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Title: Congressional hearings on TV now - steroids and baseball
Post by: Tre on February 13, 2008, 08:24:58 AM
What a huge waste of our money!

McNamee, as expected, comes off as half-believable, but what half do you believe?? 

And thanks to Iran-Contra, "I don't recall" has become a staple in American jurisprudence.  Clemens is having a field day with it!   ;D
Title: Re: Congressional hearings - steroids and baseball
Post by: nder98 on February 13, 2008, 08:28:14 AM
Clemens is getting owned..... ;D  Good, f**kin dick threw a bat at Piazza..  ;D
Title: Re: Congressional hearings - steroids and baseball
Post by: Tre on February 13, 2008, 08:34:51 AM

He's holding his own.  By being unable to recall specifics, he's doing quite well!   :D
Title: Re: Congressional hearings - steroids and baseball
Post by: Tre on February 13, 2008, 09:21:35 AM

They're killing the McNamee side on the Canseco luncheon issue. 
Title: Re: Congressional hearings - steroids and baseball
Post by: Pete Dimano on February 13, 2008, 09:25:18 AM
if those needles have hgh and clemens blood in them... it's gonna be hard to deny anything.

Clemens should have just admitted everything, retired, and lived the good life.  Trying to "clear his name and preserve his legacy" when he probably did break the rules is silly.

I guess ppl go thru a lot of work to save face.  Mcgwire was the smart one - "no comment".
Title: Re: Congressional hearings - steroids and baseball
Post by: emn1964 on February 13, 2008, 09:28:46 AM
Bald faced lying under oath.  His arrogance has put himself in an untenable position of having to deny taking drugs and looking like a complete liar.  Now he has lied under oath and if the US Attorney wants to press the issue he will be going bye bye.  Let's see how arrogant he is then.
Title: Re: Congressional hearings - steroids and baseball
Post by: Pete Dimano on February 13, 2008, 09:32:45 AM
Bald faced lying under oath.  His arrogance has put himself in an untenable position of having to deny taking drugs and looking like a complete liar.  Now he has lied under oath and if the US Attorney wants to press the issue he will be going bye bye.  Let's see how arrogant he is then.

LOL... Imagine going to prison because you lied to save face.

not for using the drugs, but for lying to congress.

Clemens is giving them all the fodder they need for a perjury conviction today.
Title: Re: Congressional hearings - steroids and baseball
Post by: Tre on February 13, 2008, 09:36:49 AM
Clemens is giving them all the fodder they need for a perjury conviction today.

Are you kidding??

The Republicans are killing McNamee, while the Democrats are just flailing against Clemens. 
Title: Re: Congressional hearings - steroids and baseball
Post by: medz zeppelin on February 13, 2008, 09:39:13 AM
Clemons lying his fuckin ass off...............wait till the syringes with Steroid residue and Clemons DNA comes back positive
Title: Re: Congressional hearings - steroids and baseball
Post by: emn1964 on February 13, 2008, 09:40:19 AM
LOL... Imagine going to prison because you lied to save face.

not for using the drugs, but for lying to congress.

Clemens is giving them all the fodder they need for a perjury conviction today.

These guys are so delusionally arrogant that they think that if they say something that it will be beleived without question.  The attitude really never ceases to amaze me.  Does he not understand the implications of this?  And why isn't he listening to his lawyer's advice to just stfu.
Title: Re: Congressional hearings - steroids and baseball
Post by: BayGBM on February 13, 2008, 09:40:56 AM
I'd do him!  ;D
Title: Re: Congressional hearings - steroids and baseball
Post by: CalvinH on February 13, 2008, 09:41:46 AM
Clemons lying his fuckin ass off...............wait till the syringes with Steroid residue and Clemons DNA comes back positive




Then he says "I didn't know he was shooting me with steroids.I thought it was b-12 and painkillers".
Title: Re: Congressional hearings - steroids and baseball
Post by: medz zeppelin on February 13, 2008, 09:44:20 AM
Conseco lying in Clemons behalf? Why out everyone else and cover up the fact that Roger was at his house for lunch and steroid talks?
Title: Re: Congressional hearings - steroids and baseball
Post by: medz zeppelin on February 13, 2008, 09:45:09 AM



Then he says "I didn't know he was shooting me with steroids.I thought it was b-12 and painkillers".
why not take B12 orally?
Title: Re: Congressional hearings - steroids and baseball
Post by: emn1964 on February 13, 2008, 09:56:50 AM
why not take B12 orally?

