pullovers or dips

[BallzDeep69]

It's over-hyped, for some who find it next to useless. Decline flys and dumbbell presses are great alternatives.

Barbell Bench presses, incline dumbell presses, and flat dumbell flyes work great for me.

[BallzDeep69]

bitch shut up...dips are worthless unless done on a bench with plates on your lap when done for triceps.   and pullovers are a shitty chest developer, and add tons of width to your front lat spread when done correctly

I actually agree with this kid.  Though I also think bench dips are a retarded, stupid exercise.

[lilwoday09smb]

ronnie does machine dips for triceps, a totally diff muscle being worked

[BallzDeep69]

Ronnie does dips, but what the hell does he know?

True, he does occasionally does machine dips as one of his tricep exercises.

[Princess L]

Hi Princess L, who are you referring to as clueless? Bast or Candidate?

I think Bast is old enough to realize he doesn't know everything. 
It's the 16 year olds who have it all figured out 










Sorry 
It's past my bedtime.
I was referring to C2025, our resident expert.

[Princess L]

Let's get this straight once and for all
(sarcastic tone of voice)
 
Chest Dip for chest
Tricep Dip for triceps

[BallzDeep69]

Those are both for triceps. ^

[pumpster]

Though I also think bench dips are a retarded, stupid exercise.

Bench dips were a big fave of Fox & Schwarzenegger; machine dips that are similar were/are faves of Dillet & Coleman. Definitely one of the best for tris, as good or better than close-grips yet different.

[haider]

Those are both for triceps. ^

not the leaning forward dips 

[dontknowit]

Neither.

But Pullovers hit the inner pecs if done right.
...

So you have inner pecs

Serious note;
dips = compound excersise;
it hits triceps, chest and shoulders.

Pullovers,
shoulderwrecker,
but the funny thing is,
people who claim that they can't do behind the neck-press, love this excersise.
Pullover btw does jackshit,
it hits the abs, back, but it leaves the chest.

[pumpster]

Never had any issues with pullovers and shoulder problems, none. Much more for lats than chest, agreed.

[Princess L]

Those are both for triceps. ^

not the leaning forward dips 

Serious note;
dips = compound exercise;
it hits triceps, chest and shoulders.

The concept of compound seems to elude some 

[haider]

Ofcourse it hits the triceps also, but we're talking abt chest exercises here. Leaning forward dips, as opposed to tricep dips(on a parallel bar), hit the chest much better, and that was my point. Generally, the triceps are included as a 'synergist' muscle group when talking about "Leaning Forward" dips, even on the exrx site you are referring to: http://www.exrx.net/WeightExercises/PectoralSternal/WtChestDip.html

 

[FatGuy]

I'm not an expert but I will add dips in at the end of my chest workout when my Tri's are still stronger that my chest and I can really feel it..if you want to work you Tri's more do the opposite do your dips when your chest is stronger than your tri's maybe at the end of an arm day or something...I believe its called pre-fatiguing...

[knny187]

In regards to the topic....

dips > pullovers

[Princess L]

Ofcourse it hits the triceps also, but we're talking abt chest exercises here. Leaning forward dips, as opposed to tricep dips(on a parallel bar), hit the chest much better, and that was my point. Generally, the triceps are included as a 'synergist' muscle group when talking about "Leaning Forward" dips, even on the exrx site you are referring to: http://www.exrx.net/WeightExercises/PectoralSternal/WtChestDip.html

 

Relax haider. 
I was agreeing with you.
 

[BallzDeep69]

Bench dips were a big fave of Fox & Schwarzenegger; machine dips that are similar were/are faves of Dillet & Coleman. Definitely one of the best for tris, as good or better than close-grips yet different.

Yeah and Arnold's tri's were his worst bodypart, and no they weren't Arnold's "Fav" whatsoever.  He always gave credit for what little tricep mass he had to skullcrushers.  He did bench dips for really high reps (20-25) at the end of his routine for a pump. 

Machine dips are good for the tris because you can manipulate the angle of pressing to where it is ALL tris.

[BallzDeep69]

not the leaning forward dips 

I can lean foward to where I'm nearly horizontal and it is still a tricep exercise for me.  Even if I use a wide grip, I just feel it in my delts a little more but not my chest really at all.

[BallzDeep69]

So you have inner pecs

Serious note;
dips = compound excersise;
it hits triceps, chest and shoulders.

Pullovers,
shoulderwrecker,
but the funny thing is,
people who claim that they can't do behind the neck-press, love this excersise.
Pullover btw does jackshit,
it hits the abs, back, but it leaves the chest.

Yes, I have inner pecs or "chest cleavage".  You would too if you worked your chest effectively and from different angles.

[BallzDeep69]

The concept of compound seems to elude some 

Dips are compound no doubt, but it doesn't isolate my chest worth a damn. 

My point seems to elude you.


The Bench press is a compound exercise that isolates my chest very well, without over-stimulating my delts and triceps like dips do.

[pumpster]

Yeah and Arnold's tri's were his worst bodypart, and no they weren't Arnold's "Fav" whatsoever.

I luv the way you've left out Fox and bench dips. Dillet also loves a similar move, machine dips.

I said A fave of Schwarzenegger's, and they were. He NEVER said a particualar exercise was his favorite, so put aside the fiction. As far as his triceps, while they didn't match the bis they were actually pretty good sized, so you'd be wrong there too..

[Princess L]

Dips are compound no doubt, but it doesn't isolate my chest worth a damn. 

My point seems to elude you.

You have made it very clear several times they don't work for YOU.  Fine. Of course, not everything works for everyone.  However, to claim the chest dip performed as depicted above is not a chest exercise goes against basic kinesiology.                       


btw ~ I wasn't even talking to you




                         

[BallzDeep69]

I luv the way you've left out Fox and bench dips. Dillet also loves a similar move, machine dips.

I said A fave of Schwarzenegger's, and they were. He NEVER said a particualar exercise was his favorite, so put aside the fiction. As far as his triceps, while they didn't match the bis they were actually pretty good sized, so you'd be wrong there too..

O.K. "pumpster". 

Why do you "luv" it so much? Weirdo.  Yeah I tend to leave out convicted, violent MURDERERS from my posts.  Besides, Bertil was a gentically freakish black man who would have grown monster tri's no matter what he did.

I don't know what playgirl mag you've been reading, but Arnold ALWAYS said skullcrushers were his favorite for tricep mass.  Fact.  He even said himself that his tri's were weak.  Compared to yours of course they are large!

So nope, I'm not wrong either way.  Sorry to have to bring your Uber internet ego down a notch.

[BallzDeep69]

You have made it very clear several times they don't work for YOU.  Fine. Of course, not everything works for everyone.  However, to claim the chest dip performed as depicted above is not a chest exercise goes against basic kinesiology.                      


btw ~ I wasn't even talking to you




                         

Everyone knows that "basic kinesiology" is very out-dated, that and I couldn't give 2 girls about what a book says about an exercise.  People have different structures and I don't think enough people's pecs respond to so called "chest dips" to warrant it a pec exercise.  Some swear by it, and that's fine.  Do what works for you.


If you weren't talking to me, then don't quote me then go and make snide remarks below it. 

[pumpster]

O.K. "pumpster". 

Why do you "luv" it so much? Weirdo.  Yeah I tend to leave out convicted, violent MURDERERS from my posts.  Besides, Bertil was a gentically freakish black man who would have grown monster tri's no matter what he did.

"Balls" confirming both SERIOUS anger-management issues and big-time know-all attitude.
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