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People gorging on 6k cals a day are not gaining any extra muscle than someone eating 3k
They are just getting fatter.
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True.
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mike mentzer said this years and years ago
stankins keeps telling me to eat more, which is total and complete horseshit, coz if you eat beyond need you just get fucking fatter, extra cals do not hasten the muscle gaining process
so yep, mentzer is/was right
but AJ actually said this before him
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What can you do for your hormones to build muscle (other than take PED's) or is there anything you can do?
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What can you do for your hormones to build muscle (other than take PED's) or is there anything you can do?
Squats supersetted with dumbell pullovers.....
Just kidding, no, there is nothing you can do.
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Franco, Arnold and Zane all gained weight going into a contest. Yes I know they are steroid guys. The bulk and then diet down system of the early 60's is nuts. Gain lean muscle.
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Squats supersetted with dumbell pullovers.....
Just kidding, no, there is nothing you can do.
^This. A natural will gain on average 5-10 pounds a year for the first 3-4 years, then it plateaus. Some will gain more, some will gain less, but in the end it stops for everyone who isn't taking exogenous hormones. Pre 1940's bodybuilders are what can be attained naturally. Past that era chemical warfare began.
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^This. A natural will gain on average 5-10 pounds a year for the first 3-4 years, then it plateaus. Some will gain more, some will gain less, but in the end it stops for everyone who isn't taking exogenous hormones. Pre 1940's bodybuilders are what can be attained naturally. Past that era chemical warfare began.
Most of us start in our teens so a lot of those gains are just from growing into your adult body . No way a natty who starts lifting in his 30s gains 10 pounds of muscle a year for three years.
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Most of us start in our teens so a lot of those gains are just from growing into your adult body . No way a natty who starts lifting in his 30s gains 10 pounds of muscle a year for three years.
I agree - but instead of writing a Wikipedia page I just put some general thoughts down, lol
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Muscles dont grow in the sense they get new tissue
All that happens is the muscles you have expand and get bigger (Hypertrophy)
You dont get new tissue (hyperplasia)
All the "you break down tissue and it grows back bigger" is a myth
Genetics dictates how big muscles get
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I was a very lean 150 pounds when I started lifting in my early 20's, at a height of 5'9". About 5 years later I weighed 185 give or take and was about the same leanness. That's kind where it all tapered off and any weight I put on since then was fat.
The routine I settled on after trying all the whacky stuff was doing 3 sets of 8-10 reps and adding weight every so often, doing that twice a week for a particular exercise. Every so often I'd take a week off because i was tired, then I'd restart.
All the research I have done on natural weight lifters shows I was in the midrange for muscle growth. I still think adding 30+ pounds of muscle from weight training was pretty amazing, and I got a lot stronger to boot. But these chemical monsters we see on bodybuilding pages are so far outside the realm of natural that it is just a chemical freak show- and i watch them for the freak show thrill, haha.
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I was a very lean 150 pounds when I started lifting in my early 20's, at a height of 5'9". About 5 years later I weighed 185 give or take and was about the same leanness. That's kind where it all tapered off and any weight I put on since then was fat.
The routine I settled on after trying all the whacky stuff was doing 3 sets of 8-10 reps and adding weight every so often, doing that twice a week for a particular exercise. Every so often I'd take a week off because i was tired, then I'd restart.
All the research I have done on natural weight lifters shows I was in the midrange for muscle growth. I still think adding 30+ pounds of muscle from weight training was pretty amazing, and I got a lot stronger to boot. But these chemical monsters we see on bodybuilding pages are so far outside the realm of natural that it is just a chemical freak show- and i watch them for the freak show thrill, haha.
they just build bigger verisons of thier same look
ie. as the arms, legs, back etc grow so does the waist
looks shit
keep the waist at 30 inches while adding 20-40 pounds then we can talk
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I was a very lean 150 pounds when I started lifting in my early 20's, at a height of 5'9". About 5 years later I weighed 185 give or take and was about the same leanness. That's kind where it all tapered off and any weight I put on since then was fat.
The routine I settled on after trying all the whacky stuff was doing 3 sets of 8-10 reps and adding weight every so often, doing that twice a week for a particular exercise. Every so often I'd take a week off because i was tired, then I'd restart.
All the research I have done on natural weight lifters shows I was in the midrange for muscle growth. I still think adding 30+ pounds of muscle from weight training was pretty amazing, and I got a lot stronger to boot. But these chemical monsters we see on bodybuilding pages are so far outside the realm of natural that it is just a chemical freak show- and i watch them for the freak show thrill, haha.
I started at a low BF 155lbs and am now a lean 200lb onstage same BF % after 40 years training
If I was natural and the same BF % with training I would probably weigh 185
If I stopped training and maintaned the same BF% I would likely be 155 again.
We all end up back where we started eventually
Even pros end up back where they started if the stop training and taking hormones.
Imagine Cormier at 5% BF now untrained.
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I started at a low BF 155lbs and am now a lean 200lb onstage same BF % after 40 years training
If I was natural and the same BF % with training I would probably weigh 185
If I stopped training and maintaned the same BF% I would likely be 155 again.
We all end up back where we started eventually
Even pros end up back where they started if the stop training and taking hormones.
Imagine Cormier at 5% BF now untrained.
Cormier would be too weak to beat women like he did Amho Hight...
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Cormier would be too weak to beat women like he did Amho Hight...
How’s she doing?
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Why do people think they need the exact same number of calories everyday? Do animals in the wild eat the same calories everyday did our ancestors? Or did they eat a lot after a hunt then slowly eat less for a few days then finally go hungry a day or two until the next kill?
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they just build bigger verisons of thier same look
ie. as the arms, legs, back etc grow so does the waist
looks shit
keep the waist at 30 inches while adding 20-40 pounds then we can talk
Pretty easy when you start at 120 lbs.
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How’s she doing?
Showing ripped to the bone conditioning.
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Regarding protein and calories, even many PDR entries for anabolics back in the day said you need to eat "more" protein and calories for the drugs to work. It's just a fact. And it's not as Mike Mentzer said that you, as he had calculated, only need
a bite of an apple over the basal metabolic rate to gain optimally. You also can't calculate the amount of extra protein in the amount of tissue you can build with/without anabolics and only eat that extra amount, it's not an efficient process like that.
If we're talking anabolics users, as we are here I assume, just look at the food intakes vs the average size of bodybuilders. Calories and protein intakes will be pretty similar among similar sized guys. Now that doesn't mean that a 150lbs kid starting out needs 300 grams of protein from the outset. Today bodybuilders are very good at calculating the needs of different sized individuals, don't you guys agree? Gone are the days when bodybuilders grew fat - if they have a nutrition coach. Most everyone stays
very lean. But what you are going to find is that everyone eats "high" protein.
In the past many getbiggers argued that you don't need more than 50-80 grams a day. It's just not factual.
For a science based approach, I'd recommend Lyle McDonald.
Regarding what bhanks said, you're not going to do well as a growing bb if you frequently go hungry. Sure, the body is adaptable like that, it's also adaptable in that the body is "made" to go thirsty at times. But it's just not optimal. To grow the quickest you need to keep mtor stimulated constantly and you should attempt to stay hydrated as well.
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Regarding protein and calories, even many PDR entries for anabolics back in the day said you need to eat "more" protein and calories for the drugs to work. It's just a fact. And it's not as Mike Mentzer said that you, as he had calculated, only need
a bite of an apple over the basal metabolic rate to gain optimally. You also can't calculate the amount of extra protein in the amount of tissue you can build with/without anabolics and only eat that extra amount, it's not an efficient process like that.
If we're talking anabolics users, as we are here I assume, just look at the food intakes vs the average size of bodybuilders. Calories and protein intakes will be pretty similar among similar sized guys. Now that doesn't mean that a 150lbs kid starting out needs 300 grams of protein from the outset. Today bodybuilders are very good at calculating the needs of different sized individuals, don't you guys agree? Gone are the days when bodybuilders grew fat - if they have a nutrition coach. Most everyone stays
very lean. But what you are going to find is that everyone eats "high" protein.
In the past many getbiggers argued that you don't need more than 50-80 grams a day. It's just not factual.
For a science based approach, I'd recommend Lyle McDonald.
Regarding what bhanks said, you're not going to do well as a growing bb if you frequently go hungry. Sure, the body is adaptable like that, it's also adaptable in that the body is "made" to go thirsty at times. But it's just not optimal. To grow the quickest you need to keep mtor stimulated constantly and you should attempt to stay hydrated as well.
you know justin harris right?
he says all that is needed for growing 20 pounds of muscle a year, which is an amazing gain for one year, you only need a few grams of extra protien per day, something like 10 grams
patrick tuor, the swiss coach, has his guys on low pro and they are round and full
in fact one of them who is 250+ on stage was only eating 120 grams per day
danny padilla was eating 80-100 same with platz for thier prep for the 81 olympia and they both looked the best they ever looked that year, they were both influnced by mentzer at that time
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also, people vastly over estimate for how long they can continue to be gaining muscle, and how much muscle they stand to gain over their entire lifetime. realistically, it you havent built the muscle within your first 5 years of training, it's over for you
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Regarding protein and calories, even many PDR entries for anabolics back in the day said you need to eat "more" protein and calories for the drugs to work. It's just a fact. And it's not as Mike Mentzer said that you, as he had calculated, only need
a bite of an apple over the basal metabolic rate to gain optimally. You also can't calculate the amount of extra protein in the amount of tissue you can build with/without anabolics and only eat that extra amount, it's not an efficient process like that.
If we're talking anabolics users, as we are here I assume, just look at the food intakes vs the average size of bodybuilders. Calories and protein intakes will be pretty similar among similar sized guys. Now that doesn't mean that a 150lbs kid starting out needs 300 grams of protein from the outset. Today bodybuilders are very good at calculating the needs of different sized individuals, don't you guys agree? Gone are the days when bodybuilders grew fat - if they have a nutrition coach. Most everyone stays
very lean. But what you are going to find is that everyone eats "high" protein.
In the past many getbiggers argued that you don't need more than 50-80 grams a day. It's just not factual.
For a science based approach, I'd recommend Lyle McDonald.
Regarding what bhanks said, you're not going to do well as a growing bb if you frequently go hungry. Sure, the body is adaptable like that, it's also adaptable in that the body is "made" to go thirsty at times. But it's just not optimal. To grow the quickest you need to keep mtor stimulated constantly and you should attempt to stay hydrated as well.
anabolics were invented to work best in people in poor health, initially for hypogonadism and then onto people recovering from other ailments such as wasting diseases.
they were never designed for people in good health.
If thats true then they would still work on a very restricted diet
Another silly belief is the 6-8 meals a day bollocks
Fucks sake your body has less energy to work on the rest of the bodily functions if you are constantly digesting food.
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you know justin harris right?
he says all that is needed for growing 20 pounds of muscle a year, which is an amazing gain for one year, you only need a few grams of extra protien per day, something like 10 grams
patrick tuor, the swiss coach, has his guys on low pro and they are round and full
in fact one of them who is 250+ on stage was only eating 120 grams per day
danny padilla was eating 80-100 same with platz for thier prep for the 81 olympia and they both looked the best they ever looked that year, they were both influnced by mentzer at that time
I have a hard time believing that about Patrick Tuor, can't say you are wrong though. They "all" eat "high" protein.
Justin Harris believes in eating big overall. He "prescribes" MK677 for some guys who can't eat the required amount.
anabolics were invented to work best in people in poor health, initially for hypogonadism and then onto people recovering from other ailments such as wasting diseases.
they were never designed for people in good health.
If thats true then they would still work on a very restricted diet
Another silly belief is the 6-8 meals a day bollocks
Fucks sake your body has less energy to work on the rest of the bodily functions if you are constantly digesting food.
"They" have revised the amount of meals per day, most of the coaches, though most of them recommend at least 4 meals.
But regarding protein, how much would you recommend per kilo or pound on average. How much did you eat precontest this last time and how much off season. What about if you were younger and thought you could still put on maybe 20lbs of lbm and wanted to do it the quickest way? How about how many more calories over maintenance per day in
a "gaining phase" if starting out really lean? I know this is a lot of questions for you but I'm interested. :)
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I have a hard time believing that about Patrick Tuor, can't say you are wrong though. They "all" eat "high" protein.
Justin Harris believes in eating big overall. He "prescribes" MK677 for some guys who can't eat the required amount.
"They" have revised the amount of meals per day, most of the coaches, though most of them recommend at least 4 meals.
But regarding protein, how much would you recommend per kilo or pound on average. How much did you eat precontest this last time and how much off season. What about if you were younger and thought you could still put on maybe 20lbs of lbm and wanted to do it the quickest way? How about how many more calories over maintenance per day in
a "gaining phase" if starting out really lean? I know this is a lot of questions for you but I'm interested. :)
brad says 3-4 meals per day is enough here in this vid
nubret ate only 1 or 2 meals a day supposedly
he also says 2-3 reps in reserve is just as good as going to failure, but i call bs on that
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"They" have revised the amount of meals per day, most of the coaches, though most of them recommend at least 4 meals.
But regarding protein, how much would you recommend per kilo or pound on average. How much did you eat precontest this last time and how much off season. What about if you were younger and thought you could still put on maybe 20lbs of lbm and wanted to do it the quickest way? How about how many more calories over maintenance per day in
a "gaining phase" if starting out really lean? I know this is a lot of questions for you but I'm interested. :)
I dont really know how much I was eating , probably around 200gms or so beacuse I put carbs back in.
Eating a carnivore I was eating more protein.
Off season for me I eat pretty normally, I only eat like a bodybuilder pre-contest
I dont think anyone needs any more than 200 cals over maintenance a day.
Obvioulsy you would have to track all your energy expenditure to be that accurate so I would advise 500 cals a day but keep the fat gain in check and FFS dont be smiling when you gain ten pounds in a week
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brad says 3-4 meals per day is enough here in this vid
nubret ate only 1 or 2 meals a day supposedly
he also says 2-3 reps in reserve is just as good as going to failure, but i call bs on that
depends on what you mean by failure
Is it stopping when you cant get a rep strictly or after cheating some out?
And most compound excercises dont really allow you to go to failure without risking injury
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brad says 3-4 meals per day is enough here in this vid
nubret ate only 1 or 2 meals a day supposedly
he also says 2-3 reps in reserve is just as good as going to failure, but i call bs on that
I'll tell you one thing, I think Brad is a total joke and not just because he never ever went to failure and is a big pussy, but also because his research is just shit. He claims he puts people on programs where they squat to failure for 10 or even 35 sets (I may be exaggerating but not by much) with a minutes rest between sets in "his lab." Just impossible stuff.
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Weight training is not complicated. A decent load for multiple sets performed a few times a week. Probably the single most important factor is consistency- if you stick with training long enough, sleep well and maintain a good diet, you will get bigger and stronger. There are no shortcuts if you are trying to stay natural. Muscle growth is slow.
I remember starting out as a runner in high school. I didn't compete- I just ran with friends on a very regular basis and we slowly got faster and faster. By the time I was 18 I ran 5K under 18 minutes without breaking a sweat- that is not super competitive but still pretty quick. When I tried to go to the next level I started structured training and knocked another 2 min off my 5K time but I then hated running and eventually quit. I think back and wonder if I just kept running for fun how much better I might have gotten.
I treat weight training like that- I lift for the pump and enjoy it.
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I dont really know how much I was eating , probably around 200gms or so beacuse I put carbs back in.
Eating a carnivore I was eating more protein.
Thanks. So you eat a good and believable amount of protein. Docs and nutritionists would class that as "high" protein. So the 50-80 grams is woefully inadequate in most cases. 80 grams is just the RDA for a 100kg person and it's not going to work well for a bb, unless they compete at 135lbs. If you were ever trying to gain a lot more, with a lot of anabolics and GH, you would be at the approx. 300 gram "very high" camp as well. Like every other "big" bb. Those pushing to the max with anabolics are generally in the 350 gram or even 400 gram range especially precontest, if they weigh more than maybe 215 on stage.
Just my interpretation :)
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Weight training is not complicated. A decent load for multiple sets performed a few times a week. Probably the single most important factor is consistency- if you stick with training long enough, sleep well and maintain a good diet, you will get bigger and stronger. There are no shortcuts if you are trying to stay natural. Muscle growth is slow.
I remember starting out as a runner in high school. I didn't compete- I just ran with friends on a very regular basis and we slowly got faster and faster. By the time I was 18 I ran 5K under 18 minutes without breaking a sweat- that is not super competitive but still pretty quick. When I tried to go to the next level I started structured training and knocked another 2 min off my 5K time but I then hated running and eventually quit. I think back and wonder if I just kept running for fun how much better I might have gotten.
I treat weight training like that- I lift for the pump and enjoy it.
Its also the easiest of all sports
99% of bodybuiolders dont even break sweat in the gym unless its mid summer
Most bodybuilers wouldnt last two minutes playing another sport while all other sports people could piss through a BB workout
I remember when I played rugby at 20, twice a week we used to run 2 miles to the training ground from where we got changed.
We did sprint training multiple circuits running around carrying each other then a 30 minute tick and pass game then ran the 2 miles back, and it was uphill back.
I also weight trained three days a week and played a game on Saturday
Fucks sake 3 sets 10 reps on three excercises GTFO
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Thanks. So you eat a good and believable amount of protein. Docs and nutritionists would class that as "high" protein. So the 50-80 grams is woefully inadequate in most cases. 80 grams is just the RDA for a 100kg person and it's not going to work well for a bb, unless they compete at 135lbs. If you were ever trying to gain a lot more, with a lot of anabolics and GH, you would be at the approx. 300 gram "very high" camp as well. Like every other "big" bb. Those pushing to the max with anabolics are generally in the 350 gram or even 400 gram range especially precontest, if they weigh more than maybe 215 on stage.
Just my interpretation :)
I knew a guy who ate almost no protein , he was vegan and ate one big meal a day of steamed veg
He used to swim (open water) cycle and run as well as weight train, he even completed a triathlon
He was only around 160lb at 5'9
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How do you make a hormone?
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How do you make a hormone?
stick it up her ass...
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I'll tell you one thing, I think Brad is a total joke and not just because he never ever went to failure and is a big pussy, but also because his research is just shit. He claims he puts people on programs where they squat to failure for 10 or even 35 sets (I may be exaggerating but not by much) with a minutes rest between sets in "his lab." Just impossible stuff.
What?! That's crazy!
Even if you are exaggerating a bit, you're easily one of the most reliable people here, so I doubt you're far off the mark.
Has this Brad fellow ever filmed one of these epic sessions?
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How do you make a hormone?
stick it up her ass...
Bio-identical?
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How do you make a hormone?
Bio-identical?
What do you call a whore with a runny nose?
FULL ;D
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People gorging on 6k cals a day are not gaining any extra muscle than someone eating 3k
They are just getting fatter.
Not necessarily. All of those guys bulked up in their formative years.
Franco, Arnold and Zane all gained weight going into a contest. Yes I know they are steroid guys. The bulk and then diet down system of the early 60's is nuts. Gain lean muscle.
Look at some of Schwarzenegger's early pics. Even Vince Gironda called him a "fat f--k". He was smooth but was winning contests. You may recall there was a time where bodybuilders got marked down (i.e. Gironda himself) for being too ripped, as it was deemed unhealthy.
If you're skinny, trying to gain just lean muscle is an exercise in futility. Going from a 160-lb twig to a 165-lb twig in a year is going to make you want to take up badminton.
These guys ate lots of beef and mixed their protein drinks with heavy cream. Larry Scott, the first Mr. Olympia, swore by it.
I grew up (bodybuilding-wise) in the late 80s and 90s, when John Parillo first started his (up to) 10,000-calorie-per-day diet. He predicted that bodybuilders would one day be competing at or over three bills. People thought he was nuts. But, soon we had 316-lb Lou Ferrigno at the 1993 Olympia. Gunter Schlierkamp (though not super-ripped) competed at 300. He actually placed better when he weighed less.
Steroids or no steroids, few (if any) get super-big without putting away the groceries. There are a handful of anomalies to this, just as there are those dudes who get ripped with no cardio (Dexter Jackson in younger days).
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brad says 3-4 meals per day is enough here in this vid
nubret ate only 1 or 2 meals a day supposedly
he also says 2-3 reps in reserve is just as good as going to failure, but i call bs on that
Interestingly enough, while Dorian Yates was known for going to failure (and beyond via negatives and forced reps), Ronnie Coleman almost never went to failure intentionally. He claimed on that 800-lb squat he did for two reps that he stopped himself there but could have banged out two more.
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What?! That's crazy!
Even if you are exaggerating a bit, you're easily one of the most reliable people here, so I doubt you're far off the mark.
Has this Brad fellow ever filmed one of these epic sessions?
No I'm not aware of any filmed sessions but maybe they are out there. Anyone who trains seriously knows if you do one set to failure on squats or similar and then go another within a minute you are going to fall flat on your face. Ok, say 2-3 sets, but 10 or more of them? Lyle has been blasting Brad about it for years. Lyle is fucked up in ways but he's basically always right in what he says.
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https://www.instagram.com/p/C2sh9xrpgyv/?igsh=MWFiY3U3bTl1eWI3Mw==
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No one really acknowledges Lyle, they call him sick, but the real reason is he would tear them apart.
All these studies are worth shit when anyone can glance at them and see the routines are IMPOSSIBLE ;D
I wish I could find a certain clip of Brad training to "failure," what a dweeb.
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Franco, Arnold and Zane all gained weight going into a contest. Yes I know they are steroid guys. The bulk and then diet down system of the early 60's is nuts. Gain lean muscle.
Even more true for naturals. Natties who bulk up just get fat and just shrink down to a smaller fat person when they cut.
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Good, expensive, foods(meat, eggs, raw cream) and hefty volume(without failure) seems to work "best". There's also a delicious overlap with the right amount of intensity required which can only be gauged by doing an exercise and setting adequate base points.
Never took "drugs" as it would be a waste on my meager physique.
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Good, expensive, foods(meat, eggs, raw cream) and hefty volume(without failure) seems to work "best". There's also a delicious overlap with the right amount of intensity required which can only be gauged by doing an exercise and setting adequate base points.
Never took "drugs" as it would be a waste on my meager physique.
how much did you gain? Stats?
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Good, expensive, foods(meat, eggs, raw cream) and hefty volume(without failure) seems to work "best". There's also a delicious overlap with the right amount of intensity required which can only be gauged by doing an exercise and setting adequate base points.
Never took "drugs" as it would be a waste on my meager physique.
I would say if someone doesn't ever train to failure they aren't really training almost. While not hitting failure on say squats when you are an experienced lifter can be very prudent, if someone doesn't hit failure on say cable tricep extensions or bicep curls, they aren't really training hard enough. Because you have to do work in that failure zone a lot, first as newbie to learn effort and where the failure point lies, and then as advanced to get enough stimulus. I would bet you hit failure too on these small exercises, no?
I always say that many peoole say they hit failure every working set on quads but here almost no one actually does, because on the angled leg press how often do we actually see someone actually fail and have to hit the bottom stoppers and squeezy out of the machine? Lol. Almost never, most don't even use a spotter so even hard trainers are mostly 1-2-3 reps from failure when they abort. Anyone here disagree? And like I said, if those study subjects of Schoenfeld actually hit failure they are not doing more than 2 sets, let alone 10 sets of squats or 45 sets a week for legs, or whatever is claimed.
Drugs are often the most dramatic for guys with meager physiques, not that I recommend starting to anyone, never have, because it almost always ends up being for life as you mostly "can't" train without them once you start.
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I would say if someone doesn't ever train to failure they aren't really training almost. While not hitting failure on say squats when you are an experienced lifter can be very prudent, if someone doesn't hit failure on say cable tricep extensions or bicep curls, they aren't really training hard enough. Because you have to do work in that failure zone a lot, first as newbie to learn effort and where the failure point lies, and then as advanced to get enough stimulus. I would bet you hit failure too on these small exercises, no?
I always say that many peoole say they hit failure every working set on quads but here almost no one actually does, because on the angled leg press how often do we actually see someone actually fail and have to hit the bottom stoppers and squeezy out of the machine? Lol. Almost never, most don't even use a spotter so even hard trainers are mostly 1-2-3 reps from failure when they abort. Anyone here disagree? And like I said, if those study subjects of Schoenfeld actually hit failure they are not doing more than 2 sets, let alone 10 sets of squats or 45 sets a week for legs, or whatever is claimed.
Drugs are often the most dramatic for guys with meager physiques, not that I recommend starting to anyone, never have, because it almost always ends up being for life as you mostly "can't" train without them once you start.
I am going to disagree and let me explain why. I do a warmup set to "failure" at the beginning of every workout. Pretty much just a lactic acid burn for example I managed 39 reps on leg extensions as my warmup set yesterday. I then banged out heavier sets of around 15-20 reps. Was I hitting absolute failure no I could have gotten another rep or 2 if I had wanted. However I do feel a couple heavy working sets is better than one light set to failure.
I mean just think about it what is better one light set to absolute failure or 5 heavy sets close to failure? The idea is to get a pump and blood and nutrients into the muscle not just to hit failure. If you hit complete failure warming up you don't have neough to hit working sets hard. Those hard working sets are better than just one set to failure.
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You guys also need to remember carbs and fats are protein sparring. Too many guys eat a ton of protein and not enough carbs and fats well guess what you just wasted all that protein as it will be used inefficiently for energy instead of muscle growth.
And 200 calories extra a day lol your body doesn't pump out the exact same amount of hormones everyday. You don't have the exact amount of activity everyday. It is ok to eat more calories on days you have more hunger. Listen to your body if it is telling you to eat more there is a reason. If it is telling you to sleep more there is a reason. If it is telling you to rest more there is a reason. Look at children they don't grow in a linear fashion the exact same amount everyday they go through growth spurts. The body will stay at the same weight forever then put 10lbs on in a week. When your body wants to grow feed it.
None of the studies are accurate they all involve people that are not you. People have trained more or less than you and have different metabolisms and current muscle mass and age than you.
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You guys also need to remember carbs and fats are protein sparring. Too many guys eat a ton of protein and not enough carbs and fats well guess what you just wasted all that protein as it will be used inefficiently for energy instead of muscle growth.
And 200 calories extra a day lol your body doesn't pump out the exact same amount of hormones everyday. You don't have the exact amount of activity everyday. It is ok to eat more calories on days you have more hunger. Listen to your body if it is telling you to eat more there is a reason. Look at children they don't grow in a linear fashion the exact same amount everyday they go through growth spurts. The body will stay at the same weight forever then put 10lbs on in a week. When your body wants to grow feed it.
......and you eat like a 15 year old kid..........190 or 238 it mattered not.....did jackshit for your physique.
198 or 238.........at either weight,you look like hammered dogshit !
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......and you eat like a 15 year old kid..........190 or 238 it mattered not.....did jackshit for your physique.
198 or 238.........at either weight,you look like hammered dogshit !
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154lbs you competed at 154lbs sit down
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I am going to disagree and let me explain why. I do a warmup set to "failure" at the beginning of every workout. Pretty much just a lactic acid burn for example I managed 39 reps on leg extensions as my warmup set yesterday. I then banged out heavier sets of around 15-20 reps. Was I hitting absolute failure no I could have gotten another rep or 2 if I had wanted. However I do feel a couple heavy working sets is better than one light set to failure.
I mean just think about it what is better one light set to absolute failure or 5 heavy sets close to failure? The idea is to get a pump and blood and nutrients into the muscle not just to hit failure. If you hit complete failure warming up you don't have neough to hit working sets hard. Those hard working sets are better than just one set to failure.
3 "working" sets of leg extensions!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111111111
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154lbs you competed at 154lbs sit down
......and you placed last in every show you entered until you beat Ding and Dong The Bell brothers! LOL ;D
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how much did you gain? Stats?
I gained around 12lbs over the years(starting at 163lbs) - so I can approve of the saying that if there's not substantial change in the beginning then it will, most likely, never occur. I'm 5'8" and I'm somewhat robust but still a total manlet. Many years ago, when I was enlisted as a "medic in training" I came across young farmers(called "Gscheate" in Austria) and they were built like brick walls ... minimum 6 feet, thick muscle and tiger paws for hands. Some of them weighed 100 kilos with abs.
I felt like a mammal among Dinosaurs :'(
@Van_Bilderass
Failure did not do much for me as it just stressed me out. What seems to have worked is have a set tonnage and work it via different "rep times set" schemes culminating in more tonnage. Of course the exercises have to be rotated. Despite my sporty physique quite a few men and women have trusted me in regards to training and what I could verify in all of them is that high volume increased each trainees look & mass.
Steroids are beyond awesome tools but I'm not as much into getting as big as possible(which would still be small) as I used to be. I have started calisthenics and I like it way more than bodybuilding. Like in any endeavor if you ain't made for it, it's a nonsensical game.
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I gained around 12lbs over the years(starting at 163lbs) - so I can approve of the saying that if there's not substantial change in the beginning then it will, most likely, never occur. I'm 5'8" and I'm somewhat robust but still a total manlet. Many years ago, when I was enlisted as a "medic in training" I came across young farmers(called "Gscheate" in Austria) and they were built like brick walls ... minimum 6 feet, thick muscle and tiger paws for hands. Some of them weighed 100 kilos with abs.
I felt like a mammal among Dinosaurs :'(
@Van_Bilderass
Failure did not do much for me as it just stressed me out. What seems to have worked is have a set tonnage and work it via different "rep times set" schemes culminating in more tonnage. Of course the exercises have to be rotated. Despite my sporty physique quite a few men and women have trusted me in regards to training and what I could verify in all of them is that high volume increased each trainees look & mass.