not as effective. mostly broken down in the digestive tract.
Title: Re: Congressional hearings on TV now - steroids and baseball
Post by: Slintowin4424 on February 13, 2008, 10:00:53 AM
What channel is thsi on do any of you know?
Title: Re: Congressional hearings on TV now - steroids and baseball
Post by: Playboy on February 13, 2008, 10:02:16 AM
Clemens on gas.....biggest joke of the decade. They guy had a pot that hung to the floor and 3 chins. AAS build muscle/burn bodyfat. Regardless, steriods in baseball is ridiculous anyway. Sus 250, deca, winny and HGH all to hit a ball. There is no benefit to a baseball player on gas. It's a hand/eye co-ordination sport. That would be like a billiards player taking gas to sink an 8 ball in the corner pocket. Talk about shooting blanks and a waste of AAS. And for the US government to put something as moronic as steroids in baseball ahead of bigger problems like terrorism, homeland security and getting guns and violence off the street is absolutely ludacris.
Title: Re: Congressional hearings on TV now - steroids and baseball
Post by: WhiteCastle on February 13, 2008, 10:06:06 AM
Clemens on gas.....biggest joke of the decade. They guy had a pot that hung to the floor and 3 chins. AAS build muscle/burn bodyfat. Regardless, steriods in baseball is ridiculous anyway. Sus 250, deca, winny and HGH all to hit a ball. There is no benefit to a baseball player on gas. It's a hand/eye co-ordination sport. That would be like a billiards player taking gas to sink an 8 ball in the corner pocket. Talk about shooting blanks and a waste of AAS. And for the US government to put something as moronic as steroids in baseball ahead of bigger problems like terrorism, homeland security and getting guns and violence off the street is absolutely ludacris.

Yeah, it didn't help Clemens at all.  ::)
(http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2008/02/10/sports/10score_GFX2.jpg)
Title: Re: Congressional hearings on TV now - steroids and baseball
Post by: Playboy on February 13, 2008, 10:08:02 AM
Yeah, it didn't help Clemens at all.  ::)
(http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2008/02/10/sports/10score_GFX2.jpg)
So according to you, taking 500mgs of test and 500mgs of deca will halp your curveball???  ::)
Title: Re: Congressional hearings on TV now - steroids and baseball
Post by: CalvinH on February 13, 2008, 10:11:00 AM
So according to you, taking 500mgs of test and 500mgs of deca will halp your curveball???  ::)






Nope,but what about recovery time? or helping a player during the "dog days of August" when their bodies start to supposedly wear down?
Title: Re: Congressional hearings on TV now - steroids and baseball
Post by: WhiteCastle on February 13, 2008, 10:13:31 AM
Not according to me; according to the data on Clemens' record and similar pitchers.  On the age axis, where Clemens curve achieves a positive convection is [coincidentally] when he was allegedly beginning steroid use.  
Title: Re: Congressional hearings on TV now - steroids and baseball
Post by: dogpound on February 13, 2008, 10:13:55 AM
What channel is thsi on do any of you know?


I was watching it on espn.
Title: Re: Congressional hearings on TV now - steroids and baseball
Post by: Playboy on February 13, 2008, 10:15:48 AM





Nope,but what about recovery time? or helping a player during the "dog days of August" when their bodies start to supposedly wear down?
AAS build muscle and burn fat. They have nothing to do with a players endurance. He doesn't ahve to recover asap. A starting pitcher plays one game out of every 4 on the rotation.
Title: Re: Congressional hearings - steroids and baseball
Post by: Tre on February 13, 2008, 10:19:57 AM
I'd do him!  ;D

LOL @ Bay keepin' it real!   :)
Title: Re: Congressional hearings on TV now - steroids and baseball
Post by: Tre on February 13, 2008, 10:54:43 AM

One of them just asked Roger if he was a 'vegan' and Roger was like, "What?"

lol

Congressman Braley (Democrat) is attacking Clemens for his vitamin B12 use and for allowing Brian McNamee to give him a 'chiropractic adjustment' despite not being a licensed chiropractor. 
Title: Re: Congressional hearings on TV now - steroids and baseball
Post by: Pete Dimano on February 13, 2008, 10:55:15 AM
Congress asked Clemens for maid (crucial witness)'s contact info on friday.

He didn't respond to them.

Instead, he ignored the request, invited her over that sunday (after not seeing her for 6 years), he asks her all about what she plans to say, then he gives congress their info late monday.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm witness tampering?
Title: Re: Congressional hearings on TV now - steroids and baseball
Post by: Pete Dimano on February 13, 2008, 10:59:43 AM
one man is lying to congress and the nation and belongs in prison for perjury.


is it the the trainer - who came fwd, spilled the beans, and has a syringe with DNA on it...

or is the the pitcher who outpitched age, tampered with a witness, and refuses a polygraph?
Title: Re: Congressional hearings on TV now - steroids and baseball
Post by: stuntmovie on February 13, 2008, 11:02:46 AM
Many years ago they asked similar questions and burned the "culprit" to death while tied to a wooden stake regardless of the stupid question.
Title: Re: Congressional hearings on TV now - steroids and baseball
Post by: tweeter on February 13, 2008, 11:03:55 AM
How would steriods cause your leg to need to be amputated? Congressman Duncan mentioned this earlier.
Title: Re: Congressional hearings on TV now - steroids and baseball
Post by: mass 04 on February 13, 2008, 11:05:43 AM
I hope Roger doesn't grow a third ear out of his forehead. That could hurt his testimony.
Title: Re: Congressional hearings on TV now - steroids and baseball
Post by: Croatch on February 13, 2008, 11:08:26 AM
I hope Roger doesn't grow a third ear out of his forehead. That could hurt his testimony.
haha.  That interviewer for 60 Minutes should have smacked him right there.  Hell, even I wanted to ring his neck when he started talking about how steroids would break you down and it wouldn't help his performance...haha  Roids do nothing, but make you grow arms off your head, etc...haha, what a fucking idiot.
Title: Re: Congressional hearings - steroids and baseball
Post by: nycbull on February 13, 2008, 11:08:35 AM
I'd do him!  ;D

I hear ya bro!!.....they should let him go just cause he's hot. ;D
Title: Re: Congressional hearings on TV now - steroids and baseball
Post by: Tre on February 13, 2008, 11:15:35 AM

"It is what it is."

