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LIBTARDS.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2014/08/18/wsjs_jason_riley_black_men_are_afraid_of_being_shot_by_other_black_men_not_by_cops.html
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Option FAIL will not agree
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Option FAIL will not agree
Option FAIL is blind. Poor soul.
El mocoso esta ciego. Pobre infeliz.
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Jason riley is awesome. Libs have no answer for him
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"When I go to the money machine tonight,
I'm not looking over my back for the media....I'M LOOKING FOR N------S!!
Ted Koppel ain't never took s--t from me; N-----S HAVE!!
You think I got three guns in my house because of the media?" - Chris Rock, addressing how the media make some black people look bad.
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In before 24kt's excuses for blacks!
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this doesn't get any funnier the more you spam it.
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I'm curious as to why he insists there is nothing fishy with regards to the police investigation, when release of the dispatch tapes clearly indicate a cover-up. For hours Ferguson denied any altercation even took place let alone a fatal police shooting.
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Thanks for that clip RRKore.
The truth of that video is so ironically self-evident, I'm not sure if it makes me want to laugh or cry.
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Btw, the peaceful protests have spread well beyond Ferguson, Missouri. They're now "International"
Huge Vigil & Protest in Nova Scotia, Canada, as demonstrators locked arms and marched through the streets holding placards, and demanding justice, and an end to the genocide of young Black males in the USA at the hands of police. The demonstrators chanted "Hands Up, Don't Shoot!" as they marched through the streets. The demonstration ended peacefully without tear gas or rubber bullets. There were no incidents or arrests.
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Btw, the peaceful protests have spread well beyond Ferguson, Missouri. They're now "International"
Huge Vigil & Protest in Nova Scotia, Canada, as demonstrators locked arms and marched through the streets holding placards, and demanding justice, and an end to the genocide of young Black males in the USA at the hands of police. The demonstrators chanted "Hands Up, Don't Shoot!" as they marched through the streets. The demonstration ended peacefully without tear gas or rubber bullets. There were no incidents or arrests.
Yes, the epidemic of racist white cops routinely looking for innocent black children to execute has really gotten out of hand. I mean there has been at least 5000 innocent black good little boys ruthlessly executed by evil white cops this year alone...i mean i have seen them myself driving into wonderful black communities and shooting down black schoolchildren who were just walking down the street. End the madness now!!! ::)
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Yes, the epidemic of racist white cops routinely looking for innocent black children to execute has really gotten out of hand. I mean there has been at least 5000 innocent black good little boys ruthlessly executed by evil white cops this year alone...i mean i have seen them myself driving into wonderful black communities and shooting down black schoolchildren who were just walking down the street. End the madness now!!! ::)
It's cringe inducing when Canadians try to show their out moral superiority over the US and get it all wrong. I wonder if any if those white folks protesting we're carrying impeach bush signs?
How about some protests for the natives who's land you stole instead of a thug who attacked a far smaller cop?
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It's cringe inducing when Canadians try to show their out moral superiority over the US and get it all wrong. I wonder if any if those white folks protesting we're carrying impeach bush signs?
How about some protests for the natives who's land you stole instead of a thug who attacked a far smaller cop?
Nobody gives a fuck about Canada
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Nobody gives a fuck about Canada
It is a real country
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this doesn't get any funnier the more you spam it.
Twice constitutes "spamming"? Shee-it, sorry to interrupt your anti-hebrew echo chamber, lol. Carry on.
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Btw, the peaceful protests have spread well beyond Ferguson, Missouri. They're now "International"
Huge Vigil & Protest in Nova Scotia, Canada, as demonstrators locked arms and marched through the streets holding placards, and demanding justice, and an end to the genocide of young Black males in the USA at the hands of police. The demonstrators chanted "Hands Up, Don't Shoot!" as they marched through the streets. The demonstration ended peacefully without tear gas or rubber bullets. There were no incidents or arrests.
BAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Novia scotia protesting cops murdering blacks...
Zomg lolz you couldnt make that shit up.
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BAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Novia scotia protesting cops murdering blacks...
Zomg lolz you couldnt make that shit up.
For the record Halifax novascotia has a massive old school black community. They even had their own town, until we bulldozed it, in the sixties.
Anyway novascotia is our neighboring province, and everyone and there fucking dog knows the blacks there love there guns in a region of canada known for being extremely peaceful.
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Leftists say: House Knee grow
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Another racist libtard. So a black conservative can never exist?
A liberal white man making statements about how a black man should think, what the black man's values should be and even how the black man's voice should sound:
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Option FAIL is blind. Poor soul.
El mocoso esta ciego. Pobre infeliz.
Pobre, infeliz? No es serio. No puede ser.
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Option FAIL will not agree
En serio, que ustedes piensan de mi aqui, y te prometo, no tengo ni idea de que existe hasta que lei getbig.
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To address the vid. I totally understand what he is trying to get across, but its not my experience.
I grew up on 78th and Normandie. 2 Blocks from ground zero of the 1992 LA riots. I grew up in the heart of it. Went to Washington High, which is one of the toughest schools in the city. And yeah i had my fears of being approached by the street element. But to be totally honest, i was equally afraid of the police and its because of what i saw happening. It was common knowledge that LA Co. Sherriffs would beat the living shit out of you (and not get caught) if you "back talked" them. It was a running joke in LA on how you would get picked up in one neighborhood and get dropped off in another one. In torrance where my office is located, they had a police code when they would see a black driving through their fair city, NIT...Ni66er in Torrance. I know that its sometimes hard for you guys to grasp because you havent experienced it and foreign to you. But there is a real fear of police. Shit, 333386, you didnt even know of the Iran Contra drugs shit that happened to south central LA. Just as i dont know the commings and goings on Bronx from your POV, son you dont know innercity living as a black/latino.
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To address the vid. I totally understand what he is trying to get across, but its not my experience.
I grew up on 78th and Normandie. 2 Blocks from ground zero of the 1992 LA riots. I grew up in the heart of it. Went to Washington High, which is one of the toughest schools in the city. And yeah i had my fears of being approached by the street element. But to be totally honest, i was equally afraid of the police and its because of what i saw happening. It was common knowledge that LA Co. Sherriffs would beat the living shit out of you (and not get caught) if you "back talked" them. It was a running joke in LA on how you would get picked up in one neighborhood and get dropped off in another one. In torrance where my office is located, they had a police code when they would see a black driving through their fair city, NIT...Ni66er in Torrance. I know that its sometimes hard for you guys to grasp because you havent experienced it and foreign to you. But there is a real fear of police. Shit, 333386, you didnt even know of the Iran Contra drugs shit that happened to south central LA. Just as i dont know the commings and goings on Bronx from your POV, son you dont know innercity living as a black/latino.