Steroids are beyond awesome tools but I'm not as much into getting as big as possible(which would still be small) as I used to be. I have started calisthenics and I like it way more than bodybuilding. Like in any endeavor if you ain't made for it, it's a nonsensical game.
Weight and measurements don't mean much
I have be able to look completely different at a buck 60
Weight was the exact same but I looked much different
Yes at the same bodyweight
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I am going to disagree and let me explain why. I do a warmup set to "failure" at the beginning of every workout. Pretty much just a lactic acid burn for example I managed 39 reps on leg extensions as my warmup set yesterday. I then banged out heavier sets of around 15-20 reps. Was I hitting absolute failure no I could have gotten another rep or 2 if I had wanted. However I do feel a couple heavy working sets is better than one light set to failure.
I mean just think about it what is better one light set to absolute failure or 5 heavy sets close to failure? The idea is to get a pump and blood and nutrients into the muscle not just to hit failure. If you hit complete failure warming up you don't have neough to hit working sets hard. Those hard working sets are better than just one set to failure.
your effort doesnt translate into gains...
Leave the training threads to people who know what they are talking about you squeaky kunt
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I am going to disagree and let me explain why. I do a warmup set to "failure" at the beginning of every workout. Pretty much just a lactic acid burn for example I managed 39 reps on leg extensions as my warmup set yesterday. I then banged out heavier sets of around 15-20 reps. Was I hitting absolute failure no I could have gotten another rep or 2 if I had wanted. However I do feel a couple heavy working sets is better than one light set to failure.
I mean just think about it what is better one light set to absolute failure or 5 heavy sets close to failure? The idea is to get a pump and blood and nutrients into the muscle not just to hit failure. If you hit complete failure warming up you don't have neough to hit working sets hard. Those hard working sets are better than just one set to failure.
WHO THE FUCK GOES TO COMPLETE FAILURE ON A WARMUP SET YOU FUCKING TARD ???
ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha :D
What a fucking know nothing imbecile. LOL ;D
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Squats supersetted with dumbell pullovers.....
Just kidding, no, there is nothing you can do.
Have to add the gallon of whole-milk per day to see the effect.
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Have to add the gallon of whole-milk per day to see the effect.
...and you must take 3 deep breaths between each of the twenty rep squats to stimulate your metabolism.
20 Rep Breathing Squats Of Peace
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WHO THE FUCK GOES TO COMPLETE FAILURE ON A WARMUP SET YOU FUCKING TARD ???
ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha :D
What a fucking know nothing imbecile. LOL ;D
Honestly some days I go to failure every set
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Honestly some days I go to failure every set
We know failure is something you are familiar with...
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Have to add the gallon of whole-milk per day to see the effect.
I used to work 12 hour shifts at a bakery, I used to drink a pint of whole milk every hour during my shift as well as 2 meals
I did it for a month and didnt gain a fucking pound
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Weight and measurements don't mean much
I have be able to look completely different at a buck 60
Weight was the exact same but I looked much different
Yes at the same bodyweight
You can look good but being a true brute, which hypertrophied muscle visually signals, is a total illusion.
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You can look good but being a true brute, which hypertrophied muscle visually signals, is a total illusion.
??? ??? ???
Well that bit of metaphysical speech went straight over my head 😀
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Honestly some days I go to failure every set
Well when you do a whopping 2 sets per bodypart that`s fucking grueling.....props to you!
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3 "working" sets of leg extensions!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111111111
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Warmed up with 39 reps before moving onto the "heavy work" of 15-20 :D
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Warmed up with 39 reps before moving onto the "heavy work" of 15-20 :D
maybe you should go to failure on your deadlift warm-ups :D
big paul and crew are going live now, give 'em a look see ;D
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??? ??? ???
Well that bit of metaphysical speech went straight over my head 😀
In short - "wannabe".
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maybe you should go to failure on your deadlift warm-ups :D
big paul and crew are going live now, give 'em a look see ;D
coach kolton said he's never went over 2 grams and all his clients are on 1.5 grams or less
15 also said you should be able to turn pro on 1.5 grams total or less if you have the genetics
a guy in the comments said he had his best off-season ever on primo and estrodial
interesting shit
hey van, what's your thoughts on the idea that 1.5 grams is the spot that shows if you got what it takes or not?
and what about that cycle of primo with estrodial?
they say that one of the reasons for the test base is to get enough estro into the mix, same with tren adding more size to cattle once estrodial is added in
here's the quote "Yea right now, I’m using nothing but Primo/Estradiol enanthate and I’ve just had one of the best off seasons I’ve ever had."
here's another interesting comment "Was my first time not using a 19-nor during a mass phase. Didn’t notice a difference. It’s all the dose. Almost."
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In short - "wannabe".
brutal
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I am going to disagree and let me explain why. I do a warmup set to "failure" at the beginning of every workout. Pretty much just a lactic acid burn for example I managed 39 reps on leg extensions as my warmup set yesterday. I then banged out heavier sets of around 15-20 reps. Was I hitting absolute failure no I could have gotten another rep or 2 if I had wanted. However I do feel a couple heavy working sets is better than one light set to failure.
I mean just think about it what is better one light set to absolute failure or 5 heavy sets close to failure? The idea is to get a pump and blood and nutrients into the muscle not just to hit failure. If you hit complete failure warming up you don't have neough to hit working sets hard. Those hard working sets are better than just one set to failure.
I'm not sure which part of my post you disagree with exactly. Leg extensions is one exercise where many do go to failure because it's safe to do so as well as not as taxing as presses/squats. Doing high rep warmups is something I have done as well if I have an achy or injured part, 50-100 reps. Yeah, doing such high reps on leg ext is probably not the best growth stimulus.
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interesting shit
hey van, what's your thoughts on the idea that 1.5 grams is the spot that shows if you got what it takes or not?
and what about that cycle of primo with estrodial?
I've said here many times that I think 1500mg gets you probably to like 90% of your steroid max, especially if tren is a substantial part of the mix. As well if GH and insulin are big drivers in your plan. One thing to remember is that many guys actually forget to count oral milligrams when talking total dose, especially precontest, it can add up, especially when coming into a show on 200 a day of orals
Primo and estradiol? I've seen cycles of Deca and estradiol too but the question is why you would do that over just having test in the mix, what's the benefit? I don't see it. But let them experiment.
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also, people vastly over estimate for how long they can continue to be gaining muscle, and how much muscle they stand to gain over their entire lifetime. realistically, it you havent built the muscle within your first 5 years of training, it's over for you
It’s the Learning Curve. Once you figure out how to train, there’s a period of rapid progress then you level off:
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I've said here many times that I think 1500mg gets you probably to like 90% of your steroid max, especially if tren is a substantial part of the mix. As well if GH and insulin are big drivers in your plan. One thing to remember is that many guys actually forget to count oral milligrams when talking total dose, especially precontest, it can add up, especially when coming into a show on 200 a day of orals
Primo and estradiol? I've seen cycles of Deca and estradiol too but the question is why you would do that over just having test in the mix, what's the benefit? I don't see it. But let them experiment.
yep it's strange to use estradiol instead of test to get the estro in there, shit makes no sense as test increases your total anabolic load whereas estradiol does not ???
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coach kolton said he's never went over 2 grams and all his clients are on 1.5 grams or less
15 also said you should be able to turn pro on 1.5 grams total or less if you have the genetics
a guy in the comments said he had his best off-season ever on primo and estrodial
interesting shit
hey van, what's your thoughts on the idea that 1.5 grams is the spot that shows if you got what it takes or not?
and what about that cycle of primo with estrodial?
they say that one of the reasons for the test base is to get enough estro into the mix, same with tren adding more size to cattle once estrodial is added in
here's the quote "Yea right now, I’m using nothing but Primo/Estradiol enanthate and I’ve just had one of the best off seasons I’ve ever had."
here's another interesting comment "Was my first time not using a 19-nor during a mass phase. Didn’t notice a difference. It’s all the dose. Almost."
You realize estradiol is estrogen how are you taking gear and thinking taking estradiol is a good idea do you want to guarantee gyno? Of course the cattle get bigger adding estrogen do you think it gives hard Quality gains or water and bitch tits?
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You realize estradiol is estrogen how are you taking gear and thinking taking estradiol is a good idea do you want to guarantee gyno? Of course the cattle get bigger adding estrogen do you think it gives hard Quality gains or water and bitch tits?
Do you know its not good for you if your estrogen gets too low?
No, of course you dont, maybe thats why you were a fat kunt at your show
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...and you must take 3 deep breaths between each of the twenty rep squats to stimulate your metabolism.
20 Rep Breathing Squats Of Peace
Always remember to Superset dumbell pullovers with heavy squats to expand the rib cage
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brad says 3-4 meals per day is enough here in this vid
nubret ate only 1 or 2 meals a day supposedly
he also says 2-3 reps in reserve is just as good as going to failure, but i call bs on that
Is Brad the scrawny old guy on the right? ???
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What do you call a whore with a runny nose?
FULL ;D
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You realize estradiol is estrogen how are you taking gear and thinking taking estradiol is a good idea do you want to guarantee gyno? Of course the cattle get bigger adding estrogen do you think it gives hard Quality gains or water and bitch tits?
Like joswift said they are taking it for health. And basically only when they are experimenting with a nonestrogenic anabolic like Primo ran solo. Some just run a baseline 200mg of test mostly for estrogen when they do this, but now, for some reason, some forego any test at all and instead do actual supplemental estrogen to compensate. Maybe an interesting thing to try just to see what happens.
Though estrogen has muscle anabolic effects in itself. In fact even in Duchaine's time they experimented with an estrogenic product called Zeranol (Ralgro)(banned in sport). https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeranol
People also think estrogens are uniquely associated with water retention, forgetting all anabolic/androgenic steroids can cause water retention even if there is no estrogenic component. If I'm not mistaken estrogens affect fat distribution more, interestingly if menopausal women are given estrogen they lose bodyfat, especially belly fat.
You need some estrogen for proper GH and IGF-1 function and many other growth associated pathways.
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Is Brad the scrawny old guy on the right? ???
Yea. At times I've seen where he's said he is growing a lot, which never happened in his life. There's NOTHING wrong with being a scrawny guy or having bad genetics per se, and you can still know what you're talking about (see Lyle McDonald). But this guy doing studies on failure training when he is unable to train to failure ever himself, well... he is part of a circle jerk in the the fitness community, which includes Layne Norton, who boost each others social media presence and overlook problems in their research methodologies. Lyle has declared war on this group lol. Like Brad was conducting studies on training volume as related to muscle fiber size and Brad was measuring the fibers himself, and when pointed out the problems with this said, "you can trust me." They would never accept such from any other researcher, but Brad is a "bro."
No one EVER said Lyle doesn't know what he's talking about, he has a towering presence in the "evidence based" weight lifting community, he's the OG above all. They get away with ignoring him saying he's crazy (he's admitted bipolar). I love the guy, even if at times I would've wanted to strangle his scrawny neck, if it weren't for guys like this there would be no one at all to keep anyone honest and accountable.
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Wait so the gakic nitrotech and celltech stack isnt whats getting guys onto the olympia stage?...fawk
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I'm not sure which part of my post you disagree with exactly. Leg extensions is one exercise where many do go to failure because it's safe to do so as well as not as taxing as presses/squats. Doing high rep warmups is something I have done as well if I have an achy or injured part, 50-100 reps. Yeah, doing such high reps on leg ext is probably not the best growth stimulus.
I am making an extreme example to make a point several sets near failure are going to create a better anabolic response than one set to failure
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Do you know its not good for you if your estrogen gets too low?
No, of course you dont, maybe thats why you were a fat kunt at your show
If you are taking aromatizing compounds your estrogen is not going to get too low. Yes I am well aware estrogen and water retention is anabolic you are the one who has been denying that. When we talk about getting too low we are talking about dudes taking tons of anti-estrogens not guys not supplementing with additional estrogen. There is nothing written on these subjects I have not read.
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Like joswift said they are taking it for health. And basically only when they are experimenting with a nonestrogenic anabolic like Primo ran solo. Some just run a baseline 200mg of test mostly for estrogen when they do this, but now, for some reason, some forego any test at all and instead do actual supplemental estrogen to compensate. Maybe an interesting thing to try just to see what happens.
Though estrogen has muscle anabolic effects in itself. In fact even in Duchaine's time they experimented with an estrogenic product called Zeranol (Ralgro)(banned in sport). https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeranol
People also think estrogens are uniquely associated with water retention, forgetting all anabolic/androgenic steroids can cause water retention even if there is no estrogenic component. If I'm not mistaken estrogens affect fat distribution more, interestingly if menopausal women are given estrogen they lose bodyfat, especially belly fat.
You need some estrogen for proper GH and IGF-1 function and many other growth associated pathways.
I used to do the pellet conversions myself 20 years ago well aware of Ralgro. The thing is they add estrogen to the implants to make cattle bigger and so people won't take them. There is a ton of estrogen in those implants guys who take them with the estrogen are going to have problems. Even guys that were trying to separate out the estrogen were still getting too much.
Will you blow up increasing your estrogen? Absolutely that is why I don't take anti estrogens on a regular basis the coccoon is real. However, you are getting plenty of that just not taking anti estrogens you don't need to add additional estrogen just don't take Anti estrogens
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Like joswift said they are taking it for health. And basically only when they are experimenting with a nonestrogenic anabolic like Primo ran solo. Some just run a baseline 200mg of test mostly for estrogen when they do this, but now, for some reason, some forego any test at all and instead do actual supplemental estrogen to compensate. Maybe an interesting thing to try just to see what happens.
Though estrogen has muscle anabolic effects in itself. In fact even in Duchaine's time they experimented with an estrogenic product called Zeranol (Ralgro)(banned in sport). https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeranol
People also think estrogens are uniquely associated with water retention, forgetting all anabolic/androgenic steroids can cause water retention even if there is no estrogenic component. If I'm not mistaken estrogens affect fat distribution more, interestingly if menopausal women are given estrogen they lose bodyfat, especially belly fat.
You need some estrogen for proper GH and IGF-1 function and many other growth associated pathways.
doc todd lee keeps his estro at 80 for ideal gh function he says
mast, primo and eq can all lower estro moreso for some than others it all depends upon your own indiviual body chem
big paul showed his look onstage with a video clip in that vid and i was shocked how he looked
he just looked ok nothing too great and he takes tons of shit and measures out his food intake down to the last microgram ???
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I started doing serious research in 1995 like birth of the internet times. I had really bad knees I already had torn both ACL I wanted to wrestle and needed stability. I used to go to the NCSTATE Computer lab and pull everything I could find. By 1998 I was using various compounds and research products to heal my bilateral knee repairs. I had also read Dan Duchaine and who is that other dude founded one of the early successful nutrition companies? He wrote on of the other big books on the subject matter. There was not this kind of detail online yet. By 1999 I was working in the library reading primary sources and looking for new studies online. As far as the internet everything from basskiller to whatever it was all just copy and pasted from the first couple books on the subject everyone just keeps regurgitating the same thing. I also have known some actual freaks and what they do or did. But regardless there isnt something written on this I have not read. I read all day everyday.
I read at least a dozen scientific articles and or journal primary sources a day on a variety of topics. But I still follow this one and it also kind of progressed into a lot of anti aging and longevity type research. But when you guys think I don't know about estrogen or ralgro it's like for fuck sake I was using syringe filters and acetone 25 years ago.
The entire reason I got back into this is my son was born and I was on a cane. I have used my knowledge and training and gotten what I wanted out of this. I can snowboard with him now. I can mountain bike. I can run. I have fully recovered. I even went past that and won a fucking NPC show. Oh yeah and the diet you guys said sucked has improved my stomach I have had no digestive issues since making changes 9 days prior to the show. I feel so great I am considering a wrestling meet.
It is not about getting big it is about getting back your tendon, ligament, and joint stability strength. After that it gets counter productive to beat the body up too much. So you guys tell me I did it all wrong. I took too many things. I didn't suffer enough with my diet. I didn't do enough sets or reps. I don't know anything. My win doesn't count.
Bullshit I turned back the fucking clock
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I started doing serious research in 1995 like birth of the internet times. I had really bad knees I already had torn both ACL I wanted to wrestle and needed stability. I used to go to the NCSTATE Computer lab and pull everything I could find. By 1998 I was using various compounds and research products to heal my bilateral knee repairs. I had also read Dan Duchaine and who is that other dude founded one of the early successful nutrition companies? He wrote on of the other big books on the subject matter. There was not this kind of detail online yet. By 1999 I was working in the library reading primary sources and looking for new studies online. As far as the internet everything from basskiller to whatever it was all just copy and pasted from the first couple books on the subject everyone just keeps regurgitating the same thing. I also have known some actual freaks and what they do or did. But regardless there isnt something written on this I have not read. I read all day everyday.
I read at least a dozen scientific articles and or journal primary sources a day on a variety of topics. But I still follow this one and it also kind of progressed into a lot of anti aging and longevity type research. But when you guys think I don't know about estrogen or ralgro it's like for fuck sake I was using syringe filters and acetone 25 years ago.
The entire reason I got back into this is my son was born and I was on a cane. I have used my knowledge and training and gotten what I wanted out of this. I can snowboard with him now. I can mountain bike. I can run. I have fully recovered. I even went past that and won a fucking NPC show. Oh yeah and the diet you guys said sucked has improved my stomach I have had no digestive issues since making changes 9 days prior to the show. I feel so great I am considering a wrestling meet.
It is not about getting big it is about getting back your tendon, ligament, and joint stability strength. After that it gets counter productive to beat the body up too much. So you guys tell me I did it all wrong. I took too many things. I didn't suffer enough with my diet. I didn't do enough sets or reps. I don't know anything. My win doesn't count.
Bullshit I turned back the fucking clock
You're so full of shit (i.e., yourself) that we should just call you "buffet bhanky". Keep moving or the flies will cover you. You are their feastival.
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Yea. At times I've seen where he's said he is growing a lot, which never happened in his life. There's NOTHING wrong with being a scrawny guy or having bad genetics per se, and you can still know what you're talking about (see Lyle McDonald). But this guy doing studies on failure training when he is unable to train to failure ever himself, well... he is part of a circle jerk in the the fitness community, which includes Layne Norton, who boost each others social media presence and overlook problems in their research methodologies. Lyle has declared war on this group lol. Like Brad was conducting studies on training volume as related to muscle fiber size and Brad was measuring the fibers himself, and when pointed out the problems with this said, "you can trust me." They would never accept such from any other researcher, but Brad is a "bro."
No one EVER said Lyle doesn't know what he's talking about, he has a towering presence in the "evidence based" weight lifting community, he's the OG above all. They get away with ignoring him saying he's crazy (he's admitted bipolar). I love the guy, even if at times I would've wanted to strangle his scrawny neck, if it weren't for guys like this there would be no one at all to keep anyone honest and accountable.
here's big bad brad training to failure with meadows @ 13:30
LOOK DA FUCK OUT!!!
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Yea. At times I've seen where he's said he is growing a lot, which never happened in his life. There's NOTHING wrong with being a scrawny guy or having bad genetics per se, and you can still know what you're talking about (see Lyle McDonald). But this guy doing studies on failure training when he is unable to train to failure ever himself, well... he is part of a circle jerk in the the fitness community, which includes Layne Norton, who boost each others social media presence and overlook problems in their research methodologies. Lyle has declared war on this group lol. Like Brad was conducting studies on training volume as related to muscle fiber size and Brad was measuring the fibers himself, and when pointed out the problems with this said, "you can trust me." They would never accept such from any other researcher, but Brad is a "bro."
No one EVER said Lyle doesn't know what he's talking about, he has a towering presence in the "evidence based" weight lifting community, he's the OG above all. They get away with ignoring him saying he's crazy (he's admitted bipolar). I love the guy, even if at times I would've wanted to strangle his scrawny neck, if it weren't for guys like this there would be no one at all to keep anyone honest and accountable.
I think Lyle has started TRT. His arms have gotten noticeably bigger the last few years out of the blue. Unusual for a guy in his fifties.
I have four or five of his books, the only time I managed to get down to around 7% percent body fat natural it was with his stubborn fat loss solution (I looked like shit).
Always wanted to try UD2.0, but very difficult to do with an active social life.
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I started doing serious research in 1995 like birth of the internet times. I had really bad knees I already had torn both ACL I wanted to wrestle and needed stability. I used to go to the NCSTATE Computer lab and pull everything I could find. By 1998 I was using various compounds and research products to heal my bilateral knee repairs. I had also read Dan Duchaine and who is that other dude founded one of the early successful nutrition companies? He wrote on of the other big books on the subject matter. There was not this kind of detail online yet. By 1999 I was working in the library reading primary sources and looking for new studies online. As far as the internet everything from basskiller to whatever it was all just copy and pasted from the first couple books on the subject everyone just keeps regurgitating the same thing. I also have known some actual freaks and what they do or did. But regardless there isnt something written on this I have not read. I read all day everyday.
I read at least a dozen scientific articles and or journal primary sources a day on a variety of topics. But I still follow this one and it also kind of progressed into a lot of anti aging and longevity type research. But when you guys think I don't know about estrogen or ralgro it's like for fuck sake I was using syringe filters and acetone 25 years ago.
The entire reason I got back into this is my son was born and I was on a cane. I have used my knowledge and training and gotten what I wanted out of this. I can snowboard with him now. I can mountain bike. I can run. I have fully recovered. I even went past that and won a fucking NPC show. Oh yeah and the diet you guys said sucked has improved my stomach I have had no digestive issues since making changes 9 days prior to the show. I feel so great I am considering a wrestling meet.
It is not about getting big it is about getting back your tendon, ligament, and joint stability strength. After that it gets counter productive to beat the body up too much. So you guys tell me I did it all wrong. I took too many things. I didn't suffer enough with my diet. I didn't do enough sets or reps. I don't know anything. My win doesn't count.
Bullshit I turned back the fucking clock
all this positivily health wise and not an hour ago he admitted to hacking up phlegm.
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But when you guys think I don't know about estrogen or ralgro it's like for fuck sake I was using syringe filters and acetone 25 years ago.
How would I know what you do and don't know if you don't say it. My posts get so long trying to preempt posters pointing out this or that that I missed. When you started posting here I actually said you likely had a long history with PEDs because I picked up on some things. I also said you look like a guy who likes his weed, I also mentioned speed, but let's not argue whether you do or not or ever did, I don't know. Regarding the estro, no one really takes it in addition to normal cycles with aromatizing compounds, what dj mentioned were guys who only ran something like Primo who "needed" some estro. You may be talking of Zumpano, the other guy besides Duchaine, or maybe it was someone else?
I am making an extreme example to make a point several sets near failure are going to create a better anabolic response than one set to failure
Ok. Myself I believe you need very little volume for maximal growth and pushing to failure is beneficial. Whether "little" is 1,2 or 3 sets, it's going to be very limited.
I was looking up failure training and Schoenfeld earlier and saw this good quote by John Meadows
"I never ever would have made it to where I did in bodybuilding, becoming a pro and placing in several pro shows, if I had the never go to failure, never push yourself too hard belief that is being pushed right now in our space. I am 100% ok with this line for novices and intermediates, but not people who i would consider to be beyond those stages. If you think this mentality will enable you to reach your ultimate level of potential, you will be disappointedin the end. Focus on recovery, and use high intensity/failure and beyond failure training wisely for sure, but there is a place for it. There are many "scientists" like @fortitude_training, @coach_kassem and @biolayne that I know that also believe in going really hard as well as simpleton meatheads like me. You just don't know what you are capable of until you really give it everything. There is also an an emotional and psychological benefit to knowing you did something you didn't even know you were capable of. Keep cranking."
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here's big bad brad training to failure with meadows @ 13:30
LOOK DA FUCK OUT!!!
MFer, you found it. That's the exact clip I mentioned earlier that I couldn't find lol. And think, he's on camera trying to illustrate failure. What about when he's off camera lol.
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I've been doing three sets lately but took last week off and did zero sets and got much huger.
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who is that other dude founded one of the early successful nutrition companies? He wrote on of the other big books on the subject matter.
I'm guessing EAS / Bill Phillips / WAR.
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God bless Lyle's autism. I never counted them, but it's 30+ videos on Israeltel/Brad/Norton and failure -
https://www.youtube.com/@lylemcdonaldisright/videos (https://www.youtube.com/@lylemcdonaldisright/videos).
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all this positivily health wise and not an hour ago he admitted to hacking up phlegm.
I have a cold
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I have a cold
soft bastard
Why even mention something so fucking insignificant
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I'm guessing EAS / Bill Phillips / WAR.
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God bless Lyle's autism. I never counted them, but it's 30+ videos on Israeltel/Brad/Norton and failure -
https://www.youtube.com/@lylemcdonaldisright/videos (https://www.youtube.com/@lylemcdonaldisright/videos).
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Yeah Bill Phillips eas he wrote a handbook and a couple revisions
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I'm guessing EAS / Bill Phillips / WAR.
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God bless Lyle's autism. I never counted them, but it's 30+ videos on Israeltel/Brad/Norton and failure -
https://www.youtube.com/@lylemcdonaldisright/videos (https://www.youtube.com/@lylemcdonaldisright/videos).
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Ah yes of course. But there was another guy who also was a drug dealer/drug wiz and who was involved with supplements, maybe whey protein too? Maybe it was someone called Feliciano? I was thinking of the Metabolol maker Zumpano. Now I think it was Feliciano who was another steroid guru. You know all these names I'm sure ;)
Phillips wasn't that much of a guru imo, he was a dealer and salesman with the supps. I actually ordered his steroid book at like 15-16 years old lol.
Goddamn that Israetel is so smug and irritating lol. Maybe the name makes me associate him with trickery too lol. Lyle might be middle eastern too, I forget which country, maybe that is part of the antagonism between those two.
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The other big thing with estrogen is the environment we are already getting a lot of estrogenic contamination in our water supply
We are already getting too much
"Estrogenic pollutants pose significant challenges in water resources due to their endocrine-disrupting activities and potential hazards to the environment, ecology, and human health—even at low concentrations. Let’s delve into the reasons behind their impact:
Endocrine Disruption: Estrogenic pollutants interfere with the endocrine system, affecting hormone balance in both aquatic organisms and humans. These compounds mimic or block natural hormones, leading to adverse effects on growth, reproduction, and development.
Bioaccumulation: Steroidal estrogens, such as estrone and 17β-estradiol, persist in water bodies. They accumulate in aquatic organisms over time and can eventually reach humans through the food chain. This bioaccumulation poses risks to both wildlife and human consumers.
Synthetic Estrogens: Synthetic estrogens, including 17α-ethinylestradiol (found in oral contraceptives), exhibit higher estrogenic activity than natural hormones. These compounds are commonly detected in water resources and contribute to the overall estrogenic burden.
Industrial and Agricultural Sources: Estrogenic pollutants originate from various sources:
Livestock: Hormone-treated livestock (e.g., dairy cows) release natural and synthetic estrogens into water.
Industry: Chemicals like polychlorinated biphenyls (PCBs), pesticides, and phthalates also exhibit estrogenic activity.
Wastewater: Treated and untreated sewage discharges contain estrogenic compounds.
Environmental Impact: Estrogenic pollutants disrupt aquatic ecosystems, affecting fish populations, reproductive success, and overall biodiversity. They can lead to feminization of male fish and altered behavior.
Human Health Concerns: Even at low concentrations, exposure to estrogenic pollutants may impact human health. These compounds have been linked to reproductive disorders, cancers, and developmental abnormalities.
Treatment Challenges: Removing estrogenic pollutants from water resources is challenging. Existing methods (adsorption, oxidation, etc.) have limitations, such as high costs and toxic sludge generation. Enzyme-based bioremediation shows promise but requires further research.
In summary, addressing estrogenic pollutants is crucial for safeguarding water quality, ecosystems, and human well-being. Researchers and policymakers continue to explore effective strategies to mitigate their impact 123."
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https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0016648018305458
https://time.com/3852305/hormone-sex-fish-rivers/
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Contamination
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Ah yes of course. But there was another guy who also was a drug dealer/drug wiz and who was involved with supplements, maybe whey protein too? Maybe it was someone called Feliciano? I was thinking of the Metabolol maker Zumpano. Now I think it was Feliciano who was another steroid guru. You know all these names I'm sure ;)
Phillips wasn't that much of a guru imo, he was a dealer and salesman with the supps. I actually ordered his steroid book at like 15-16 years old lol.
Goddamn that Israetel is so smug and irritating lol. Maybe the name makes me associate him with trickery too lol. Lyle might be middle eastern too, I forget which country, maybe that is part of the antagonism between those two.
Yes, Jeff Feliciano, he was Weider's guy in Flex -
https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1986-01-18-me-902-story.html .
Mike Zumpano was considered a guru, but he quieted down when Champion Nutrition was starting up. You had to jump through some hoops to get him to talk about them for a while.
David Jenkins owned Designer Protein, he was another quiet one on the guru/steroid circuit - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Jenkins_(sprinter) .
Etc.....
95%+ of the bb supplement business is like a spider's web of ex steroid dealers.
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BB
I knew you'd have the deets lol.
Yes Jenkins too, that was the whey protein connection I made.
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I have a cold
Tell anyone you wrassle to beware.
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I started doing serious research in 1995 like birth of the internet times. I had really bad knees I already had torn both ACL I wanted to wrestle and needed stability. I used to go to the NCSTATE Computer lab and pull everything I could find. By 1998 I was using various compounds and research products to heal my bilateral knee repairs. I had also read Dan Duchaine and who is that other dude founded one of the early successful nutrition companies? He wrote on of the other big books on the subject matter. There was not this kind of detail online yet. By 1999 I was working in the library reading primary sources and looking for new studies online. As far as the internet everything from basskiller to whatever it was all just copy and pasted from the first couple books on the subject everyone just keeps regurgitating the same thing. I also have known some actual freaks and what they do or did. But regardless there isnt something written on this I have not read. I read all day everyday.