But of course, we all know that even that depends on what the definition of 'is' is. 
Title: Re: Congressional hearings on TV now - steroids and baseball
Post by: CC3 on February 13, 2008, 11:16:31 AM
AAS build muscle and burn fat. They have nothing to do with a players endurance. He doesn't ahve to recover asap. A starting pitcher plays one game out of every 4 on the rotation.

You are showing that you know absolutely nothing about the realities of the sport of baseball.  No one said anything about endurance; the real concern is recovery.  Do you have any earthly idea whatsoever what throwing 85+ for six to seven innings - even only every four or five days - does to your arm and shoulder?  Actually, I can answer that for you: no, you don't.  Otherwise, you obviously would not have said what you said.

I would venture to guess you really don't know much about AAS either, as you seem to be one of the people that think their only purpose is for building/preserving muscle and losing fat.
Title: Re: Congressional hearings on TV now - steroids and baseball
Post by: Monster_Everything on February 13, 2008, 11:17:29 AM
Looks like Roger is going to get off scott free....

Innocent = $$$$+ America
Title: Re: Congressional hearings on TV now - steroids and baseball
Post by: mass 04 on February 13, 2008, 11:17:46 AM
You are showing that you know absolutely nothing about the realities of the sport of baseball.  No one said anything about endurance; the real concern is recovery.  Do you have any earthly idea whatsoever what throwing 85+ for six to seven innings - even only every four or five days - does to your arm and shoulder?  Actually, I can answer that for you: no, you don't.  Otherwise, you obviously would not have said what you said.

I would venture to guess you really don't know much about AAS either, as you seem to be one of the people that think their only purpose is for building/preserving muscle and losing fat.
Hi Roger! How is the hearing going?
Title: Re: Congressional hearings on TV now - steroids and baseball
Post by: Croatch on February 13, 2008, 11:18:19 AM
When someone outright perjures themself...they should hit them with a mandatory 5 years.  I can't imagine some douchebag putting himself in that situation.  Only to try and convince the public you didn't do something.  Epic Denial Problems. ;)
Title: Re: Congressional hearings on TV now - steroids and baseball
Post by: Croatch on February 13, 2008, 11:19:52 AM
You are showing that you know absolutely nothing about the realities of the sport of baseball.  No one said anything about endurance; the real concern is recovery.  Do you have any earthly idea whatsoever what throwing 85+ for six to seven innings - even only every four or five days - does to your arm and shoulder?  Actually, I can answer that for you: no, you don't.  Otherwise, you obviously would not have said what you said.

I would venture to guess you really don't know much about AAS either, as you seem to be one of the people that think their only purpose is for building/preserving muscle and losing fat.
Take it easy.  This is getbig.  You don't need to know actual facts when posting.  As long as you make sense in your own mind, that's what counts. ;D
Title: Re: Congressional hearings on TV now - steroids and baseball
Post by: Monster_Everything on February 13, 2008, 11:19:58 AM
When are they going to say that one is lying and the other is not ? Its just like a group discussion with no end in sight. Is there a vote?

And that lady with the four pictures of Roger asking why he isnt any bigger is an idiot ..
Title: Re: Congressional hearings on TV now - steroids and baseball
Post by: mass 04 on February 13, 2008, 11:22:46 AM
Take it easy.  This is getbig.  You don't need to know actual facts when posting.  As long as you make sense in your own mind, that's what counts. ;D
Yes! I'm right 86% of the time, every time.
Title: Re: Congressional hearings on TV now - steroids and baseball
Post by: nycbull on February 13, 2008, 11:24:26 AM
You are showing that you know absolutely nothing about the realities of the sport of baseball.  No one said anything about endurance; the real concern is recovery.  Do you have any earthly idea whatsoever what throwing 85+ for six to seven innings - even only every four or five days - does to your arm and shoulder?  Actually, I can answer that for you: no, you don't.  Otherwise, you obviously would not have said what you said.

I would venture to guess you really don't know much about AAS either, as you seem to be one of the people that think their only purpose is for building/preserving muscle and losing fat.

totally agree, athletes should be able to use them for recover from serious injuries, like a medicine. Its unbelievable that they are not allowed by law to properly medicate their injuries.  Maybe it can be done off season or at very low dosages.

To deny someone these healing medicines is unethical.

It goes against the Hippocratic Oath.
Title: Re: Congressional hearings on TV now - steroids and baseball
Post by: Tre on February 13, 2008, 11:27:47 AM
You are showing that you know absolutely nothing about the realities of the sport of baseball.  No one said anything about endurance; the real concern is recovery.  Do you have any earthly idea whatsoever what throwing 85+ for six to seven innings - even only every four or five days - does to your arm and shoulder?  Actually, I can answer that for you: no, you don't.  Otherwise, you obviously would not have said what you said.

I would venture to guess you really don't know much about AAS either, as you seem to be one of the people that think their only purpose is for building/preserving muscle and losing fat.

Yes, HGH speeds up recovery times.

How is this 'dangerous'?  

