM »
Our DNA is closer to a Salmon than a chimpanzee

we also share 90% with cats

did we come from cats as well?

You are blinkered and wont listen to any argument, we have already established that with your behaviour earlier in refusing to watch a 4 minute video

Imagine being so set in your ways that you refuse to listen to an alternative viewpoint than your own

You must have listened to someone else to hold the worldview you have now, why do you think you are right?
If the Solar System came from a nebula then everything on Earth came from whatever elements the nebula contained. The nebula that formed our solar system was mostly hydrogen and helium but also contained nearly all the elements needed for planets and life — created by earlier stars. It was a cosmic soup with everything from carbon to iron, even tiny traces of heavier elements.

This means we are related to snakes, insects, dinosaurs, lions, gorillas, cats, dogs, mice, bananas, oak trees, rocks, etc. You are related to your car and TV. All of this came from the same basic building blocks.

Both humans and insects belong to the Bilateria group, animals with bilateral symmetry. The common ancestor was probably something like a simple worm-like creature, predating the Cambrian Explosion (around 541 million years ago), when most major animal groups rapidly appeared.

It wasn’t an insect or a human — just a basic, early animal from which many diverse lineages eventually evolved.

All matter that makes up life today — including you and me — traces back to the atoms forged in ancient stars and nebulae.

So in a cosmic sense, yes, those stars and nebulae are our ultimate common ancestors — the original source of all the elements that built every living thing.

Before stars, before nebulae, before time itself — whatever existed before the Big Bang is the ultimate common ancestor of everything. Call it “God,” “cosmic origin,” or “the unknown,” but it’s the source of all that is.

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Re: Where does your moral compass come from?
« Reply #105 on: August 11, 2025, 12:28:27 AM »
evolution went awary or we had a visit from an extra terrestrial species that gave us "humanity"
How did that extraterrestrial species come to be? Do you see them as our "Creators"? The solar system was forged from a nebula, so that nebula, in a real sense, created the solar system. Atheists dismiss the idea of a Creator, but being forged is creation. There’s no escaping that fact.

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Re: Where does your moral compass come from?
« Reply #106 on: August 11, 2025, 12:39:09 AM »
Or we are trapped in a video game, a mere simulation. Some "scientists" claim to have worked out when the memory bank in this simulation will run out, then everything just stops :D

Regarding evolution, another clever columnist I've quite liked, Fred Reed, has written all these artcles arguing against evolution, as its currently explained. I know far too little about anything to have a real opinion on it, at all, but evolution just feels (LOL) fantastical. Maybe we did come from outer space?

https://www.unz.com/freed/darwin-unhinged-the-bugs-in-evolution/

^An example of Fred's musings on evolution. If someone here has studied evolution and cares to take a look, tell me if he's a total crank :D
He finds the arrogance and smugness of evolutionists very distasteful.
But what’s the difference? Whether we live in base reality or a simulation, it’s the same to us — unless we somehow hack the simulation and gain “God” powers like Neo in The Matrix.

I haven’t played the latest 3D games on today’s hardware, even though my computers could handle them easily. Older 3D games had to limit the number of objects drawn in the distance to save memory and processing power.

If we are in a simulation, what if the processing power and memory only serve your point of view? Cities like London and New York might exist, but they’re not fully simulated until you actually arrive. The simulation only needs to render what’s in your immediate perception. The only characters who need consistent, detailed memories are those you interact with directly throughout your life. For example, if you have a brother, the simulation must keep your memories synced. Maybe memory can be freed when one of you develops Alzheimer’s.

More memory might be required for someone like Arnold Schwarzenegger, or maybe not. Perhaps there’s no full simulation of him, just a shared character we all recognize from movies and public appearances. Lou Ferrigno might overlap somewhat with Arnold, but I only know them from Pumping Iron and videos I’ve seen. I saw Arnold and Lou from a distance and once stood next to Arnold, but that’s all my firsthand knowledge.

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Re: Where does your moral compass come from?
« Reply #107 on: August 11, 2025, 01:52:28 AM »
You dont know if your kids are ugly or not?

Amazing

Ask your wife if you cant work it out....

You dont know if your kids are ugly or not?

Amazing

Ask your wife if you cant work it out....

i dont have kids  you retard anxiety ridden incest loving drug addict  bitch of a son  ;D ;D

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Re: Where does your moral compass come from?
« Reply #108 on: August 11, 2025, 02:32:17 AM »
I think the curse of humans is that we have the capacity to contemplate the existance of a God/higher power but we are not blessed with the knowledge to ever establish it to be true or not.
That`s called having FAITH my friend.

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Re: Where does your moral compass come from?
« Reply #109 on: August 11, 2025, 02:42:08 AM »
thoughts?

My moral compass come from "The Thorn Birds"

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Re: Where does your moral compass come from?
« Reply #110 on: August 11, 2025, 04:45:12 PM »
IQ and personality constructs, disorders, etc dictate ‘morals’

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Re: Where does your moral compass come from?
« Reply #111 on: August 11, 2025, 04:47:19 PM »
And your “no-god of the gaps” is just as bad — you fill every gap with “it happened somehow, don’t ask too many questions.” Both require faith; you’ve just chosen yours.

You mock creation, yet you believe a nebula forged stars, planets, DNA, and consciousness. Sounds like creation — you just credit the nebula instead of a Creator.
does the Holy Spirit bless chimpanzees, hyenas, elephants, whales, etc with complex social structures?

