RIP - Charlie Kirk Shot Dead at Utah University - 2025-09-10

[Coach is Back!]

what fact?

however you paint it UK total deaths by guns 38
US - 48,000 give or take

our gun laws mean less people die at the hands of guns than yours. ergo our laws work better.

thats the only stat that matters to me.

If they makes you feel better, go with it

[38 returns]

anyway charlies mrs has just said she forgives the shooter.

very christian of her.

surely that puts an end to it now.

[Krankenstein]

I get that. however I feel being a christian thou shalt not kill and then going out tooled up with a piece that has that aim is incompatible.

So how do you feel about a christian being in the military?

Show me one religion that have never killed in their name...I can't think of any

[Krankenstein]

neutered??


UK deaths by guns- 0.013 per 100,000
USA 4.31 PER 100,000

you confuse 'neutered' with 'far safer'

Plenty of of stats that make UK not look good.  Fear of crime, assault victims, drug offenses, etc.

Just because I own a gun doesn't put me in a category where I am looking forward to killing someone.  In some ways, I look at it as evening out the playing field.  I understand that you were put in a horrible position and now have adopted your view point based on that.  That does not, however, mean everyone else will be so quick to "pull the trigger" as you.  Again, never would I judge you.  I can't imagine ever having to make the decisions you felt you had to make.  I just don't agree with your outlook on guns.

[Krankenstein]

I would not feel safe in chicago for example not a chance

Plenty of cities have that stigma.  I generally hate downtown chicago because of people.  I hate people 

[Irongrip400]

what fact?

however you paint it UK total deaths by guns 38
US - 48,000 give or take

our gun laws mean less people die at the hands of guns than yours. ergo our laws work better.

thats the only stat that matters to me.

You’re 48,000 is way high and then when you take suicides out of it it’s much much lower.

[Never1AShow]

It's just silly trolling, he entirely ignores the murder point and mocks religion and forgiveness just for funnin

[Coach is Back!]

You’re 48,000 is way high and then when you take suicides out of it it’s much much lower.

Exactly. That 48000 includes

Police shootings
Suicide
ND’s (Negligent Discharge)
Murder/homicides

[Never1AShow]

Exactly. That 48000 includes

Police shootings
Suicide
ND’s (Negligent Discharge)
Murder/homicides

Even accepting the figure, there are 400,000,000 guns in the US.  That means .012% of guns involved in a fatality.

48,000/400,000,000x100= .012%

Imagine 100,000 guns, now find the 12 guns in that 100,000 that will result in a fatality.

[nobody in particular]

the reason NSW has less home invasions is the amount of africans. the crime there is more gang/turf/crime monopoly between various middle eastern factions. In Victoria withj more sudanese (esp, though somalians are a factor) the stats that were covered up for years are that an african 'youth' is - 140 times more likely to be involved in a home invasion or car jacking than all other demographics combined. Recently two kids (african) were brutally hacked to death by a group of 'youths' with machetes. Turns out it was a case of mistaken identity. They have been caught and charged. All African, andmost can't be named as only two were over 18. Worse still one of the accused was involved in a machete gang fight at a local shopping centre and thanks to our leftist government andjust ice system was free as a bird because any punishent would be racist.. Our state government response was to have 'machete disposal bins' - all near police stations at a cost of $12 million where all the offenders will just hand them in. Bins were built at a costing roughly 10 times what they were worth, and lo and behold the company that got the contract to build them was  a good mate of our previous state premier (equivalent of governor for US folks) Dan Andrews, possibly the most corrupt evil piece of garbage we've ever had. Now if regular law abiding folks want a machete for gardening we have to register them at the same cost and police background check levels as for a firearm. Whatever the fuck you do don't think that more draconian laws will fixz it they just disarm the honest decent people. If arseholes don't give a fuck about the laws and penalties for miurder, they aren't going to lose sleep over gun/weapons laws.