Beyond that, how can its use be considered unethical?

I really want HGH taken out of the steroid debate, but today's hearings did nothing to help my cause.  
Title: Re: Congressional hearings - steroids and baseball
Post by: BayGBM on February 13, 2008, 11:32:40 AM
one man is lying to congress and the nation and belongs in prison for perjury.


is it the the trainer - who came fwd, spilled the beans, and has a syringe with DNA on it...

or is the the pitcher who outpitched age, tampered with a witness, and refuses a polygraph?

Ouch!  :-[


I hear ya bro!!.....they should let him go just cause he's hot. ;D

No.  But give him to me... I'd punish him real good.  ;D
Title: Re: Congressional hearings on TV now - steroids and baseball
Post by: MB_722 on February 13, 2008, 11:33:13 AM
mcnamee got owned right now
Title: Re: Congressional hearings on TV now - steroids and baseball
Post by: Croatch on February 13, 2008, 11:34:46 AM
Quote
http://sports.espn.go.com/broadband/video/videopage?videoId=3243081&categoryId=3153777
Videos on the hearing.

Man, watching this really gives you a good perspective at the number of dollars we waste on useless shit in this country every day...haha
If they came out with evidence that Clemens used, that would be one funny event.
Title: Re: Congressional hearings on TV now - steroids and baseball
Post by: Pete Dimano on February 13, 2008, 11:35:03 AM
Looks like Roger is going to get off scott free....

Innocent = $$$$+ America

bonds' comments today will now be analyzed for months.

They'll be compared to a great deal of empirical evidence.  All the little things he 'made up on the spot' today will now be deconstructed.

if he lied about one thing, charges will be filed.  Ask barry Bonds.
Title: Re: Congressional hearings on TV now - steroids and baseball
Post by: Tre on February 13, 2008, 11:46:08 AM

The Democrats - collectively - aren't even trying to hide the fact that they want to bring Clemens down.

Why are the Democrats so aggressively taking the side of the drug DEALER???
Title: Re: Congressional hearings on TV now - steroids and baseball
Post by: Tre on February 13, 2008, 11:51:46 AM
mcnamee got owned right now

Shays: "You were a drug dealer."

McNamee: "That's your opinion.  I just did what they asked."

Shays: "You were dealing with drugs, were you not?"

McNamee: "Yes."

Shays: "And the drugs you dealt with were illegal, were they not?"

McNamee: "Yes."

Shays: "Then explain to me how you are not a drug dealer."

McNamee: "That's your opinion."

Shays: "I'm asking you, sir, to tell me how dealing in illegal drugs makes you something other than a drug dealer."

McNamee =  pwnt
Title: Re: Congressional hearings on TV now - steroids and baseball
Post by: NubianMuscle on February 13, 2008, 11:53:54 AM
Chairman Waxman...

"Someone is not telling the truth!"

 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Congressional hearings on TV now - steroids and baseball
Post by: Tre on February 13, 2008, 12:02:23 PM
"Excuse me, but this is not your time to argue with me."   - Mr. Waxman, Chairman, House Oversight Committee to Roger Clemens, who was calling Waxman on his bullshit

Waxman *definitely* defending McNamee...even going so far as to APOLOGIZE to him.

Waxman = DEMOCRAT, CALIFORNIA

Need I say more?   ::)

Title: Re: Congressional hearings on TV now - steroids and baseball
Post by: emn1964 on February 13, 2008, 12:11:09 PM
Shays: "You were a drug dealer."

McNamee: "That's your opinion.  I just did what they asked."

Shays: "You were dealing with drugs, were you not?"

McNamee: "Yes."

Shays: "And the drugs you dealt with were illegal, were they not?"

McNamee: "Yes."

Shays: "Then explain to me how you are not a drug dealer."

McNamee: "That's your opinion."

Shays: "I'm asking you, sir, to tell me how dealing in illegal drugs makes you something other than a drug dealer."

McNamee =  pwnt

This little exchange is much ado about nothing.  So what, he sold drugs but he doesn't consider himself a drug dealer.  The important thing is that he admits to selling drugs.  Does the fact that he doesn't consider himself a dealer make his testimony any less credible?  No.
Title: Re: Congressional hearings on TV now - steroids and baseball
Post by: CC3 on February 13, 2008, 12:17:24 PM
Yes, HGH speeds up recovery times.

How is this 'dangerous'? 

Beyond that, how can its use be considered unethical?

I really want HGH taken out of the steroid debate, but today's hearings did nothing to help my cause. 

Are you asking me?  Because I never said a word about AAS or hGH being "dangerous" or "unethical". 

In fact, I've long been saying that they should be legalized in every sport, provided they are done under supervision (to prevent athletes from getting an abscess, shutting down their T production altogether, getting gyno, etc.).  So many people are already doing it anyway - albeit stupidly in a lot of cases - that someone may as well show them how to do it right.
Title: Re: Congressional hearings on TV now - steroids and baseball
Post by: Playboy on February 13, 2008, 12:19:48 PM
You are showing that you know absolutely nothing about the realities of the sport of baseball.  No one said anything about endurance; the real concern is recovery.  Do you have any earthly idea whatsoever what throwing 85+ for six to seven innings - even only every four or five days - does to your arm and shoulder?  Actually, I can answer that for you: no, you don't.  Otherwise, you obviously would not have said what you said.