Don't you think the police have a real fear of the people as well and good reason for their fear and apprehension? It's a two way street.
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Don't you think the police have a real fear of the people as well and good reason for their fear and apprehension? It's a two way street.
read that to yourself again slowly bro....
Police have a real fear of "The People"..............in general............as a whole............that they are supposed to protect.
Can you see the issue with that?
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read that to yourself again slowly bro....
Police have a real fear of "The People"..............in general............as a whole............that they are supposed to protect.
Can you see the issue with that?
It's common sense. If you are in a high crime area you're going to be on higher alert.
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It's common sense. If you are in a high crime area you're going to be on higher alert.
High alert and Fear, they are not equals.
thats common sense
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High alert and Fear, they are not equals.
thats common sense
Fear of ones safety puts one on high alert. Why don't the officers and the community engage in an honest dialogue? Not a monologue where the community spends the entire time vilifying the police but a dialogue where both sides acknowledge they both have problems and find a reasonable solution.
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Fear of ones safety puts one on high alert. Why don't the officers and the community engage in an honest dialogue? Not a monologue where the community spends the entire time vilifying the police but a dialogue where both sides acknowledge they both have problems and find a reasonable solution.
We all know the answer to that
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We all know the answer to that
My point is that both sides need to start looking at each other as people not just cops and thugs. The community must understand that officers see some real shit night after night and overtime their tolerance goes down. The police have to realize that not all blacks are thugs.
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Fear of ones safety puts one on high alert. Why don't the officers and the community engage in an honest dialogue? Not a monologue where the community spends the entire time vilifying the police but a dialogue where both sides acknowledge they both have problems and find a reasonable solution.
What sort of dialogue? Who would represent both sides?
Probably feasible to have worthwhile representatives of the Police but what about for the community?
Seems like it'd be pretty difficult since "the community" is not a club or organization with a defined hierarchy.
So, no matter what some designated reps for the community would say, the actual people in the street are going to do what they're going to do.
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My point is that both sides need to start looking at each other as people not just cops and thugs. The community must understand that officers see some real shit night after night and overtime their tolerance goes down. The police have to realize that not all blacks are thugs.
Da Community is so far down the rabbit hole into oblivion its just easier to police and detain the thugs. Anytime anyone speaks even a remote semblance of truth to these fools - you get called racist. FUCK THEM ALL.
This is why no one gives a shit any more. Al Sharpton lecturing people on race/ really? Oh fuck that and fuck those idiots like Obama holder et al w their bs.
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Fear of ones safety puts one on high alert. Why don't the officers and the community engage in an honest dialogue? Not a monologue where the community spends the entire time vilifying the police but a dialogue where both sides acknowledge they both have problems and find a reasonable solution.
Fear (as you stated) being the initial feeling towards the people they are ordered to protect will result in rash, rushed and predetermined actions in a situation, that couldve have had a different outcome had cooler heads prevailed.
As far as dialoge? Until there is a mutual trust from both sides, talks between the sides wont have productive talks....but listen to how we talk about it..."the two sides" ...the Us vs Them ....Its warrented because throughout these communities histories, the police (ones held to a higher standard and paid to uphold the law and protect) have often worked opposite to their duties to the detriment of the same people they are sworn to protect. Alot of these sentiments towards are from baby boomers that are still old enough to remember water cannons and german shepherds
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What sort of dialogue? Who would represent both sides?
Probably feasible to have worthwhile representatives of the Police but what about for the community?
Seems like it'd be pretty difficult since "the community" is not a club or organization with a defined hierarchy.
So, no matter what some designated reps for the community would say, the actual people in the street are going to do what they're going to do.
What can be done? My suggestion is an attempt at a finding a solution where both sides can air their concerns and grievances.
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What sort of dialogue? Who would represent both sides?
Im trying to be the voice of reason and speak from the POV of someone that lived in it for most of my life.
In many innercities, the police have earned their distrust because of a myriad of reasons.
Now, im opposed to sharpton and the other baiters and have been extremely outspoken about them.
But the view of the innercity that you have and its structre is different from the actual thing. Ill just chalk it up to you not being a part of it and seeing it first hand.
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Fear (as you stated) being the initial feeling towards the people they are ordered to protect will result in rash, rushed and predetermined actions in a situation, that couldve have had a different outcome had cooler heads prevailed.
As far as dialoge? Until there is a mutual trust from both sides, talks between the sides wont have productive talks....but listen to how we talk about it..."the two sides" ...the Us vs Them ....Its warrented because throughout these communities histories, the police (ones held to a higher standard and paid to uphold the law and protect) have often worked opposite to their duties to the detriment of the same people they are sworn to protect. Alot of these sentiments towards are from baby boomers that are still old enough to remember water cannons and german shepherds
There must be trust built but the responsibility for building that trust isn't the sole responsible of the police. You're dismissing the position of law enforcement to quickly. One solution is to only have black police officers serve black communities and white officers serve white communities but I honestly don't think that would improve condition very much.
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Fear (as you stated) being the initial feeling towards the people they are ordered to protect will result in rash, rushed and predetermined actions in a situation, that couldve have had a different outcome had cooler heads prevailed.
As far as dialoge? Until there is a mutual trust from both sides, talks between the sides wont have productive talks....but listen to how we talk about it..."the two sides" ...the Us vs Them ....Its warrented because throughout these communities histories, the police (ones held to a higher standard and paid to uphold the law and protect) have often worked opposite to their duties to the detriment of the same people they are sworn to protect. Alot of these sentiments towards are from baby boomers that are still old enough to remember water cannons and german shepherds
LOL - I am not a baby boomer and the idea of looting and stealing in response to a police situation never dawns on me. Why is it that not the case in Da hood where thuggies be stealing 40's and TV's?
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Im trying to be the voice of reason and speak from the POV of someone that lived in it for most of my life.
In many innercities, the police have earned their distrust because of a myriad of reasons.
Now, im opposed to sharpton and the other baiters and have been extremely outspoken about them.
But the view of the innercity that you have and its structre is different from the actual thing. Ill just chalk it up to you not being a part of it and seeing it first hand.
I grew up in the inner city and my brother become an officer in that very community. Police officers do use inappropriate levels of force. I don't think anyone can argue they don't but many of these officers have seen and heard horrible things and over time they lose tolerance for it. It's not easy keeping the peace in the inner city.