What needs to change is attitudes about the sanctity of life. And lefties need to pull their heads out of their clackers and realise that unconditionally claiming racist if a black person commits a crime nutures an attitude of ZERO ACCOUNTABILITY and it has to end. Equal treatment also means equally open to legit criticism not just 'fuck whitey

[38 returns]

Plenty of of stats that make UK not look good.  Fear of crime, assault victims, drug offenses, etc.

Just because I own a gun doesn't put me in a category where I am looking forward to killing someone.  In some ways, I look at it as evening out the playing field.  I understand that you were put in a horrible position and now have adopted your view point based on that.  That does not, however, mean everyone else will be so quick to "pull the trigger" as you.  Again, never would I judge you.  I can't imagine ever having to make the decisions you felt you had to make.  I just don't agree with your outlook on guns.

thanks for an even handed measured response Krank its appreciated and your points as ever are valid. I appreciate it.

[38 returns]

It's just silly trolling, he entirely ignores the murder point and mocks religion and forgiveness just for funnin

its not though I am just highlighting what I view as the incompatability of religion and a moral code an dfirearm ownership. I may use piss take examples but they are still relevant, surely.

[joswift]

its not though I am just highlighting what I view as the incompatability of religion and a moral code an dfirearm ownership. I may use piss take examples but they are still relevant, surely.

morals are based on personal preferences unless you ascribe them to God

[38 returns]

I agree but christians ascribe morality to being a 'god fearing christian' and the word comes first.

[joswift]

I agree but christians ascribe morality to being a 'god fearing christian' and the word comes first.

yes, they base their moral compass on what God says.

Its an easy excuse to justify poor choices

Without the "because God says" excuse its pretty difficult to justify any moral arguments a person may have without saying "its wrong because it is"

[nobody in particular]

yes, they base their moral compass on what God says.

Its an easy excuse to justify poor choices

Without the "because God says" excuse its pretty difficult to justify any moral arguments a person may have without saying "its wrong because it is"

The Euthyphro Dilemma

[Super Nattie]

anyway charlies mrs has just said she forgives the shooter.

very christian of her.

surely that puts an end to it now.

No it does not. That is a liberal misunderstanding of Christianity.

The reason she forgave him is to unburden herself of the poison
Holding resentment is like drinking poison and hoping the other person dies.

Her forgiving the shooter frees her, it does not mean that what the shooter did does not matter.
Forgiving the shooter does not mean he does not deserve to face sever consequences & justice for his actions.

Hope that helps.

[38 returns]

I was clearly taking the piss

may jebus forgive me

[unwieldy]

No it does not. That is a liberal misunderstanding of Christianity.

The reason she forgave him is to unburden herself of the poison
Holding resentment is like drinking poison and hoping the other person dies.

Her forgiving the shooter frees her, it does not mean that what the shooter did does not matter.
Forgiving the shooter does not mean he does not deserve to face sever consequences & justice for his actions.

Hope that helps.

Correct, it's unhealthy to let it control you.

[joswift]

The Euthyphro Dilemma

Just Googled that, now my afternoon is sorted...

[LurkerNoMore]

Serious question...how are the beans prepared? Are they soggy? Flavored?

I once asked a Brit, "is all of your food always so awful?"  His reply, "if it's been prepared correctly it is."

[LurkerNoMore]

I would not feel safe in chicago for example not a chance

[Krankenstein]

thanks for an even handed measured response Krank its appreciated and your points as ever are valid. I appreciate it.

No problem.  Growing up we never had guns in the house (mom was opposed, Dad actually was ex-military)

It wasn't until the whole Floyd thing that I made the decision to get one.  Talk about coming to suburbs, invading homes and businesses.  Nope.  You're not going to do that to me.

There's no one I know that owns guns that do not talk about the respect you have to have for them.  I don't think you can argue that it will always come down to the person.  So many weak minded people nowadays thanks to this creation we call social media. 

[Krankenstein]

its not though I am just highlighting what I view as the incompatability of religion and a moral code an dfirearm ownership. I may use piss take examples but they are still relevant, surely.

I do think you're making a big leap between the religion and firearm thing.  I will ask my question to you another way.  If someone is a christian, should they avoid any job where a firearm is involved?

[Super Nattie]

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