I would venture to guess you really don't know much about AAS either, as you seem to be one of the people that think their only purpose is for building/preserving muscle and losing fat.
Yes I do know and I have been around AAS and bbdg way longer than you. Secondly, you're a newbie here with your little 2 stars so don't talk down to me.
Title: Re: Congressional hearings on TV now - steroids and baseball
Post by: MB_722 on February 13, 2008, 12:21:59 PM
Yes I do know and I have been around AAS and bbdg way longer than you. Secondly, you're a newbie here with your little 2 stars so don't talk down to me.

LOL  ;D
Title: Re: Congressional hearings on TV now - steroids and baseball
Post by: emn1964 on February 13, 2008, 12:30:59 PM
Yes I do know and I have been around AAS and bbdg way longer than you. Secondly, you're a newbie here with your little 2 stars so don't talk down to me.

what a nitwit.  because you have more posts people are supposed to look up to you?  god you're a douche
Title: Re: Congressional hearings on TV now - steroids and baseball
Post by: CC3 on February 13, 2008, 12:37:28 PM
Yes I do know and I have been around AAS and bbdg way longer than you. Secondly, you're a newbie here with your little 2 stars so don't talk down to me.

Who questioned your knowledge about bodybuilding?  And if you really knew as much about AAS as you seem to be claiming, you would not have made such a simplistic statement as "AAS builds muscle and burns fat."  If you're so knowledgeable, you should know there's a lot more to it than that.

I wasn't talking down to you; I simply pointed out the fallacious argument you made regarding baseball in general and pitchers in particular.

Lastly, stars have nothing to do with how much someone knows or how long they've been reading this board.  I've been reading this board a lot longer than you probably think.
Title: Re: Congressional hearings on TV now - steroids and baseball
Post by: jaejonna on February 13, 2008, 12:40:35 PM
.

Lastly, stars have nothing to do with how much someone knows or how long they've been reading this board.  I've been reading this board a lot longer than you probably think.
I know nothing about AAs and i have alot of stars
Title: Re: Congressional hearings on TV now - steroids and baseball
Post by: Arnold jr on February 13, 2008, 12:53:48 PM
Here is more fabulous info.

The whole point of this investigation is based around Clemens using HGH between 1998-2001 without a prescription. The statute of limitations on such a crime is 5yrs. In short, there is nothing to convict him for that can hold in a court of law...if this goes to court, if he did in fact use HGH without a prescription can not be brought into any court in the U.S.

The only thing now admissible in court is did Clemens comit perjury when testifying before congress. Obviously if the hearing had never taken place, he would not have been able to commit perjury. Seems like entrapment to me, since there is no basis behind the accusation, since the statute of limitations prevents it.

Just when you thought congress could not be more retarded they choose to amaze us again Tongue
Title: Re: Congressional hearings on TV now - steroids and baseball
Post by: pumpster on February 13, 2008, 01:13:42 PM
Clemens on gas.....biggest joke of the decade. They guy had a pot that hung to the floor and 3 chins. AAS build muscle/burn bodyfat. Regardless, steriods in baseball is ridiculous anyway. Sus 250, deca, winny and HGH all to hit a ball. There is no benefit to a baseball player on gas. It's a hand/eye co-ordination sport. That would be like a billiards player taking gas to sink an 8 ball in the corner pocket. Talk about shooting blanks and a waste of AAS. And for the US government to put something as moronic as steroids in baseball ahead of bigger problems like terrorism, homeland security and getting guns and violence off the street is absolutely ludacris.

You're on something if you really believe this.
Title: Re: Congressional hearings - steroids and baseball
Post by: pumpster on February 13, 2008, 01:14:45 PM
These guys are so delusionally arrogant that they think that if they say something that it will be beleived without question.  The attitude really never ceases to amaze me.  Does he not understand the implications of this?  And why isn't he listening to his lawyer's advice to just stfu.

Being treated as god for a couple of decades can do that, completely insulted from reality. Arrogant turd.
Title: Re: Congressional hearings on TV now - steroids and baseball
Post by: emn1964 on February 13, 2008, 01:16:07 PM
Here is more fabulous info.

The whole point of this investigation is based around Clemens using HGH between 1998-2001 without a prescription. The statute of limitations on such a crime is 5yrs. In short, there is nothing to convict him for that can hold in a court of law...if this goes to court, if he did in fact use HGH without a prescription can not be brought into any court in the U.S.

The only thing now admissible in court is did Clemens comit perjury when testifying before congress. Obviously if the hearing had never taken place, he would not have been able to commit perjury. Seems like entrapment to me, since there is no basis behind the accusation, since the statute of limitations prevents it.

