Sarcasm in my natural pic my arms were probably 19" on stage.I had decent size for a natural my arms got to 20" pumped and my chest was 54" at 255lbs.I also benched 500lbs raw naturally, and curled 225lbs for 4 reps naturally.As far as Frank Zane goes, Brian X masterbates to his pics, lol.Frank Zane has a diffrent structure then I do,I am built more like Nasser, and Art Atwood just a smaller version.I only used anabolics for 3 years,2002-2005 never did growth and insulin, and got up to 290 lbs, and competed at 258 lbs.Frank Zane had good symetry ,very small bones, and would come in hard.I didnt perticulary care for Zanes physique, but I know him and he is a great person.I liked Bertil Fox, and Mike Metzner's physique over Zanes.That is just my opinion