I read at least a dozen scientific articles and or journal primary sources a day on a variety of topics. But I still follow this one and it also kind of progressed into a lot of anti aging and longevity type research. But when you guys think I don't know about estrogen or ralgro it's like for fuck sake I was using syringe filters and acetone 25 years ago.
The entire reason I got back into this is my son was born and I was on a cane. I have used my knowledge and training and gotten what I wanted out of this. I can snowboard with him now. I can mountain bike. I can run. I have fully recovered. I even went past that and won a fucking NPC show. Oh yeah and the diet you guys said sucked has improved my stomach I have had no digestive issues since making changes 9 days prior to the show. I feel so great I am considering a wrestling meet.
It is not about getting big it is about getting back your tendon, ligament, and joint stability strength. After that it gets counter productive to beat the body up too much. So you guys tell me I did it all wrong. I took too many things. I didn't suffer enough with my diet. I didn't do enough sets or reps. I don't know anything. My win doesn't count.
Bullshit I turned back the fucking clock
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The hilarity of this epic nonsensical word salad reigns supreme! LOL ;D
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Brian, you did it all wrong.....you took too many things....you didn't suffer enough with your diet.....you didn't do enough sets or reps......you don't know anything......hokey "class win" doesn't count.
PS- Basskiller has more knowledge in his thumbnail that you have in your gigantic melon.
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Brian, you did it all wrong.....you took too many things....you didn't suffer enough with your diet.....you didn't do enough sets or reps......you don't know anything......hokey "class win" doesn't count.
PS- Basskiller has more knowledge in his thumbnail that you have in your gigantic melon.
Basskiller was literally just one big copy and paste job from the original guides there was nothing new there. I read every word on basskiller before basskiller posted any of it.
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Basskiller was literally just one big copy and paste job from the original guides there was nothing new there. I read every word on basskiller before basskiller posted any of it.
youre a tard hankins
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Bill Phillips wrote the anabolic reference guide in 1991
Dan Duchaine wrote the Underground Steroid Handbook in 1983
Almost everything online is literally a copy and paste from those 2 books. I read both cover to cover several times in 1998. I was also doing some research online in 1995 there wasnt much at the time. I generally just read scientific studies now as there is nothing new every guru is just regurgitating the same crap. DJ can just buy those two books and read them and stop watching youtube videos from the gurus of the week. But yeah that was my base in 1998 I have read everything printed on the subject matter since the last 26 years. I have my own opinions and experiences with a lot of things now as well. I also have very different goals. So yeah I may give an opinion someone doesn't agree with that doesn't mean I haven't done my research or don't have exp.
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Bill Phillips wrote the anabolic reference guide in 1991
Dan Duchaine wrote the Underground Steroid Handbook in 1983
Almost everything online is literally a copy and paste from those 2 books. I read both cover to cover several times in 1998. I generally just read scientific studies now as there is nothing new every guru is just regurgitating the same crap. DJ can just buy those two books and read them and stop watching youtube videos from the gurus of the week. But yeah that was my base in 1998 I have read everything printed on the subject matter since the last 26 years. I have my own opinions and experiences with a lot of things now as well. I also have very different goals. So yeah I may give an opinion someone doesn't agree with that doesn't mean I haven't done my research or don't have exp.
Why would you need to read anything if you only take bio-identical prescribed medication?
Its like reading books on knitting if you dont knit.
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Why would you need to read anything if you only take bio-identical prescribed medication?
Its like reading books on knitting if you dont knit.
I don't have the energy to argue nonsense with you. I am merely providing some background information. I also do a lot of reading on astronomy and space exploration. I am not an astronaut. I did take astronomy classes in college.
I said day 1 when I arrived I was taking HRT only and that was true. I never volunteered any information about what I did in my 20s. My research takes me a lot of places my original interest was to help my knee injuries at the time there was a lot of news about interarticular HGH shots into the knee joint for NFL running backs. I was getting interarticular knee injections of hyaluronic acid from my orthopedic surgeon two decades before PRP became a thing.
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Bill Phillips wrote the anabolic reference guide in 1991
Dan Duchaine wrote the Underground Steroid Handbook in 1983
Almost everything online is literally a copy and paste from those 2 books. I read both cover to cover several times in 1998. I was also doing some research online in 1995 there wasnt much at the time. I generally just read scientific studies now as there is nothing new every guru is just regurgitating the same crap. DJ can just buy those two books and read them and stop watching youtube videos from the gurus of the week. But yeah that was my base in 1998 I have read everything printed on the subject matter since the last 26 years. I have my own opinions and experiences with a lot of things now as well. I also have very different goals. So yeah I may give an opinion someone doesn't agree with that doesn't mean I haven't done my research or don't have exp.
Dan Duchaine was also a recumbent bicycle enthusiast. What does that have to do with anything you typed here? Nothing. Kinda-sorta just like anything you type.
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Dan Duchaine was also a recumbent bicycle enthusiast. What does that have to do with anything you typed here? Nothing. Kinda-sorta just like anything you type.
Why are you here? You don't lift. You don't train. You are just an angry cripple who doesn't have the mental fortitude to rehab and fix yourself.
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Why are you here? You don't lift. You don't train. You are just an angry cripple who doesn't have the mental fortitude to rehab and fix yourself.
Every time your mom thinks of you she wishes she had stapled her vagina shut 9 months earlier.
You are a bio-identical piece of shit.
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I don't have the energy to argue nonsense with you. I am merely providing some background information. I also do a lot of reading on astronomy and space exploration. I am not an astronaut. I did take astronomy classes in college.
I said day 1 when I arrived I was taking HRT only and that was true. I never volunteered any information about what I did in my 20s. My research takes me a lot of places my original interest was to help my knee injuries at the time there was a lot of news about interarticular HGH shots into the knee joint for NFL running backs. I was getting interarticular knee injections of hyaluronic acid from my orthopedic surgeon two decades before PRP became a thing.
astronomy and the intricacies of steroid cycles are not the same thing you stupid bastard
No one would research steroids unless they were interested in taking them.
Almost all people who are interested in astronomy are not intending to travel into space.
Great, so what did you take for your show win?
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Great, so what did you take for your show win?
I am thinking, something/someone up his ass?
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Why do people think they need the exact same number of calories everyday? Do animals in the wild eat the same calories everyday did our ancestors? Or did they eat a lot after a hunt then slowly eat less for a few days then finally go hungry a day or two until the next kill?
Did they also take bioidentical hormones?
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Did they also take bioidentical hormones?
They didn't need to as there was no estrogenic environmental pollution lowering their testosterone levels.
https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20230327-how-pollution-is-causing-a-male-fertility-crisis
https://theconversation.com/male-fertility-is-declining-studies-show-that-environmental-toxins-could-be-a-reason-163795
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2022/05/09/fact-check-testosterone-levels-lower-25-1999-2016/7381735001/
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Its also the easiest of all sports
99% of bodybuiolders dont even break sweat in the gym unless its mid summer
Most bodybuilers wouldnt last two minutes playing another sport while all other sports people could piss through a BB workout
I remember when I played rugby at 20, twice a week we used to run 2 miles to the training ground from where we got changed.
We did sprint training multiple circuits running around carrying each other then a 30 minute tick and pass game then ran the 2 miles back, and it was uphill back.
I also weight trained three days a week and played a game on Saturday
Fucks sake 3 sets 10 reps on three excercises GTFO
Bingo...the old "cardio burns muscle" bullshit
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They didn't need to as there was no estrogenic environmental pollution lowering their testosterone levels.
https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20230327-how-pollution-is-causing-a-male-fertility-crisis
https://theconversation.com/male-fertility-is-declining-studies-show-that-environmental-toxins-could-be-a-reason-163795
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2022/05/09/fact-check-testosterone-levels-lower-25-1999-2016/7381735001/
Doesn't support your statement.
You started taking your drugs/hormones/etc in your early 20's. Lets not bullshit around and say that you did it because of some fertility issue.
Fertility also is not equated to muscle building.
Point is...you statement about "ancestors" is not relevant. Our "ancestors" didn't give a fuck about being as big and lean as possible. They never spouted off about titanium knees or "being in shape".
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I used to do the pellet conversions myself 20 years ago well aware of Ralgro. The thing is they add estrogen to the implants to make cattle bigger and so people won't take them. There is a ton of estrogen in those implants guys who take them with the estrogen are going to have problems. Even guys that were trying to separate out the estrogen were still getting too much.
Will you blow up increasing your estrogen? Absolutely that is why I don't take anti estrogens on a regular basis the coccoon is real. However, you are getting plenty of that just not taking anti estrogens you don't need to add additional estrogen just don't take Anti estrogens
Pellet conversions (smacks head)? Several decades of knowledge and gear use, DECADES, and GH(!) to look like this shit:
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Even more true for naturals. Natties who bulk up just get fat and just shrink down to a smaller fat person when they cut.
I did it ONE time. I was told to "bulk up". One day I weighed myself and I was a fat ass 230lbs. The prep for that show was the worst. Told myself never again. Always stayed relatively lean.
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Doesn't support your statement.
You started taking your drugs/hormones/etc in your early 20's. Lets not bullshit around and say that you did it because of some fertility issue.
Fertility also is not equated to muscle building.
Point is...you statement about "ancestors" is not relevant. Our "ancestors" didn't give a fuck about being as big and lean as possible. They never spouted off about titanium knees or "being in shape".
Not true, my original interest had nothing to do with muscle growth you guys still don't get it. My interest is in the anti-inflammatory properties for joint protection. If I could get no inflammation and no muscle growth I would gladly take it. HGH is not going to make my legs bigger. It will however put more fluid in the joints and reduce inflammation allowing me to train.
I consider my current interest to be more anti aging than anything else. Its not about getting big it is about being able to move and bend with strength and energy. I want to be able to pop off a jump snowboarding. I want to be able to ride a bike up a mountain. In order to do those things I need strong healthy knees. When training for strength and mobility you do get a little bigger but that is not the goal in it of itself.
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How many thousands of dollars worth of GH all for the master plan to regrow his hair. I know his health insurance ain't covering it
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For a guy that`s a walking encyclopedia of steroid knowledge he looks like hammered shit! ;D
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For a guy that`s a walking encyclopedia of steroid knowledge he looks like hammered shit! ;D
You talk about how you spent 5 years drinking. I spent 5 years of my life trying to do a double back looping backflip on a kiteboard in Maui. I spent a decade of my life trying to become the next Gordan Gekko. I have other interest outside bodybuilding and getting big.
That is one reason I actually like Classic I wish they had had that class when I was in my 20s. I am big enough for classic right now I don't need to bulk I don't need to gain any weight I don't need to take a bunch of weird stuff. I can just train get in the best shape possible then compete once a year. Instead of trying to get bigger I can focus on my weak areas and improve them.
When you say steroid you are missing the concept. I would consider myself someone who studies endocrinology my interest are in repair of ligaments, tendons, Cartlidge, inflammation and cellular metabolic function. It is more about anti aging when you guys say steroids and muscles you are missing the entire concept. The idea is to heal the body anabolic are a very small part of that. I am not currently taking any "steroids" nor have I in a long time.
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You talk about how you spent 5 years drinking. I spent 5 years of my life trying to do a double back looping backflip on a kiteboard in Maui. I spent a decade of my life trying to become the next Gordan Gekko. I have other interest outside bodybuilding and getting big.
That is one reason I actually like Classic I wish they had had that class when I was in my 20s. I am big enough for classic right now I don't need to bulk I don't need to gain any weight I don't need to take a bunch of weird stuff. I can just train get in the best shape possible then compete once a year. Instead of trying to get bigger I can focus on my weak areas and improve them.
When you say steroid you are missing the concept. I would consider myself someone who studies endocrinology my interest are in repair of ligaments, tendons, Cartlidge, inflammation and cellular metabolic function. It is more about anti aging when you guys say steroids and muscles you are missing the entire concept. The idea is to heal the body anabolic are a very small part of that. I am not currently taking any "steroids" nor have I in a long time.
2 more failures to add to your reperttoiure
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2 more failures to add to your reperttoiure
Oh I landed the double backlooping back flip had some great years in the market as well. I just have other interest right now.
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How many thousands of dollars worth of GH all for the master plan to regrow his hair. I know his health insurance ain't covering it
It is for anti aging purposes thicker hair is only one thing it does
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You talk about how you spent 5 years drinking. I spent 5 years of my life trying to do a double back looping backflip on a kiteboard in Maui. I spent a decade of my life trying to become the next Gordan Gekko. I have other interest outside bodybuilding and getting big.
That is one reason I actually like Classic I wish they had had that class when I was in my 20s. I am big enough for classic right now I don't need to bulk I don't need to gain any weight I don't need to take a bunch of weird stuff. I can just train get in the best shape possible then compete once a year. Instead of trying to get bigger I can focus on my weak areas and improve them.
When you say steroid you are missing the concept. I would consider myself someone who studies endocrinology my interest are in repair of ligaments, tendons, Cartlidge, inflammation and cellular metabolic function. It is more about anti aging when you guys say steroids and muscles you are missing the entire concept. The idea is to heal the body anabolic are a very small part of that. I am not currently taking any "steroids" nor have I in a long time.
I drank on and off for 33 years...........YOU FUCKING DRUG RELIANT KUNT!
^^^^That was my very last post to this twat. :D
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Oh I landed the double backlooping back flip had some great years in the market as well. I just have other interest right now.
No such thing, do you mean the double back roll?
PS, if you get enough wind you can do a hundred fucking somersaults
this daft twat could have done 20 backflips and 15 twists the time he was in the air
What a stupid fucking pastime.
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No such thing, do you mean the double back roll?
PS, if you get enough wind you can do a hundred fucking somersaults
this daft twat could have done 20 backflips and 15 twists the time he was in the air
What a stupid fucking pastime.
So now you are an expert on kitesurfing lol. The backloop references the kite the double back roll references the rider. The first loop jumps you as you roll into the backflip the second loop you are already in the air and it pulls you fast and hard as you continue rolling into the second backflip. No one lands it. It is nasty. I landed it. In fact I spent all day everyday trying that one trick again and again. Landed on my head several times. Broke a rib and some gear. The used to call me captain caveman because I would wipe out hard it is not an easy thing. But Yeah I landed it again and again took me a couple years to get it. Most pros wouldnt even try it hardly anyone does the double backloop and with a double roll you might see one guy hit it a year during a video shoot hanging at the kite surfing mecca in Maui. I didn't have a bunch of tricks I had one big trick
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So now you are an expert on kitesurfing lol. The backloop references the kite the double back roll references the rider. The first loop jumps you as you roll into the backflip the second loop you are already in the air and it pulls you fast and hard as you continue rolling into the second backflip. No one lands it. It is nasty. I landed it. In fact I spent all day everyday trying that one trick again and again. Landed on my head several times. Broke a rib and some gear. The used to call me captain caveman because I would wipe out hard it is not an easy thing. But Yeah I landed it again and again took me a couple years to get it.
Looks like you have another WR no one knows about
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Looks like you have another WR no one knows about
That's fine I wasn't kitesurfing for anyone other than myself. But a lot of pros know who I am and saw me kite many times but again I didn't throw the trick for them. I threw it all day everyday whether anyone else was there or not. I did it for the thrill of doing it.
I mean seriously dude you are a pasty 65 year old Englishman and you want to argue with me about kitesurfing?
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(https://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=692124.0;attach=1505617;image)
Fucks sake, I could do that at 58
Take off the water and lift your fucking legs up
Whoopie fucking dooo
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(https://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=692124.0;attach=1505617;image)
Fucks sake, I could do that at 58
Take off the water and lift your fucking legs up
Whoopie fucking dooo
So now you kitesurf lol If you did kitesurf you would recognize only one hand is on the kite and the lines are crossed and I am upside down. The kite is getting ready to loop I have pulled the trigger and I am about to go for a ride. But regardless a professional photographer was at the beach that day and took that pic of me and sent it to me no charge. You always go on and on about professional photographers. I actually think the professional photographer got a good pic this time.
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Bad ass pic complete with shoulder striations
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That's fine I wasn't kitesurfing for anyone other than myself. But a lot of pros know who I am and saw me kite many times but again I didn't throw the trick for them. I threw it all day everyday whether anyone else was there or not. I did it for the thrill of doing it.
I mean seriously dude you are a pasty 65 year old Englishman and you want to argue with me about kitesurfing?
(https://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=692124.0;attach=1505617;image)
Hanky that HGH is already showing dividends in the hair department, it's a noticeable difference!
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That's fine I wasn't kitesurfing for anyone other than myself. But a lot of pros know who I am and saw me kite many times but again I didn't throw the trick for them. I threw it all day everyday whether anyone else was there or not. I did it for the thrill of doing it.
I mean seriously dude you are a pasty 65 year old Englishman and you want to argue with me about kitesurfing?
i swear ive seen this pic years ago
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Hanky that HGH is already showing dividends in the hair department, it's a noticeable difference!
They say hair will start getting thicker around 5-6 months I am not there yet. But regardless I am not bald I do have hair. I had to take a passport style photo for an ID yesterday or the day before. No I do not have a full head of hair. Yes, it is thin. But I have hair.
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They say hair will start getting thicker around 5-6 months I am not there yet. But regardless I am not bald I do have a hair. I had to take a passport style photo for an ID yesterday or the day before. No I do not have a full head of hair. Yes, it is thin. But I have a hair.
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If you are taking aromatizing compounds your estrogen is not going to get too low. Yes I am well aware estrogen and water retention is anabolic you are the one who has been denying that. When we talk about getting too low we are talking about dudes taking tons of anti-estrogens not guys not supplementing with additional estrogen. There is nothing written on these subjects I have not read.
As long as it was in a bodybuilding magazine......fuck off with your claim of reading research articles.
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They say hair will start getting thicker around 5-6 months I am not there yet. But regardless I am not bald I do have hair. I had to take a passport style photo for an ID yesterday or the day before. No I do not have a full head of hair. Yes, it is thin. But I have hair.
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WTF?! You're so hhhhhhuuuuuuge, bhanky? And those boulder shoulders? Wow. Such massivity on a mortal man. It's just not fair to the other midgies.
Those aren't acne scars are they? Nah. They're coat hanger marks.
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I don't have the energy to argue nonsense with you. I am merely providing some background information. I also do a lot of reading on astronomy and space exploration. I am not an astronaut. I did take astronomy classes in college.
I said day 1 when I arrived I was taking HRT only and that was true. I never volunteered any information about what I did in my 20s. My research takes me a lot of places my original interest was to help my knee injuries at the time there was a lot of news about interarticular HGH shots into the knee joint for NFL running backs. I was getting interarticular knee injections of hyaluronic acid from my orthopedic surgeon two decades before PRP became a thing.
Hyaluronic acid and PRP are non synonymous. Go back and do research
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Not true, my original interest had nothing to do with muscle growth you guys still don't get it. My interest is in the anti-inflammatory properties for joint protection. If I could get no inflammation and no muscle growth I would gladly take it. HGH is not going to make my legs bigger. It will however put more fluid in the joints and reduce inflammation allowing me to train.
I consider my current interest to be more anti aging than anything else. Its not about getting big it is about being able to move and bend with strength and energy. I want to be able to pop off a jump snowboarding. I want to be able to ride a bike up a mountain. In order to do those things I need strong healthy knees. When training for strength and mobility you do get a little bigger but that is not the goal in it of itself.
Mobility does not directly cause hypertrophy. You may know drugs Brian but I know rehab. Don't try and say shit like that
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You talk about how you spent 5 years drinking. I spent 5 years of my life trying to do a double back looping backflip on a kiteboard in Maui. I spent a decade of my life trying to become the next Gordan Gekko. I have other interest outside bodybuilding and getting big.
That is one reason I actually like Classic I wish they had had that class when I was in my 20s. I am big enough for classic right now I don't need to bulk I don't need to gain any weight I don't need to take a bunch of weird stuff. I can just train get in the best shape possible then compete once a year. Instead of trying to get bigger I can focus on my weak areas and improve them.
When you say steroid you are missing the concept. I would consider myself someone who studies endocrinology my interest are in repair of ligaments, tendons, Cartlidge, inflammation and cellular metabolic function. It is more about anti aging when you guys say steroids and muscles you are missing the entire concept. The idea is to heal the body anabolic are a very small part of that. I am not currently taking any "steroids" nor have I in a long time.
Yet you fuck with compounds that directly cause problems. FTTP (or whatever) .....diurectics.....
I have forgotten more on cell phys than you know. If you cared as much about "anti-aging"....you wouldn't be sitting here trying to get to the bodyweights you say you do.
And yes, you are on "steroids".....testosterone is a sex hormone....otherwise known as a sex STEROID. You want to throw semantics out...there's one for you. Bioidentical or not...it IS a steroid.
It is ALSO a drug. A prescription DRUG.
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They say hair will start getting thicker around 5-6 months I am not there yet. But regardless I am not bald I do have hair. I had to take a passport style photo for an ID yesterday or the day before. No I do not have a full head of hair. Yes, it is thin. But I have hair.
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Smile and wear a collared shirt next time. This looks like a pic from a skid row makeover video Hankins.
Seriously, no cap.
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They say hair will start getting thicker around 5-6 months I am not there yet. But regardless I am not bald I do have hair. I had to take a passport style photo for an ID yesterday or the day before. No I do not have a full head of hair. Yes, it is thin. But I have hair.
have you ever shaven your skull and did you look better or worse?
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have you ever shaven your skull and did you look better or worse?
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Bad ass pic complete with shoulder striations and huge quads
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As long as it was in a bodybuilding magazine......fuck off with your claim of reading research articles.
I read several a day on a variety of topics
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I read several a day on a variety of topics
Beats work I suppose...
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Hyaluronic acid and PRP are non synonymous. Go back and do research
Never said they were but we are talking about injecting directly into the joint if we are talking about growth or healing factors or anti-inflammatory compounds or synthetic synovial fluids it is the same damn concept.
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Mobility does not directly cause hypertrophy. You may know drugs Brian but I know rehab. Don't try and say shit like that
Mobility is needed for exercise. Exercise is needed for hypertrophy if you can not train you can not grow. You think you know rehab. I never claimed to know drugs. I study the body and how to maintain it how it works that does mean studying of hormones, proteins, lipids, etc, etc, again you say drugs just a very narrow myopic view of a much larger concept.
But fine you want to talk "drugs" and hormones. If you don't know hormones and proteins and their effect on the body you don't know rehab and training.
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Yet you fuck with compounds that directly cause problems. FTTP (or whatever) .....diurectics.....
I have forgotten more on cell phys than you know. If you cared as much about "anti-aging"....you wouldn't be sitting here trying to get to the bodyweights you say you do.
And yes, you are on "steroids".....testosterone is a sex hormone....otherwise known as a sex STEROID. You want to throw semantics out...there's one for you. Bioidentical or not...it IS a steroid.
It is ALSO a drug. A prescription DRUG.
Anti Aging is not just about living longer it is about living healthier longer. Most age related issues are caused by loss of muscle mass the older we get the harder it is to add muscle eventually you start to lose it. You want to be able to play with your grand kids at 90 you better be jacked at 50.
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I read several a day on a variety of topics
You read abstracts at best.
Never said they were but we are talking about injecting directly into the joint if we are talking about growth or healing factors or anti-inflammatory compounds or synthetic synovial fluids it is the same damn concept.
You insinuated they were by your comment.
They are similar as saying all diuretics work on the kidney.....when we know damn well certain ones work at different points of the loop.
Mobility is needed for exercise. Exercise is needed for hypertrophy if you can not train you can not grow. You think you know rehab. I never claimed to know drugs. I study the body and how to maintain it how it works that does mean studying of hormones, proteins, lipids, etc, etc, again you say drugs just a very narrow myopic view of a much larger concept.
But fine you want to talk "drugs" and hormones. If you don't know hormones and proteins and their effect on the body you don't know rehab and training.
You said mobility causes growth. I don't think I know rehab....I DO.
You have "studied" bodybuilding drugs.....hows that for narrowing it down? If anyone has a myopic view (further showing it isn't brian typing) its you.
The bolded statement is one of the stupidest things you have ever said. I would love for you to talk your way out of that comment. Show me the connection in hormones and rehab from a practical application. Don't sit here and tell what a hormone does. Tell me how to rehab a partial tear of of the supraspinatus tendon with accompanying tendonosis. Show me ANY example of a PT that talks to a patient about that stuff.
Anti Aging is not just about living longer it is about living healthier longer. Most age related issues are caused by loss of muscle mass the older we get the harder it is to add muscle eventually you start to lose it. You want to be able to play with your grand kids at 90 you better be jacked at 50.
At NO POINT do you have to be JACKED to play with your kids at 90. What a completely moronic comment.
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He’s on a more likely path to be dead by 50. Multiple unnecessary elective surgeries for aesthetic purposes. Dumb.
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You read abstracts at best.
You insinuated they were by your comment.
They are similar as saying all diuretics work on the kidney.....when we know damn well certain ones work at different points of the loop.
You said mobility causes growth. I don't think I know rehab....I DO.
You have "studied" bodybuilding drugs.....hows that for narrowing it down? If anyone has a myopic view (further showing it isn't brian typing) its you.
The bolded statement is one of the stupidest things you have ever said. I would love for you to talk your way out of that comment. Show me the connection in hormones and rehab from a practical application. Don't sit here and tell what a hormone does. Tell me how to rehab a partial tear of of the supraspinatus tendon with accompanying tendonosis. Show me ANY example of a PT that talks to a patient about that stuff.
At NO POINT do you have to be JACKED to play with your kids at 90. What a completely moronic comment.
They don't and that is the problem it is malpractice. When we know certain compounds are beneficial in the healing process post surgery other compounds can actually help healing to avoid surgeries many can improve functionality and quality of life. Like I said if you don't know about healing through medicine and you only study physical manipulation then you don't know rehab.
I mean for fuck sake you are talking about injured damaged tissue and don't want to study growth and healing factors you think they have no application in rehab and recovery are you daft????
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That tanning cream gave you a big rash on your forehead.
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They don't and that is the problem it is malpractice. When we know certain compounds are beneficial in the healing process post surgery other compounds can actually help healing to avoid surgeries many can improve functionality and quality of life. Like I said if you don't know about healing through medicine and you only study physical manipulation then you don't know rehab.
sounds like you relied on drugs rather than physio after your knee surgery
Sounds bang on for you
Easiest way in life is the only way.
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sounds like you relied on drugs rather than physio after your knee surgery
Sounds bang on for you
Easiest way in life is the only way.
Fuck off with your extra 200 calories you are as bad as DJ just an older soggier version
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He’s on a more likely path to be dead by 50. Multiple unnecessary elective surgeries for aesthetic purposes. Dumb.
You do realize chronic pec tears are called chronic because they keep happening? I want to get it fixed so it doesn't keep happening. 100 bucks says you don't even lift
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You read abstracts at best.
You insinuated they were by your comment.
They are similar as saying all diuretics work on the kidney.....when we know damn well certain ones work at different points of the loop.
You said mobility causes growth. I don't think I know rehab....I DO.
You have "studied" bodybuilding drugs.....hows that for narrowing it down? If anyone has a myopic view (further showing it isn't brian typing) its you.
The bolded statement is one of the stupidest things you have ever said. I would love for you to talk your way out of that comment. Show me the connection in hormones and rehab from a practical application. Don't sit here and tell what a hormone does. Tell me how to rehab a partial tear of of the supraspinatus tendon with accompanying tendonosis. Show me ANY example of a PT that talks to a patient about that stuff.
At NO POINT do you have to be JACKED to play with your kids at 90. What a completely moronic comment.
I never said mobility causes growth again see above mobility is necessary for growth you can be the most agile mobile guy on the planet if you sit on the couch not eating you are not going to grow
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You read abstracts at best.
You insinuated they were by your comment.
They are similar as saying all diuretics work on the kidney.....when we know damn well certain ones work at different points of the loop.
You said mobility causes growth. I don't think I know rehab....I DO.
You have "studied" bodybuilding drugs.....hows that for narrowing it down? If anyone has a myopic view (further showing it isn't brian typing) its you.
The bolded statement is one of the stupidest things you have ever said. I would love for you to talk your way out of that comment. Show me the connection in hormones and rehab from a practical application. Don't sit here and tell what a hormone does. Tell me how to rehab a partial tear of of the supraspinatus tendon with accompanying tendonosis. Show me ANY example of a PT that talks to a patient about that stuff.
At NO POINT do you have to be JACKED to play with your kids at 90. What a completely moronic comment.
i spend very little time reading about bodybuilding stuff I already read it all decades ago. I still spend a lot of time reading new studies in aging.
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Those shaky bench presses he’s posted are the best rehab and prevention for future “chronic pec tears”. The only chronic is what he’s smoking to be so delusional.
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i spend very little time reading about bodybuilding stuff I already read it all decades ago. I still spend a lot of time reading new studies in aging.
you should read some studies on the success of pec repairs long after they occur.
If you did you wouldn't be wasting your money
Does Em know you are spend the kids food on a stupid pointless operation?
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They don't and that is the problem it is malpractice. When we know certain compounds are beneficial in the healing process post surgery other compounds can actually help healing to avoid surgeries many can improve functionality and quality of life. Like I said if you don't know about healing through medicine and you only study physical manipulation then you don't know rehab.
I mean for fuck sake you are talking about injured damaged tissue and don't want to study growth and healing factors you think they have no application in rehab and recovery are you daft????
First off you have no idea what the term malpractice means....or you wouldn't have just used it in that way.