Just when you thought congress could not be more retarded they choose to amaze us again Tongue

There's no entrapment.  Here's a novel idea for Roger--Tell the Fucking Truth!  See, tell the truth and they pin nothing on him.  Good lord what is so fucking hard about that.
Title: Re: Congressional hearings on TV now - steroids and baseball
Post by: Playboy on February 13, 2008, 01:27:57 PM
You're on something if you really believe this.
My argument was not that he didn't use but merely the stupidity of it. Weather clemens took or not I could care less.
Title: Re: Congressional hearings - steroids and baseball
Post by: medz zeppelin on February 13, 2008, 01:31:19 PM
Being treated as god for a couple of decades can do that, completely insulated from reality. Arrogant turd.
mixed
Title: Re: Congressional hearings on TV now - steroids and baseball
Post by: Playboy on February 13, 2008, 01:32:00 PM
what a nitwit.  because you have more posts people are supposed to look up to you?  god you're a douche
No, but I don't need people who barely post here to give me attitude because I stated my opinion on something.
Title: Re: Congressional hearings on TV now - steroids and baseball
Post by: Playboy on February 13, 2008, 01:32:39 PM
Who questioned your knowledge about bodybuilding?  And if you really knew as much about AAS as you seem to be claiming, you would not have made such a simplistic statement as "AAS builds muscle and burns fat."  If you're so knowledgeable, you should know there's a lot more to it than that.

I wasn't talking down to you; I simply pointed out the fallacious argument you made regarding baseball in general and pitchers in particular.

Lastly, stars have nothing to do with how much someone knows or how long they've been reading this board.  I've been reading this board a lot longer than you probably think.
I was simply stating my opinion and we are all entitled to it. Right?
Title: Re: Congressional hearings on TV now - steroids and baseball
Post by: emn1964 on February 13, 2008, 01:36:59 PM
No, but I don't need people who barely post here to give me attitude because I stated my opinion on something.

what does it matter if they barely post here?
Title: Re: Congressional hearings on TV now - steroids and baseball
Post by: The Squadfather on February 13, 2008, 01:37:39 PM
what a WONDERFUL use of taxpayer dollars. ::)
Title: Re: Congressional hearings on TV now - steroids and baseball
Post by: Emmortal on February 13, 2008, 01:42:19 PM
what a WONDERFUL use of taxpayer dollars. ::)

I know of about 90,000 homeless people in downtown LA who could have been fed for a couple of weeks off the money spent on these hearings.

Thank god they are spending it wisely.
Title: Re: Congressional hearings on TV now - steroids and baseball
Post by: avesher on February 13, 2008, 01:42:53 PM
what a WONDERFUL use of taxpayer dollars. ::)

best post so far----who fucking gives a big flying fuck about all this--its baseball, its not world war or hunger or anything important---its fucking baseball
Title: Re: Congressional hearings on TV now - steroids and baseball
Post by: Croatch on February 13, 2008, 01:45:31 PM
I know of about 90,000 homeless people in downtown LA who could have been fed for a couple of weeks off the money spent on these hearings.

Thank god they are spending it wisely.
Doesn't matter.  They'd be hungry after that meal anyhow. ;D
Title: Re: Congressional hearings on TV now - steroids and baseball
Post by: gh15 on February 13, 2008, 01:53:17 PM
the fat guy was on testosterone gh majority of the 90s,,he didnt do anything different than the others ,,he did exactly the same as the other fat mgwire,,both also used strength improving products such as halotestin and oxandrolone in oral forms

the  clemens fella has a lot of money and due to statue of limitation wont be able to be prosecuted for something everyone diesm,,,what he may suffer is perjury and a year in prison ,,again clemans is a republican and IS HIGHLY CONECTED TO THE REPUBLICAN PARTY IN THE USA,,

gh15 told you that when you have money you are king in usa,,clemens is not a king in the form of michael jackson ,,madonna ,,spilberg,,warren,,gh15,,,jordan,,,he is more of an inbetwen when it comes to money but highly connected to the republican party and thus most likley will never serve time even for perjury,,

again let me conclude this with the fact that every one in sports in america is using ENOURMOUS amounts and doses of products,,this is not a matter of 1 ampoule of testosterone once a week ,,,im talking here about consistant use of hormones through out ones career ,,,from young age before they even get into a team when they try out in highschool or latest duyring college years,,

the trainer is very honest,,but even he can not pin point to what a pro athlete and amatuer athlete uses because he will simply get murdered by the money  makers ,,BIG MONEY MAKERS,,who stand behind those athletes,,clemens is hghly involved in politics in usa,, its just the wrong tree to climb on but then again you see the reality in front of your face once again

he is a erogent fella but it is known for years,,takes lots of errogence to be sucesful in usa


Title: Re: Congressional hearings on TV now - steroids and baseball
Post by: Stavios on February 13, 2008, 01:55:41 PM
clemens is not a king in the form of michael jackson ,,madonna ,,spilberg,,warren,,gh15,,,jordan,,,

 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Congressional hearings on TV now - steroids and baseball
Post by: emn1964 on February 13, 2008, 02:00:12 PM
I used to enjoy reading gh15's posts.  Now he just sounds like an annoying twit with the same shit over and over again.
Title: Re: Congressional hearings on TV now - steroids and baseball
Post by: The Squadfather on February 13, 2008, 02:03:33 PM
I used to enjoy reading gh15's posts.  Now he just sounds like an annoying twit with the same shit over and over again.
you should listen to him, you might learn something.
Title: Re: Congressional hearings on TV now - steroids and baseball
Post by: emn1964 on February 13, 2008, 02:25:30 PM
you should listen to him, you might learn something.

guy please.  same shit over and over again.  tells us nothing we already don't know.
Title: Re: Congressional hearings on TV now - steroids and baseball
Post by: nycbull on February 13, 2008, 02:27:36 PM

again let me conclude this with the fact that every one in sports in america is using ENOURMOUS amounts and doses of products,,this is not a matter of 1 ampoule of testosterone once a week ,,,im talking here about consistant use of hormones through out ones career ,,,from young age before they even get into a team when they try out in highschool or latest duyring college years,,


yep, like the Shaq and the entire NBA...Basketball players are twice the size they used to be, The public thinks it is evolution and better vitamins ::)
Title: Re: Congressional hearings on TV now - steroids and baseball
Post by: Camel Jockey on February 13, 2008, 02:30:58 PM
Fuck congress.  ::)

First that shit where they had failed parents whing about their sons commiting suicide and now this bullshit.

