i mentioned that hear about ayear ago and everybody laughed at me and made the typical jokes,i remember back in 95 when i heard a top nat bodybuilder in jersey discussing how good the preparation h was,he said something like the same ingrediant the used in thimucase(spell check)was in preparation h,ill speak from experiance that preparation h works good,i get the oderless one,it only worked well for me when i was pretty much in my top shape with minimum bodyfat.i used to rub it on my lower abs and lower chest to help pull that extra water out