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There must be trust built but the responsibility for building that trust isn't the sole responsible of the police. You're dismissing the position of law enforcement to quickly. One solution is to only have black police officers serve black communities and white officers serve white communities but I honestly don't think that would improve condition very much.
i think more real accountability is the start. Its not about "black cops and white cops" There are really good white cops and bad black cops and vice versa. But there just needs to be more GOOD COPS and top down accountability. Like cops actually being held to the same standards they hold the community they patrol. When 6 officers (of all races) beat to death a homeless man on camera, and get off scott free, its instills distrust of police and the system as a whole
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My point is that both sides need to start looking at each other as people not just cops and thugs. The community must understand that officers see some real shit night after night and overtime their tolerance goes down. The police have to realize that not all blacks are thugs.
i didnt see this post earlier,,,but i totally agree
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i think more real accountability is the start. Its not about "black cops and white cops" There are really good white cops and bad black cops and vice versa. But there just needs to be more GOOD COPS and top down accountability. Like cops actually being held to the same standards they hold the community they patrol. When 6 officers (of all races) beat to death a homeless man on camera, and get off scott free, its instills distrust of police and the system as a whole
A viable solution. I'll be real forthcoming and give an honest opinion. I think the criteria by which police officers are chosen has a lot to do with it. Police work attracts a lot of authoritarian types, of all races. Many of them have a military background and that can effect the way they see the world and in turn how they behave towards others. One of my first suggestions would be not to measure previous military experience to heavily in hiring police officers.
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i think more real accountability is the start. Its not about "black cops and white cops" There are really good white cops and bad black cops and vice versa. But there just needs to be more GOOD COPS and top down accountability. Like cops actually being held to the same standards they hold the community they patrol. When 6 officers (of all races) beat to death a homeless man on camera, and get off scott free, its instills distrust of police and the system as a whole
How about less thugs and better citizens? :D
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A viable solution. I'll be real forthcoming and give an honest opinion. I think the criteria by which police officers are chosen has a lot to do with it. Police work attracts a lot of authoritarian types, of all races. Many of them have a military background and that can effect the way they see the world and in turn how they behave towards others. One of my first suggestions would be not to measure previous military experience to heavily in hiring police officers.
lol this was actually what i was going to say. Police selection, their extreme responsibility, and training could improve.
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lol this was actually what i was going to say. Police selection, their extreme responsibility, and training could improve.
I also believe it does come down to training and selection. It is also my opinion that being in extreme and unpredictable situations can heighten their need for control. More mental services should be made available for police officers to manage job stress
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Im trying to be the voice of reason and speak from the POV of someone that lived in it for most of my life.
In many innercities, the police have earned their distrust because of a myriad of reasons.
Now, im opposed to sharpton and the other baiters and have been extremely outspoken about them.
But the view of the innercity that you have and its structre is different from the actual thing. Ill just chalk it up to you not being a part of it and seeing it first hand.
No, you're right. I grew up in Alameda, CA just over the bridge from Oaktown but not close enough to really know what's going on. (I'm assuming that watching all 5 seasons of The Wire isn't enough either, lol.)
To be more clear about what I was getting at with my earlier post, my fairly uninformed opinion is that folks who live the inner city life should be heard but I don't think that there's any way to have a representative of that side commit to any course of action.
On the police side, sure, it IS feasible to have them agree to a course of corrective action. (Although getting all people down to the street level to adopt new guidelines or the like would probably be very difficult for many departments.)
Police do have a kind of shitty job not least of which is because they have to be around depressing shit a lot, I think. Not sure how you'd alleviate that aspect, though. Maybe rotate them in and out of the shittiest parts of the city to work? I don't really know.
I do agree with some others that accountability and closer supervision in the form of body cameras sounds like a promising way to get improved performance from police.
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My point is that both sides need to start looking at each other as people not just cops and thugs. The community must understand that officers see some real shit night after night and overtime their tolerance goes down. The police have to realize that not all blacks are thugs.
Not a bad point. But between the two, the responsibility to treat the other in a professional manner falls on the police. A citizen can run their mouth off all day long at an officer, doesn't mean it's right, but the officer should never return the favor. Having said that, until the community addresses their issues while asking the police to address theirs, the us against them mentality of both sides will likely not go away anytime soon, which is sad. the majority of both sides want the same thing.
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As far as dialoge? Until there is a mutual trust from both sides, talks between the sides wont have productive talks....but listen to how we talk about it..."the two sides" ...the Us vs Them ....Its warrented because throughout these communities histories, the police (ones held to a higher standard and paid to uphold the law and protect) have often worked opposite to their duties to the detriment of the same people they are sworn to protect. Alot of these sentiments towards are from baby boomers that are still old enough to remember water cannons and german shepherds
dude my mom grew up in a time when just about all of america was anti-japanese and I dont have any issues dealing with authority or anyone else.
Sooner or later people need to grow the fuck up and realize that no matter what happended 100, 50, 20, 10 years ago it doesnt justify your bad behavior.
The cops should not be held any any higher standard than citizens in the way they interact with one another. One persons bad actions doesnt justify your bad actions. This should go both ways and the cops need to abide by it as well.
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The cops should not be held any any higher standard than citizens in the way they interact with one another. One persons bad actions doesnt justify your bad actions. This should go both ways and the cops need to abide by it as well.
Of course police should be held to a higher standard. They are authority figures and representatives of the law whose job is to serve, protect and maintain the peace. Any authority figure is supposed to be held to a higher standard.
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Of course police should be held to a higher standard. They are authority figures and representatives of the law whose job is to serve, protect and maintain the peace. Any authority figure is supposed to be held to a higher standard.
Until da community honestly deals w its dysfunctions and bullshit - nothing will improve. Same bs for generations
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Of course police should be held to a higher standard. They are authority figures and representatives of the law whose job is to serve, protect and maintain the peace. Any authority figure is supposed to be held to a higher standard.
and they should be held to the letter of the law just like everybody else. It is just as unacceptable for a cop to break the law as it is for a citizen.
Its your kind of attitude that allows people to riot, loot and act an ass b/c they believe they hold that trump card. Its like a women who feels its ok to act out and get physical with a guy b/c they know that its not exceptable for a guy to get physical back. What is right is right and what is wrong is wrong
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and they should be held to the letter of the law just like everybody else. It is just as unacceptable for a cop to break the law as it is for a citizen.
Its your kind of attitude that allows people to riot, loot and act an ass b/c they believe they hold that trump card. Its like a women who feels its ok to act out and get physical with a guy b/c they know that its not exceptable for a guy to get physical back. What is right is right and what is wrong is wrong
No, because those things are still illegal. My "attitude" doesn't "allow" illegal behavior. The fact of the matter is that the letter of the law is more stringent for police officers and that's as it should be. Authority figures should be expected and required to act reasonably even if they are dealing with people who aren't doing the same. That doesn't prevent them from doing their job and it's not a trump card. The trump card is that leo are more legally protected when using physical force that can result in death.