Title: Re: Congressional hearings on TV now - steroids and baseball
Post by: Tre on February 13, 2008, 02:51:36 PM

Rep. Cummings speaking now on MSNBC...."I found Mr. McNamee to be...credible."

WTF??

PLEASE, for the love of god, STOP PUTTING IGNORANT BLACK PEOPLE ON TV IN FRONT OF AMERICA.

I know it makes me look ignorant to shout such a thing (on GetBig, no less), but it pisses me off when the words of an admitted drug dealer are deemed more credible than a family man who has no drug-related criminal record. 
Title: Re: Congressional hearings on TV now - steroids and baseball
Post by: CC3 on February 13, 2008, 02:56:07 PM
I was simply stating my opinion and we are all entitled to it. Right?

You are absolutely entitled to your opinion and I would never have a problem with someone stating theirs.  But when you say this,

Quote
AAS build muscle and burn fat. They have nothing to do with a players endurance. He doesn't ahve to recover asap. A starting pitcher plays one game out of every 4 on the rotation.

you are not saying it as if it is an opinion but as a statement of fact.  Furthermore, you go from speaking about "endurance" in one sentence to "recovery" in the next, which just doesn't make any sense.  They are not even close to the same thing.

Lastly, to say pitchers (or any athlete in any sport, for that matter) don't have to recover as soon as possible isn't an opinion, it's just plain wrong; even playing only one game out of four is extremely taxing.  An athlete's entire livelihood (translation: money) is based around every single performance, even more so in this day of free agency, when one missed play, shot, injury, bad pitch, etc. could mean a difference of millions of dollars and several years on a contract.
Title: Re: Congressional hearings on TV now - steroids and baseball
Post by: Tre on February 13, 2008, 02:57:48 PM
Are you asking me?  Because I never said a word about AAS or hGH being "dangerous" or "unethical". 

In fact, I've long been saying that they should be legalized in every sport, provided they are done under supervision (to prevent athletes from getting an abscess, shutting down their T production altogether, getting gyno, etc.).  So many people are already doing it anyway - albeit stupidly in a lot of cases - that someone may as well show them how to do it right.

No, I wasn't asking you personally about your position nor trying to put words in your mouth.

My concern is, in the national conversation, HGH has been lumped into the same category as Winstrol, etc. and I disagree with that categorization.  
Title: Re: Congressional hearings on TV now - steroids and baseball
Post by: CC3 on February 13, 2008, 03:12:36 PM
No, I wasn't asking you personally about your position nor trying to put words in your mouth.

My concern is, in the national conversation, HGH has been lumped into the same category as Winstrol, etc. and I disagree with that categorization. 

Right on.  I'm right there with you, man.
Title: Re: Congressional hearings on TV now - steroids and baseball
Post by: Croatch on February 13, 2008, 03:23:12 PM
No, I wasn't asking you personally about your position nor trying to put words in your mouth.

My concern is, in the national conversation, HGH has been lumped into the same category as Winstrol, etc. and I disagree with that categorization.  
Yeah, I'd put HGH with the harder drugs...heroin, cocaine, and crystal meth.
Title: Re: Congressional hearings on TV now - steroids and baseball
Post by: tweeter on February 13, 2008, 03:29:06 PM
The republicans sure love Clemens. He must have donated some $$$
Title: Re: Congressional hearings on TV now - steroids and baseball
Post by: Tre on February 13, 2008, 03:38:28 PM

Who here can recall details from conversations they had 10 years ago?

Title: Re: Congressional hearings on TV now - steroids and baseball
Post by: Arnold jr on February 13, 2008, 06:49:10 PM
There's no entrapment.  Here's a novel idea for Roger--Tell the Fucking Truth!  See, tell the truth and they pin nothing on him.  Good lord what is so fucking hard about that.
You're right, tell the truth and he can't see any jail time or any of that...since it's not admissible in court. But then he loses everything else...hall of fame, and more importantly to him, his status in MLB...at least as far as the public is concerned.
Title: Re: Congressional hearings on TV now - steroids and baseball
Post by: Croatch on February 13, 2008, 07:50:38 PM
You're right, tell the truth and he can't see any jail time or any of that...since it's not admissible in court. But then he loses everything else...hall of fame, and more importantly to him, his status in MLB...at least as far as the public is concerned.
Kind of ironic that just as he was about to retire, this comes out.  Funny how shit catches up with you in life.
Title: Re: Congressional hearings on TV now - steroids and baseball
Post by: avesher on February 13, 2008, 07:52:16 PM
again--who cares--its baseball---it just doesnt matter

although I do love that word    "misremembers"    Clemens is a retard.
Title: Re: Congressional hearings on TV now - steroids and baseball
Post by: Arnold jr on February 14, 2008, 12:12:34 AM
Kind of ironic that just as he was about to retire, this comes out.  Funny how shit catches up with you in life.
Agreed.