Secondly, you said rehab and hormones...now you want to bring surgical situations into it. Someone has a partial tear of a supraspinatus tendon...that does not always mean surgery. In addition, just because you take a compound does NOT mean you have rehabbed the tissue that was damaged. Over-facilitated / inhibited muscle or incorrect firing patterns from years of over working something needs to be corrected to prevent future damage. Oh, but you knew that already...didn't you?
Yeah, I am daft....says the guy who is 10 years older than you and can move better than you. You did not tell me how you would deal with that rehab situation at all. How does the assessment of the thoracic spine, scapular mobility, and the surrounding tissues involve "certain compounds"??? NEVER did I suggest that some compounds wouldn't be beneficial in the healing....but THAT is not rehab. That is ancillary to the active process. You seriously do NOT understand who you are talking to.
You do SHIT for pre-hab and mobility. Prove me wrong
i spend very little time reading about bodybuilding stuff I already read it all decades ago. I still spend a lot of time reading new studies in aging.
Yes, because studies come out daily don't they?
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It is for anti aging purposes thicker hair is only one thing it does
How come I can't find any doctors recommending HGH for hair loss?
It's all that Rogaine and Finisteride stuff.
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19" neck and a 30" noggin.
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(https://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=692124.0;attach=1505641;image)
19" neck and a 30" noggin.
The look of radiant good health and wellbeing, a shining soul illuminating the darkness.
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you should read some studies on the success of pec repairs long after they occur.
If you did you wouldn't be wasting your money
Does Em know you are spend the kids food on a stupid pointless operation?
If I want to spend my money to get my pec fixed what is it to you? Why is it pointless? I have a chronic tear that means it keeps happening. This Dr has a new technique to repair chronic tears what part of that are you missing? What does it hurt to go see him and get his professional opinion? I should just listen to Jeff instead? Jeff also said I couldn't win a show and should just give up. Jeff has been known to be wrong.
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First off you have no idea what the term malpractice means....or you wouldn't have just used it in that way.
Secondly, you said rehab and hormones...now you want to bring surgical situations into it. Someone has a partial tear of a supraspinatus tendon...that does not always mean surgery. In addition, just because you take a compound does NOT mean you have rehabbed the tissue that was damaged. Over-facilitated / inhibited muscle or incorrect firing patterns from years of over working something needs to be corrected to prevent future damage. Oh, but you knew that already...didn't you?
Yeah, I am daft....says the guy who is 10 years older than you and can move better than you. You did not tell me how you would deal with that rehab situation at all. How does the assessment of the thoracic spine, scapular mobility, and the surrounding tissues involve "certain compounds"??? NEVER did I suggest that some compounds wouldn't be beneficial in the healing....but THAT is not rehab. That is ancillary to the active process. You seriously do NOT understand who you are talking to.
You do SHIT for pre-hab and mobility. Prove me wrong
Yes, because studies come out daily don't they?
I worked in a library in college. You could spend the rest of your life reading and never get through it all. One subject always leads to the next.
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The look of radiant good health and wellbeing, a shining soul illuminating the darkness.
I didn't say I was going to make the cover of GQ magazine. I said I had some hair on my head.
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I worked in a library in college. You could spend the rest of your life reading and never get through it all. One subject always leads to the next.
Any more random thoughts that don't address the subject? You're a good little boy for not addressing anything else other than my final statement though. Seems you know when you tuck your tail between your ass cheeks and run.
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Any more random thoughts that don't address the subject? You're a good little boy for not addressing anything else other than my final statement though. Seems you know when you tuck your tail between your ass cheeks and run.
Why argue you are fucking daft because you are contradicting yourself like I get it you think you are a great rehab person the same reason every idiot thinks they are a great trainer and their clients go nowhere.
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Why argue you are fucking daft because you are contradicting yourself like I get it you think you are a great rehab person the same reason every idiot thinks they are a great trainer and their clients go nowhere.
Show me ONE spot where I did that Brian. You CAN'T argue because I corner you on things and you say "I don't need to argue"....like some desperate female trying to avoid the truth when busted.
I don't think I am great....but I am damn well more versed on things than you. Fucking spouting off shit you have read from Flex magazine.
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Why argue you are fucking daft because you are contradicting yourself like I get it you think you are a great rehab person the same reason every idiot thinks they are a great trainer and their clients go nowhere.
No wonder you are alone in this world with only your pathetic ego. No one thinks well of you. Neither here nor in the real world. That is your reality little manlette. No one means...Everyone. Asshole.
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And yes, you are on "steroids".....testosterone is a sex hormone....otherwise known as a sex STEROID. You want to throw semantics out...there's one for you. Bioidentical or not...it IS a steroid.
It is ALSO a drug. A prescription DRUG.
Just to harp on semantics. I know what you mean, though some or many researchers make a distinction between testosterone and anabolic steroids. Lots of scientific articles say "testosterone and anabolic steroids" as if there's a difference. The difference is that anabolic steroids a lot of times is meant to mean testosterone or other androgen derivatives (whether 19-nors, DHT, or testosterone derivatives*) with a steroid structure which were specifically developed for heightening the anabolic effect versus the androgenic. Of course test is anabolic too and of course it is a steroid as you say. And I know you know all this too, I'm not arguing you don't. But the distinction is sometimes made and it's based on something real but perhaps irrelevant in some discussion. I got into this debate on IG where I explained this and someone said, "fuck you, test is an anabolic steroid." Yes and no, sometimes the distinction is made, and I explained why.
Of course someone might not want to say they are on "anabolic steroids" for different reasons, like for claiming they are actually natural, and sometimes the difference is irrelevant. Semantic discussion of peace :)
There are other terms used that might be irrelevant too, like bioidentical and prohormone. I think many are a bit unclear on what is meant by bioidentical. Same with prohormone. Prohormone is often used by scientists but a drug testing org like WADA makes no distinction between anabolic steroids and what is sold as "prohormones" or "andro"-whatever. Some common anabolic steroids might actually be termed prohormones as the active metabolites formed in the body might be what causes most of the anabolic or whatever else response.
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Just to harp on semantics. I know what you mean, though some or many researchers make a distinction between testosterone and anabolic steroids. Lots of scientific articles say "testosterone and anabolic steroids" as if there's a difference. The difference is that anabolic steroids a lot of times is meant to mean testosterone or other androgen derivatives (whether 19-nors, DHT, or testosterone derivatives*) with a steroid structure which were specifically developed for heightening the anabolic effect versus the androgenic. Of course test is anabolic too and of course it is a steroid as you say. And I know you know all this too, I'm not arguing you don't. But the distinction is sometimes made and it's based on something real but perhaps irrelevant in some discussion. I got into this debate on IG where I explained this and someone said, "fuck you, test is an anabolic steroid." Yes and no, sometimes the distinction is made, and I explained why.
Of course someone might not want to say they are on "anabolic steroids" for different reasons, like for claiming they are actually natural, and sometimes the difference is irrelevant. Semantic discussion of peace :)
There are other terms used that might be irrelevant too, like bioidentical and prohormone. I think many are a bit unclear on what is meant by bioidentical. Same with prohormone. Prohormone is often used by scientists but a drug testing org like WADA makes no distinction between anabolic steroids and what is sold as "prohormones" or "andro"-whatever. Some common anabolic steroids might actually be termed prohormones as the active metabolites formed in the body might be what causes most of the anabolic or whatever else response.
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No argument with you on any point. People freak out when they get prescriptions for "a steroid" from their PCP to reduce inflammation. Then there is the explanation that those are the corticosteroids. He argues he's not on 'drugs' yet the clear cut definition of a drug says otherwise. There was a prescription bottle of his that clearly stated 'drug'. Synthetic or bio-identical....the effect is the same, right? Are their distinctions in side effects or other things? Yeah...but thats not the point.
He HAS to enter the non-tested things because he is using, by most (if not all) sports organizations' definition a PED. He argues on here relentlessly that he is not...does he do that when he enters things? Nope. He just shuts his mouth and signs on the line and accepts it.
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He HAS to enter the non-tested things because he is using, by most (if not all) sports organizations' definition a PED. He argues on here relentlessly that he is not...does he do that when he enters things? Nope. He just shuts his mouth and signs on the line and accepts it.
He is of course doing plenty of other drugs he isn't mentioning. He's done peds for 26 years or whatever, there is no reason why he would get on stage without being on a substatial stack, I mean his getbig rep was on the line! He has to harp on the bioidentical hormones and delta-8 because of legal reasons, "people" are reading this thread. It's completely understandable from his POV, so there's no real reason to keep arguing about it with him imo. The delta-8 makes you piss positive for THC so why not go for the real thing. Now he's talking about other legal cannabinoids, I suspect something happened with the legality of delta-8 or he doesn't want to piss dirty.
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He is of course doing plenty of other drugs he isn't mentioning. He's done peds for 26 years or whatever, there is no reason why he would get on stage without being on a substatial stack, I mean his getbig rep was on the line! He has to harp on the bioidentical hormones and delta-8 because of legal reasons, "people" are reading this thread. It's completely understandable from his POV, so there's no real reason to keep arguing about it with him imo. The delta-8 makes you piss positive for THC so why not go for the real thing. Now he's talking about other legal cannabinoids, I suspect something happened with the legality of delta-8 or he doesn't want to piss dirty.
Brian is still probably on probation, hence the drug use lies...
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Show me ONE spot where I did that Brian. You CAN'T argue because I corner you on things and you say "I don't need to argue"....like some desperate female trying to avoid the truth when busted.
I don't think I am great....but I am damn well more versed on things than you. Fucking spouting off shit you have read from Flex magazine.
If you are well versed then you would know all about various regenerative medicines and not think rehab meant just doing exercise in a vacuum. Dr don't discuss it either anything not covered by insurance doesn't get discussed it is wrong and malpractice. I have to specifically ask my Dr questions and you know what? They don't know the answers it's bad. Everyone wants to be some kind of specialist no one realizes you also need to be a generalist to be a good specialist.
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Just to harp on semantics. I know what you mean, though some or many researchers make a distinction between testosterone and anabolic steroids. Lots of scientific articles say "testosterone and anabolic steroids" as if there's a difference. The difference is that anabolic steroids a lot of times is meant to mean testosterone or other androgen derivatives (whether 19-nors, DHT, or testosterone derivatives*) with a steroid structure which were specifically developed for heightening the anabolic effect versus the androgenic. Of course test is anabolic too and of course it is a steroid as you say. And I know you know all this too, I'm not arguing you don't. But the distinction is sometimes made and it's based on something real but perhaps irrelevant in some discussion. I got into this debate on IG where I explained this and someone said, "fuck you, test is an anabolic steroid." Yes and no, sometimes the distinction is made, and I explained why.
Of course someone might not want to say they are on "anabolic steroids" for different reasons, like for claiming they are actually natural, and sometimes the difference is irrelevant. Semantic discussion of peace :)
There are other terms used that might be irrelevant too, like bioidentical and prohormone. I think many are a bit unclear on what is meant by bioidentical. Same with prohormone. Prohormone is often used by scientists but a drug testing org like WADA makes no distinction between anabolic steroids and what is sold as "prohormones" or "andro"-whatever. Some common anabolic steroids might actually be termed prohormones as the active metabolites formed in the body might be what causes most of the anabolic or whatever else response.
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Thank you Van my understanding has always been that
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If you are well versed then you would know all about various regenerative medicines and not think rehab meant just doing exercise in a vacuum. Dr don't discuss it either anything not covered by insurance doesn't get discussed it is wrong and malpractice. I have to specifically ask my Dr questions and you know what? They don't know the answers it's bad. Everyone wants to be some kind of specialist no one realizes you also need to be a generalist to be a good specialist.
Hanky some of these alternative therapies you do aren't approved by the FDA for "regenerative" purposes. It isn't malpractice if the doctors don't discuss it with you. Their own malpractice insurance might not cover them if they recommend treatments like stem cell therapy, delta 8, anadrol, GH etc.
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If you are well versed then you would know all about various regenerative medicines and not think rehab meant just doing exercise in a vacuum. Dr don't discuss it either anything not covered by insurance doesn't get discussed it is wrong and malpractice. I have to specifically ask my Dr questions and you know what? They don't know the answers it's bad. Everyone wants to be some kind of specialist no one realizes you also need to be a generalist to be a good specialist.
Injecting substances is NOT active rehab. I still have the screen shot from when you were first on here talking about your goodie bag of things you had that didn't start taking. Let me guess, they were all for anti-aging and inflammation. (MASSIVE eye roll on that). Again show me where I contradicted myself. Stop glossing over it and show me. I dare you.
It is NOT malpractice. You should look up the difference between malpractice and negligence. Even then you couldn't convince anyone it truly was negligence. Medical professionals follow very specific guidelines for pharmaceuticals, state licensing rules, and finally what is called "acceptable standards of practice". Not something some piss ant bodybuilder is asking them for. Want to know why so many practitioners don't do the stem cell shit like they were a few years ago? Want to know why people have such a problem getting lower does pain meds like Tramadol? Look into it.
You asked you fucking hernia surgery doctor for HGH...he said no and you cried about it because your reading of ancillary studies for it being helpful with wound healing. We all know why you wanted it. "Wound healing".....right Brian....right. I'll take Brian's Bullshit Reasons for $800 Alex.
Your last statement means fuck all. You must think certain phrases sound cool and then type them.
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Want to know why people have such a problem getting lower does pain meds like Tramadol? Look into it.
What's the reason. How would you rate it against other opiates/opioids?
Here tramadol used to be easy to get, it wasn't even seen as that addictive. Now just asking for tramadol will make it so you definitely don't get it, might as well ask for pharmaceutical heroin. The reason for this shift, as far as I can understand, is that for awhile India was sending out tons of tramadol powder and many got hooked. This was apparently not seen when it was a prescription item and not popular in druggie circles. There's apparently some weird legislation where it's classed as a narcotic when in powder form but not when in pharma preps. I like it a lot, but my connect was out when I just asked. It's a pretty good painkiller but a mega effective immediate antidepressant ;D
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If you are well versed then you would know all about various regenerative medicines and not think rehab meant just doing exercise in a vacuum. Dr don't discuss it either anything not covered by insurance doesn't get discussed it is wrong and malpractice. I have to specifically ask my Dr questions and you know what? They don't know the answers it's bad. Everyone wants to be some kind of specialist no one realizes you also need to be a generalist to be a good specialist.
In a world where kids are taught they can grow up to be anything bhanky chose to be a stupid, rude, fucking C-UNT.
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What's the reason. How would you rate it against other opiates/opioids?
Here tramadol used to be easy to get, it wasn't even seen as that addictive. Now just asking for tramadol will make it so you definitely don't get it, might as well ask for pharmaceutical heroin. The reason for this shift, as far as I can understand, is that for awhile India was sending out tons of tramadol powder and many got hooked. This was apparently not seen when it was a prescription item and not popular in druggie circles. There's apparently some weird legislation where it's classed as a narcotic when in powder form but not when in pharma preps. I like it a lot, but my connect was out when I just asked. It's a pretty good painkiller but a mega effective immediate antidepressant ;D
Basically because of how MD's have to justify the opioid scripts. How many people have asked for more and more doses of it....when they really didn't need it.
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What's the reason. How would you rate it against other opiates/opioids?
Here tramadol used to be easy to get, it wasn't even seen as that addictive. Now just asking for tramadol will make it so you definitely don't get it, might as well ask for pharmaceutical heroin. The reason for this shift, as far as I can understand, is that for awhile India was sending out tons of tramadol powder and many got hooked. This was apparently not seen when it was a prescription item and not popular in druggie circles. There's apparently some weird legislation where it's classed as a narcotic when in powder form but not when in pharma preps. I like it a lot, but my connect was out when I just asked. It's a pretty good painkiller but a mega effective immediate antidepressant ;D
I can get Tramadol from my doctor anytime I want to
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I can get Tramadol from my doctor anytime I want to
The US sucks when it comes to meds. Plain and simple.
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What's the reason. How would you rate it against other opiates/opioids?
Here tramadol used to be easy to get, it wasn't even seen as that addictive. Now just asking for tramadol will make it so you definitely don't get it, might as well ask for pharmaceutical heroin. The reason for this shift, as far as I can understand, is that for awhile India was sending out tons of tramadol powder and many got hooked. This was apparently not seen when it was a prescription item and not popular in druggie circles. There's apparently some weird legislation where it's classed as a narcotic when in powder form but not when in pharma preps. I like it a lot, but my connect was out when I just asked. It's a pretty good painkiller but a mega effective immediate antidepressant ;D
It is not an opiod it is absolutely misclassified
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It is not an opiod it is absolutely misclassified
Are you just wrong or is that a lie?
Tramadol is a specific type of narcotic medicine called an opioid that is approved to treat moderate to moderately severe pain in adults. It is available under the brand names Ultram, Ultram ER, Conzip, and also as generics. Tramadol is also available in combination with the pain reliever acetaminophen under the brand name Ultracet and as generics.
https://www.fda.gov/drugs/postmarket-drug-safety-information-patients-and-providers/tramadol-information
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It is not an opiod it is absolutely misclassified
Surely you can't be that stupid.
Stick to giving out random stock tips douchebag
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Are you just wrong or is that a lie?
https://www.fda.gov/drugs/postmarket-drug-safety-information-patients-and-providers/tramadol-information
Again it is absolutely not an opioid it is misclassified. If any of you actually had a history of opioid usage you would know that. I read some articles explaining why the FDA misclassified it at one point but regardless it is misclassified not an opioid.
All opioids do the exact same thing at dosage there is no difference between vicodin, nubain, fentanyly, oxycoton, and Heroin it is all the same at dosage it will all have the exact same effect. Except Tramadol it has absolutely will not have any opioid effect at any dosage because it is not an opioid.
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Again it is absolutely not an opioid it is misclassified
Proof?
(This is going to be the tomato debate all over again.)
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Again it is absolutely not an opioid it is misclassified. If any of you actually had a history of opioid usage you would know that. I read some articles explaining why the FDA misclassified it at one point but regardless it is misclassified not an opioid.
All opioids do the exact same thing at dosage there is no difference between vicodin, nubain, fentanyly, oxycoton, and Heroin it is all the same at dosage it will all have the exact same effect. Except Tramadol it has absolutely will not have any opioid effect at any dosage because it is not an opioid.
Hmnmmmmm
"Tramadol was approved for marketing in the United States as a non-controlled analgesic in 1995 under the trade name of Ultram®. However, soon after its approval there have been reports of diversion and abuse of tramadol. This led to revisions to the product labeling and the addition of warnings about its abuse by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA). Tramadol is an opioid analgesic and opioid activity is the overriding contributor to its pharmacological effects. Abuse and adverse events of tramadol are similar to those of other opioid analgesics."
https://www.deadiversion.usdoj.gov/drug_chem_info/tramadol.pdf
As of FEB 2024 DICK CHEESE!!!
You should be banned for how stupid you are. Please point out these articles you read. Why would anyone's history of opioid usage give them the understanding on classification?
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Again it is absolutely not an opioid it is misclassified. If any of you actually had a history of opioid usage you would know that. I read some articles explaining why the FDA misclassified it at one point but regardless it is misclassified not an opioid.
All opioids do the exact same thing at dosage there is no difference between vicodin, nubain, fentanyly, oxycoton, and Heroin it is all the same at dosage it will all have the exact same effect. Except Tramadol it has absolutely will not have any opioid effect at any dosage because it is not an opioid.
The FDA's big paper on Tramadol -
https://www.fda.gov/media/156139/download -
Page 16 - "Tramadol is a centrally acting atypical opioid that is differentiated from conventional opioids such as morphine or codeine (which is a pro-drug of morphine) by its dual mechanism of analgesia. It combines weak mu opioid agonist activity and non-opioid mode of pain relief and both opioid and non-opioid mechanisms are important contributors to tramadol’s analgesic effect (Raffa 1992, Raffa 1996)."
Page 16 - "The overall analgesic action of tramadol comes from these multiple pharmacological mechanisms of opioid and nonopioid actions that results in ‘synergistic potentiation,’ i.e., the degree of pain relief is greater than the sum of the individual components of its action"
Page 17 - "Tramadol is often the only opioid used in patients with post-operative pain, and its use in combination with non-opioid
medicine provides adequate pain relief while reducing the use of more abusable opioids"
Page 17 - "Oral tramadol’s current schedule IV classification reflects the scientific understanding that tramadol has less abuse potential than conventional pure mu opioid agonists and is supported by extensive preclinical, clinical, post-marketing and epidemiological studies conducted by various academic institutions, sponsors, and government agencies, including the recent report on tramadol by the WHO expert committee on drug dependence in November 2018 (WHO 2018), as well as our review of the data on the abuse of tramadol in the U.S. and in European countries where IV formulation is available (Section 7)."
It's a weak opioid Hankins, but it's still an opioid.
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Hmnmmmmm
"Tramadol was approved for marketing in the United States as a non-controlled analgesic in 1995 under the trade name of Ultram®. However, soon after its approval there have been reports of diversion and abuse of tramadol. This led to revisions to the product labeling and the addition of warnings about its abuse by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA). Tramadol is an opioid analgesic and opioid activity is the overriding contributor to its pharmacological effects. Abuse and adverse events of tramadol are similar to those of other opioid analgesics."
https://www.deadiversion.usdoj.gov/drug_chem_info/tramadol.pdf
As of FEB 2024 DICK CHEESE!!!
You should be banned for how stupid you are. Please point out these articles you read. Why would anyone's history of opioid usage give them the understanding on classification?
Again It is absolutely not a fucking opioid I don't give a fuck what the FDA says about classifications. I can tell the difference between an opioid and a non-opioid . I was prescribed mega doses of the shit as a teenager for my knee surgeries. I have had a half dozen surgeries. I have used prescription opioids on and off for 30 years. When you take an opioid you get an opioid itch it happens with every single actual opioid. It will not happen with Tramadol at any dosage it is not an opioid. I love opioids I have chronic pain. I will not even take tramadol fuck there have been bottles of it just laying around here for years. I won't touch it because it is absolutely not an opioid if it was you could take a bunch and get the opioid itch you can not get that at any dosage on tramadol.
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The FDA's big paper on Tramadol -
https://www.fda.gov/media/156139/download -
Page 16 - "Tramadol is a centrally acting atypical opioid that is differentiated from conventional opioids such as morphine or codeine (which is a pro-drug of morphine) by its dual mechanism of analgesia. It combines weak mu opioid agonist activity and non-opioid mode of pain relief and both opioid and non-opioid mechanisms are important contributors to tramadol’s analgesic effect (Raffa 1992, Raffa 1996)."
Page 16 - "The overall analgesic action of tramadol comes from these multiple pharmacological mechanisms of opioid and nonopioid actions that results in ‘synergistic potentiation,’ i.e., the degree of pain relief is greater than the sum of the individual components of its action"
Page 17 - "Tramadol is often the only opioid used in patients with post-operative pain, and its use in combination with non-opioid
medicine provides adequate pain relief while reducing the use of more abusable opioids"
Page 17 - "Oral tramadol’s current schedule IV classification reflects the scientific understanding that tramadol has less abuse potential than conventional pure mu opioid agonists and is supported by extensive preclinical, clinical, post-marketing and epidemiological studies conducted by various academic institutions, sponsors, and government agencies, including the recent report on tramadol by the WHO expert committee on drug dependence in November 2018 (WHO 2018), as well as our review of the data on the abuse of tramadol in the U.S. and in European countries where IV formulation is available (Section 7)."
It's a weak opioid Hankins, but it's still an opioid.
It is not an opioid your body can not tell the difference between hydrocodone and heroin or fentanyl or oxy or nubain or morphine at dosage they all feel the same you fill get the opioid itch on all of them. You will never get it on Tramadol at any dosage not an opioid.
Also FYI it was not originally classified as an opioid because it is not one they reclassified it because it is "simular"
https://soapboxie.com/social-issues/Tramadol-a-New-Classification-as-a-Controlled-Substance
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https://newsnetwork.mayoclinic.org/discussion/historically-safer-tramadol-more-likely-than-other-opioids-to-result-in-prolonged-use/
More likely than opioids as again it is not a fucking opioid
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Sorry you just heard about this yesterday but it was reclassified its not an opioid by all means do more research or better yet go develop an opioid addiction then try some tramadol and tell me if it is an opioid. Fucking insane about as dumb as DJ reading and listening to youtube and thinking he knws shit about peds he hasn't used has no personal history
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https://newsnetwork.mayoclinic.org/discussion/historically-safer-tramadol-more-likely-than-other-opioids-to-result-in-prolonged-use/
More likely than opioids as again it is not a fucking opioid
"Historically ‘safer’ tramadol more likely than other opioids to result in prolonged use".
"This data will force us to reevaluate our postsurgical prescribing guidelines," says lead author Cornelius Thiels, D.O., a general surgery resident in Mayo Clinic School of Graduate Medical Education. "And while tramadol may still be an acceptable option for some patients, our data suggests we should be as cautious with tramadol as we are with other short-acting opioids."
Your own link disagrees with you.
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"Historically ‘safer’ tramadol more likely than other opioids to result in prolonged use".
"This data will force us to reevaluate our postsurgical prescribing guidelines," says lead author Cornelius Thiels, D.O., a general surgery resident in Mayo Clinic School of Graduate Medical Education. "And while tramadol may still be an acceptable option for some patients, our data suggests we should be as cautious with tramadol as we are with other short-acting opioids."
Your own link disagrees with you.
Your reading comprehension sucks. As other short acting opioids that doesn't mean it is a short acting opioid. And again I don't need an article to tell me what an opioid is give me any random pill and I can take it and tell you if it is an opioid my body absolutely recognizes opioids. It does not recognize tramadol as an opioid I trust my body and 30 years of personal exp. It is absolutely not touching the opioid receptor at all at any dosage not an opioid
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Sorry you just heard about this yesterday but it was reclassified its not an opioid by all means do more research or better yet go develop an opioid addiction then try some tramadol and tell me if it is an opioid. Fucking insane about as dumb as DJ reading and listening to youtube and thinking he knws shit about peds he hasn't used has no personal history
You like to get a buzz going, and and are looking for ways to justify it.
It's a weak opioid.
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You like to get a buzz going, and and are looking for ways to justify it.
It's a weak opioid.
I have not had a single opioid in over a year. It is not a weak opioid if it was you could just mega dose it and it would be a strong opioid but it isn't an opioid at any dosage.
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Again It is absolutely not a fucking opioid I don't give a fuck what the FDA says about classifications. I can tell the difference between an opioid and a non-opioid . I was prescribed mega doses of the shit as a teenager for my knee surgeries. I have had a half dozen surgeries. I have used prescription opioids on and off for 30 years. When you take an opioid you get an opioid itch it happens with every single actual opioid. It will not happen with Tramadol at any dosage it is not an opioid. I love opioids I have chronic pain. I will not even take tramadol fuck there have been bottles of it just laying around here for years. I won't touch it because it is absolutely not an opioid if it was you could take a bunch and get the opioid itch you can not get that at any dosage on tramadol.
Ohhhhh so classification of drugs is all about what Brian thinks. Riiiiiiight. Its not the sun...its the moon because Brian says so.
No, the itch does not happen with everyone. I have had rotator repair, meniscus clean up, tendon transfer, and PKR. NEVER did I get an 'itch' from the shit I was prescribed.
Also, thats real fucking responsible to have bottles of a CLASS IV drug laying around for anyone to take. How does Em feel about that?
Geezus....you truly ARE stupid.
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Your reading comprehension sucks. As other short acting opioids that doesn't mean it is a short acting opioid. And again I don't need an article to tell me what an opioid is give me any random pill and I can take it and tell you if it is an opioid my body absolutely recognizes opioids. It does not recognize tramadol as an opioid I trust my body and 30 years of personal exp. It is absolutely not touching the opioid receptor at all at any dosage not an opioid
The doctor quoted from your link -
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How many times does he call Tramadol an opioid?
What's next Brian, I do appreciate the old "Dat shit don't be hittin' right!" crackhead method of drug classification you use, it's fun.
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Ohhhhh so classification of drugs is all about what Brian thinks. Riiiiiiight. Its not the sun...its the moon because Brian says so.
No, the itch does not happen with everyone. I have had rotator repair, meniscus clean up, tendon transfer, and PKR. NEVER did I get an 'itch' from the shit I was prescribed.
Also, thats real fucking responsible to have bottles of a CLASS IV drug laying around for anyone to take. How does Em feel about that?
Geezus....you truly ARE stupid.
He is a real maroon. Doubtless he has a dog-eared copy of a PDR by his side and let us never forget his (sweaty) Mensa level IQ and powerful memory that puts the beautiful Marilu Henner's photographic memory to shame. bhanky is highly selective of what he chooses to remember.
There are whispers in Hollyweird that he is set to star in the 2nd remake of the classic Arnold film about Mars. The Working Title is said to be "Total Retard".
Fitting.
One of the Masters of PhotoShoppe should put together a poster of bhanky in Arnold's role with that Working Title in place...
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The doctor quoted from your link -
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How many times does he call Tramadol an opioid?
What's next Brian, I do appreciate the old "Dat shit don't be hittin' right!" crackhead method of drug classification you use, it's fun.
He can call it whatever he wants it is not an opioid
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Again It is absolutely not a fucking opioid I don't give a fuck what the FDA says about classifications. I can tell the difference between an opioid and a non-opioid . I was prescribed mega doses of the shit as a teenager for my knee surgeries. I have had a half dozen surgeries. I have used prescription opioids on and off for 30 years. When you take an opioid you get an opioid itch it happens with every single actual opioid. It will not happen with Tramadol at any dosage it is not an opioid. I love opioids I have chronic pain. I will not even take tramadol fuck there have been bottles of it just laying around here for years. I won't touch it because it is absolutely not an opioid if it was you could take a bunch and get the opioid itch you can not get that at any dosage on tramadol.