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There must be trust built but the responsibility for building that trust isn't the sole responsible of the police. You're dismissing the position of law enforcement to quickly. One solution is to only have black police officers serve black communities and white officers serve white communities but I honestly don't think that would improve condition very much.
I would argue that the trust issue is the sole responsibility of the police.
The community has already entrusted them with a level of power and now they need to prove their worthiness.
Distrust of gov't power is what this nation was founded on.
The community should always be wary of the power they give to cops. The cops should always be proving they're responsible enough to handle the power.
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No, because those things are still illegal. My "attitude" doesn't "allow" illegal behavior. The fact of the matter is that the letter of the law is more stringent for police officers and that's as it should be. Authority figures should be expected and required to act reasonably even if they are dealing with people who aren't doing the same. That doesn't prevent them from doing their job and it's not a trump card. The trump card is that leo are more legally protected when using physical force that can result in death.
maybe you misunderstood, I believe the police have a duty to follow the law just like citizens do. I agree cops have more stringent laws that doesnt mean that they are any more obligated to follow those laws than a citizen is to follow the laws that apply to them.
Each are held to different standards but they should be held to each respective standard equally.
Authority figures should be expected and required to act reasonably even if they are dealing with people who aren't doing the same.
LMFAO spoken like a women who likes to hit guys b/c she knows they wont hit back...
A cop is expected by law to act reasonably even if someone they are dealing with isnt, a person is also expected to act reasonably when interacting with a cop by law.
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I would argue that the trust issue is the sole responsibility of the police.
The community has already entrusted them with a level of power and now they need to prove their worthiness.
Distrust of gov't power is what this nation was founded on.
The community should always be wary of the power they give to cops. The cops should always be proving they're responsible enough to handle the power.
Its both their responsibilities. The community itself needs to self police their members to help eliminate unwanted behaviors. They need to cooperate with the police and obey the law. The police need to be integrated with the community so they are trusted and seen as a member and not an occupying force. They need to abide by the law and self police their members as well.
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maybe you misunderstood, I believe the police have a duty to follow the law just like citizens do. I agree cops have more stringent laws that doesnt mean that they are any more obligated to follow those laws than a citizen is to follow the laws that apply to them.
Each are held to different standards but they should be held to each respective standard equally.
::) Just a few posts ago, you wrote this:
The cops should not be held any any higher standard than citizens in the way they interact with one another. One persons bad actions doesnt justify your bad actions. This should go both ways and the cops need to abide by it as well.
And the simple fact of the matter is that they should be. It's not a two-way street. An officer's job is to enforce the law when it is being broken and to follow those higher standards while doing so. It's just retarded to say "The nature of the job is to deal with lawbreakers and they must follow the law while doing that, but if they come into contact with someone who is breaking the law, then they can break the law to enforce the law."
LMFAO spoken like a women who likes to hit guys b/c she knows they wont hit back...
...which is a stupid comparison because it is actually a job requirement for cops to use force and arrest people.
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::) Just a few posts ago, you wrote this:
The cops should not be held any any higher standard than citizens in the way they interact with one another. One persons bad actions doesnt justify your bad actions. This should go both ways and the cops need to abide by it as well.
Jesus FACEPALM.....They shouldnt be held to a higher standard they should both be held to the standard of the law...thats why I said maybe you misunderstood but you obviously did.
And the simple fact of the matter is that they should be. It's not a two-way street. An officer's job is to enforce the law when it is being broken and to follow those higher standards while doing so. It's just retarded to say "The nature of the job is to deal with lawbreakers and they must follow the law while doing that, but if they come into contact with someone who is breaking the law, then they can break the law to enforce the law."
I agree its an officers job to enforce the law just like its a citizens job to not break the law!!!
It's just retarded to say "The nature of the job is to deal with lawbreakers and they must follow the law while doing that, but if they come into contact with someone who is breaking the law, then they can break the law to enforce the law."
I agree with you albert, and its equally retarded to say that if a citizen encounters a cop breaking the law then they to can break the law.
even if mike brown was shot illegally, IT STILL DOESNT JUSTIFY RIOTING AND LOOTING......
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it is a 2 way street albert both sets citizens and cops have a duty to act right.
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Jesus FACEPALM.....They shouldnt be held to a higher standard they should both be held to the standard of the law...thats why I said maybe you misunderstood but you obviously did.
I agree its an officers job to enforce the law just like its a citizens job to not break the law!!!
I agree with you albert, and its equally retarded to say that if a citizen encounters a cop breaking the law then they to can break the law.
even if mike brown was shot illegally, IT STILL DOESNT JUSTIFY RIOTING AND LOOTING......
Who is making the argument that citizens should be able to break the law without repercussions? Option D said that officers should be held to a higher
standard- in relation to having "justified" fear and poor treatment of the people they are supposed to serve and protect. You said
that they shouldn't be held to a higher standard. No one said anything about looting being justified and I don't see where it was
implied. It was a discussion about everyday policing.
Yes, they should be held to a higher standard. The nature of the job is that they often won't be dealing with people
who are following the law. It is LITERALLY the main purpose of the job.
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it is a 2 way street albert both sets citizens and cops have a duty to act right.
No, it's not a two way street. The duty of the police to follow the law is not contingent on whether or not the
citizens they are dealing with are doing the same. It's a one way street.
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Who is making the argument that citizens should be able to break the law without repercussions? Option D said that officers should be held to a higher
standard- in relation to having "justified" fear and poor treatment of the people they are supposed to serve and protect. You said
that they shouldn't be held to a higher standard. No one said anything about looting being justified and I don't see where it was
implied. It was a discussion about everyday policing.
Yes, they should be held to a higher standard. The nature of the job is that they often won't be dealing with people
who are following the law. It is LITERALLY the main purpose of the job.
who said cops should be able to break the law?
Good Lord youre fucking dense, Yes the standard of law varies for cops and citizens. Both sets should be held to the letter of the law as it relates to them. Nobody should be held to standards outside of the standard of law.
My original comment to Mal was in response to his views on whos responsibility it was to establish trust!!!!
Both groups should be expected to help establish trust.
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No, it's not a two way street. The duty of the police to follow the law is not contingent on whether or not the
citizens they are dealing with are doing the same. It's a one way street.
agreed and the duty of citizens is not contingent on whether or not the cops are doing the same....
HOW DO YOU NOT SEE THAT?
if you disagree then you are saying that if the cops break the law then the citizens are no longer bound by law.
