Aight, your talking about nowadays pros but this is still a question of semantics. Adonis has ripped regular members like me and you for their steroid use, and this is my point. You can't have it both ways, if you are a steroid user, you are a steroid user. Just because one guy has an aesthetically pleasing, "natural" look to his physique, shouldn't vault him to a higher level in one's opinion, without even mentioning the drugs. When this same dude (Adonis) will bash an overly muscular unsymmetrical physique, and will simultaneously cry, "all drugs". Mr. "wishy washy" Adonis.