You dont "add muscle"

[joswift]

Depends on what you mean by high reps and volume. Heavier sets also have thier place with form. Levrone did lower reps. My physique looked best with low/moderate and high reps and a decent amount of volume in a session with enough recovery between sessions.

And bodybuilding is not the only correct way to train as I keep saying, not everyone is soley focused on training only with the thought of swelling fibers to feel better about themselves. I dont even think along those lines anymore.

Ai says
Unlike many contemporaries who chased higher rep schemes of 10 to 12 for all exercises, Levrone strongly believed that his dense muscular growth came from going heavy with strict form.[1] His standard approach paired low-rep compound lifts with higher-volume accessory work to maximize both hypertrophy and strength. The breakdown of his rep ranges includes:

Compound Movements: Kept strictly in the 6 to 8 rep range (sometimes going even lower for maximal strength tests on exercises like the bench press or squat). This allowed him to move immense amounts of weight—such as bench pressing over 450 to 500 pounds—while stimulating deep muscle fibers.[1]


Isolation and Accessory Exercises: Typically performed in the
8 to 12 or 12 to 15 rep range (such as cable crossovers, pushdowns, lateral raises, and preacher curls) to flush the target muscle with blood and secure high set volume

Ai then goes on to say
Using lower weights with higher repetitions does not inherently target a different physical part or region of a muscle simply because the weight is lighter.[1] Instead, whether you lift a heavy weight for low reps or a light weight for high reps, the anatomical path of the movement—determined by joint angles, grip, and the line of pull—remains the primary driver of which region or head of a muscle is emphasized.


so it basically contradicts Levrones low weight for deeper muscle fibres

A muscle has no idea what you are lifting, it responds to intensity.

[IroNat]

Ai says
Unlike many contemporaries who chased higher rep schemes of 10 to 12 for all exercises, Levrone strongly believed that his dense muscular growth came from going heavy with strict form.[1] His standard approach paired low-rep compound lifts with higher-volume accessory work to maximize both hypertrophy and strength. The breakdown of his rep ranges includes:

Compound Movements: Kept strictly in the 6 to 8 rep range (sometimes going even lower for maximal strength tests on exercises like the bench press or squat). This allowed him to move immense amounts of weight—such as bench pressing over 450 to 500 pounds—while stimulating deep muscle fibers.[1]


Isolation and Accessory Exercises: Typically performed in the
8 to 12 or 12 to 15 rep range (such as cable crossovers, pushdowns, lateral raises, and preacher curls) to flush the target muscle with blood and secure high set volume

Ai then goes on to say
Using lower weights with higher repetitions does not inherently target a different physical part or region of a muscle simply because the weight is lighter.[1] Instead, whether you lift a heavy weight for low reps or a light weight for high reps, the anatomical path of the movement—determined by joint angles, grip, and the line of pull—remains the primary driver of which region or head of a muscle is emphasized.


so it basically contradicts Levrones low weight for deeper muscle fibres

A muscle has no idea what you are lifting, it responds to intensity.

For the benefit of the new members, please define "intensity".

[Kwon]

It is a lot of water and you lose most of it shockingly quickly when you stop; I know from much experience. However, when you look at the dbol warriors you also see the shoulders widening, you see the traps coming out, hormone size is different from say creatine size, even if both are mostly water, and even if both add the same weight on the scale.

I was on a loong dbol only cycle here back in the late 90s. Nowadays every shitfluencer thinks dbol sucks but they are idiots LOL. They make you feel soo good. Someone gave me a few bottles of inject dbol but can't really use it anymore, gives me heartburn.

Lookin good there Van!

[robcguns]

He wasnt as big as Paul Dillet who never lifted heavy

I agree higher protein does aid recovery, 200gms a day is enough for anyone I dont care how big you are

Agreed 200g is plenty for anyone.