Also funny how this is being pushed so hard during a campaign year. Coincidence? Maybe but it makes you think.

again--who cares--its baseball---it just doesnt matter

You're right, it's baseball, and it shouldn't matter one iota to congress. If they spent half the time on legitimate issues that affect Americans daily, then they'd get a lot more done that was worth something.
Title: Re: Congressional hearings on TV now - steroids and baseball
Post by: gh15 on February 14, 2008, 12:21:47 AM
Agreed.

Also funny how this is being pushed so hard during a campaign year. Coincidence? Maybe but it makes you think.
You're right, it's baseball, and it shouldn't matter one iota to congress. If they spent half the time on legitimate issues that affect Americans daily, then they'd get a lot more done that was worth something.


there is a reason for all of it like i said here before,,you all just make sure mcain get in the white house and rest will be taken care of ,,,pay attention the approach that the repuiblicans start taking to this subject ,,make sure you check hosts such as shepard smith and bill oriely ,,,check diff right wing chanells in america,,its all getting prepared ,,,the republican will push this into none control the moment mccain gets in office as the first independent president of the new century,,

this is a begginign of discussion that will take a good 5 years but a new look will come out of it,,republican pushiing for it behind the scene and everything in america start with republicans ,,,the democrats cant do anything about it because when they in cotnrol anything goes,,,

what you want it mccain in white hosue and you need to help push it there as hard as you can ,,,you want the law to adjust and go back to a limited control and not total control and this will happen 5-7 years into mccain presidency but the gounds is getting readyt right now ,,follow the fox news channel around the world and you will see gh15 is right

remember to push mccain it is very important especially if obama is the contender since obama is a new begginign,,,the demon will lose to mccain since everyone hate her and love mccain but the black guy worry me,,,he is shows signs of greatness,,you need to push mccain in thats it ,,you got good 7-8 months
Title: Re: Congressional hearings on TV now - steroids and baseball
Post by: calmus on February 14, 2008, 12:23:06 AM

there is a reason for all of it like i said here before,,you all just make sure mcain get in the white house and rest will be taken care of ,,,pay attention the approach that the repuiblicans start taking to this subject ,,make sure you check hosts such as shepard smith and bill oriely ,,,check diff right wing chanells in america,,its all getting prepared ,,,the republican will push this into none control the moment mccain gets in office as the first independent president of the new century,,

this is a begginign of discussion that will take a good 5 years but a new look will come out of it,,republican pushiing for it behind the scene and everything in america start with republicans ,,,the democrats cant do anything about it because when they in cotnrol anything goes,,,

what you want it mccain in white hosue and you need to help push it there as hard as you can ,,,you want the law to adjust and go back to a limited control and not total control and this will happen 5-7 years into mccain presidency but the gounds is getting readyt right now ,,follow the fox news channel around the world and you will see gh15 is right

remember to push mccain it is very important especially if obama is the contender since obama is a new begginign,,,the demon will lose to mccain since everyone hate her and love mccain but the black guy worry me,,,he is shows signs of greatness,,you need to push mccain in thats it ,,you got good 7-8 months

YOu could help turn the tide for McCain if you got him to start posting here.
Title: Re: Congressional hearings on TV now - steroids and baseball
Post by: Tre on February 14, 2008, 08:51:36 AM
Fuck congress.  ::)

First that shit where they had failed parents whing about their sons commiting suicide and now this bullshit.

Their kid died for one of two reasons:

Either

1) he was mentally ill

or

2) they were shitty parents
Title: Re: Congressional hearings on TV now - steroids and baseball
Post by: emn1964 on February 14, 2008, 02:08:31 PM
Their kid died for one of two reasons:

Either

1) he was mentally ill

or

2) they were shitty parents

It was a combination of the two.  His parents pushed him unmercifully into baseball and basically created a human who's self worth was determined by his accomplishments in baseball.  I remember an interview with them where it was so clear that they pushed this kid to the breaking point.
Title: Re: Congressional hearings on TV now - steroids and baseball
Post by: G o a t b o y on February 14, 2008, 02:16:30 PM
A. Of course Clemens used gear.
B. Who fucking cares? So does everyone else. I hope he gets away with it.
C. Congress are a bunch of useless douchebags.

That is all.
Title: Re: Congressional hearings on TV now - steroids and baseball
Post by: CC3 on February 14, 2008, 02:31:27 PM
It was a combination of the two.  His parents pushed him unmercifully into baseball and basically created a human who's self worth was determined by his accomplishments in baseball.  I remember an interview with them where it was so clear that they pushed this kid to the breaking point.

Were these the same parents who were on that MTV True Life episode about steroids a while back?  I didn't see the hearing, and I'm just curious.
Title: Re: Congressional hearings on TV now - steroids and baseball
Post by: Camel Jockey on February 14, 2008, 02:36:43 PM
Yeah, I'd put HGH with the harder drugs...heroin, cocaine, and crystal meth.

Well, you're a jealous asshole who's got a problem with steroid users.

Spare the rest of us who could care less and would rather have our tax money better spent.