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No, it's not a two way street. The duty of the police to follow the law is not contingent on whether or not the
citizens they are dealing with are doing the same. It's a one way street.
If a "citizen" attacks a cop, should the cop cower on the floor and call for back up, try to best said citizen in fista cuffs, or pull out his gun?
I think the best solution is to withdraw the police from these hellholes completely. Let things descend into chaos. No police at all. Its not like there's any tax revenue being created in those areas to pay the police anyway. You guys can have a nice, non judgmental, non racist self-policing force. Take care of yourselves and there should be no problem..... I mean, most of the shootings in the hood occur when racist white cops shoot black fellas just minding their own business right? I would think that removing police officers from the equation would whittle the crime rate down to zero in no time flat.
All the big, bad racist white cops can patrol the rest of the neighborhoods in the Country.
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who said cops should be able to break the law?
Good Lord youre fucking dense, Yes the standard of law varies for cops and citizens. Both sets should be held to the letter of the law as it relates to them. Nobody should be held to standards outside of the standard of law.
My original comment to Mal was in response to his views on whos responsibility it was to establish trust!!!!
Both groups should be expected to help establish trust.
This was not only in reference to this thread, but to a previous thread in which you made the same claims. You tried to claim that an officer using an illegal chokehold is a rational and foreseeable outcome when a citizen is unruly. It's not. Police are held to a higher standard.
Why would both groups be expected to help establish trust? One side is a group only in the sense that they belong to a "minority demographic", not sharing ideals or common goals, while the other is a government entity whose members seek out membership and adhere to set policies, which are often antagonistic towards the people they are allegedly sworn to serve. The onus is clearly on one side to create a relationship of trust.
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agreed and the duty of citizens is not contingent on whether or not the cops are doing the same....
HOW DO YOU NOT SEE THAT?
if you disagree then you are saying that if the cops break the law then the citizens are no longer bound by law.
Just as your previous statement wasn't a two way street, neither is this one.
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If a "citizen" attacks a cop, should the cop cower on the floor and call for back up, try to best said citizen in fista cuffs, or pull out his gun?
I think the best solution is to withdraw the police from these hellholes completely. Let things descend into chaos. No police at all. Its not like there's any tax revenue being created in those areas to pay the police anyway. You guys can have a nice, non judgmental, non racist self-policing force. Take care of yourselves and there should be no problem..... I mean, most of the shootings in the hood occur when racist white cops shoot black fellas just minding their own business right? I would think that removing police officers from the equation would whittle the crime rate down to zero in no time flat.
All the big, bad racist white cops can patrol the rest of the neighborhoods in the Country.
Do you believe police abusing their authority is an imaginary problem? Or that it is so small that it is almost non-existent?
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It's cringe inducing when Canadians try to show their out moral superiority over the US and get it all wrong. I wonder if any if those white folks protesting we're carrying impeach bush signs?
How about some protests for the natives who's land you stole instead of a thug who attacked a far smaller cop?
Oh we have those too. Canadians have many protests, and demand much accountability from our Gov'ts.
You might not hear of them south of our mutual border, which is entirely understandable...
given how full your hands have been lately... coupled with the fact that we don't have storm troopers busting in to bust heads. When Canadians protest it's quite peaceful, solemn, and in many cases healing.
The odd times when it has gone bad, was when the cause of native protestors started gaining traction with the rest of Canadians, and the Ontario Conservative Premiere at the time ordered the OPP to end the protest. It went south real fast, lots of violence, lots of bloodshed, and the Conservatives with an even worse PR nightmare on their hands. It always ends badly when the police show up as provocateurs.
Our latest protests are for inquiries into the high rates of dead & missing native aboriginal females.
https://ca.news.yahoo.com/blogs/dailybrew/inquiry-fate-aboriginal-women-isn-t-justified-death-212350617.html (https://ca.news.yahoo.com/blogs/dailybrew/inquiry-fate-aboriginal-women-isn-t-justified-death-212350617.html)
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Another racist libtard. So a black conservative can never exist?
A liberal white man making statements about how a black man should think, what the black man's values should be and even how the black man's voice should sound:
I didn't see a White man stating how a Black man should think, what his values should be or how he should sound.
I saw a man stating his opinion of the situation, and parodying another man who he believes to be disingenuous.
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To address the vid. I totally understand what he is trying to get across, but its not my experience.
I grew up on 78th and Normandie. 2 Blocks from ground zero of the 1992 LA riots. I grew up in the heart of it. Went to Washington High, which is one of the toughest schools in the city. And yeah i had my fears of being approached by the street element. But to be totally honest, i was equally afraid of the police and its because of what i saw happening. It was common knowledge that LA Co. Sherriffs would beat the living shit out of you (and not get caught) if you "back talked" them. It was a running joke in LA on how you would get picked up in one neighborhood and get dropped off in another one. In torrance where my office is located, they had a police code when they would see a black driving through their fair city, NIT...Ni66er in Torrance. I know that its sometimes hard for you guys to grasp because you havent experienced it and foreign to you. But there is a real fear of police. Shit, 333386, you didnt even know of the Iran Contra drugs shit that happened to south central LA. Just as i dont know the commings and goings on Bronx from your POV, son you dont know innercity living as a black/latino.
Option D, this is so far from their reality, many will never get it until it smacks them in the face.
I know what you're talking about. I've seen it first hand.
I grew up a kid in the suburbs of Canada where the cops could be respected, and relied upon to protect & serve their communities. As a kid, it wasn't unheard of, if you happened to be out late, and miss the last bus to flag down a patrol car and ask for a ride home. Sometimes, they'd even let you play with the lights (but no sirens). I went from that to living in Southern Cali. The city I lived in, I was always treated with the utmost respect by Police officers. Being from the Canadian suburbs, I didn't think it unusual. I later realized it was. Because the mayor of that city was Black, and there were so few Blacks living in the city, every where I went, people mistook me for the mayor's daughter... including the cops. After moving from that city, I moved to the Valley. The cops there were quite different. I found myself getting repeatedly hassled while walking home from the 7/11. Not unbearably so, but about 5 or so times within a two week period to feel a little stand-offish about it. VanNuys sucked, so after two weeks I moved. The worst part was witnessing the treatment of young Black males.
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Not a bad point. But between the two, the responsibility to treat the other in a professional manner falls on the police. A citizen can run their mouth off all day long at an officer, doesn't mean it's right, but the officer should never return the favor. Having said that, until the community addresses their issues while asking the police to address theirs, the us against them mentality of both sides will likely not go away anytime soon, which is sad. the majority of both sides want the same thing.