[IroNat]

Dorians actual volume averaged 8 to 10 total sets for Chest, 13 to 16 sets for Back, 6 to 7 sets for Shoulders, 6 sets for Triceps, 5 sets for Biceps, 8 sets for Quadriceps, 5 to 6 sets for Hamstrings, and 3 to 5 sets for Calves

Using Gemini deep research. I wouldn't call that low volume

The most volume was his back, and his back was his best bodypart

Dorian (according to his book) did 1-2 sets of each exercise.
So, for chest he would do 3-4 exercises per bodypart, 2 sets each, once a week.  6-8 sets a week total.
Yes, he usually did one or two warmup sets per exercise as needed.
This is much less volume than what typical top bodybuilders like Arnold did.
They would do 20-25 sets per bodypart, two or even three times a week. 40-70+ sets per week.
Even if they only trained a bodypart once a week that would still be 20-25 sets vs. 6-8 sets like Dorian.
Dorian burned the calories not expended by long workouts by doing cardio.  Blasphemy! 
Back in the late 70s/early 80s we did 20-25 sets per bodypart over 4-5 exercises at least twice a week.
So, 40-50 sets a week per bodypart.
And these were hard sets close to positive failure, occasional forced reps.
We would have thought it impossible to get results doing 6-10 sets a week.

Lately, I've been doing only two sets per exercise, 2-4 exercises per bodypart.
I like it and the workouts don't take 2+hours like if you did 20 sets.
Does it work?
For me at this point in life it is acceptable.

[joswift]

Dorian (according to his book) did 1-2 sets of each exercise.
So, for chest he would do 3-4 exercises per bodypart, 2 sets each, once a week.  6-8 sets a week total.
Yes, he usually did one or two warmup sets per exercise as needed.
This is much less volume than what typical top bodybuilders like Arnold did.
They would do 20-25 sets per bodypart, two or even three times a week. 40-70+ sets per week.
Even if they only trained a bodypart once a week that would still be 20-25 sets vs. 6-8 sets like Dorian.
Dorian burned the calories not expended by long workouts by doing cardio.  Blasphemy! 
Back in the late 70s/early 80s we did 20-25 sets per bodypart over 4-5 exercises at least twice a week.
So, 40-50 sets a week per bodypart.
And these were hard sets close to positive failure, occasional forced reps.
We would have thought it impossible to get results doing 6-10 sets a week.

Lately, I've been doing only two sets per exercise, 2-4 exercises per bodypart.
I like it and the workouts don't take 2+hours like if you did 20 sets.
Does it work?
For me at this point in life it is acceptable.

Dorain also claimed to be training harder than anyone else, total bullshit, anyone can do 2 sets to failure.

Imagine watching Dorian doing a round of giant sets with Milos, he would have had a heart attack

[MAXX]

Agreed 200g is plenty for anyone.

totally depends.... on your bodymass and as well as metabolism and how hard you train, and many other genetical factors.

Also we know that AAS increases protein synthesis, by alot. So these blank statements about max roof of protein are just dumb.

[Donny]

Dorain also claimed to be training harder than anyone else, total bullshit, anyone can do 2 sets to failure.

Imagine watching Dorian doing a round of giant sets with Milos, he would have had a heart attack

Yet nowadays Dorian looks much better & is more flexible as he ages
Milos is hardly recognisable now, probably can't touch his toes.

[MAXX]

oh yeah yeah 200 grams protein is max for all humans we know this is the max because I heard you can only absorb 30 grams every meal 















































meanwhile



genetic variance is a thing naaaah






















200 grams max






200 grams max

[joswift]

Yet nowadays Dorian looks much better & is more flexible as he ages
Milos is hardly recognisable now, probably can't touch his toes.

Wrong , Dorian is struggling, he was at the pro show Krizo won, he was onstage and looked every year of his age, his arms looked like an old mans

[joswift]

oh yeah yeah 200 grams protein is max for all humans we know this is the max because I heard you can only absorb 30 grams every meal 















































meanwhile



genetic variance is a thing naaaah






















200 grams max






200 grams max

If you cant create new fibres than why would you need hundreds of grams of protein

An old friend of mine used to eat no protein at all, he was vegan, he used to eat 1 meal a day of steamed veg and competed in iron man events

He added 6 eggs to his daily diet and put back on 20lb of muscle in a a couple of months

What evidence do you have to say 400gms of protein is better than 200gms?

[Donny]

Wrong , Dorian is struggling, he was at the pro show Krizo won, he was onstage and looked every year of his age, his arms looked like an old mans

Milos face looks Bloated like a liver problem fatty liver, build up of fluid in his face
that puffy look 

[IroNat]

If you cant create new fibres than why would you need hundreds of grams of protein

An old friend of mine used to eat no protein at all, he was vegan, he used to eat 1 meal a day of steamed veg and competed in iron man events

He added 6 eggs to his daily diet and put back on 20lb of muscle in a a couple of months

What evidence do you have to say 400gms of protein is better than 200gms?

Eggs are the key.
It's been right in front of us all this time.