You itch due to the reaction an opioid has on your mast cells (had to look the reaction up). I do know that mast cells are rich in histamine and heparin. Just because YOU feel the itching, doesn't mean everyone does. Same reason why some have seasonal allergies and others don't.
Here's some light reading for you Brian....I bet you don't understand 10% of what is written in there. (Count how many times Tramadol is referred to as an OPIOID)
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8520671/
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You itch due to the reaction an opioid has on your mast cells (had to look the reaction up). I do know that mast cells are rich in histamine and heparin. Just because YOU feel the itching, doesn't mean everyone does. Same reason why some have seasonal allergies and others don't.
Here's some light reading for you Brian....I bet you don't understand 10% of what is written in there. (Count how many times Tramadol is referred to as an OPIOID)
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8520671/
Read what you just wrote. I never said everyone is going to feel an itch especially at prescribed dosage. What I am telling you with absolute 100% certainty is given a high enough dosage all opioids cause the itch. Especially in someone who is sensitive and acutely aware of their opioid receptor being activated. Tramadol will not cause the itch not just at prescribed dosage at any dosage take the entire bottle at once it does not activate the opioid receptor. This is like the 100lb kid telling the 300lb bodybuilder according to science they are doing it wrong. Just fucking trust me on this one. I don't care what some lab geek wrote in an article. It is misclassified it is not an opiate. They didn't classify it as an opioid until 2019 your article is from 2022 prior to 2019 it was not classified as an opioid because it isn't one.
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Read what you just wrote. I never said everyone is going to feel an itch especially at prescribed dosage. What I am telling you with absolute 100% certainty is given a high enough dosage all opioids cause the itch. Especially in someone who is sensitive and acutely aware of their opioid receptor being activated. Tramadol will not cause the itch not just at prescribed dosage at any dosage take the entire bottle at once it does not activate the opioid receptor. This is like the 100lb kid telling the 300lb bodybuilder according to science they are doing it wrong. Just fucking trust me on this one. I don't care what some lab geek wrote in an article. It is misclassified it is not an opiate. They didn't classify it as an opioid until 2019 your article is from 2022 prior to 2019 it was not classified as an opioid because it isn't one.
Brian Brian Brian....
https://www.drugs.com/article/tramadol-need-to-know.html
The most common side effects of tramadol:
- dizziness / vertigo
- nausea / vomiting
- constipation (can be more common in the elderly > 75 years)
- headache
- itching
- sleepiness, drowsiness
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Also, not 2019.....2014.
This is factual shit people have posted about YOUR lack of recognizing that tramadol IS an opioid. Just because you took it for every little ache and pain doesn't mean your an expert on it. Should I go downtown chicago and find a meth addict and start asking them about meth because they have done it for years and years and years? Fucking asinine analogy.
Like I said....people know more than you but YOU want to argue until you have been shown you're wrong so many times and then run away like a little bitch.
Again It is absolutely not a fucking opioid I don't give a fuck what the FDA says about classifications. I can tell the difference between an opioid and a non-opioid . I was prescribed mega doses of the shit as a teenager for my knee surgeries. I have had a half dozen surgeries. I have used prescription opioids on and off for 30 years. When you take an opioid you get an opioid itch it happens with every single actual opioid. It will not happen with Tramadol at any dosage it is not an opioid. I love opioids I have chronic pain. I will not even take tramadol fuck there have been bottles of it just laying around here for years. I won't touch it because it is absolutely not an opioid if it was you could take a bunch and get the opioid itch you can not get that at any dosage on tramadol.
Your statement right there doesn't exclude anyone. You are making a blanket statement....you didn't say "I get the itch"....so, you didn't use the WORD "everyone" but your comment MEANS everyone gets it.
I can do this all day and night with you. Expose you for the drug abusing little c.unt everyone here knows you are.
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Hankins, here are a bunch Packaging and Prescribing inserts from the makers of Ultram/Tramadol over the years, guess what they call Tamadol?! -
https://www.accessdata.fda.gov/drugsatfda_docs/label/2009/020281s032s033lbl.pdf .
https://www.janssenlabels.com/package-insert/product-monograph/prescribing-information/ULTRAM-pi.pdf .
https://www.drugs.com/pro/ultram-er.html#ID_365b1978-d9d3-455a-a77d-35d0d54c02c1 .
https://pdf.hres.ca/dpd_pm/00045851.PDF .
https://www.medicines.org.uk/emc/files/pil.7123.pdf .
https://labeling.seqirus.com/PI/AU/Tramal/EN/Tramal-Product-Information.pdf .
https://www.seglentis.com/ .
https://dailymed.nlm.nih.gov/dailymed/lookup.cfm?setid=6d3b4049-2bfd-4874-b984-8fb231bff27c / https://www.tevausa.com/products/tramadolhydrochloridetabletsuspciv ( click view PI ).
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Haven't followed this thread, but is Bhanky just trying to defend/deny his opioid addiction?
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Haven't followed this thread, but is Bhanky just trying to defend/deny his opioid addiction?
Tramadol is not an opiod the same way as his bio-identical hormones are not steroids.
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Dr Hankins in the house! LOL ;D
Drug Addict Of Peace
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Tramadol absolutely exhibit cross tolerance with opiates/opioids. I mean ESFitness here said when he couldn't get tram he went on heroin. And it absolutely can make you itch, I'm rubbing my nose/face when I take it. I was also getting mild closed eye/open eye visuals from it. I was getting some type of effect where my field of vision was shaking and objects left trails after them, I thought this was probably the beginning of serotonin syndrome.
I can get Tramadol from my doctor anytime I want to
What do you think about the drug overall? I know you had your serotonin syndrome from it, but otherwise? I think it's absolutely amazing how it can change your mood dramatically instantly, in an antidepressant way. I know one dude who even posts here who claimed a doc prescribed it as an antidepressant.
Stopping it abruptly makes me have very high anxiety for a number of days, what I found was switching to Kratom for a few days helped in getting off, and Kratom is another opioid or opiate, I'm not sure which one.
It's an amazing drug ime but it is addicting.
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What do you think about the drug overall?
Its great for pain relief, its also a nice chilled sensation, only downsides is sometimes it makes me nauseous.
The serotonin syndrome was fucking horrible, I ended up shouting and screaming curled up in a fucking ball on the floor.
It was an overwhelming sensation of doom and dred.
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Its great for pain relief, its also a nice chilled sensation, only downsides is sometimes it makes me nauseous.
The serotonin syndrome was fucking horrible, I ended up shouting and screaming curled up in a fucking ball on the floor.
It was an overwhelming sensation of doom and dred.
Fuck that shit bro...I think I`d rather be in pain.
I constantly have a feeling of impending doom due to my anxiety and depression......I have learned to accept it and deal with it as best I can since the myriad of meds I`ve been on over the decades did very little to help.
The one that did help was killing people by damaging their livers so they took me off of it.....only take Diazapam these days as needed.......also taking real good Test and D-Bol, :D
Fuck it if I`, gonna die I`ll look good doing it. ;)
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Fuck that shit bro...I think I`d rather be in pain.
Its because I took it when I was taking anti-depressants, big no no apparently.
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Its because I took it when I was taking anti-depressants, big no no apparently.
Fuck anti--depressants....for me anyway they don`t do much.
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Fuck anti--depressants....for me anyway they don`t do much.
Felt better since I stopped mine last year
I just bury everything now and move on.
Im sure some poor fuck is going to be on the receiving end of all my built up anger at some point but fuck it, they will probably deserve it
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Fuck anti--depressants....for me anyway they don`t do much.
For me they don't do that much for depression, but they take away most panic anxiety, and those who've had it know it is absolutely fucking horrible and you can't live like that, if the attacks are frequent.
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Felt better since I stopped mine last year
I just bury everything now and move on.
Im sure some poor fuck is going to be on the receiving end of all my built up anger at some point but fuck it, they will probably deserve it
I flushed mine years ago.....I have learned to accept it and to deal with it......not in an always good way but fuck it....it`s better than my old method of being a blackout drunk and challenging bike gangs to a fight, or putting my head through drywall, or eating small animals and children for snacks, and waking up in another state......usually a drunken state. ;D
I can actually laugh at myself now but I do ask at times ,what the fuck was I thinking ???
I agree though,I fuck with no one.....I`m a lone wolf for the most part... so if I let loose on some dickhead it`ll be his funeral and my trial. LOL ;D
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Cardio is a very good antidepressant.
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For me they don't do that much for depression, but they take away most panic anxiety, and those who've had it know it is absolutely fucking horrible and you can't live like that, if the attacks are frequent.
Anxiety sux....I never feel comfortable in my own skin to use an old but fitting cliche` !!
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Cardio is a very good antidepressant.
My wife no longer fucks me. LOL ;D
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My wife no longer fucks me. LOL ;D
Maybe you can get her to jog with you a few miles instead. Not as fun but gets the job done.
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ro, ;)
Maybe you can get her to jog with you a few miles instead. Not as fun but gets the job done.
What a shitty idea bro. ;)
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Anxiety sux....I never feel comfortable in my own skin to use an old but fitting cliche` !!
Always feel the world looks threatening, even objects, and something is always lurking atound the corner that will fuck you up.
Then there's actual panic attacks, just one attack can leave you feeling very unsettled for days or even indefinitely. One pharma strategy to help long term against severe attacks or traumatic events is take beta blockers immediately after very bad experiences. Does something to block memory formation somehow, they have investigated their use in battlefield soldiers. You know how you can have an extreme reaction when you almost cause a traffic accident or almost died, if that panic doesn't settle after a few seconds it can leave you with PTSD.
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Always feel the world looks threatening, even objects, and something is always lurking atound the corner that will fuck you up.
Then there's actual panic attacks, just one attack can leave you feeling very unsettled for days or even indefinitely. One pharma strategy to help long term against severe attacks or traumatic events is take beta blockers immediately after very bad experiences. Does something to block memory formation somehow, they have investigated their use in battlefield soldiers. You know how you can have an extreme reaction when you almost cause a traffic accident or almost died, if that panic doesn't settle after a few seconds it can leave you with PTSD.
I already have been diagnosed with PTSD my friend.
Anxiety is a monster.....good luck !! ;)
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Brian Brian Brian....
https://www.drugs.com/article/tramadol-need-to-know.html
The most common side effects of tramadol:
- dizziness / vertigo
- nausea / vomiting
- constipation (can be more common in the elderly > 75 years)
- headache
- itching
- sleepiness, drowsiness
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This is factual shit people have posted about YOUR lack of recognizing that tramadol IS an opioid. Just because you took it for every little ache and pain doesn't mean your an expert on it. Should I go downtown chicago and find a meth addict and start asking them about meth because they have done it for years and years and years? Fucking asinine analogy.
Like I said....people know more than you but YOU want to argue until you have been shown you're wrong so many times and then run away like a little bitch.
Your statement right there doesn't exclude anyone. You are making a blanket statement....you didn't say "I get the itch"....so, you didn't use the WORD "everyone" but your comment MEANS everyone gets it.
I can do this all day and night with you. Expose you for the drug abusing little c.unt everyone here knows you are.
Are you stupid if a book and all the scientist say OJ is alcohol would you believe them or the alcoholic who tells you it isn't?
Tramdaol is not a fucking opioid sorry you don't know what the fuck you are talking about too fucking bad you don't believe someone who actually knows for 10000% certainty.
By all means go convince a meth head that marijuana is meth good luck with that
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Hankins, here are a bunch Packaging and Prescribing inserts from the makers of Ultram/Tramadol over the years, guess what they call Tamadol?! -
https://www.accessdata.fda.gov/drugsatfda_docs/label/2009/020281s032s033lbl.pdf .
https://www.janssenlabels.com/package-insert/product-monograph/prescribing-information/ULTRAM-pi.pdf .
https://www.drugs.com/pro/ultram-er.html#ID_365b1978-d9d3-455a-a77d-35d0d54c02c1 .
https://pdf.hres.ca/dpd_pm/00045851.PDF .
https://www.medicines.org.uk/emc/files/pil.7123.pdf .
https://labeling.seqirus.com/PI/AU/Tramal/EN/Tramal-Product-Information.pdf .
https://www.seglentis.com/ .
https://dailymed.nlm.nih.gov/dailymed/lookup.cfm?setid=6d3b4049-2bfd-4874-b984-8fb231bff27c / https://www.tevausa.com/products/tramadolhydrochloridetabletsuspciv ( click view PI ).
I don't give a fuck what the packaging says I am telling you with 1000% certainty it is not an opioid. They didnt know what the fuck to call it but since it is a painkiller of sorts and can be abused they just classified it as an opioid. It absolutely does not activate the opioid receptor in anyway at all
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Haven't followed this thread, but is Bhanky just trying to defend/deny his opioid addiction?
I have not had a pain killer in over a year however I have had 7 orthopedic surgeries I have been prescribed opioids for decades I know what is an opioid and what is not and tramadol is absolutely not
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Tramadol absolutely exhibit cross tolerance with opiates/opioids. I mean ESFitness here said when he couldn't get tram he went on heroin. And it absolutely can make you itch, I'm rubbing my nose/face when I take it. I was also getting mild closed eye/open eye visuals from it. I was getting some type of effect where my field of vision was shaking and objects left trails after them, I thought this was probably the beginning of serotonin syndrome.
What do you think about the drug overall? I know you had your serotonin syndrome from it, but otherwise? I think it's absolutely amazing how it can change your mood dramatically instantly, in an antidepressant way. I know one dude who even posts here who claimed a doc prescribed it as an antidepressant.
Stopping it abruptly makes me have very high anxiety for a number of days, what I found was switching to Kratom for a few days helped in getting off, and Kratom is another opioid or opiate, I'm not sure which one.
It's an amazing drug ime but it is addicting.
I won't touch it. If it was an opioid I would love it. Same with Kratom. Not an opioid. Does nothing to the opioid receptor at any dosage.
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Are you stupid if a book and all the scientist say OJ is alcohol would you believe them or the alcoholic who tells you it isn't?
Sounds exactly like when you were trying to argue a tomato is a vegetable just because a few marketing/government officials said say.
Meanwhile it's botanically a fruit
Shock and horror face Bhanky is a hypocrite
It’s is legally a culinary a vegetable you just want to argue asshile https://www.finedininglovers.com/article/tomato-fruit-or-vegetable
www.eufic.org/en/healthy-living/article/is-a-tomato-a-fruit-or-a-vegetable-and-why .
The botanical classification: Tomatoes are fruits.
The Tomato was born a fruit, and will die a fruit.
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Sounds exactly like you trying to argue a tomato is a vegetable just because a few marketing/government officials said say.
Meanwhile it's botanically a fruit
Shock and horror face Bhanky is a hypocrite
Actually you guy are the one arguing tramadol is a opioid because the government says so it is absolutely not an opioid.
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Actually you guy are the one arguing tramadol is a opioid because the government says so it is absolutely not an opioid.
You fucking idiot.
That's why I called you a hypocrite. You choose whichever side best fits your argument and go with that thus expose yourself as a hypocrite.
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Bhanky,
Should you get off the drugs?
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Humpty Dumpty Hankins
When I use a word,’ Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, ‘it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less.’
’The question is,’ said Alice, ‘whether you can make words mean so many different things.’
’The question is,’ said Humpty Dumpty, ‘which is to be master — that’s all.”
― Lewis Carroll, Through the Looking Glass
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Are you stupid if a book and all the scientist say OJ is alcohol would you believe them or the alcoholic who tells you it isn't?
Tramdaol is not a fucking opioid sorry you don't know what the fuck you are talking about too fucking bad you don't believe someone who actually knows for 10000% certainty.
By all means go convince a meth head that marijuana is meth good luck with that
Hmmm....the people who manufacture the drug and did trials on people say it causes itching but the great Brian Hankins doesn't get it so OBVIOUSLY they are lying and he is right.
Your analogy is a classic example of how stupid you are. Presented with all this evidence and proof yet you deny deny deny. Hmm...who is the the stupid one here?
Although tramadol is an opioid, its unique mechanism of action sets it apart from other opioids. It involves both opioid receptor activity and the inhibition of neurotransmitter reuptake. This provides pain relief effects similar to opioids but with a lower risk of causing histamine release. It can be used with caution in some cases.
. Tramadol differs from the other opioid analgesics in possessing monoaminergic activity in addition to its affinity for the µ opioid receptor. Many opioids are potent histamine releasers producing a variety of haemodynamic changes and anaphylactoid reactions, but the relationship of the appearance of these effects to the histamine plasma concentration is complex and there is no direct and invariable relationship between the two.
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I don't give a fuck what the packaging says I am telling you with 1000% certainty it is not an opioid. They didnt know what the fuck to call it but since it is a painkiller of sorts and can be abused they just classified it as an opioid. It absolutely does not activate the opioid receptor in anyway at all
Tramadol as an opioid is basically a pro-drug. It is the M1 metabolite that has the highest affinity to the mu-opioid receptor. Therefore, the opioid effects of tramadol depend on metabolization of the drug which can be highly variable.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%CE%9C-opioid_receptor
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK551554/
Hmmmm....so there's that.
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I won't touch it. If it was an opioid I would love it. Same with Kratom. Not an opioid. Does nothing to the opioid receptor at any dosage.
I lover Tram way more than the opioids I've tried. Oxy caused a very bummed out feeling in m at very low dosages, Tram is an instant antidepressant. It can also energize you, in some countries it's become a real problem among laborers. But what would you say causes the subjective effects of both Tram and Kratom? Why do so many say Kratom can have almost miraculous effects on some who come off opiates and opioids, being almost a replacement? Not as strong as heroin or Oxy or Fent but can help some stay off those. Why did ESFitness go to heroin when he couldn't get Tram?
Do you get no effects whatsoever from Kratom? If I take enough of it has very pronounced effects, initally I thought it didn't do much but I found it definitely did at higher dosages.
The 7-mitragynine hits some of the very same receptors as Oxy and Fent. Why would the scientists lie about it? It also causes some constipation just like opiates.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/recreational-drug-kratom-hits-the-same-brain-receptors-as-strong-opioids/
Lots of testimonials of guys saying they became very dependant on it, like on professionalmuscle. What is causing the addiction if not opioid pathways? It's also interesting how Kratom removes any withdrawals when getting off Tramadol.
One problem with Tram is the very real seizure risk, especially above like 400 milligrams. One guy I know was diagnosed as an epileptic after abusing Tram. He was getting seizures at the Police station and other public places, once docs had to put benzos in his ass to relieve the seizure. So Tram is not a drug to use very high dosages of.
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I lover Tram way more than the opioids I've tried. Oxy caused a very bummed out feeling in m at very low dosages, Tram is an instant antidepressant. It can also energize you, in some countries it's become a real problem among laborers. But what would you say causes the subjective effects of both Tram and Kratom? Why do so many say Kratom can have almost miraculous effects on some who come off opiates and opioids, being almost a replacement? Not as strong as heroin or Oxy or Fent but can help some stay off those. Why did ESFitness go to heroin when he couldn't get Tram?
Do you get no effects whatsoever from Kratom? If I take enough of it has very pronounced effects, initally I thought it didn't do much but I found it definitely did at higher dosages.
The 7-mitragynine hits some of the very same receptors as Oxy and Fent. Why would the scientists lie about it? It also causes some constipation just like opiates.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/recreational-drug-kratom-hits-the-same-brain-receptors-as-strong-opioids/
Lots of testimonials of guys saying they became very dependant on it, like on professionalmuscle. What is causing the addiction if not opioid pathways? It's also interesting how Kratom removes any withdrawals when getting off Tramadol.
One problem with Tram is the very real seizure risk, especially above like 400 milligrams. One guy I know was diagnosed as an epileptic after abusing Tram. He was getting seizures at the Police station and other public places, once docs had to put benzos in his ass to relieve the seizure. So Tram is not a drug to use very high dosages of.
I take Kratom periodically for anxiety. It has never made me addicted, even recently when I took it daily for 8 months.
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Tramadol absolutely exhibit cross tolerance with opiates/opioids. I mean ESFitness here said when he couldn't get tram he went on heroin. And it absolutely can make you itch, I'm rubbing my nose/face when I take it. I was also getting mild closed eye/open eye visuals from it. I was getting some type of effect where my field of vision was shaking and objects left trails after them, I thought this was probably the beginning of serotonin syndrome.
What do you think about the drug overall? I know you had your serotonin syndrome from it, but otherwise? I think it's absolutely amazing how it can change your mood dramatically instantly, in an antidepressant way. I know one dude who even posts here who claimed a doc prescribed it as an antidepressant.
Stopping it abruptly makes me have very high anxiety for a number of days, what I found was switching to Kratom for a few days helped in getting off, and Kratom is another opioid or opiate, I'm not sure which one.
It's an amazing drug ime but it is addicting.
It’s not an opiate because it does not come from the opium poppy, so therefore is an opioid.
Bhankins do you think all these people who say they get itching are pharma plants?
Are they just making it up? https://www.reddit.com/r/Interstitialcystitis/s/wu6Uhcz8Jz
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It’s not an opiate because it does not come from the opium poppy,
Yes
I take Kratom periodically for anxiety. It has never made me addicted, even recently when I took it daily for 8 months.
That's good. I do get some withdrawals, so some physical dependence. One guy I know had a huge problem with it but I think at that time the hardest hitting "extracts" were actually spiked with tramadol analogues, so there's a possibility his wasn't pure. These days I'm almost positive some Kratom extracts are spiked with synthetic mitragynine, it's only logical for the sellers.
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I lover Tram way more than the opioids I've tried. Oxy caused a very bummed out feeling in m at very low dosages, Tram is an instant antidepressant. It can also energize you, in some countries it's become a real problem among laborers. But what would you say causes the subjective effects of both Tram and Kratom? Why do so many say Kratom can have almost miraculous effects on some who come off opiates and opioids, being almost a replacement? Not as strong as heroin or Oxy or Fent but can help some stay off those. Why did ESFitness go to heroin when he couldn't get Tram?
Do you get no effects whatsoever from Kratom? If I take enough of it has very pronounced effects, initally I thought it didn't do much but I found it definitely did at higher dosages.
The 7-mitragynine hits some of the very same receptors as Oxy and Fent. Why would the scientists lie about it? It also causes some constipation just like opiates.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/recreational-drug-kratom-hits-the-same-brain-receptors-as-strong-opioids/
Lots of testimonials of guys saying they became very dependant on it, like on professionalmuscle. What is causing the addiction if not opioid pathways? It's also interesting how Kratom removes any withdrawals when getting off Tramadol.
One problem with Tram is the very real seizure risk, especially above like 400 milligrams. One guy I know was diagnosed as an epileptic after abusing Tram. He was getting seizures at the Police station and other public places, once docs had to put benzos in his ass to relieve the seizure. So Tram is not a drug to use very high dosages of.
I have taken more than enough kratom and tram to tell you they are not opioids.
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It’s not an opiate because it does not come from the opium poppy, so therefore is an opioid.
Bhankins do you think all these people who say they get itching are pharma plants?
Are they just making it up? https://www.reddit.com/r/Interstitialcystitis/s/wu6Uhcz8Jz
A itch is not an opioid itch again I am not saying it is not a drug and people dont abuse it I am not denying it is a painkiller and causes some people to itch. I am 1k percent certain it is not an opioid.
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I am 1k percent certain it is not an opioid.
Come on man :-\
The research says it is and users say it is and people get very very addicted to it and a VERY abused drug in some countris like here in Sweden. After just a couple of days you can get some physical dependence, give some previously opioid or opiate addicted Tram and most will have rebound withdrawals after just one single dose, because they are susceptible to it having been addicted to opioids. In countries like Egypt the sentences for Tram are VERY stiif, because many laborers are addicted to it.
Have you tried tianeptine, a nonclassed (I think) antidepressant? Very definite opioid effect when dose at about 100mg.
Kratom is definitely an opioid, lots of people addicted. Some may not get much of an effect, I speculate because they don't get much uptake through the stomach. Again why are so many previously opiate addicts say they get relief from it, and why do they get withdrawals when stopping even after one or a few doses? Previously addicted are much more likely to experience rebound effects after even one dose, both from Tram and Kratom (same with alcohol, benzos etc). I've been on it for several months now and feel the rebound effects 12 hours after dosing so I take it twice daily, if not I have trouble sleeping and some anxiety.
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Come on man :-\
The research says it is and users say it is and people get very very addicted to it and a VERY abused drug in some countris like here in Sweden. After just a couple of days you can get some physical dependence, give some previously opioid or opiate addicted Tram and most will have rebound withdrawals after just one single dose, because they are susceptible to it having been addicted to opioids. In countries like Egypt the sentences for Tram are VERY stiif, because many laborers are addicted to it.
Have you tried tianeptine, a nonclassed (I think) antidepressant? Very definite opioid effect when dose at about 100mg.
Kratom is definitely an opioid, lots of people addicted. Some may not get much of an effect, I speculate because they don't get much uptake through the stomach. Again why are so many previously opiate addicts say they get relief from it, and why do they get withdrawals when stopping even after one or a few doses? Previously addicted are much more likely to experience rebound effects after even one dose, both from Tram and Kratom (same with alcohol, benzos etc).
Oh for fucksake I drank a gallon of that super opium concentrate just last year giving itone last chance shit I have been hearing that bullshit for 2 decades now. It is absolutely not an opioid waste of money.
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Oh for fucksake I drank a gallon of that super opium concentrate just last year giving itone last chance shit I have been hearing that bullshit for 2 decades now. It is absolutely not an opioid waste of money.
Or maybe your stomach issues make you not have much uptake through the stomach? Why would so many testify to its "opiate like effects" orherwise?
But actually not much reason for you to respond, I know you won't change your mind, me either.
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Tramadol, sold under the brand name Ultram among others, is an opioid pain medication
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tramadol
Bhanky,
Are you confusing this with Toradol which is a NSAID?
https://www.stack.com/a/how-dangerous-is-toradol-the-nfl-pain-fix-known-as-vitamin-t/
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Or maybe your stomach issues make you not have much uptake through the stomach? Why would so many testify to its "opiate like effects" orherwise?
But actually not much reason for you to respond, I know you won't change your mind, me either.
Again I am 1k percent certain. Drs put me on opiates at 17 years old. I have had so many injuries and surgeries. I know an opiate. I have passed on tramadol and kratom a million times. I have never ever turned down and opiate not once. They are not opiates. I wish they were I would drive to the head shop right now and fill the car with Kratom if only it were so easy.
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Again I am 1k percent certain. Drs put me on opiates at 17 years old. I have had so many injuries and surgeries. I know an opiate. I have passed on tramadol and kratom a million times. I have never ever turned down and opiate not once. They are not opiates. I wish they were I would drive to the head shop right now and fill the car with Kratom if only it were so easy.
Spoken like a true addict
With all this black and fucking white proof that Tramadol is considered an opioid....yet you still want to die on that sword. Wow...just wow. Ask Em if it is an opioid. She works in the field (so to speak).
Taking this a step further....you do NOT consider your bio-identical shit a drug...and not performance enhancing. With that in mind, why do you not argue with SCN officials and sign up for the tested events if you feel that strongly?
You rely on drugs and substances for EVERYTHING you weak ass bitch....plain and simple.
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Spoken like a true addict
With all this black and fucking white proof that Tramadol is considered an opioid....yet you still want to die on that sword. Wow...just wow. Ask Em if it is an opioid. She works in the field (so to speak).
Taking this a step further....you do NOT consider your bio-identical shit a drug...and not performance enhancing. With that in mind, why do you not argue with SCN officials and sign up for the tested events if you feel that strongly?
You rely on drugs and substances for EVERYTHING you weak ass bitch....plain and simple.
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Again I am 1k percent certain. Drs put me on opiates at 17 years old. I have had so many injuries and surgeries. I know an opiate. I have passed on tramadol and kratom a million times. I have never ever turned down and opiate not once. They are not opiates. I wish they were I would drive to the head shop right now and fill the car with Kratom if only it were so easy.
Why anyone would turn down Tramadol beats me ??? But actually there could be reasons, like one has a seizure disorder, it doesn't go well with other medication, or if for some reason one just doesn't like the type of buzz, maybe too stimulating or whatever. BUT it is one potent drug but I was pushing dose as well, 200-300mg in the morning. At night I was having issues, visual effects and this buzzing type feel like bees in my brain lol. But so magnificent for improving mood, especially in the morning. I would take phenibut and DMAA (do not recommend for safety reasons) with it sometimes and in 20 mins I just laid on the bed and had these waves of euphoria hitting me, seemed to originate from my feet and up lol
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You are quite the drug addict, Van.
Is life really that difficult for you?
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Come on man :-\
The research says it is and users say it is and people get very very addicted to it and a VERY abused drug in some countris like here in Sweden. After just a couple of days you can get some physical dependence, give some previously opioid or opiate addicted Tram and most will have rebound withdrawals after just one single dose, because they are susceptible to it having been addicted to opioids. In countries like Egypt the sentences for Tram are VERY stiif, because many laborers are addicted to it.
Have you tried tianeptine, a nonclassed (I think) antidepressant? Very definite opioid effect when dose at about 100mg.
Kratom is definitely an opioid, lots of people addicted. Some may not get much of an effect, I speculate because they don't get much uptake through the stomach. Again why are so many previously opiate addicts say they get relief from it, and why do they get withdrawals when stopping even after one or a few doses? Previously addicted are much more likely to experience rebound effects after even one dose, both from Tram and Kratom (same with alcohol, benzos etc). I've been on it for several months now and feel the rebound effects 12 hours after dosing so I take it twice daily, if not I have trouble sleeping and some anxiety.
I’ve heard a lot of horror stories about that stuff.
I’m warning you Bhank’s don’t f*ck with it..