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Re: Where does your moral compass come from?
« Reply #112 on: August 11, 2025, 06:16:32 PM »
My decision is always the correct decision…so it’s easy for me to understand and interpret my “moral compass” because I know it’s the correct way to proceed.
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Re: Where does your moral compass come from?
« Reply #113 on: August 11, 2025, 09:40:10 PM »
does the Holy Spirit bless chimpanzees, hyenas, elephants, whales, etc with complex social structures?
It’s funny — chimps may have a more complex social structure than some humans who live completely isolated from society.

I think it’s likely there’s a Creator or some being responsible for our Universe. Even if we’re living in a simulation, that still begs the question — who created the simulation? If there are multiple universes, the same question applies. Somehow, it was all forged… out of nothing. That’s a wild concept. The fact that anything exists at all — rather than absolute nothingness — boggles the mind. You’d think the odds would favor nothing ever existing: no space, no time, no matter, no physics, no chemistry. It’s incredible.

I don’t think this Creator is personal in the sense of caring for each being individually. There’s no intervention to stop rapes, murders, or genocides. It seems designed to be organic and random — letting the chips fall where they may.

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Re: Where does your moral compass come from?
« Reply #114 on: August 11, 2025, 09:42:40 PM »
My decision is always the correct decision…so it’s easy for me to understand and interpret my “moral compass” because I know it’s the correct way to proceed.
;D

Against:
This argument is circular and baseless — claiming “my decision is always correct” assumes infallibility without evidence, ignores the possibility of error, and shuts out accountability.

For:
One could defend it by saying that a well-honed moral compass, shaped by life experience and consistent principles, makes one’s decisions reliably correct in practice, even if others disagree.

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Re: Where does your moral compass come from?
« Reply #115 on: August 11, 2025, 09:44:35 PM »
My moral compass come from "The Thorn Birds"


Rachel Ward was a good looking woman! Good genes. That's her husband on the right. Lucky bastard!

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Re: Where does your moral compass come from?
« Reply #116 on: August 11, 2025, 10:28:40 PM »
My decision is always the correct decision…so it’s easy for me to understand and interpret my “moral compass” because I know it’s the correct way to proceed.

You're a good and decent dude so a tip of the hat to you  🎩

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Re: Where does your moral compass come from?
« Reply #117 on: August 12, 2025, 12:10:04 AM »

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Re: Where does your moral compass come from?
« Reply #118 on: August 12, 2025, 03:51:24 AM »
;D

Against:
This argument is circular and baseless — claiming “my decision is always correct” assumes infallibility without evidence, ignores the possibility of error, and shuts out accountability.

For:
One could defend it by saying that a well-honed moral compass, shaped by life experience and consistent principles, makes one’s decisions reliably correct in practice, even if others disagree.
You are NOT correct with your Against statement. I accept FULL accountability/responsibility for everything that has happened/will happen in my life. All my decisions/thinking are based on everything that has been caused by me. World owes me nothing and the cards are not stacked against me. No, it's not a cruel world. The world is not expected to hold my hand and help me. Perhaps I thought I made errors in the past. But looking back, they were not errors. Everything happened for a reason, and everything happened because of who I am. Whatever I think is a good idea to say or do, I know is not correct. This is because of who I am and how I think. Therefore, the opposite of what I think is a good idea is always the correct choice.
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Re: Where does your moral compass come from?
« Reply #119 on: August 12, 2025, 03:54:11 AM »
You are NOT correct with your Against statement. I accept FULL accountability/responsibility for everything that has happened/will happen in my life. All my decisions/thinking are based on everything that has been caused by me. World owes me nothing and the cards are not stacked against me. No, it's not a cruel world. The world is not expected to hold my hand and help me. Perhaps I thought I made errors in the past. But looking back, they were not errors. Everything happened for a reason, and everything happened because of who I am. Whatever I think is a good idea to say or do, I know is not correct. Because of who I am and how I think. Therefore, the opposite of what I think is a good idea is always the correct choice.

you sound like you are making excuses for things you did wrong

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Re: Where does your moral compass come from?
« Reply #120 on: August 12, 2025, 04:06:47 AM »
Joswift,
I thought you meant where does MY moral compass come from.

Thus:

Family (upbringing)
Religion
Personal experience

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Re: Where does your moral compass come from?
« Reply #121 on: August 12, 2025, 04:09:47 AM »
Joswift,
I thought you meant where does MY moral compass come from.

Thus:

Family (upbringing)
Religion
Personal experience

religion and God are not the same thing

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Re: Where does your moral compass come from?
« Reply #122 on: August 12, 2025, 04:17:26 AM »
religion and God are not the same thing

religion /rĭ-lĭj′ən/
noun

1) The belief in and reverence for a supernatural power or powers, regarded as creating and governing the universe.
"respect for religion."

2) A particular variety of such belief, especially when organized into a system of doctrine and practice.
"the world's many religions."

3) A set of beliefs, values, and practices based on the teachings of a spiritual leader

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Re: Where does your moral compass come from?
« Reply #123 on: August 12, 2025, 04:19:27 AM »
religion /rĭ-lĭj′ən/
noun

1) The belief in and reverence for a supernatural power or powers, regarded as creating and governing the universe.
"respect for religion."

2) A particular variety of such belief, especially when organized into a system of doctrine and practice.
"the world's many religions."

3) A set of beliefs, values, and practices based on the teachings of a spiritual leader


you can believe in a supreme being without following a religion

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Re: Where does your moral compass come from?
« Reply #124 on: August 12, 2025, 04:20:45 AM »
you can believe in a supreme being without following a religion

You can be a bodybuilding schmoe without ever lifting a weight.