Agreed. And above all... Common sense must prevail. A friend of mine was required to defend a police office in one of the stupidest cases I've ever heard brought forth against an officer. Seems the police were called to break up one of those notorious Canadian bush parties. One of the officers who happened to be Black, was greeted with racist epithets from one of the drunken revelers which he chose to ignore while writing out his citations. He figured it would only escalate the situation.
He was later put up on police internal charges for failing to properly investigate a racist assault; his own. How is that for a kick in the pants? This guy used common sense, and decided to forego the unnecessary escalation of a situation, and ignore the fact that a drunken slob called him the N-word, and he gets charged? Go figure. ::)
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and they should be held to the letter of the law just like everybody else. It is just as unacceptable for a cop to break the law as it is for a citizen.
Its your kind of attitude that allows people to riot, loot and act an ass b/c they believe they hold that trump card. Its like a women who feels its ok to act out and get physical with a guy b/c they know that its not exceptable for a guy to get physical back. What is right is right and what is wrong is wrong
Who says it's not acceptable for a guy to get physical back? It ABSOLUTELY is acceptable!
If ANYBODY, and I don't care who they are, if anybody violates or abuses you physically, it is ALWAYS acceptable to defend yourself. I've only ever met one person in my life who held the conviction it wasn't ever acceptable for a male to physically defend himself from a female, and that was a kid I knew when we were 10 years old. I hope he's since changed him mind. If I have a son, I'm raising him to defend himself, ...even if his assailant is a woman.
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Until da community honestly deals w its dysfunctions and bullshit - nothing will improve. Same bs for generations
How right you are... ya little troll.
Until the law enforcement community deals with it's dysfunction and bullshit, nothing will improve.
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LMFAO spoken like a women who likes to hit guys b/c she knows they wont hit back...
What is this? ...is this the groundwork for laying the argument for what he got his clock cleaned in Macy's.
I didn't fight back because I thought it was a woman? ...when it was really a man dressed up as a woman?
OK, I see where he's going with this... ;D
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This was not only in reference to this thread, but to a previous thread in which you made the same claims. You tried to claim that an officer using an illegal chokehold is a rational and foreseeable outcome when a citizen is unruly. It's not. Police are held to a higher standard.
Why would both groups be expected to help establish trust? One side is a group only in the sense that they belong to a "minority demographic", not sharing ideals or common goals, while the other is a government entity whose members seek out membership and adhere to set policies, which are often antagonistic towards the people they are allegedly sworn to serve. The onus is clearly on one side to create a relationship of trust.
I never said it was rational only a possible outcome.
So you dont think citizens and cops have common goals? who said anything about the community being mainly minorities?
It doesnt matter what demographic the community is they still have a responsibility to help foster a trusting relationship with cops ::)
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Do you believe police abusing their authority is an imaginary problem? Or that it is so small that it is almost non-existent?
Do you believe that police being assaulted/abused is an imaginary problem? or that it is so small that it is almost non-existent?
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Just as your previous statement wasn't a two way street, neither is this one.
so in your mind a citizen is not obligated to follow the law if a police officer breaks it?
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so in your mind a citizen is not obligated to follow the law if a police officer breaks it?
IF THEY BE BLACK DEN SHO NUFF HE DO.
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I never said it was rational only a possible outcome.
::) Your whole argument was that police aren't held to a higher standard in altercations with the citizenry and the outcome should have been expected.
So you dont think citizens and cops have common goals? who said anything about the community being mainly minorities?
It doesnt matter what demographic the community is they still have a responsibility to help foster a trusting relationship with cops ::)
No, I don't think that, but that isn't what I said. I said that citizens aren't a monolithic group.
Police departments, for the most part, are.
The original comment referenced minority/cop relations specifically. I talked about antagonistic programs
targeted at disproportionately at minorities. The relationship with the police is markedly different between
different demographics.
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Do you believe that police being assaulted/abused is an imaginary problem? or that it is so small that it is almost non-existent?
...without repercussions? Yes. It's an almost non-existent problem. The same can't be said the other way.
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::) Your whole argument was that police aren't held to a higher standard in altercations with the citizenry and the outcome should have been expected.
No, I don't think that, but that isn't what I said. I said that citizens aren't a monolithic group.
Police departments, for the most part, are.
The original comment referenced minority/cop relations specifically. I talked about antagonistic programs
targeted at disproportionately at minorities. The relationship with the police is markedly different between
different demographics.
How are police monolithic? How do you prove that? How are they targeted at minorities disproportionately? Lets be specific, its not minorities its blacks to which you refer. Asians aren't being "targeted". Ill make it simple for you, higher crime areas are typically demographically black therefore they will be arrested more. Caucasian populations are typically dispersed, blacks are concentrated. Its really that simple.
I used to think you were kore but now I suspect you are 24IQ (24k) with another of her fake accounts.
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How are police monolithic? How do you prove that?
Police departments are organizations with employees with top down directives. Of course they're monolithic. No further proof is needed.
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How are they targeted at minorities disproportionately? Lets be specific, its not minorities its blacks to which you refer. Asians aren't being "targeted".[/quote]
It's typically black and latino, which is why I didn't say "black".
Ill make it simple for you, higher crime areas are typically demographically black therefore they will be arrested more. Caucasian populations are typically dispersed, blacks are concentrated. Its really that simple.
I'm not simply talking about arrests. I was specifically referring to the stop and frisk program and similar programs.
I used to think you were kore but now I suspect you are 24IQ (24k) with another of her fake accounts.
I honestly don't give a fuck what you suspect. If I did, I would just write an article and wildly distort the source information to prove my point. You would, no doubt, fall for it without a second thought.
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Police departments are organizations with employees with top down directives. Of course they're monolithic. No further proof is needed.
How are they targeted at minorities disproportionately? Lets be specific, its not minorities its blacks to which you refer. Asians aren't being "targeted".
It's typically black and latino, which is why I didn't say "black".
I'm not simply talking about arrests. I was specifically referring to the stop and frisk program and similar programs.
I honestly don't give a fuck what you suspect. If I did, I would just write an article and wildly distort the source information to prove my point. You would, no doubt, fall for it without a second thought.
Why are blacks and latinos targeted? Do you think there is a vast conspiracy to keep these groups down? What would be your solution? I would like a serious answer.
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Why are blacks and latinos targeted? Do you think there is a vast conspiracy to keep these groups down? What would be your solution? I would like a serious answer.
to some extent, there is a conspiracy. There's a misguided sense of "taking action" that doesn't really lead to solutions. Draconian drug sentences didn't win any drug war. NY's stop and frisk program, as it is now, isn't winning any illegal gun war. Both exacerbate minority incarceration rates without coming close to achieving their goals. Lawmakers and law enforcement are aware of this. It's true that black males are disproportionately imprisoned, but the most common reason behind black male incarceration is non-violent drug offenses. That's not a black problem. Poverty rates and crime go hand-in-hand, so there is going to be higher criminal percentage among blacks as long as there is a higher poverty rate. But the crime rate now is artificially high.