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After fucking up my life for a few decades I have to say that I feel good reading this bullshit from Hanky cuz it makes me feel great to be clean and sober.
He would never turn down an opiate ??? WTF ???
Dude`s a stone cold junkie or a junkie in the making......meanwhile I`m grinding it out, eating good, in preparation to win my pro-card at 70 looking younger than Brian does right now,today,this very minute....that`s what counts right Brian?
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Again I am 1k percent certain. Drs put me on opiates at 17 years old. I have had so many injuries and surgeries. I know an opiate. I have passed on tramadol and kratom a million times. I have never ever turned down and opiate not once. They are not opiates. I wish they were I would drive to the head shop right now and fill the car with Kratom if only it were so easy.
You are a drug addict with more experience than most normal people.
And you are playing games with words because you are a narcissistic retard.
But you can absolutely fail a drug test for Tram or Kratom depending on the test they administer.
And you know this for a fact, but you are too much of a child to admit it.
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Spoken like a true addict
With all this black and fucking white proof that Tramadol is considered an opioid....yet you still want to die on that sword. Wow...just wow. Ask Em if it is an opioid. She works in the field (so to speak).
Taking this a step further....you do NOT consider your bio-identical shit a drug...and not performance enhancing. With that in mind, why do you not argue with SCN officials and sign up for the tested events if you feel that strongly?
You rely on drugs and substances for EVERYTHING you weak ass bitch....plain and simple.
are you suggesting shes a scarecrow?
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I have not had a pain killer in over a year however I have had 7 orthopedic surgeries I have been prescribed opioids for decades I know what is an opioid and what is not and tramadol is absolutely not
I give him credit, he had a hernia operation in the last year (August?) and apparently took no pain killers.
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are you suggesting shes a scarecrow?
Hahahhahahhahahhahahahaa
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After fucking up my life for a few decades I have to say that I feel good reading this bullshit from Hanky cuz it makes me feel great to be clean and sober.
He would never turn down an opiate ??? WTF ???
Dude`s a stone cold junkie or a junkie in the making......meanwhile I`m grinding it out, eating good, in preparation to win my pro-card at 70 looking younger than Brian does right now,today,this very minute....that`s what counts right Brian?
I am in stage ready condition today. I would never turn down an opiate because I have chronic pain. I also use them with restraint. I do not like to feel sick or high or nausuea I like to not feel my lower back pain. I will take one painkiller before training back or legs not crush up 5 and snort them. But I also dont hang out with drug addicts and dealers. I have not had an opiate since last summer when prescribed.
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After fucking up my life for a few decades I have to say that I feel good reading this bullshit from Hanky cuz it makes me feel great to be clean and sober.
He would never turn down an opiate ??? WTF ???
Dude`s a stone cold junkie or a junkie in the making......meanwhile I`m grinding it out, eating good, in preparation to win my pro-card at 70 looking younger than Brian does right now,today,this very minute....that`s what counts right Brian?
Bhanks would give ESfitness a run for his money.
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You are a drug addict with more experience than most normal people.
And you are playing games with words because you are a narcissistic retard.
But you can absolutely fail a drug test for Tram or Kratom depending on the test they administer.
And you know this for a fact, but you are too much of a child to admit it.
Are you daft? you can take as much of kratom as you can get your hands on it will absolutely not register as an opiate on a drug test. You are wrong. Tramadol will also not register as an opiate on a drug screen either. Thank you because you have proven my point they are not opiates.
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I’ve heard a lot of horror stories about that stuff.
I’m warning you Bhank’s don’t f*ck with it..
I have tried tramadol it does absolutely nothing for me at any dosage don't like it won't take it again
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I am in stage ready condition today. I would never turn down an opiate because I have chronic pain. I also use them with restraint. I do not like to feel sick or high or nausuea I like to not feel my lower back pain. I will take one painkiller before training back or legs not crush up 5 and snort them. But I also dont hang out with drug addicts and dealers. I have not had an opiate since last summer when prescribed.
What effect does weed have on your pain ?? IME, and some others, it can actually affect how pain "reverberates" increasing pain or emotional processing of that pain or any pain like in emotional pain, trauma etc. But I know many also say it decreases pain in a big way. Opiates and opioids decrease the sensation of pain numbing you emotionally, unlike weed. Some say they don't decrease pain exactly, just the "caring" about it so to say. Many specialists say opiates shouldn't be used in back pain, especially long term as they also increase pain eventually, actually sensitizing your pain receptors. I was looking at treatments for back pain, something affectin me right now in a big way, not lower back but up between my shoulders, possible hernia, waiting for a xray appointment right now. Docs were discouraging me about xrays or MRIs because "we actually don't, and can't, do much wrt to back pain, except surgery in some cases but they will most likely not operate on you anyway."
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What effect does weed have on your pain ?? IME, and some others, it can actually affect how pain "reverberates" increasing pain or emotional processing of that pain or any pain like in emotional pain, trauma etc. But I know many also say it decreases pain in a big way. Opiates and opioids decrease the sensation of pain numbing you emotionally, unlike weed. Some say they don't decrease pain exactly, just the "caring" about it so to say. Many specialists say opiates shouldn't be used in back pain, especially long term as they also increase pain eventually, actually sensitizing your pain receptors. I was looking at treatments for back pain, something affectin me right now in a big way, not lower back but up between my shoulders, possible hernia, waiting for a xray appointment right now. Docs were discouraging me about xrays or MRIs because "we actually don't, and can't, do much wrt to back pain, except surgery in some cases but they will most likely not operate on you anyway."
As far as I am concerned opiates are the only real painkillers everything else is bullshit. Do they stop the pain no they mask it.
As far as marijuana it is not a painkiller. However it is an anti inflammatory just like advil not a painkiller either but can help with headaches and such due to its anti-inflammatory properties. I use cannabis primarily for my stomach and digestion issues not pain management. I use ice and heat for pain management for example I have a suana a cold pool, ice packs, jacuzzi and heating pads. I use a combination of those daily. I am not taking any pills or medicines for pain.
Taking the weight off the back helps that is why I will go to my pool and just stand it in for an hour or I will use a donut float and hang my arms over the sides kind of like inversion therapy but with a pool. The idea being my weight of my legs dangling stretches out the vertebrae. When the back get tight I lay down or take a jacuzzi or go to the pool or suana but I don't just do nothign and let it get worse
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As far as I am concerned opiates are the only real painkillers everything else is bullshit. Do they stop the pain no they mask it.
As far as marijuana it is not a painkiller. However it is an anti inflammatory just like advil not a painkiller either but can help with headaches and such due to its anti-inflammatory properties. I use cannabis primarily for my stomach and digestion issues not pain management. I use ice and heat for pain management for example I have a suana a cold pool, ice packs, jacuzzi and heating pads. I use a combination of those daily. I am not taking any pills or medicines for pain.
Taking the weight off the back helps that is why I will go to my pool and just stand it in for an hour or I will use a donut float and hang my arms over the sides kind of like inversion therapy but with a pool. The idea being my weight of my legs dangling stretches out the vertebrae. When the back get tight I lay down or take a jacuzzi or go to the pool or suana but I don't just do nothign and let it get worse
I'm using a lot of antioxidants post workout now that I'm training harder and and fish oil, sometimes weed etc.
I will take vitamin C, tart cherry, taurine etc post workout, all these have been shown to reduce DOMS. As you know antiinflammatories have also been shown to actually decreas exercise adaptation which should be bad but there is inflammation that becomes too much, limits workout recovery and training frequency. Cold showers and plunges have been shown to sometimes be detrimental too, but damn it feels good especially postworkout.
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I'm using a lot of antioxidants post workout now that I'm training harder and and fish oil, sometimes weed etc.
I will take vitamin C, tart cherry, taurine etc post workout, all these have been shown to reduce DOMS. As you know antiinflammatories have also been shown to actually decreas exercise adaptation which should be bad but there is inflammation that becomes too much, limits workout recovery and training frequency. Cold showers and plunges have been shown to sometimes be detrimental too, but damn it feels good especially postworkout.
yes I have heard people say you need inflammation for growth and you should not reduce it with NSAID. I do not take NSAID. but I also don't think I need inflammation in my lower back or knees for growth. You need mobility to train and you don't have it when you have inflammation and stiffness. That is why a small workout for movement is better than nothing If I don't wait long enough to recover I am still stiff from last workout. However if I wait too long I get stiffer there is a narrow window when I am good again and it is around a week. The day I feel good I train as I may feel stiff if I wait longer.
HGH will also cause fluid retention which helps a lot with arthritis. Even increasing sodium to get a little more retention can help. When in doubt cocoon for the win. If you are feeling beat up take some day time naps take a couple days off increase your sodium and calories.
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I am in stage ready condition today. I would never turn down an opiate because I have chronic pain. I also use them with restraint. I do not like to feel sick or high or nausuea I like to not feel my lower back pain. I will take one painkiller before training back or legs not crush up 5 and snort them. But I also dont hang out with drug addicts and dealers. I have not had an opiate since last summer when prescribed.
I knew....key word being knew,a lot of opiate junkies that sounded,key word being sounded,just like you do.
You can shoot a bag of dope in my honor when I win my pro-card. ;)
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I knew....key word being knew a lot of opiate junkies that sounded,key word being sounded.....just like you do.
You can shoot a bag of dope in my honor when I win my pro-card. ;)
Lol I would like 1-2 painkillers that is it. I do not shoot dope. However if given a bottle of nubain I could probably run through a ninja warrior course in half the time
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Lol I would like 1-2 painkillers that is it. I do not shoot dope. However if given a bottle of nubain I could probably run through a ninja warrior course in half the time
You`re not a very smart person after all,not that you haven`t proved that on many occasions, but now you're just being plain old fucking stupid.
Have fun in your next drug induced stupor.....in the meantime,in between time,I`ll be training like a demon and eating like a Spartan.
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As far as I am concerned opiates are the only real painkillers everything else is bullshit. Do they stop the pain no they mask it.
thats probably the stupidest thing you have ever written
If its masked it means you cant feel it , if you cant feel it then its stopped.
I think you mean pain killers mask but don't cure.
At least I hope that's what you meant
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You`re not a very smart person after all,not that you haven`t proved that on many occasions, but now you're just being plain old fucking stupid.
Have fun in your next drug induced stupor.....in the meantime,in between time,I`ll be training like a demon and eating like a Spartan.
I have not been in a drug induced stupor since a phish show in college 25 years ago. I have not had a pain killer since last July when prescribed. I don't even drink. I limit myself to one caffeinated beverage a day. I quit marijuana years ago and only use legal cannabis products which are nowhere near as strong. I also gave up real bacon and sausage in the mornings for turkey bacon and hashbrowns, and I switched from Ribeye to New York as I am reducing my animal fat consumption. I am contest ready now.
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thats probably the stupidest thing you have ever written
If its masked it means you cant feel it , if you cant feel it then its stopped.
I think you mean pain killers mask but don't cure.
At least I hope that's what you meant
A nerve block would stop the pain without curing the underlying issue. A pain killer numbs the pain without curing the underlying issue. You can still feel pain on opioids it is just more manageable.
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A nerve block would stop the pain.
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That has nothing to do with your original gaff
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I have not been in a drug induced stupor since a phish show in college 25 years ago. I have not had a pain killer since last July when prescribed. I don't even drink. I limit myself to one caffeinated beverage a day. I quit marijuana years ago and only use legal cannabis products which are nowhere near as strong. I also gave up real bacon and sausage in the mornings for turkey bacon and hashbrowns, and I switched from Ribeye to New York as I am reducing my animal fat consumption. I am contest ready now.
You use Cannibas....nevermind fuckhead,I`m not doing this shit for 3 more years again with your dumb ass. ;D
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I have not been in a drug induced stupor since a phish show in college 25 years ago. I have not had a pain killer since last July when prescribed. I don't even drink. I limit myself to one caffeinated beverage a day. I quit marijuana years ago and only use legal cannabis products which are nowhere near as strong. I also gave up real bacon and sausage in the mornings for turkey bacon and hashbrowns, and I switched from Ribeye to New York as I am reducing my animal fat consumption. I am contest ready now.
You were seeing cartoon dogs this time last year, or was that a lie you have forgotten about?
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I didn't say I was going to make the cover of GQ magazine. I said I had some a hair on my head.
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If you`re contest ready, and no doctor in the known free world who cannot perform miracles can fix your pec,jump into the Masters Nats.....you need a good wake up call to humble you,and I could use a good laugh.
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You`re not a very smart person after all,not that you haven`t proved that on many occasions, but now you're just being plain old fucking stupid.
Have fun in your next drug induced stupor.....in the meantime,in between time,I`ll be training like a demon and eating like a Spartan.
"They" said Nubain actually helped a lot, at least in the beginning. Made you'd be able to train with a lot more intensity, although Nasser said these people on Nubain trained like granmas, but the pot
ential is there for it to help. In the begining as I said.
Last workout I only did a couple of sets of leg presses and leg extensions each. I got that intense burn you will get when doing high rep leg extensions to failure, and it didn't let up for like 10 minutes, nothing I did helped, standing, sitting down, whatever, it was intense. Would have like to get in the shower to shoot my legs with cold water but I was immobilized. As I was laying on the floor in absolute hell lol, and as my partner asked me if he could help in any way as I was telling him as I complained of intens epain that didn't let up lol, I wondered in my mind if a shot of Nubain preworkout would have helped? Probably not I figured. My partner had Tramadol and Ibuprofen but I said that would take at least 30 minutes to even start working. Would a shot of Nubain either preworkout or in that very moment help? But the thing is if it DID help I might have pushed myself into rhabdomyolysis or death LOL. There is that possibility even with something like "DADA" or something like that, according to Alex Kikel, I can't find what it refers to. Anyone, maybe bhanks since he has delved into research chems?
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Crazy stuff Van.....Vitamin C will aid in recovery. ;D
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I quit marijuana years ago and only use legal cannabis products which are nowhere near as strong.
I only tried something called HHC-O and that was nearly identical to weed. And I had regular weed at the same time I bought that HHC vape pen. They say delta-8 is basically the same as regular weed as it converts to THC at combustion, so I don't buy that " weaker" claim :D
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I have not been in a drug induced stupor since a phish show in college 25 years ago. I have not had a pain killer since last July when prescribed. I don't even drink. I limit myself to one caffeinated beverage a day. I quit marijuana years ago and only use legal cannabis products which are nowhere near as strong. I also gave up real bacon and sausage in the mornings for turkey bacon and hashbrowns, and I switched from Ribeye to New York as I am reducing my animal fat consumption. I am contest ready now.
Does your "legal cannabis" contain THC?
You have dropped 25lb since your last show three weeks ago?
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I only tried something called HHC-O and that was nearly identical to weed. And I had regular weed at the same time I bought that HHC vape pen. They say delta-8 is basically the same as regular weed as it converts to THC at combustion, so I don't buy that " weaker" claim :D
This is incorrect THC-A turns into THC upon combustion. Delta 8 is a type of THC the type that is illegal in some states is Delta 9. Delta 8 is absolutely much milder than Delta 9. HHC-O is completely lab created unlike delta 8 and THC-A which are naturally occurring in hemp. THC-A is considered the closest to Delta 9 however again it is not as strong.
So yes legal cannabanoids are weaker however close enough without the headache of legal issues.
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This is incorrect THC-A turns into THC upon combustion. Delta 8 is a type of THC the type that is illegal in some states is Delta 9. Delta 8 is absolutely much milder than Delta 9. HHC-O is completely lab created unlike delta 8 and THC-A which are naturally occurring in hemp. THC-A is considered the closest to Delta 9 however again it is not as strong.
So yes legal cannabanoids are weaker however close enough without the headache of legal issues.
Ah, must haven been the Delta-9 I was reading about?
The Delta-8 is NOT cannabis or hemp extracted as it's not SIGNIFICANTLY found in either of those so it's a synthetic product synthesized in a lab that is in those products. The hemp flowers are most likely sprayed with synthetic delta-8 or delta-9 or THC-A. BTW, there are over 100 variants of cannabinoids found in cannabis. Is delta-8 "natural," well it's for everyone to decide for themselves. There have also been some adverse effects. I know defenders will claim it simply involved involuntary intoxication which is naturally alarming to the uninitiated.
The pure CBD found in products is not extracted from hemp either, it's a lab animal.
https://www.fda.gov/consumers/consumer-updates/5-things-know-about-delta-8-tetrahydrocannabinol-delta-8-thc
Might try the THC-A only because it can be consumed through vape pens publicly without a cannabis odor.
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Ah, must haven been the Delta-9 I was reading about?
The Delta-8 is NOT cannabis or hemp extracted as it's not SIGNIFICANTLY found in either of those so it's a synthetic product synthesized in a lab that is in those products. The hemp flowers are most likely sprayed with synthetic delta-8 or delta-9 or THC-A. BTW, there are over 100 variants of cannabinoids found in cannabis. Is delta-8 "natural," well it's for everyone to decide for themselves. There have also been some adverse effects. I know defenders will claim it simply involved involuntary intoxication which is naturally alarming to the uninitiated.
The pure CBD found in products is not extracted from hemp either, it's a lab animal.
https://www.fda.gov/consumers/consumer-updates/5-things-know-about-delta-8-tetrahydrocannabinol-delta-8-thc
Might try the THC-A only because it can be consumed through vape pens publicly without a cannabis odor.
Oh yeah vape pens are the way to go. Get a cannabinoid mix with thc-a and thc-p delta 8 and live resin. What they are finding is each cannabinoid has unique properties a mix is best.
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What effect does weed have on your pain ?? IME, and some others, it can actually affect how pain "reverberates" increasing pain or emotional processing of that pain or any pain like in emotional pain, trauma etc. But I know many also say it decreases pain in a big way. Opiates and opioids decrease the sensation of pain numbing you emotionally, unlike weed. Some say they don't decrease pain exactly, just the "caring" about it so to say. Many specialists say opiates shouldn't be used in back pain, especially long term as they also increase pain eventually, actually sensitizing your pain receptors. I was looking at treatments for back pain, something affectin me right now in a big way, not lower back but up between my shoulders, possible hernia, waiting for a xray appointment right now. Docs were discouraging me about xrays or MRIs because "we actually don't, and can't, do much wrt to back pain, except surgery in some cases but they will most likely not operate on you anyway."
Xrays won't show anything for hernia. If it is between your shoulder blades, one of the things to look at is the cervical region. Referral pain from mid spine is very common. C4 - C6 most likely. What those guys say about back pain is right. They don't know how handle it unless it is through surgery or pharma. In addition, the likelyhood of a fusion helping is being shown to be less and less. The fuse two segments and the resulting compensatory degeneration is accelerated.
Regarding chronic pain....one of the things that can happen is the brain gets so used to being in pain that even if the tissues become healed, the brain still thinks the area is damaged and the pain centers light up. If there truly is damage that isn't healing (for example a disc that has turned from just a herniation to extrusion) that disc emits cytokines which tell the body there is damage, this in turn causes more release of the neuropeptide substance P (p for pain...literally). Substance P has been implicated in the the initiation of the addictive response to opioids. So, in a way its a double edge sword.
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I will say this is correct once your body gets used to opioids it will create pain that isn't there to get opioids again a reason to be an adult and take 1-2 painkillers when needed for everyday function. Once the pain is no longer acute drop the opioids and stick to cannabis.
But if used as an adult you will not have issues mankind has been safely using opioids for thousands of years. No one said to have no self control and take it until you get sick. But taking a pain killer when your back hurts is not going to turn you into a heroin junky.
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A nerve block would stop the pain without curing the underlying issue. A pain killer numbs the pain without curing the underlying issue. You can still feel pain on opioids it is just more manageable.
Incorrect on so many counts. Medial branch blocks have a 50% (at best) success rate. Why do you think insurance companies limit you to three a year?
Understanding the cause of the pain is the tricky part. You sit here and complain about how bad you back is...how you have to take a painkiller every workout...talk about how you have to do all these therapies and interventions to manage it...but don't stop to think that your training is absolutely, without question, exacerbating it. There is plenty of evidence that carrying higher bodyweight (re read that brian...I said bodyweight...meaning in general) is something that can cause back pain.
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Incorrect on so many counts. Medial branch blocks have a 50% (at best) success rate. Why do you think insurance companies limit you to three a year?
Understanding the cause of the pain is the tricky part. You sit here and complain about how bad you back is...how you have to take a painkiller every workout...talk about how you have to do all these therapies and interventions to manage it...but don't stop to think that your training is absolutely, without question, exacerbating it. There is plenty of evidence that carrying higher bodyweight (re read that brian...I said bodyweight...meaning in general) is something that can cause back pain.
Never said that. I have not taken a pain killer since last July. Meanwhile I work out eod at a minimum. I am not carrying dead bodyweight adding muscle protects your lower back and knees.
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I've not had a pain killer in over a year.
I haven't had an opiate since last summer.
The name of this thread should be changed to "The Thread that proves Hankins is a liar and a drug addict". He better hope Dr. Hamburger chest doesn't see all this drug talk, he'll abandon his plan to fleece him and run for the hills so as not to get mixed up with him and his lying schemes.
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Never said that. I have not taken a pain killer since last July. Meanwhile I work out eod at a minimum. I am not carrying dead bodyweight adding muscle protects your lower back and knees.
I never said dead bodyweight....you persist on "trying" to get bigger. Something your body doesn't WANT to do, thus your need for more and more of whatever the fuck you take. If adding this muscle protects your low back, why the fuck are you complaining about how bad your back is? There's some logic.
Being strong in the midline will help with stability...there's no doubt. You loading up the bar to levels you can't handle for a squat is NOT the thing to do for a back that is as bad as you say it is....let alone for your titanium knees.
You said (again in an unequivocal manner) that a nerve block would stop the pain. So, once again...you are wrong. Something you have a penchant for being.
Why are you avoiding the point Joe made about your cartoon dog episode recently? Was that because you were "medically too lean"?
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His brain is addled from all the drugs, he forgets how many reps by rep 11. He brags about a great comeback from having hernia surgery 6 months ago, then claims no pain killers in over a year.
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His brain is addled from all the drugs, he forgets how many reps by rep 11. He brags about a great comeback from having hernia surgery 6 months ago, then claims no pain killers in over a year.
What drugs, Brian takes no drugs.
Testosterone is not a steroid.
Tramadol is not an opioid.
delta-8 is not weed.
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It's growing again.
1. "sheared from the bone Tricep"
2. Restless Leg syndrome
3. Shaky hands from childhood
4. Bone on Bone knees and surgeries (Titanium/adamantium rods)
5. Torn right pec ("missing half a pec"; "a Chronic pec tear. I first tore it at 25 years old. I then tore it again at 40 and 43. The thing with Chronic pec tears is they keep happening")
6. Surgical re-attachment of right tricep
7. 3 Shoulder surgeries, one on the right side the other 2 were on the left side.
8. Cut bicep tendon from a shoulder surgery
9. Barrett’s esophagus
10. Gastroesophageal reflux disease (GERD)
11. Crohnes disease
12. Bile reflux
13. Hiatal hernia
14. Umbilical hernia
15. Polyps and cyst (pre-cancerous)
16. Bleeding ulcer
17. Bloody shits, nausea and indigestion and vomiting
18. shin splints in the forearms
19. magnesium and other mineral deficiencies
20. Stingray puncture of left or right foot (he can't remember, see dementia below and "225x15" and 7=10-11)
21. Anemia
22. Anxiety
23. Depression
24. Arthritis
25. Something with the neck from demolition derby (whiplash)
26. ACUTE Organ failure hacking up bile
27. Dementia/Alzheimers (possibly vaping induced)
28. Anorexia
29. "precancerous polyps and cyst throughout digestive system"
30. 2 Herniated bulging disc one lower back and one in the neck possibly causing nerve damage and atrophy on the right arm
31. Astigmatism
32. Broken toe from hopping out of bed
33. Possibly Infected veinless cutless bicep
34. Thrombosed Hemorrhoid
35. Missing esophageal sphincter
36. Male pattern baldness
37. Erectile dysfunction
38. Hands and arms completely numb in sleep
39. Bulimia
40. Agoraphobia (not Agorgophobia though)
41. Lactose Intolerant
42. Baker's cyst
43. Cleggian shoulder dislocation
44. Two-step "sliding knee"
45. "temporary Injury in the quad" (as of 6/28/23)
46. Throwing up in the morning (daily ritual before dbol breakfast)
47. Insomnia due to left shoulder aches
48. Legs still don't bend right
49. Starvation requiring midnight cooking meals
50. can’t hear out of left ear and there is a constant ringing
51. minor tendon strain pull in the right arm
52. Sore throat
53. Debilitating sunburn
54. 110 resting heartrate after coffee
55. Bench press shakes from Adrenalin or Sugar Imbalance
56. Elevated liver enzymes and high Hematocrit
57. Pituitary gland doesn’t seem to be making anything
58. Tennis elbow/stress fracture
59. Tweaked right bicep from setting denied World Record Strict Curling in wrong weight class
60. Red area around the [hernia operation] wound with some yellow puss and a swollen lymph node
61. Infected hernia side incisions
62. 2 cm meniscus tear
63. Tennis elbow requiring cortisone injections every 6 months for 2 years
64. Delts have been dislocated and they do not sit the same in the joint. One is always rolled forward and the other is always rolled backward.
65. abs hurt when he coughs
66. foreign objected surgically implanted into abdomen
67. Acute abdomen pain forcing two day break in post-surgery comeback training
68. Medically too lean
69. sick the last few mornings with acid reflux in ndigestuin and no appetite (sic)
70. Dead arm
71. Botched hernia operation
72. Brittle nails due to vitamin deficiency
73. Pain in abdomen from where he had a surgical implant
74. Throwing up bile on Thanksgiving morning
75. Dyslexia
76. Liposuction scars
77. Spends half the night passing gas
78. Painful peptic ulcer (of peace)
79. High blood pressure 200+/160+.
80. Passes blood for a month prior to bodybuilding shows
81. constant painful heartburn
82. cankor sores (those are typical signs something is wrong)
83. Fungus toenails (on Mongoloid toes)
84. mania
85. left shoulder is not entirely stable
86. Droopy left side of face/slurring while "taking the mustard to ya"
87. Throwing up a gallon of "black stuff"
88. Coughing up blood
89. Carpal tunnel in hands
90. Deviated Septum
91. Chronic back pain due to (??)
92. Opioid addiction
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Xrays won't show anything for hernia. If it is between your shoulder blades, one of the things to look at is the cervical region. Referral pain from mid spine is very common. C4 - C6 most likely. What those guys say about back pain is right. They don't know how handle it unless it is through surgery or pharma. In addition, the likelyhood of a fusion helping is being shown to be less and less. The fuse two segments and the resulting compensatory degeneration is accelerated.
Regarding chronic pain....one of the things that can happen is the brain gets so used to being in pain that even if the tissues become healed, the brain still thinks the area is damaged and the pain centers light up. If there truly is damage that isn't healing (for example a disc that has turned from just a herniation to extrusion) that disc emits cytokines which tell the body there is damage, this in turn causes more release of the neuropeptide substance P (p for pain...literally). Substance P has been implicated in the the initiation of the addictive response to opioids. So, in a way its a double edge sword.
Thanks. The reason for xray is, I think, that MRIs are way more costly, and the one who sent for the referral is a general practitioner.
What is your stance on avoiding flexion? What do you think of the Jefferson Curl?
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What drugs, Brian takes no drugs.
Testosterone is not a steroid.
Tramadol is not an opioid.
delta-8 is not weed.
I do not take tramadol and I also switched delta 8 out for THC-A but regardless it is legal cannabis not weed.
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If you`re contest ready, and no doctor in the known free world who cannot perform miracles can fix your pec,jump into the Masters Nats.....you need a good wake up call to humble you,and I could use a good laugh.
As I have previously stated 100 times whether or not I do Nationals this year is dependent on what the Doctor says and the timing of the sale of my house and move. Right now the chances of me entering a National Championship this year are about 50/50 The July show is not the only National Championship. I would like to compete this year but if I don't want to put off a pec repair. I also can't be prepping while selling a house and moving I need to get that done first.
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"They" said Nubain actually helped a lot, at least in the beginning. Made you'd be able to train with a lot more intensity, although Nasser said these people on Nubain trained like granmas, but the pot
ential is there for it to help. In the begining as I said.
Last workout I only did a couple of sets of leg presses and leg extensions each. I got that intense burn you will get when doing high rep leg extensions to failure, and it didn't let up for like 10 minutes, nothing I did helped, standing, sitting down, whatever, it was intense. Would have like to get in the shower to shoot my legs with cold water but I was immobilized. As I was laying on the floor in absolute hell lol, and as my partner asked me if he could help in any way as I was telling him as I complained of intens epain that didn't let up lol, I wondered in my mind if a shot of Nubain preworkout would have helped? Probably not I figured. My partner had Tramadol and Ibuprofen but I said that would take at least 30 minutes to even start working. Would a shot of Nubain either preworkout or in that very moment help? But the thing is if it DID help I might have pushed myself into rhabdomyolitis or death LOL. There is that possibility even with something like "DADA" or something like that, according to Alex Kikel, I can't find what it refers to. Anyone, maybe bhanks since he has delved into research chems?
Nubain is instant you take it intramuscularly or well about 15 seconds until it hits you. I have not had Nubain since college it has been a while. But yeah if you are fucking dying Nubain would be my top choice as it is basically pharmaceutical grade clean heroin. One difference with opioids is they make you digest slower so you actually get more nutrients and calories out of your food. You can still eat and get big and train it does not weaken your muscle and make you not eat if used with care. Again though we are talking about things to use when having an issue not on a regular basis. I do believe cold therapy and stretching help immensely.
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I've not had a pain killer in over a year.
I haven't had an opiate since last summer.
