Some of these responses are priceless....allow me to clear up a few misconceptions boys...
The guys in the old days took as much shit (relative to what they had at the time) as any BBers of any era since...
Bullshit. Let's see: testosterone, deca, Primobolan, Parabolan,, etc. All these drugs were introduced into the market in Europe in the late 1960s to early 1970s. Even more powerful drugs, like Anadrol and D-dol, have been available since the late 1950s. Anadrol was introduced in 1958! So according to you, the pros of that era took as much steroids as the ones today? So Boyer Coe, Frank Zane, Larry Scott, etc, were all taking up to 4,500 mg of testosterone a week, 1,400 mg of trenbolone and whole boxes of Hemogenin(Anadrol) a day? I am asking this because I lived in Brazil and knew top amateur bodybuilders there and they flat out told me this is the amount they take, and they are much smaller than American and European IFBB pros. Saying that the only reason why pros today are so much bigger is because they train smarter is ridiculous! You are pretty much being a PR for bodybuilding and parroting FLEX Magazine lines. These guys wouldn't step onstage at around 210 lbs like they did if they took this amount of drugs. Hell, horses given pellets of trenbolone gain up to 50% more lean muscle in less than a year without even working out!
especially since they had 100 percent pharma grade gear at the disposal,
Oh please, "pharma grade" is bullshit. A molecule is a molecule is a molecule. A molecule of testosterone in Sustanon is the same molecule in a vial of Reforvit for veterinarian applications. The only difference between pharmaceutical-grade steroids and those for veterinarian applications is sterility only!!!! Human preparations have less impurities than those for Veterinarian applications so as to avoid infections on Humans, but the molecule there is the same. What ignorance. You obviously don't know high school chemistry otherwise you would know that a molecule is a molecule.
and no one gave a shit legally...some of actually believe there was some sort of "moral compass" that they adhered to...? LOL. PLEASE....
Not a moral compass, but what they considered to be safe and effective. They went by the medical handbook back then for doses that were considered effective for anabolism, because steroids were prescribed by doctors and
they could not prescribe more than a certain dose. Most pros didn't want to mess with the illegal market, so they went straight to the doctor and asked them to prescribe steroids for them. Arnold especifically said he had a doctor in SoCal that prescribed him his d-bol and Primobolan and he never had to turn to black market.
They took shit by the handfuls, and often....
If these pros knew what modern bodybilders took they would be aghast and appalled. What they considered abuse is a joke compared to what modern pros take. I have seen a Brazilian National bodybuilding champion injecting 4 ampoules of Durateston at once(same syringe), and he told me he would do that another two times that week. That is 3,000 mg of testosterone, and these guys are much smaller than IFBB pros so just imagine what Olympia-level pros take.
One only needs to look at the stories of Michalick and Grymko for a general idea of the abuse that took place.
First of all, they were being facetious. Secondly, in their stories they never mention taking entire boxes of Hemogenin a day or up to a gram of test in one day. Not even close to that.
It's not like they were being selective of what gear they wanted to take and what not too....
They took what their doctors prescribed them, and the doctors went by the medical handbook for doses. That is, 200 mg of Deca a week for weight gain/anabolism purposes. 20 mg of d-bol a day for 4 weeks on, 2 weeks off cycle. Those were the doses of the 1970s. Back then, bodybuilders still believed that big muscles came from training and that drugs were only to help with recovery. The modern idea that drugs do the real job of muscle-building and that the training is just a catalyst started in the late 1980s.
had GH, IGF1, and any other assortment of designer steroids been invented at the time, you can bet your ass they would have been taking them too...
True.
as for training...they did train harder...at the expense of training SMARTER, as they didn't know any better for the info tha was present at the time...Overtraining, over dieting, starvation diets using Adepex as a suppressant for appetite, lack of recovery, crappy equipment, etc, etc....gym wise, they trained no harder than the pros
That is true, but it is besides the point. I am talking about the mentality of the pros of that era compared to the ones of today and not about training effectiveness. The bottom line is that they believed that training was the most important thing for muscle gains and that steroids were just a compliment. That is the opposite of modern pros, who believe that drugs are the most important thing for muscle gains and that training is a secondary consideration. Modern pros give a lot more attention and importance to their drug cycles than to their training. This is the opposite of 1960s and 1970s pros for whom training was the most important consideration.
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