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to some extent, there is a conspiracy. There's a misguided sense of "taking action" that doesn't really lead to solutions. Draconian drug sentences didn't win any drug war. NY's stop and frisk program, as it is now, isn't winning any illegal gun war. Both exacerbate minority incarceration rates without coming close to achieving their goals. Lawmakers and law enforcement are aware of this. It's true that black males are disproportionately imprisoned, but the most common reason behind black male incarceration is non-violent drug offenses. That's not a black problem. Poverty rates and crime go hand-in-hand, so there is going to be higher criminal percentage among blacks as long as there is a higher poverty rate. But the crime rate now is artificially high.
I do agree that drug sentencing is absolutely insane and needs to be changed immediately. However, when comparing populations and sentencing you really have to look at each individuals case and whether they have a past criminal history and if they are being charged with other crimes in conjunction with the drug charge. For example, you can't compare one person sentenced for possession of marijuana with another even if the amounts of marijuana they had were the same unless you have the particulars of their case history.
I want a clarification on how poverty directly effects criminality. What does poverty and a lack of education have to do with moral instruction? I ask this because no one has ever given me an answer.
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I do agree that drug sentencing is absolutely insane and needs to be changed immediately. However, when comparing populations and sentencing you really have to look at each individuals case and whether they have a past criminal history and if they are being charged with other crimes in conjunction with the drug charge. For example, you can't compare one person sentenced for possession of marijuana with another even if the amounts of marijuana they had were the same unless you have the particulars of their case history.
When you have such large numbers, an obvious pattern emerges.
I want a clarification on how poverty directly effects criminality. What does poverty and a lack of education have to do with moral instruction? I ask this because no one has ever given me an answer.
Ignore the obvious answer of a kid from a family with some sort of means simply being less likely to want to steal because
that kid's family will be able to afford the things he wants.
Let's say you have a mom who is in the poverty bracket. Strong moral compass, but she's a single mom who works 12 hours a day
to keep a roof over her and her son's head. That kid is a lot less likely to go to daycamp or violin practice after school simply because of economics. Now, those are character building activities, but they also provide supervision during formative years. Meanwhile. the son is coming home after school, sees mom a few hours before bed. Despite her best efforts, he simply isn't getting the same character building and supervision that a kid from a more financially secure household gets. He's more susceptible to falling into bad behavior with kids who are going through the same thing. This pattern doesn't appear so often among white poor kids because white poor kids are less likely to be friends exclusively with other poor white kids. So, while their parents might be at work 12 hours a day, they are hanging out at a friend's house whose mom is making them cookies. This is just anecdotal, as I'm short on time, but that's one aspect. There are tons more if you think without preconceived notions.
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When you have such large numbers, an obvious pattern emerges.
Ignore the obvious answer of a kid from a family with some sort of means simply being less likely to want to steal because
that kid's family will be able to afford the things he wants.
Let's say you have a mom who is in the poverty bracket. Strong moral compass, but she's a single mom who works 12 hours a day
to keep a roof over her and her son's head. That kid is a lot less likely to go to daycamp or violin practice after school simply because of economics. Now, those are character building activities, but they also provide supervision during formative years. Meanwhile. the son is coming home after school, sees mom a few hours before bed. Despite her best efforts, he simply isn't getting the same character building and supervision that a kid from a more financially secure household gets. He's more susceptible to falling into bad behavior with kids who are going through the same thing. This pattern doesn't appear so often among white poor kids because white poor kids are less likely to be friends exclusively with other poor white kids. So, while their parents might be at work 12 hours a day, they are hanging out at a friend's house whose mom is making them cookies. This is just anecdotal, as I'm short on time, but that's one aspect. There are tons more if you think without preconceived notions.
Ill answer the first part and come back to the second shortly. Here lies the problem, you cant look at the total numbers and assume there is a pattern. Its necessary to look further. Correlation does not mean causation.
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Ill answer the first part and come back to the second shortly. Here lies the problem, you cant look at the total numbers and assume there is a pattern. Its necessary to look further. Correlation does not mean causation.
You don't even have to make assumptions. Ignore incarceration rates. The numbers are even worse when you look at arrest rates. Even though multiple studies have shown that blacks and whites use marijuana at almost the same rate, the arrest rate 4 blacks is nearly 4 times as high.
Here's a link with some comprehensive charts (and, yes, the study was commissioned by that ACLU via federal data);
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/06/04/the-blackwhite-marijuana-arrest-gap-in-nih
The Times also went over the data independently and verified it's accurate.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/04/us/marijuana-arrests-four-times-as-likely-for-blacks.html
From the Times:
Federal programs like the Edward Byrne Justice Assistance Grant Program continue to provide incentives for racial profiling, the report said, by including arrest numbers in its performance measures when distributing hundreds of millions of dollars to local law enforcement each year.
Phillip Atiba Goff, a psychology professor at the University of California, Los Angeles, said that police departments, partly driven by a desire to increase their drug arrest statistics, can concentrate on minority or poorer neighborhoods to meet numerical goals, focusing on low-level offenses that are easier, quicker and cheaper than investigating serious felony crimes.
“Whenever federal funding agencies encourage law enforcement to meet numerical arrest goals instead of public safety goals, it will likely promote stereotype-based policing and we can expect these sorts of racial gaps,” Professor Goff said.
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You don't even have to make assumptions. Ignore incarceration rates. The numbers are even worse when you look at arrest rates. Even though multiple studies have shown that blacks and whites use marijuana at almost the same rate, the arrest rate 4 blacks is nearly 4 times as high.
Here's a link with some comprehensive charts (and, yes, the study was commissioned by that ACLU via federal data);
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/06/04/the-blackwhite-marijuana-arrest-gap-in-nih
The Times also went over the data independently and verified it's accurate.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/04/us/marijuana-arrests-four-times-as-likely-for-blacks.html
From the Times:
Federal programs like the Edward Byrne Justice Assistance Grant Program continue to provide incentives for racial profiling, the report said, by including arrest numbers in its performance measures when distributing hundreds of millions of dollars to local law enforcement each year.
Phillip Atiba Goff, a psychology professor at the University of California, Los Angeles, said that police departments, partly driven by a desire to increase their drug arrest statistics, can concentrate on minority or poorer neighborhoods to meet numerical goals, focusing on low-level offenses that are easier, quicker and cheaper than investigating serious felony crimes.