The name of this thread should be changed to "The Thread that proves Hankins is a liar and a drug addict". He better hope Dr. Hamburger chest doesn't see all this drug talk, he'll abandon his plan to fleece him and run for the hills so as not to get mixed up with him and his lying schemes.
I would gladly take a hair follicle drug test right that goes back 6 months there are no illegal substances in my system and no opioids or other prescriptions. The only thing in my system is legal THC and a little bit of caffeine. I haven't even had a drink in the last 6 months.
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Nubain is instant you take it intramuscularly or well about 15 seconds until it hits you. I have not had Nubain since college it has been a while. But yeah if you are fucking dying Nubain would be my top choice as it is basically pharmaceutical grade clean heroin. One difference with opioids is they make you digest slower so you actually get more nutrients and calories out of your food. You can still eat and get big and train it does not weaken your muscle and make you not eat if used with care. Again though we are talking about things to use when having an issue not on a regular basis. I do believe cold therapy and stretching help immensely.
Ok, though I can't most likely get it anyway, so... but I would definitely try it if I had access. Before bodybuilders started taking it there were basically no addiction seen when used at a hospital. But of course anyone can see the potential for addiction, duh.
One thing I just remembered, and it speaks to Tram's opioid-like effects. Dan Duchaine had a drug taper for getting off Nubain. It was to take the "nonaddictive" Tramadol for a number of days. But of course it was only nonaddictive when used very moderately by Rx, but the Duchaine taper does speak to its opioid effects, as he said the Tram was basically a full replacement for the Nubain... and the only reason is was because it is an...
I remember ESFitness spoke about the Duchaine taper, maybe he thought the Tram wouldn't be issue. Years prior he had been a heavy Nubain user. But once he started the Tram he was quickly addicted once again, he had to switch to heroin when his Rx dried up. So again, heroin was the cure for Tram WDs because both are...
I can say that even after just 2 days use of Tram I get very bad anxiety for like 7 days. Maybe because it has other effects than opioid mechanisms, but I believe it's mostly due to opioid withdrawals, and I have never been addicted to opioids or really taken any in any significant quantity but if I had been I'd most likely experience WTs from just one dose.
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Dan Duchaine had a drug taper for getting off Nubain. It was to take the "nonaddictive" Tramadol for a number of days. But of course it was only nonaddictive when used very moderately by Rx, but the Duchaine taper does speak to its opioid effects, as he said the Tram was basically a full replacement for the Nubain... and the only reason is was because it is an...
I remember ESFitness spoke about the Duchaine taper, maybe he thought the Tram wouldn't be issue. Years prior he had been a heavy Nubain user. But once he started the Tram he was quickly addicted once again, he had to switch to heroin when his Rx dried up. So again, heroin was the cure for Tram WDs because both are...
The "Duchaine Taper" - https://forums.rxmuscle.com/archive/index.php/t-1576.html .
That whole thread was ok, a snippit of old forum life.
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Just ignores that he lied about not having had a pain killer in over a year. At least now we know a Hanky year is 8 months.
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Nubain is instant you take it intramuscularly or well about 15 seconds until it hits you. I have not had Nubain since college it has been a while. But yeah if you are fucking dying Nubain would be my top choice as it is basically pharmaceutical grade clean heroin. One difference with opioids is they make you digest slower so you actually get more nutrients and calories out of your food. You can still eat and get big and train it does not weaken your muscle and make you not eat if used with care. Again though we are talking about things to use when having an issue not on a regular basis. I do believe cold therapy and stretching help immensely.
They also slow down your digestive system dramatically,hence your impacted feces ridden huge barrel belly.
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They also slow down your digestive system dramatically,hence your impacted feces ridden huge barrel belly.
Except I do not take opioids I have not had one since I had a Percocet last July that was prescribed
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Just ignores that he lied about not having had a pain killer in over a year. Is we know a Hanky year is 8 months.
Last summer ok its slightly less than a year it is still 2023 vs 2024 it is still last year and again it was prescribed Dr gave me what 20 Percocet's last June that I ran out of in July now I am a heroin junky??
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People gorging on 6k cals a day are not gaining any extra muscle than someone eating 3k
They are just getting fatter.
Thank You
WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
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Thanks. The reason for xray is, I think, that MRIs are way more costly, and the one who sent for the referral is a general practitioner.
What is your stance on avoiding flexion? What do you think of the Jefferson Curl?
Most will xray prior to MRI. Unless there are the neurological 'red flags', xrays are needed first. Its annoying for providers because we are supposed to perform all these confirmatory ortho / neuro tests....and when we have it narrowed down to something soft tissue they STILL want xray. Had a patient that had an OBVIOUS mensical tear. The MOI was classic for it. Mcmurray and ege's were positive. United Health gave me shit for NOT performing xray first. I went off on the nurse. Additionally, MRI's aren't that costly. Self pay sho-uld be $300 - $425 for cervical. You can order one online nowadays.
Can't say 100% on avoiding anything. People wiht some disc issues are ok with it....some light up like a torch in extension based rehab (mckenzie stuff). My guess is what type of disc issue, facet problem, and any ligamentum flavum hypertrophy.
Jefferson curls, mcgill, hip flexor stregnthening all seem to be generally tolerated for low back. With your thing....look up Lock-3 as well as cervical flossing. The lock exercises are good for shoulder and we see neck stuff reduced with it. Also, cervical bracing feedback with BP cuff is great. First few times you won't like it but research shows a reduction in tone of the longus colli is very common in neck issues.
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Nubain is instant you take it intramuscularly or well about 15 seconds until it hits you. I have not had Nubain since college it has been a while. But yeah if you are fucking dying Nubain would be my top choice as it is basically pharmaceutical grade clean heroin. One difference with opioids is they make you digest slower so you actually get more nutrients and calories out of your food. You can still eat and get big and train it does not weaken your muscle and make you not eat if used with care. Again though we are talking about things to use when having an issue not on a regular basis. I do believe cold therapy and stretching help immensely.
What the holy fuck??
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3687404/
Opioid-induced bowel dysfunction (OIBD) comprises gastrointestinal symptoms such as constipation, anorexia, nausea, vomiting, gastro-oesophageal reflux, delayed digestion, abdominal pain, bloating, hard stool and incomplete evacuation that significantly deteriorate patients’ quality of life and compliance. Approximately one third of patients treated with opioids do not adhere to the opioid regimen or simply quit the treatment due to OIBD.
I just can't anymore.....the amount of stupidity that you spew is just rampant. I would have no problem telling you that you are full of shit figuratively and literally to your face.
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Most will xray prior to MRI. Unless there are the neurological 'red flags', xrays are needed first. Its annoying for providers because we are supposed to perform all these confirmatory ortho / neuro tests....and when we have it narrowed down to something soft tissue they STILL want xray. Had a patient that had an OBVIOUS mensical tear. The MOI was classic for it. Mcmurray and ege's were positive. United Health gave me shit for NOT performing xray first. I went off on the nurse. Additionally, MRI's aren't that costly. Self pay sho-uld be $300 - $425 for cervical. You can order one online nowadays.
Can't say 100% on avoiding anything. People wiht some disc issues are ok with it....some light up like a torch in extension based rehab (mckenzie stuff). My guess is what type of disc issue, facet problem, and any ligamentum flavum hypertrophy.
Jefferson curls, mcgill, hip flexor stregnthening all seem to be generally tolerated for low back. With your thing....look up Lock-3 as well as cervical flossing. The lock exercises are good for shoulder and we see neck stuff reduced with it. Also, cervical bracing feedback with BP cuff is great. First few times you won't like it but research shows a reduction in tone of the longus colli is very common in neck issues.
Ok, thanks again. So this is standard procedure. I will look up those things.
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What the holy fuck??
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3687404/
Opioid-induced bowel dysfunction (OIBD) comprises gastrointestinal symptoms such as constipation, anorexia, nausea, vomiting, gastro-oesophageal reflux, delayed digestion, abdominal pain, bloating, hard stool and incomplete evacuation that significantly deteriorate patients’ quality of life and compliance. Approximately one third of patients treated with opioids do not adhere to the opioid regimen or simply quit the treatment due to OIBD.
I just can't anymore.....the amount of stupidity that you spew is just rampant. I would have no problem telling you that you are full of shit figuratively and literally to your face.
Opioid addiction explains Brians poor gut health.
Brain has complained of all of those ailments
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In my situation I did consider the slower gastric motility to maybe be beneficial. But people different, many are deathly afraid of constipation and have problems with any dose of opies. My mother takes even 1/6 dose of her prescribed med for coughing stuff and she's complaining.
Even Kratom affects this, which again is something that speaks to its opioid activity.
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Junkie Of Peace
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Opioid addiction explains Brians poor gut health.
Brain has complained of all of those ailments
Uh oh....
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8114851/
To date, opioids are the most harmful type of used drugs, and cannabis remains the world’s most widely used drug
Theres that "D" word again Brian
Substance use affects the nutritional status and body composition through decreased food intake and nutrient absorption, altered metabolism, and use of multiple drugs, in addition to the dysregulation of hormones altering the mechanism of satiety and food intake.
Then again, Brian knows better
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I broke 3 ribs sweeping powdery show off my steps.....little did I know there was a thin film of ice under the snow.....I found out soon enough though.....broke the 3 ribs and had a hematoma of the Liver.
To make a long story short I was in a lot of pain......was prescribed Vicoden and was eating them like candy then I had a buddy of mine go on the street and get me some percosettes.
Anyway I was popping them like they were going out of style cuz they really din`t seem to ease my pain one single bit.
I had just done a contest the week or so before and had a legit 29 inch ripped waist.........because of these pills I didn`t take a dump for 8 fucking days......my gut looked like Quatro was gonna` jump out of my stomach at any fucking minute. ;D
So I go to the ER,and the nurse tells me...."those assholes (the doctors) should have gave you a kick ass laxative while you were on those pills....they slow down your digestive system big-time" (she wasn`t aware of course I was taking percs also).
She then takes me into a room makes me drink a bottle of Citrate Nitrate or some shit....an entire bottle then gave me 6 little containers of Milk Of Magnesia.
When I finally took a dump at the hospital,lightning bolts,shot from the heavens, and I saw the face of God.
My waist instantly went down several inches.
Distention Of Peace
JUST SAY NO !
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Uh oh....
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8114851/
To date, opioids are the most harmful type of used drugs, and cannabis remains the world’s most widely used drug
Theres that "D" word again Brian
Substance use affects the nutritional status and body composition through decreased food intake and nutrient absorption, altered metabolism, and use of multiple drugs, in addition to the dysregulation of hormones altering the mechanism of satiety and food intake.
Then again, Brian knows better
Well shit if someone writes it then it must be true
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Well shit if someone writes it then it must be true
Do you have a link to anyone writing that Tramadol IS NOT an opioid?
I'll wait...
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Do you have a link to anyone writing that Tramadol IS NOT an opioid?
I'll wait...
I don't need one
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I don't need one
So not a single person on planet earth agrees with you but you are right...
I expect nothing less from you
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They also slow down your digestive system dramatically,hence your impacted feces ridden huge barrel belly.
:D
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Well shit if someone writes it then it must be true
Well shit...the druggie speaks
What about how opioids help you with absorption of nutrients.....care to enlighten us some more
I am clegging you so badly....its not even fun anymore.
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I don't need one
You’d make any such medicine into a dopiod, you mongoloid. You do not have a Mensa level anything except your ego. What a worthless wiglette.
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Well shit...the druggie speaks
What about how opioids help you with absorption of nutrients.....care to enlighten us some more
I am clegging you so badly....its not even fun anymore.
Again you think you now about something because you read something. It's slows down digestion with slower digestion you absorb more nutrients from your food why do I have to argue about this with you.
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Again you think you now about something because you read something. It's slows down digestion with slower digestion you absorb more nutrients from your food why do I have to argue about this with you.
You don't have to argue. You don't absorb more nutrients due to the slower digestion. Do I need to school your saggy ass on the mechanisms of digestion that are inhibited from opioids?
Opioids can increase fluid absorption by delaying colonic transit. However, some clinical trials indicate that fentanyl and morphine may impair intestinal absorption of protein. Opioids can also inhibit relaxation of the lower esophageal sphincter, decrease propulsion of smooth muscles in the small and large intestine, and delay gastric emptying. These effects can result in nausea, vomiting, altered fluid dynamics, and increased GI transit time
You are going to need that doughnut to sit down I am fucking you so badly.
I can read it.....and explain it to you because these are things that people 1,000,000x smarter than you have researched and found out. You have almost ZERO knowledge on the workings of the small and large intestines. You still think your stomach is your gut. Shut the fuck up Brian.
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Note to self......NEVER EVER ARGUE WITH KRANK.
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bhank says he has frequent diarrhea, probably why he thinks opioids will help. Kinda the same thing with me, you lose nutrition when you are shitting all the time.
Regarding lower test and sexual function in the above sheet, Tramadol can make it impossible to climax, which is why it has been investigated as a drug for premature ejaculation. Don't believe me, go on pubmed. I think the delayed orgasm is from the serotonin part of its mechanism.
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It's growing again, getting closer to 100. What has now become the Hanky is a Junkie thread seems a good place for this. I can't believe these 2 were never included, especially the NPD, which is probably the root cause of many of these:
1. "sheared from the bone Tricep"
2. Restless Leg syndrome
3. Shaky hands from childhood
4. Bone on Bone knees and surgeries (Titanium/adamantium rods)
5. Torn right pec ("missing half a pec"; "a Chronic pec tear. I first tore it at 25 years old. I then tore it again at 40 and 43. The thing with Chronic pec tears is they keep happening")
6. Surgical re-attachment of right tricep
7. 3 Shoulder surgeries, one on the right side the other 2 were on the left side.
8. Cut bicep tendon from a shoulder surgery
9. Barrett’s esophagus
10. Gastroesophageal reflux disease (GERD)
11. Crohnes disease
12. Bile reflux
13. Hiatal hernia
14. Umbilical hernia
15. Polyps and cyst (pre-cancerous)
16. Bleeding ulcer
17. Bloody shits, nausea and indigestion and vomiting
18. shin splints in the forearms
19. magnesium and other mineral deficiencies
20. Stingray puncture of left or right foot (he can't remember, see dementia below and "225x15" and 7=10-11)
21. Anemia
22. Anxiety
23. Depression
24. Arthritis
25. Something with the neck from demolition derby (whiplash)
26. ACUTE Organ failure hacking up bile
27. Dementia/Alzheimers (possibly vaping induced)
28. Anorexia
29. "precancerous polyps and cyst throughout digestive system"
30. 2 Herniated bulging disc one lower back and one in the neck possibly causing nerve damage and atrophy on the right arm
31. Astigmatism
32. Broken toe from hopping out of bed
33. Possibly Infected veinless cutless bicep
34. Thrombosed Hemorrhoid
35. Missing esophageal sphincter
36. Male pattern baldness
37. Erectile dysfunction
38. Hands and arms completely numb in sleep
39. Bulimia
40. Agoraphobia (not Agorgophobia though)
41. Lactose Intolerant
42. Baker's cyst
43. Cleggian shoulder dislocation
44. Two-step "sliding knee"
45. "temporary Injury in the quad" (as of 6/28/23)
46. Throwing up in the morning (daily ritual before dbol breakfast)
47. Insomnia due to left shoulder aches
48. Legs still don't bend right
49. Starvation requiring midnight cooking meals
50. can’t hear out of left ear and there is a constant ringing
51. minor tendon strain pull in the right arm
52. Sore throat
53. Debilitating sunburn
54. 110 resting heartrate after coffee
55. Bench press shakes from Adrenalin or Sugar Imbalance
56. Elevated liver enzymes and high Hematocrit
57. Pituitary gland doesn’t seem to be making anything
58. Tennis elbow/stress fracture
59. Tweaked right bicep from setting denied World Record Strict Curling in wrong weight class
60. Red area around the [hernia operation] wound with some yellow puss and a swollen lymph node
61. Infected hernia side incisions
62. 2 cm meniscus tear
63. Tennis elbow requiring cortisone injections every 6 months for 2 years
64. Delts have been dislocated and they do not sit the same in the joint. One is always rolled forward and the other is always rolled backward.
65. abs hurt when he coughs
66. foreign objected surgically implanted into abdomen
67. Acute abdomen pain forcing two day break in post-surgery comeback training
68. Medically too lean
69. sick the last few mornings with acid reflux in ndigestuin and no appetite (sic)
70. Dead arm
71. Botched hernia operation
72. Brittle nails due to vitamin deficiency
73. Pain in abdomen from where he had a surgical implant
74. Throwing up bile on Thanksgiving morning
75. Dyslexia
76. Liposuction scars
77. Spends half the night passing gas
78. Painful peptic ulcer (of peace)
79. High blood pressure 200+/160+.
80. Passes blood for a month prior to bodybuilding shows
81. constant painful heartburn
82. cankor sores (those are typical signs something is wrong)
83. Fungus toenails (on Mongoloid toes)
84. mania
85. left shoulder is not entirely stable
86. Droopy left side of face/slurring while "taking the mustard to ya"
87. Throwing up a gallon of "black stuff"
88. Coughing up blood
89. Carpal tunnel in hands
90. Deviated Septum
91. Chronic back pain due to (??)
92. Opioid addiction
93. Oppositional Defiant Disorder
94. Narcissistic Personality Disorder
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How is he still alive? ^^^
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Note the similarities:
Bh-ank
Kr-ank
:o
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You don't have to argue. You don't absorb more nutrients due to the slower digestion. Do I need to school your saggy ass on the mechanisms of digestion that are inhibited from opioids?
Opioids can increase fluid absorption by delaying colonic transit. However, some clinical trials indicate that fentanyl and morphine may impair intestinal absorption of protein. Opioids can also inhibit relaxation of the lower esophageal sphincter, decrease propulsion of smooth muscles in the small and large intestine, and delay gastric emptying. These effects can result in nausea, vomiting, altered fluid dynamics, and increased GI transit time
You are going to need that doughnut to sit down I am fucking you so badly.
I can read it.....and explain it to you because these are things that people 1,000,000x smarter than you have researched and found out. You have almost ZERO knowledge on the workings of the small and large intestines. You still think your stomach is your gut. Shut the fuck up Brian.
Again slower digestion more absorption of nutrients not sure why this is a difficult concept for you
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bhank says he has frequent diarrhea, probably why he thinks opioids will help. Kinda the same thing with me, you lose nutrition when you are shitting all the time.
Regarding lower test and sexual function in the above sheet, Tramadol can make it impossible to climax, which is why it has been investigated as a drug for premature ejaculation. Don't believe me, go on pubmed. I think the delayed orgasm is from the serotonin part of its mechanism.
I have not had diarrhea in over a month. I have not had an opioid since last July. Not sure why if I get a sniffle, you guys think it is a perm daily ailment.
I cut out the high animal fat bacon and sausage and whole milk before my show. I also do not eat a lot of heavy animal fats I try to keep it lean on the meat. I have continued to not incorporate those items into my diet. My digestion has been great I have not even had a stomachache since. Meanwhile I was having a lot of issues prior. Of course, I am also keeping the calories on the lower side as well.
But as far as my digestion and Crohn's I have had 0 issues since my show. Not even any acid reflux no indigestion nothing. Knock on wood. Perhaps the penicillin cleared out whatever microorganisms were bothering my gut. But I think reducing hard to digest animal fats has made a difference.
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I have not had diarrhea in over a month. I have not had an opioid since last July. Not sure why if I get a sniffle, you guys think it is a perm daily ailment.
I cut out the high animal fat bacon and sausage and whole milk before my show. I also do not eat a lot of heavy animal fats I try to keep it lean on the meat. I have continued to not incorporate those items into my diet. My digestion has been great I have not even had a stomachache since. Meanwhile I was having a lot of issues prior. Of course, I am also keeping the calories on the lower side as well.
so your crohns is gone then?
Dickhead, you have never had crohns you stupid bastard
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It's growing again, getting closer to 100. What has now become the Hanky is a Junkie thread seems a good place for this. I can't believe these 2 were never included, especially the NPD, which is probably the root cause of many of these:
1. "sheared from the bone Tricep"
2. Restless Leg syndrome
3. Shaky hands from childhood
4. Bone on Bone knees and surgeries (Titanium/adamantium rods)
5. Torn right pec ("missing half a pec"; "a Chronic pec tear. I first tore it at 25 years old. I then tore it again at 40 and 43. The thing with Chronic pec tears is they keep happening")
6. Surgical re-attachment of right tricep
7. 3 Shoulder surgeries, one on the right side the other 2 were on the left side.
8. Cut bicep tendon from a shoulder surgery
9. Barrett’s esophagus
10. Gastroesophageal reflux disease (GERD)
11. Crohnes disease
12. Bile reflux
13. Hiatal hernia
14. Umbilical hernia
15. Polyps and cyst (pre-cancerous)
16. Bleeding ulcer
17. Bloody shits, nausea and indigestion and vomiting
18. shin splints in the forearms
19. magnesium and other mineral deficiencies
20. Stingray puncture of left or right foot (he can't remember, see dementia below and "225x15" and 7=10-11)
21. Anemia
22. Anxiety
23. Depression
24. Arthritis
25. Something with the neck from demolition derby (whiplash)
26. ACUTE Organ failure hacking up bile
27. Dementia/Alzheimers (possibly vaping induced)
28. Anorexia
29. "precancerous polyps and cyst throughout digestive system"
30. 2 Herniated bulging disc one lower back and one in the neck possibly causing nerve damage and atrophy on the right arm
31. Astigmatism
32. Broken toe from hopping out of bed
33. Possibly Infected veinless cutless bicep
34. Thrombosed Hemorrhoid
35. Missing esophageal sphincter
36. Male pattern baldness
37. Erectile dysfunction
38. Hands and arms completely numb in sleep
39. Bulimia
40. Agoraphobia (not Agorgophobia though)
41. Lactose Intolerant
42. Baker's cyst
43. Cleggian shoulder dislocation
44. Two-step "sliding knee"
45. "temporary Injury in the quad" (as of 6/28/23)
46. Throwing up in the morning (daily ritual before dbol breakfast)
47. Insomnia due to left shoulder aches
48. Legs still don't bend right
49. Starvation requiring midnight cooking meals
50. can’t hear out of left ear and there is a constant ringing
51. minor tendon strain pull in the right arm
52. Sore throat
53. Debilitating sunburn
54. 110 resting heartrate after coffee
55. Bench press shakes from Adrenalin or Sugar Imbalance
56. Elevated liver enzymes and high Hematocrit
57. Pituitary gland doesn’t seem to be making anything
58. Tennis elbow/stress fracture
59. Tweaked right bicep from setting denied World Record Strict Curling in wrong weight class
60. Red area around the [hernia operation] wound with some yellow puss and a swollen lymph node
61. Infected hernia side incisions
62. 2 cm meniscus tear
63. Tennis elbow requiring cortisone injections every 6 months for 2 years
64. Delts have been dislocated and they do not sit the same in the joint. One is always rolled forward and the other is always rolled backward.
65. abs hurt when he coughs
66. foreign objected surgically implanted into abdomen
67. Acute abdomen pain forcing two day break in post-surgery comeback training
68. Medically too lean
69. sick the last few mornings with acid reflux in ndigestuin and no appetite (sic)
70. Dead arm
71. Botched hernia operation
72. Brittle nails due to vitamin deficiency
73. Pain in abdomen from where he had a surgical implant
74. Throwing up bile on Thanksgiving morning
75. Dyslexia
76. Liposuction scars
77. Spends half the night passing gas
78. Painful peptic ulcer (of peace)
79. High blood pressure 200+/160+.
80. Passes blood for a month prior to bodybuilding shows
81. constant painful heartburn
82. cankor sores (those are typical signs something is wrong)
83. Fungus toenails (on Mongoloid toes)
84. mania
85. left shoulder is not entirely stable
86. Droopy left side of face/slurring while "taking the mustard to ya"
87. Throwing up a gallon of "black stuff"
88. Coughing up blood
89. Carpal tunnel in hands
90. Deviated Septum
91. Chronic back pain due to (??)
92. Opioid addiction
93. Oppositional Defiant Disorder
94. Narcissistic Personality Disorder
Most of this is made up. The other half is the same thing repeated 5 times.
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so your crohns is gone then?
Dickhead, you have never had crohns you stupid bastard
Well according to multiple Gastro Doctors and blood testing I do but thanks for your expert opinion
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Most of this is made up. The other half is the same thing repeated 5 times.
We know its made up, its made up by you to distract from your failures.
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Again slower digestion more absorption of nutrients not sure why this is a difficult concept for you
You really want to do this?
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Well according to multiple Gastro Doctors and blood testing I do but thanks for your expert opinion
Crohns is for life, not just when its convenient
You take no medication for it and you eat shit
That means you cant have crohns
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You really want to do this?
I glossed over it, hes got to be trolling, he cant be that stupid
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You really want to do this?
Do what you are a fucking idiot who thinks posting articles means you know something
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I have not had diarrhea in over a month. I have not had an opioid since last July. Not sure why if I get a sniffle, you guys think it is a perm daily ailment.
I cut out the high animal fat bacon and sausage and whole milk before my show. I also do not eat a lot of heavy animal fats I try to keep it lean on the meat. I have continued to not incorporate those items into my diet. My digestion has been great I have not even had a stomachache since. Meanwhile I was having a lot of issues prior. Of course, I am also keeping the calories on the lower side as well.
But as far as my digestion and Crohn's I have had 0 issues since my show. Not even any acid reflux no indigestion nothing. Knock on wood. Perhaps the penicillin cleared out whatever microorganisms were bothering my gut. But I think reducing hard to digest animal fats has made a difference.
You literally sat here and told everyone about your "bad sore throat" and had to mention how infections can kill. Don't down play how you love the attention like a 6yo girl. Any NORMAL person would probably have made a small passing comment. You expounded on it...looking for sympathy and expected us to tell you what a warrior you were for fighting through it. Pussy
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Crohns is for life, not just when its convenient
You take no medication for it and you eat shit
That means you cant have crohns
Typically speaking it flares up every couple weeks for a week or 2 then goes away for a couple weeks then comes back. When it is gone I add weight when it comes back I lose weight. But regardless I eat great. I have been tested blood test etc mutliple time by multiple gastro doctors over a 25 year period. But now I don't have Crohn's because Jeff says so halleluiah praise jesus.
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Do what you are a fucking idiot who thinks posting articles means you know something
Lets examine this logic....
People learn things through doing....(wait for it)....reading. Books, articles, magazine, etc. Those same materials are written by people who are...(waiiiiit for it)...experts in the field. The reason they are experts is.....(waiiiiiiiiit for it)......is because that subject is allllllll they do.
When you go to the doctor for any number of your ailments...they know what to do with you because they have STUDIED things and can apply that knowledge.
Answer this....when you sit here and claim to have read allll these research articles on ant aging, drugs, etc. Are you not doing the exact same thing you just claimed I am an idiot for doing??
Why do you persist on looking like a twat day after day?
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You literally sat here and told everyone about your "bad sore throat" and had to mention how infections can kill. Don't down play how you love the attention like a 6yo girl. Any NORMAL person would probably have made a small passing comment. You expounded on it...looking for sympathy and expected us to tell you what a warrior you were for fighting through it. Pussy
Dude I don't want to spend all day arguing nonsense with you. You don't think I was sick I don't care whatever I know I was sick and considered pulling out but I didn't I showed up and I won so suck it.
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Typically speaking it flares up every couple weeks for a week or 2 then goes away for a couple weeks then comes back. When it is gone I add weight when it comes back I lose weight. But regardless I eat great. I have been tested blood test etc mutliple time by multiple gastro doctors over a 25 year period. But now I don't have Crohn's because Jeff says so halleluiah praise jesus.
Tramadol is not an opioid because Brian says so....halleluiah praise jesus
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Lets examine this logic....
People learn things through doing....(wait for it)....reading. Books, articles, magazine, etc. Those same materials are written by people who are...(waiiiiit for it)...experts in the field. The reason they are experts is.....(waiiiiiiiiit for it)......is because that subject is allllllll they do.
When you go to the doctor for any number of your ailments...they know what to do with you because they have STUDIED things and can apply that knowledge.
Answer this....when you sit here and claim to have read allll these research articles on ant aging, drugs, etc. Are you not doing the exact same thing you just claimed I am an idiot for doing??
Why do you persist on looking like a twat day after day?
Most Dr don't know shit they are shockingly uneducated
I also have real world exp I don't just read and then pretend to know something
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Dude I don't want to spend all day arguing nonsense with you. You don't think I was sick I don't care whatever I know I was sick and considered pulling out but I didn't I showed up and I won so suck it.
You don't want to, but you will. Your dad should have considered pulling out and your mom should have sucked it.
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Most Dr don't know shit they are shockingly uneducated
Like your hernia surgeon who didn't want to prescribe you the hgh because you READ about how it can help with "wound healing".
Remember brian....your an idiot who thinks he knows something just because you've read an article.
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Like your hernia surgeon who didn't want to prescribe you the hgh because you READ about how it can help with "wound healing".
Remember brian....your an idiot who thinks he knows something just because you've read an article.
Or maybe I have actually used HGH in the past after multiple surgeries and I have had the same surgeries without using it and I know it fucking helps you daft twat
Doctors not even being casually familiar with studies in their field is wrong you talking like you know something is wrong
We have known for decades now that HGH helps post surgical healing yet Doctors and rehab idiots like you won't discuss it that is wrong
"HGH can speed up the recovery of the original injury that required surgery. It can speed the healing of surgical wounds. It can help to reduce inflammation and help prevent post-surgical bacterial infection, all because of its ability to boost your body’s healing and immune response."