[Donny]

If you cant create new fibres than why would you need hundreds of grams of protein

An old friend of mine used to eat no protein at all, he was vegan, he used to eat 1 meal a day of steamed veg and competed in iron man events

He added 6 eggs to his daily diet and put back on 20lb of muscle in a a couple of months

What evidence do you have to say 400gms of protein is better than 200gms?

Proof of this amazing miracle ?

[BigRo]

If you want to get big lift heavy ass weight and eat like a beast.

[Humble Narcissist]

Also you don't ''add fat''

Bro...

[joswift]

Proof of this amazing miracle ?

do you want photos of him ?

He also added test and masteron along with the eggs

[Grape Ape]

do you want photos of him ?

He also added test and masteron along with the eggs

Irrelevant context.

It was the eggs that did it.

[Donny]

 

[Van_Bilderass]

That’s you?  Great build bro, I had no idea.

Dbol makes you big and strong and has you feeling like Superman, but it has more estrogenic side effects than other orals.  Bloat, moon face, acne, gyno.  I still like it but I’d recommend turinabol or anavar to someone who wants to look good.

A lifetime ago haha, thanks.

Dbol size can be a little soft but at the same time everyone on here admires the old school physiques which were built on dbol an they are on it in many of the pics we admire. I'm positive someone could come into a show on it and be very crisp and dry. I has been done too. That you should switch out your dbol or Anadrol to Anavar or Winstrol is just an assumption made a long time ago. Everyone used to think you couldn't look hard on testosterone either.

If someone was on TRT and wanted to go "Sports HRT" for a number of weeks, which you can do through some US clinics with Anavar, they could also try just 10-15mg of dbol and look and feel great. Just my take on it.

I think Anadrol is probably overall the best pre-contest oral for competitors. But everyone just has to do Winstrol

Quite a strange take to say D-Bol isn’t a great drug.

It’s one of the few magic pills I’ve ever taken. I didn’t get many side effects and they weren’t even expensive. Quite the hook-up to find someone with Naposim in the 90’s.

Funny you say that haha. Someone walked into the gym with 20K Naposim and I bought 2K and I was on that in the pic. I only saw them that one time but all the others were great too.

[wes]

Jeff,if you never add muscle,please explain to us how Hankins has gained an EXTRA muscle in his upper back   

[joswift]

Jeff,if you never add muscle,please explain to us how Hankins has gained an EXTRA muscle in his upper back   

the extra muscle in his back was developed by him looking over his shoulder shouting encouragement to men fucking him up the ass

[wes]

the extra muscle in his back was developed by him looking over his shoulder shouting encouragement to men fucking him up the ass

HA HA HA HA HA HA  LOL 

[Titus Pullo]

Dorain also claimed to be training harder than anyone else, total bullshit, anyone can do 2 sets to failure.

Imagine watching Dorian doing a round of giant sets with Milos, he would have had a heart attack

You and I talked about this ages ago.  I think that Rimjob troll was in the mix, too

I don't expect you to agree with me now anymore than you did back then , *but* I actually think Dorian wasn't too off-base with his claim.  Look at what how his contemporaries trained:  Dillet, lazy: Flex, also very damned lazy; Haney, ehh...I'm from his neck of the woods and lifted with him as a teen, and his training was, shall we say, conservative (just like on his show...the man could flat bench 405 for 5-6, yet he rarely did that); Kevin worked heavy and hard, but after a certain point, only lifted a few months per year vs. Yates pounding it year-round; Nasshole, I dunno...his training tapes didn't impress me at the time, but my memory is going; Shawn was a very hard worker, though, in fairness.

Dorian DID seem to put more effort, consistently, than at least most of those guys.  Low volume isn't mutually exclusive with busting ass.  For example, Arnold worked hard but from everything I've seen, his marathon volume sessions were: a, something he only did in contest prep; and b, he never took sets to actual failure.  He'd come close, but no Cuban.  He left reps in the tank.  Even when he was grunting and making a spectacle for the cameras with those cable crossovers in "Pumping Iron," he could've done more.

There's no question that there are tons of guys who trained harder, going beyond failure on lots of sets, all the time.  But that's contextually sensitive.  None of those guys counted as Dorian's rivals, and that was what he was talking about -- not gym rats or pros who weren't in the mix for top spots.

That's my two cents.  I'll remove Dozzer's dick from my holes now.  I know you hate him anyway, and as I said, I've little doubt I'll change your mind.