“Whenever federal funding agencies encourage law enforcement to meet numerical arrest goals instead of public safety goals, it will likely promote stereotype-based policing and we can expect these sorts of racial gaps,” Professor Goff said.
Arrest rates correspond to witness identification, particularly in cases of assault and murder. The links you provide make the same assumptions you do. The studies provide none of the particulars such as prior criminal history and whether the person being charged for marijuana possession was simultaneously being charged with another crime. Nor does it mention whether the blacks arrested for marijuana possession were in fact arrested for another crime and found with marijuana One of the links doesn't even work. You made the exact mistake I assumed you would.
You are trying to find a connection and thus a conspiracy. More arrests does not mean the arrests are unwarranted. Again, when crime is concentrated in a particular area and committed disproportionately by a particular group you're going to get lopsided arrest numbers.
When you have such large numbers, an obvious pattern emerges.
Ignore the obvious answer of a kid from a family with some sort of means simply being less likely to want to steal because
that kid's family will be able to afford the things he wants.
Let's say you have a mom who is in the poverty bracket. Strong moral compass, but she's a single mom who works 12 hours a day
to keep a roof over her and her son's head. That kid is a lot less likely to go to daycamp or violin practice after school simply because of economics. Now, those are character building activities, but they also provide supervision during formative years. Meanwhile. the son is coming home after school, sees mom a few hours before bed. Despite her best efforts, he simply isn't getting the same character building and supervision that a kid from a more financially secure household gets. He's more susceptible to falling into bad behavior with kids who are going through the same thing. This pattern doesn't appear so often among white poor kids because white poor kids are less likely to be friends exclusively with other poor white kids. So, while their parents might be at work 12 hours a day, they are hanging out at a friend's house whose mom is making them cookies. This is just anecdotal, as I'm short on time, but that's one aspect. There are tons more if you think without preconceived notions.
I'm not sure this really explains much of anything. How do you know that most poor whites don't associate with other poor whites? Why wouldn't they? It seems likely that poor whites will associate with other of their same economic status based on proximity alone. At a friends house baking cookies? This is a ridiculous statement without merit and fact. You watch to much leave it to beaver. You confirm my belief that black people don't know much about white people other than what they see on TV.
For the blacks in your scenario to succumb to negative influences those influences must already be institutionally present within that community. Your opinion is congruent with the opinion that the problem is inherently cultural. You're admitting the propensity within the black community for absentee fathers. This is clearly a cultural one. A large number of these moms aren't working and should have plenty of time to interact with their children. Often times the mothers aren't raising the children at all.
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Arrest rates correspond to witness identification, particularly in cases of assault and murder. The links you provide make the same assumptions you do. The studies provide none of the particulars such as prior criminal history and whether the person being charged for marijuana possession was simultaneously being charged with another crime. Nor does it mention whether the blacks arrested for marijuana possession were in fact arrested for another crime and found with marijuana One of the links doesn't even work. You made the exact mistake I assumed you would.
You are trying to find a connection and thus a conspiracy. More arrests does not mean the arrests are unwarranted. Again, when crime is concentrated in a particular area and committed disproportionately by a particular group you're going to get lopsided arrest numbers.
So here's a link to an article that discusses NY's marijuana arrests on HuffPo. We have this:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/05/of-50000-marijuana-arrest_n_1078023.html
New York's lowest-level marijuana-possession charge – criminal possession of marijuana in the 5th degree, a misdemeanor – has been the most common arrest charge in the city for much of the past decade, and the numbers have been steadily rising. So far this year there have been 38,359 reported arrests. Last year, there were 50,377 arrests citywide, up from 46,492 in 2009, according to statistics from the state Division of Criminal Justice Services. That represents about 616 arrests per 100,000 city residents.
So, here in NYC the fact is that the majority of arrests-much less drug possession arrests- are made explicitly for that sole, low-level charge. Even if you want to try to make the argument that conviction rates reflect black men have more priors, the recidivism rate is artificially inflated by a policy of bullshit charges targeting a certain demographic. As the article points out, it is hard to make direct comparisons across state lines, but keeping in mind how federal funding is handed out and arrest patterns are pretty consistent nationwide, it is pretty likely that the same factors come into play.
I'm not sure this really explains much of anything. How do you know that most poor whites don't associate with other poor whites? Why wouldn't they? It seems likely that poor whites will associate with other of their same economic status based on proximity alone. At a friends house baking cookies? This is a ridiculous statement without merit and fact. You watch to much leave it to beaver. You confirm my belief that black people don't know much about white people other than what they see on TV.
Notice how immediately following the baking cookies bit, there's this sentence: THIS IS JUST ANECDOTAL. Neither the story about the black mom or the white mom were real. They were made up examples used to illustrate a point. However, I do know many white people outside of my "Leave it to Beaver" marathons, and I can confirm that baking cookies is not an unusual practice.
But to address the actual point, I never said that most poor whites don't associate with other poor whites. I said a poor white child is less likely to have a circle of exclusively poor friends. The poverty rate among whites is lower, the affluence rate among whites is higher and the total pool of whites is simply larger than that of blacks. (And to, once again, get slightly off topic, it's the same with a question you repeated ad nauseam in another thread. Mathematically, the disparity between white-on-black crime vs black-on-white crime should be expected. With a larger pool of blacks and smaller pool of whites, the majority of crime would be expected to be intraracial while the crime that wasn't would be expected to victimize the larger group. )
For the blacks in your scenario to succumb to negative influences those influences must already be institutionally present within that community. Your opinion is congruent with the opinion that the problem is inherently cultural.
No, that isn't what I said and that isn't the case. Kids have been finding ways to get into trouble on their own for centuries. Kids of all stripes get into trouble all the time. Remember this asshole? http://www.cnn.com/2014/02/05/us/texas-affluenza-teen/ What I did say is that in that particular example, undersupervised children are more likely to get into trouble. It ha not to do with "institutional negative influences".
(I also don't understand how negative influences can be "institutionally present" within a community when a community isn't an institution. ::) )
You're admitting the propensity within the black community for absentee fathers. This is clearly a cultural one.
Which is neither here nor there. You have moved on to your favorite tactic of arguing with your own points.
A large number of these moms aren't working and should have plenty of time to interact with their children. Often times the mothers aren't raising the children at all.
The overwhelmingly vast majority of single mothers are employed and as present as can be expected. Single mothers, as a group, work the longest hours of almost any American demographic, yet has the highest poverty rate. The single mother example I gave above is statistically more accurate than your picture of an unemployed single mother whose too busy selling drugs or whoring herself out to pay attention to her children.