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Typically speaking it flares up every couple weeks for a week or 2 then goes away for a couple weeks then comes back. When it is gone I add weight when it comes back I lose weight. But regardless I eat great. I have been tested blood test etc mutliple time by multiple gastro doctors over a 25 year period. But now I don't have Crohn's because Jeff says so halleluiah praise jesus.
You dont have crohns because you say so, its not me saying it.
Everything you post about your diet and lifestyle would be impossible if you had crohns.
Crohns sufferers take medication and have very bland diets
I work with a guy who takes 8 medications and can only eat white food
If he ate your "sausage and gravy with biscuits" it would kill him
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You dont have crohns because you say so, its not me saying it.
Everything you post about your diet and lifestyle would be impossible if you had crohns.
Crohns sufferers take medication and have very bland diets
I work with a guy who takes 8 medications and can only eat white food
If he ate your "sausage and gravy with biscuits" it would kill him
Be that as it may I have Crohn's and it has been confirmed with bloodwork not sure what part of that you don't get. I even shared that bloodwork here previously and it says Crohn's all over it. Sorry it being in remission for a couple weeks bothers you.
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Be that as it may I have Crohn's and it has been confirmed with bloodwork not sure what part of that you don't get
Did a doctor who doesnt know anything confirm it or was it one who agreed with you?
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Did a doctor who doesnt know anything confirm it or was it one who agreed with you?
You act like I went to a Dr and said I have Crohn's can you confirm it. I went to a Dr with Digestion issues they ran multiple test and told me I had Crohn's. The lab work they sent out to other Drs came back saying Crohn's as well. Not sure why I have to argue with you about it.
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Or maybe I have actually used HGH in the past after multiple surgeries and I have had the same surgeries without using it and I know it fucking helps you daft twat
Doctors not even being casually familiar with studies in their field is wrong you talking like you know something is wrong
"HGH can speed up the recovery of the original injury that required surgery. It can speed the healing of surgical wounds. It can help to reduce inflammation and help prevent post-surgical bacterial infection, all because of its ability to boost your body’s healing and immune response."
Not the point Brian.
You just said I am an idiot for thinking I know things just because I read. You claim to read things.....and want to be recognized for reading but by your own statement you are no better than me.
In case you do not know this...Doctors have to take continuing education. They have to sit through seminars and read research articles to maintain their license. They aren't interested in some gym rat who wants HGH for his bodybuilding goals and to help his rats nest look better.
I do know "something" because for almost 25 years of practice I HAVE had to know things. I have to be able to speak with PCP's, orthopedics, neurologists, neurosurgeons, etc. I have to be able to have peer to peer reviews when discussing patient options with clinical teams. I have to amass 90 hours of continuing education every couple of years for my license.
What do you do : "derp derp derp...I think I will google something about HGH because this guy at the gym said it will help me with ABC...look at me, I know more than specialists do because of that....duhhhhhhh"
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You act like I went to a Dr and said I have Crohn's can you confirm it. I went to a Dr with Digestion issues they ran multiple test and told me I had Crohn's. The lab work they sent out to other Drs came back saying Crohn's as well. Not sure why I have to argue with you about it.
More like :
Doctor : Alright Brian, you're shitting in your pants and I have reviewed your history and looked over your diet. It would appear...
Brian : I have Crohns, now prescribe me some HGH. I read about and convinced other wanna be "doctors" to give it to me.
Doctor : Umm...thats not what I was going to say
Brian : You think you know anything because you've read some articles. I know more....I fought everyone every day I was in school. I will fucking rag doll you and Mike Tyson at the same time if you don't give me my HGH and tramadol
Doctor : Ummm Nurse, call security
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You act like I went to a Dr and said I have Crohn's can you confirm it. I went to a Dr with Digestion issues they ran multiple test and told me I had Crohn's. The lab work they sent out to other Drs came back saying Crohn's as well. Not sure why I have to argue with you about it.
Most Dr don't know shit they are shockingly uneducated
I also have real world exp I don't just read and then pretend to know something
What if the doctors who told you had crohns didnt know shit and werent educated?
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What if the doctors who told you had crohns didnt know shit and werent educated?
They dont know shit which is why I am not taking the multiple daily medications they prescribed
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Hold on for just onnnnnnnne second everyone. I just learned about something new...
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2074872/
Narcotic bowel syndrome (NBS) is a subset of opioid bowel dysfunction that is characterized by chronic or frequently recurring abdominal pain that worsens with continued or escalating dosages of narcotics. This syndrome is under recognized and may be becoming more prevalent. This may be due in the United States to increases in using narcotics for chronic non-malignant painful disorders, and the development of maladaptive therapeutic interactions around its use. NBS can occur in patients with no prior gastrointestinal disorder who receive high dosages of narcotics after surgery or acute painful problems, among patients with functional GI disorders or other chronic gastrointestinal diseases who are managed by physicians unaware of the hyperalgesic effects of chronic opioids.
Hmmm....something sounds VERRRRRY familiar. I can not place my finger on it.
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Hold on for just onnnnnnnne second everyone. I just learned about something new...
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2074872/
Narcotic bowel syndrome (NBS) is a subset of opioid bowel dysfunction that is characterized by chronic or frequently recurring abdominal pain that worsens with continued or escalating dosages of narcotics. This syndrome is under recognized and may be becoming more prevalent. This may be due in the United States to increases in using narcotics for chronic non-malignant painful disorders, and the development of maladaptive therapeutic interactions around its use. NBS can occur in patients with no prior gastrointestinal disorder who receive high dosages of narcotics after surgery or acute painful problems, among patients with functional GI disorders or other chronic gastrointestinal diseases who are managed by physicians unaware of the hyperalgesic effects of chronic opioids.
Hmmm....something sounds VERRRRRY familiar. I can not place my finger on it.
Hey you guys want to pretend I am just sitting aorund shooting heroin all day have at it I don't care
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Hey you guys want to pretend I am just sitting aorund shooting heroin all day have at it I don't care
Walks like a duck...quacks like a duck....must be Bhank
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The patients most at risk for developing chronic opioid use (COU) included women, those of advanced age, and those with a history of multiple surgeries, endoscopies, or hospitalizations. Patients who had a history of psychiatric disorders, arthritis, chronic pain, and history of prior opioid use before being diagnosed with CD (Crohns Diseas) were more likely to develop COU after their CD was diagnosed. Patients who continue to have inadequate disease control will continue to be at risk for COU
Things that just seem to make you go hmmmmm
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The patients most at risk for developing chronic opioid use (COU) included women, those of advanced age, and those with a history of multiple surgeries, endoscopies, or hospitalizations. Patients who had a history of psychiatric disorders, arthritis, chronic pain, and history of prior opioid use before being diagnosed with CD (Crohns Diseas) were more likely to develop COU after their CD was diagnosed. Patients who continue to have inadequate disease control will continue to be at risk for COU
Things that just seem to make you go hmmmmm
I have not had a single pain killer since last July when I was given 20 for a medical problem. I don't drink. I don't stay out late. I make sure to get my macros everyday and workout. I limit myself to 1 caffeinated beverage a day. I make sure to get 8 hours sleep. Yet now you guys want to pretend I am a junky lol that's cool.
Weird despite apparently not working, out eating like shit, looking like shit and being a full-on heroin junky I still managed to win an NPC show. Absolutely amazing
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I have not had a single pain killer since last July when I was given 20 for a medical problem. I don't drink. I don't stay out late. I make sure to get my macros everyday and workout. I limit myself to 1 caffeinated beverage a day. I make sure to get 8 hours sleep. Yet now you guys want to pretend I am a junky lol that's cool.
Weird despite apparently not working, out eating like shit, looking like shit and being a full-on heroin junky I still managed to win an NPC show. Absolutely amazing
Oh, we're supposed to take your word for it.
You "won" as you were the least shitty looking. Despite your shitty legs, you would "win" in a one-legged butt kicking contest. How impressive is that?
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I fucking warned you Brian...
Opioid drugs interact with three classes of opioid receptors: mu opioid receptors (MOR), delta opioid receptors (DOR) and kappa opioid receptors (KOR), but opioid drugs mostly target the MORs.
The µ-opioid receptors are activated in the wall of the stomach and the small and large intestine by both endogenous (e.g. enkephalins, endorphins and dynorphins) and exogenous (e.g. morphine, oxycodone, methadone) opioids and modify GI function.
Activation of opioid receptors in the submucosa inhibits water and electrolyte secretion into the gut lumen and increases fluid absorption from the intestine and blood flow in the gut wall.
Chymotrypsin and trypsin break proteins down to tripeptides, dipeptides, and individual amino acids. The cells that line the small intestine release additional enzymes that also contribute to the enzymatic digestion of polypeptides. Tripeptides, dipeptides, and single amino acids enter the enterocytes of the small intestine using active transport systems, which require ATP. Once inside, the tripeptides and dipeptides are all broken down to single amino acids, which are absorbed into the bloodstream.
Submucosal secretomotor neurons release acetylcholine and VIP, which activate muscarinic and VIP receptors on the basolateral surface of the enterocytes, which can activate epithelial cell chloride channels. Chloride moves from the enterocyte cytoplasm into the gut lumen. H2O follows chloride via an osmotic mechanism. Opioid drugs activating MOR and DOR on secretomotor neurons suppress acetylcholine and VIP release, resulting in a decrease in chloride secretion and osmotic water movement.
The resultant reduction of osmotic water movement has an inhibitory effect on the di and tripeptides being shuttled into the bloodstream
But wait....because you said it "slows digestion down" it absolutely means you absorb more nutrients. Idiot druggie
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I fucking warned you Brian...
Opioid drugs interact with three classes of opioid receptors: mu opioid receptors (MOR), delta opioid receptors (DOR) and kappa opioid receptors (KOR), but opioid drugs mostly target the MORs.
The µ-opioid receptors are activated in the wall of the stomach and the small and large intestine by both endogenous (e.g. enkephalins, endorphins and dynorphins) and exogenous (e.g. morphine, oxycodone, methadone) opioids and modify GI function.
Activation of opioid receptors in the submucosa inhibits water and electrolyte secretion into the gut lumen and increases fluid absorption from the intestine and blood flow in the gut wall.
Chymotrypsin and trypsin break proteins down to tripeptides, dipeptides, and individual amino acids. The cells that line the small intestine release additional enzymes that also contribute to the enzymatic digestion of polypeptides. Tripeptides, dipeptides, and single amino acids enter the enterocytes of the small intestine using active transport systems, which require ATP. Once inside, the tripeptides and dipeptides are all broken down to single amino acids, which are absorbed into the bloodstream.
Submucosal secretomotor neurons release acetylcholine and VIP, which activate muscarinic and VIP receptors on the basolateral surface of the enterocytes, which can activate epithelial cell chloride channels. Chloride moves from the enterocyte cytoplasm into the gut lumen. H2O follows chloride via an osmotic mechanism. Opioid drugs activating MOR and DOR on secretomotor neurons suppress acetylcholine and VIP release, resulting in a decrease in chloride secretion and osmotic water movement.
The resultant reduction of osmotic water movement has an inhibitory effect on the di and tripeptides being shuttled into the bloodstream
But wait....because you said it "slows digestion down" it absolutely means you absorb more nutrients. Idiot druggie
Again the longer food is in your digestive tract the more nutrients you absorb this is not rocket science
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Oh, we're supposed to take your word for it.
You "won" as you were the least shitty looking. Despite your shitty legs, you would "win" in a one-legged butt kicking contest. How impressive is that?
I don't care what you believe but if you think I won a bodybuilding show with a heroin addiction then I must be one bad ass guy
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Again the longer food is in your digestive tract the more nutrients you absorb this is not rocket science
You take drugs, its not rocket science either.
I don't care what you believe but if you think I won a bodybuilding show with a heroin addiction then I must be one bad ass guy
When did I say you take heroin? You keep mentioning it. Guilty conscious?
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Bhanky,
What's this about you being an old crone?
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You dont have crohns because you say so, its not me saying it.
Everything you post about your diet and lifestyle would be impossible if you had crohns.
Crohns sufferers take medication and have very bland diets
I work with a guy who takes 8 medications and can only eat white food
If he ate your "sausage and gravy with biscuits" it would kill him
He’s never once been able to post anything from a doctor saying he has Crohns.
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They dont know shit which is why I am not taking the multiple daily medications they prescribed
So they tell you its crohns and you believe them, they then precribe you meds which you dont take because they dont know shit?
Fucking clown world
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Most commonly, Crohn's affects your small intestine and the beginning of your large intestine. However, the disease can affect any part of your digestive tract, from your mouth to your anus.
Looks like Brians crohns has mixed his mouth and anus up hence all the shit he talks.
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Hey you guys want to pretend I am just sitting aorund shooting heroin all day have at it I don't care
Classic Hanky straw man deflection which in my mind proves it. No one said shit about heroin. Did the court drug tests exclude whatever was “prescribed”? Likely.
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Classic Hanky straw ma. deflection which in my mind proves it. No one said shit about heroin. Did the court drug tests exclude whatever was “prescribed”? Likely.
him saying hes not shooting heroin means hes smoking it...
Remember its all semantics with fuckhead
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him saying hes not shooting heroin means hes smoking it...
Remember its all semantics with fuckhead
Showing absolute physiology of the breakdown and absorption of protein mechanisms....then what opioids DO to those mechanisms.....classic Brian to say that's bullshit because he knows more. Shown proof on what tramadol is listed as NOW and because he doesn't get the 'opioid itch' it means that its not.
The only good part about this is that I am able to list these things on my 'soft hours' for my continuing education.
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GET BIGGERS,,,,this thread started of good intentions and some good replies..now its a bhanks thread yet again..
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GET BIGGERS,,,,this thread started of good intentions and some good replies..now its a bhanks ass raping thread yet again..
fixed. the problem is that legit and factual things get said....then because mr know-it-all spews his shit, the thread devolves.
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GET BIGGERS,,,,this thread started of good intentions and some good replies..now its a bhanks thread yet again..
Every thread Hanky gets into turns to shit. It's that reverse Midas touch of his.
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Opioids....the cornerstone of any good breakfast ! :D
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And you want to talk about wound healing. Crohn's is basically your digestive system inflamed and falling apart. HGH helps heal damaged inflamed tissue.
Human growth hormone combined with a high-protein diet significantly eased the symptoms of Crohn's disease in three-quarters of patients with moderate to severe cases, a study has found.
I started about 3 months ago and I am in complete remission, and it was bad when I started. Like I could not sleep I was in constant pain I had gas an ulcer indigestion Gerd nausea all of that. Now nothing no gas no acid reflux no ulcer pain complete remission.
https://www.nytimes.com/2000/06/01/us/growth-hormone-is-found-to-aid-crohn-s-patients.html#:~:text=Human%20growth%20hormone%20combined%20with%20a%20high-protein%20diet,bleeding%20and%20a%20breakdown%20of%20the%20intestinal%20wall.
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Throwing up bile occurred in March I think
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And you want to talk about wound healing. Crohn's is basically your digestive system inflamed and falling apart. HGH helps heal damaged inflamed tissue.
Human growth hormone combined with a high-protein diet significantly eased the symptoms of Crohn's disease in three-quarters of patients with moderate to severe cases, a study has found.
I started about 3 months ago and I am in complete remission, and it was bad when I started. Like I could not sleep I was in constant pain I had gas an ulcer indigestion Gerd nausea all of that. Now nothing no gas no acid reflux no ulcer pain complete remission.
https://www.nytimes.com/2000/06/01/us/growth-hormone-is-found-to-aid-crohn-s-patients.html#:~:text=Human%20growth%20hormone%20combined%20with%20a%20high-protein%20diet,bleeding%20and%20a%20breakdown%20of%20the%20intestinal%20wall.
Lantus insulin at 15-20iu/day. It's a powerful antiinflammatory and anecdotally it helps perceived digestion. Since it's a 24 hour release that works out to 0.625 - 0.833 units released per hour.
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And you want to talk about wound healing. Crohn's is basically your digestive system inflamed and falling apart. HGH helps heal damaged inflamed tissue.
Human growth hormone combined with a high-protein diet significantly eased the symptoms of Crohn's disease in three-quarters of patients with moderate to severe cases, a study has found.
I started about 3 months ago and I am in complete remission, and it was bad when I started. Like I could not sleep I was in constant pain I had gas an ulcer indigestion Gerd nausea all of that. Now nothing no gas no acid reflux no ulcer pain complete remission.
https://www.nytimes.com/2000/06/01/us/growth-hormone-is-found-to-aid-crohn-s-patients.html#:~:text=Human%20growth%20hormone%20combined%20with%20a%20high-protein%20diet,bleeding%20and%20a%20breakdown%20of%20the%20intestinal%20wall.
Well, hopefully your dealer never runs out of HGH....right Brian? Amazing how you fail to answer if YOU have a script for it or not.
I am sure the author of that article cited all their sources...right?
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Well, hopefully your dealer never runs out of HGH....right Brian? Amazing how you fail to answer if YOU have a script for it or not.
I am sure the author of that article cited all their sources...right?
I am willing to try a lot of things for my health. I am at 3 months, and I am in complete remission. Does it always come back? Do I always think this time I did it I beat it? Yeah, sure so what so far so good.
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I am willing to try a lot of things for my health. I am at 3 months, and I am in complete remission. Does it always come back? Do I always think this time I did it I beat it? Yeah, sure so what so far so good.
what about the anemia? or is that only for strict curl season?
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Lantus insulin at 15-20iu/day. It's a powerful antiinflammatory and anecdotally it helps perceived digestion. Since it's a 24 hour release that works out to 0.625 - 0.833 units released per hour.
Oh yeah Lantis pens one a day I have heard about such things but I just don't want to make my diet a do or die situation. I try to hit my macros but if I am full I don't want to have to stuff myself because I took too much insulin. As such I don't use insulin even though it does help with digestion maybe if I had a proper Dr prescribe me some lantis. But again some days I dont want to force carbs.
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Oh yeah Lantis pens one a day I have heard about such things but I just don't want to make my diet a do or die situation. I try to hit my macros but if I am full I don't want to have to stuff myself because I took too much insulin. As such I don't use insulin even though it does help with digestion maybe if I had a proper Dr prescribe me some lantis. But again some days I dont want to force carbs.
This one should. Send the dogs out..get ready .
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Well, hopefully your dealer never runs out of HGH....right Brian? Amazing how you fail to answer if YOU have a script for it or not.
I am sure the author of that article cited all their sources...right?
An article from 2000! 24 years ago and he's just discovering this miracle healing power for Crohn's now after pumping himself full of drugs including GH (which he has admitted using multiple times before) for decades and having Crohn's for how long? He latches on to bullshit to help his rationalizations of his bad behavior.
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Jeezus, imagine how that plane is going to smell after his farting and crapping himself for 6 hours. Hopefully he has an aisle seat to get to the tiny restroom quicker.
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Oh yeah Lantis pens one a day I have heard about such things but I just don't want to make my diet a do or die situation. I try to hit my macros but if I am full I don't want to have to stuff myself because I took too much insulin. As such I don't use insulin even though it does help with digestion maybe if I had a proper Dr prescribe me some lantis. But again some days I dont want to force carbs.
Its "Lantus" you moron
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I clicked on this thread looking for some valuable advice and recommendations as a natty lifer...Only to see it completely shitted up :'(
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An article from 2000! 24 years ago and he's just discovering this miracle healing power for Crohn's now after pumping himself full of drugs including GH (which he has admitted using multiple times before) for decades and having Crohn's for how long? He latches on to bullshit to help his rationalizations of his bad behavior.
Please do tell me how using HGH is morally good or bad??????????
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I clicked on this thread looking for some valuable advice and recommendations as a natty lifer...Only to see it completely shitted up :'(
If you have gone through pubery then your hormone surges are done...
Try 20 rep squats to boost your GH levels
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^This. A natural will gain on average 5-10 pounds a year for the first 3-4 years, then it plateaus. Some will gain more, some will gain less, but in the end it stops for everyone who isn't taking exogenous hormones. Pre 1940's bodybuilders are what can be attained naturally. Past that era chemical warfare began.
Yep. I've been maintaining for 40 years. The trick now is to see if I can go another 40.
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I am willing to try a lot of things for my health. I am at 3 months, and I am in complete remission. Does it always come back? Do I always think this time I did it I beat it? Yeah, sure so what so far so good.
Again, do you obtain your HGH via a legit prescription?
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An article from 2000! 24 years ago and he's just discovering this miracle healing power for Crohn's now after pumping himself full of drugs including GH (which he has admitted using multiple times before) for decades and having Crohn's for how long? He latches on to bullshit to help his rationalizations of his bad behavior.
a new york times article.....I am sure the author is an absolute expert on HGH. I could not read it as I will not subscribe to a fucking news paper.
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I clicked on this thread looking for some valuable advice and recommendations as a natty lifer...Only to see it completely shitted up :'(
Here's some advice....stay somewhat lean as a natural. If you do the bulk/cut bullshit being drug free you are only doing so because you want to eat like an asshole. Lift heavy, medium, and light. Protein doesn't need to be 3x bodyweight. Most naturals can get away with .8 gm / lb. Don't fear carbs....but don't eat them like they are going out of style. There are no test boosters that mimick drugs (like the ones brian takes). Don't train to failure every session. Hows that?
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If you have gone through pubery then your hormone surges are done...
Try 20 rep squats to boost your GH levels
In Brians case, 11 reps...you know those mensa people and counting
I believe there is a surge in hormones that come as a person nears 30...
Sauna and cold plunge are excellent for recovery, inflammation (hear that Brian), and HGH elevation (limited studies and require the 160 - 180 deg ones).
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a new york times article.....I am sure the author is an absolute expert on HGH. I could not read it as I will not subscribe to a fucking news paper.
Why do you even need an article it is common fucking sense the shit heals wounds and damaged tissue. Crohn's causes open wounds and damaged tissue throughout your digestive tract. What part are you missing?
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In Brians case, 11 reps...you know those mensa people and counting
I believe there is a surge in hormones that come as a person nears 30...
Sauna and cold plunge are excellent for recovery, inflammation (hear that Brian), and HGH elevation (limited studies and require the 160 - 180 deg ones).
is that "the death throes" ;D
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Why do you even need an article it is common fucking sense the shit heals wounds and damaged tissue. Crohn's causes open wounds and damaged tissue throughout your digestive tract. What part are you missing?
Hmmm...what part of tramadol is considered an opioid.....and that opioids do NOT allow you to absorb more nutrients?
You're article is valid....but the countless things you were shown are not? Even detailing the pharmaco-kinetics of an opioid on the physiology of digestions...you deny.
Do you or do you not have a medical script for your HGH?
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is that "the death throes" ;D
I have been known to make those sounds just getting out of bed.
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Hmmm...what part of tramadol is considered an opioid.....and that opioids do NOT allow you to absorb more nutrients?
You're article is valid....but the countless things you were shown are not? Even detailing the pharmaco-kinetics of an opioid on the physiology of digestions...you deny.
Do you or do you not have a medical script for your HGH?
he doesnt go to real doctors, he goes to underground pharmacies and as long as he pays they give him what he wants
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he doesnt go to real doctors, he goes to underground pharmacies and as long as he pays they give him what he wants
Ohhhhhh so Kumar Manamoosh (aka "Mike") is actually his "doctor"??
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Oh yeah Lantis pens one a day I have heard about such things but I just don't want to make my diet a do or die situation. I try to hit my macros but if I am full I don't want to have to stuff myself because I took too much insulin. As such I don't use insulin even though it does help with digestion maybe if I had a proper Dr prescribe me some lantis. But again some days I dont want to force carbs.
You don't have to alter your diet or really consider the Lantus at all, which is why I posted the hourly release rates. I think Lantus has lead to death, at like 600 units a day, not 15-20. It's just something you put in and see if it helps in any way. And especially if you're on GH.
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You don't have to alter your diet or really consider the Lantus at all, which is why I posted the hourly release rates. I think Lantus has lead to death, at like 600 units a day, not 15-20. It's just something you put in and see if it helps in any way. And especially if you're on GH.
I have heard guys say they take 100 units of lantis then 20-30 iu of the fast acting throughout the day after meals. I just don't think messing with insulin is a good idea when you have digestive issues. I don't want to constantly be worried about eating carbs. I also dont want to have to monitor my blood glucose levels. But maybe someday if and when I have everything else dialed in perfect. Honestly I would rather add IGF-1 and I don't have access to lantis anyway
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I have heard guys say they take 100 units of lantis then 20-30 iu of the fast acting throughout the day after meals. I just don't think messing with insulin is a good idea when you have digestive issues. I don't want to constantly be worried about eating carbs. I also dont want to have to monitor my blood glucose levels. But maybe someday if and when I have everything else dialed in perfect. Honestly I would rather add IGF-1 and I don't have access to lantis anyway
But I'm not talking about 100 units, that's fairly extreme. I'm sure you've done plenty IGF-1, most likely even for this show. Why wouldn't you? IGF-1 is mostly a carb loading drug, perfect for last week.
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Who said you have to take 100iu Lantus and 20-30 fast acting throughout the day. There are different methods for different objectives. Roman Fritz who is 300lbs ripped and eats 1500 grams of carbs takes those amounts, 100iu Lantus and 25iu x 4 Novorapid INTRAVENOUS. But don't take it if things are perfect already. You tried the fast acting for a couple of days, then you gave it up, hardly a fair evaluation. When you could just take it preworkout at a modest dose for a SMALL added anabolic kick and then evaluate after 3-4 months to see of it gave anything. Lantus has been shown to both increase IGF-1 nicely as well as increase appetite, studies on diabetics, not all insulins are the same in these respects. In fact, Lantus can be so impressive in raising IGF that there's been questions about increasing cancer risk.
Many take take all their GH at bedtime, whether 2iu or 30iu with 10-20iu of Lantus to both negate the increase in glucose from GH as well as increase the IGF from the GH further. The Lantus would be protective in this way, you don't even need any extra carbs during the night, if you had SOME at bedtime.
I know you won't do any of this but decided to edit it in anyway :D
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Sadness
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I have heard guys say they take 100 units of lantis then 20-30 iu of the fast acting throughout the day after meals. I just don't think messing with insulin is a good idea when you have digestive issues. I don't want to constantly be worried about eating carbs. I also dont want to have to monitor my blood glucose levels. But maybe someday if and when I have everything else dialed in perfect. Honestly I would rather add IGF-1 and I don't have access to lantis anyway
its lantus you fucking idiot, I have told you once already
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Being a junkie is morally bad. Lying is morally bad. Lying about taking drugs claiming they are prescribed is morally bad.
Take whatever you want, GH included, and I don’t really care but lying to everyone including your wife about it all is morally bad. And the smell on your 6 hour flight will be morally bad.
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a new york times article.....I am sure the author is an absolute expert on HGH. I could not read it as I will not subscribe to a fucking news paper.
24 years ago, someone wrote an article in the New York Times and Bohunk is just now catching on and wants to use it for his Crohns that he’s been plagued with forever. Makes sense.
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24 years ago, someone wrote an article in the New York Times and Bohunk is just now catching on and wants to use it for his Crohns that he’s been plagued with forever. Makes sense.
I wonder how his anemia has gone into remission randomly
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Being a junkie is morally bad. Lying is morally bad. Lying about taking drugs claiming they are prescribed is morally bad.
Take whatever you want, GH included, and I don’t really care but lying to everyone including your wife about it all is morally bad. And the smell on your 6 hour flight will be morally bad.
I am not a junkie I am also not lying to anyone. I told you guys day 1 I was on HRT. I told you guys when I came back on HGH therapy. My wife is well aware of it. I have nothing to hide. Being on HGH therapy is not some kind of moral failure just nonsense. Millions of Americans are prescribed hormonal therapy as they age not sure why I am being singled out for attack. I also smell great you fucking weirdo
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I am not a junkie I am also not lying to anyone. I told you guys day 1 I was on HRT. I told you guys when I came back on HGH therapy. My wife is well aware of it. I have nothing to hide. Being on HGH therapy is not some kind of moral failure just nonsense. Millions of Americans are prescribed hormonal therapy as they age not sure why I am being singled out for attack. I also smell great you fucking weirdo
You have been singled out for attack.
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I am not a junkie I am also not lying to anyone. I told you guys day 1 I was on HRT. I told you guys when I came back on HGH therapy. My wife is well aware of it. I have nothing to hide. Being on HGH therapy is not some kind of moral failure just nonsense. Millions of Americans are prescribed hormonal therapy as they age not sure why I am being singled out for attack. I also smell great you fucking weirdo
Do you have a script for the HGH?
Why do you keep your bottles of tramadol around if you say you will never take them?
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I am not a junkie I am also not lying to anyone. I told you guys day 1 I was on HRT. I told you guys when I came back on HGH therapy. My wife is well aware of it. I have nothing to hide. Being on HGH therapy is not some kind of moral failure just nonsense. Millions of Americans are prescribed hormonal therapy as they age not sure why I am being singled out for attack. I also smell great you fucking weirdo
500 mg a week is not HRT
That’s a a cycle
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I am not a junkie I am also not lying to anyone. I told you guys day 1 I was on HRT. I told you guys when I came back on HGH therapy. My wife is well aware of it. I have nothing to hide. Being on HGH therapy is not some kind of moral failure just nonsense. Millions of Americans are prescribed hormonal therapy as they age not sure why I am being singled out for attack. I also smell great you fucking weirdo
You smell like fear, self-loathing and shit.
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Taking GH and looking like this is ridiculous. But hey, it's "therapy."
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"I love the smell of Opioids in the morning" !!!!!!!1111111111111 LOL ;D
A fucking junkie in the making. :(
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(https://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=692124.0;attach=1506562;image)
ROLL OUT THE BARREL....WE`LL HAVE A BARREL OF GUT ! :D