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Bullshit! No one is believing those lies you posted. That right there is... is... typical liberal edited video footage that has been redubbed with a Hawaiian Reagan voice over to make it appear that he really said those things that he really did say while he was not really saying them. For real.
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Is there something controversial here? He suggested giving work permits to foreigners. He didn't say anything about amnesty in that clip.
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Is there something controversial here? He suggested giving work permits to foreigners. He didn't say anything about amnesty in that clip.
Funny you should bring up the A word
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Funny you should bring up the A word
Reagan said that simpson Mazzoli bill on immigration was one of his biggest mistakes in office since while the illegal invaders got amnesty - the promised enforcement never happened by Democrats.
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Funny you should bring up the A word
Ok?
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Number of illegal immigrants pouring into this country:
Under Reagan: 1,026,000/yr
Under Obama: 417,000/yr
[U.S. Customs & Border Patrol statistical reports]
But don't worry. Despite illegal immigration being at a 40 year low, Rick Perry sends 1000 National Guard to border to see what can be done about it. By visuals only.
Obama has vowed to counter Perry's actions (by executive order of course) and move the Statue of Liberty to south Texas. /sarcasm.
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Number of illegal immigrants pouring into this country:
Under Reagan: 1,026,000/yr
Under Obama: 417,000/yr
[U.S. Customs & Border Patrol statistical reports]
But don't worry. Despite illegal immigration being at a 40 year low, Rick Perry sends 1000 National Guard to border to see what can be done about it. By visuals only.
Obama has vowed to counter Perry's actions (by executive order of course) and move the Statue of Liberty to south Texas. /sarcasm.
Those numbers are complete bullshit.
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Those numbers are complete bullshit.
Supply your own numbers then. ::)
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Number of illegal immigrants pouring into this country:
Under Reagan: 1,026,000/yr
Under Obama: 417,000/yr
[U.S. Customs & Border Patrol statistical reports]
But don't worry. Despite illegal immigration being at a 40 year low, Rick Perry sends 1000 National Guard to border to see what can be done about it. By visuals only.
Obama has vowed to counter Perry's actions (by executive order of course) and move the Statue of Liberty to south Texas. /sarcasm.
Are you seriously claiming that the number of illegal immigrants has dropped by about 600,000 people a year?
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I don't think the numbers are BS. Look at the 1980 census and compare it with the 2010 census. The ethnic makeup of the US has changed dramatically since Reagan.
The numbers are BS when you put them in context.
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There is no possible way that there were 2.5 times the number of illegal immigrants pouring over the border in the 1980's than there is today. No fucking way
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repubs, your radio has spoken.
1) amnesty, don't try to stop it.
2) impeachment, don't use the word again.
After all, the leadership of rush, krauthammer and priebus has been stellar, looking back. President Romney and the Repub senate are kicking ass all over the place.
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Are you seriously claiming that the number of illegal immigrants has dropped by about 600,000 people a year?
I am not claiming anything. The US Customs and Borders are.
Year
1988 942,861
1987 1,122,067
1986 1,615,844
1985 1,183,351
1984 1,058,276
1983 1,033,974
1982 745,820
1981 749,808
Average 1,056,500
And this one covers the same border for the Obama years.
Year
2013 414,397
2012 356,873
2011 327,577
2010 447,731
2009 540,865
Average 417,489
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So because Reagan wasn't successful we should just say fuck it now...u libs are fucking retards. None of you have ever been to Guatemala....if u had u'd be joining the militia's keeping these animals out.
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The Repubs and their GOP4Amnesty plan is all just an elaborate act. They don't want you to know the real reason that they are all for illegals getting into our country.
They are planning to make them disappear and use their stem cells for research and their organs for the US patients on the waiting list. This is their health care answer to Obamacare.
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I am not claiming anything. The US Customs and Borders are.
Year
1988 942,861
1987 1,122,067
1986 1,615,844
1985 1,183,351
1984 1,058,276
1983 1,033,974
1982 745,820
1981 749,808
Average 1,056,500
And this one covers the same border for the Obama years.
Year
2013 414,397
2012 356,873
2011 327,577
2010 447,731
2009 540,865
Average 417,489
reality is a tough place for our right wing posters
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reality is a tough place for our right wing posters
Like watching vampires in sunlight.
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Nope not at all dude...first off the Dem congress fucked Reagan...second its 2014 and we are not talking about Reagan..we are talking about the vile piece of shit currently stealing my oxygen in the White House. He isn't doing shit about anything. He gives them amnesty without going through Congress he should be impeached. Will they...who knows.....this is all about staying in power because it aint about taking care of the country. If it were we'd have Little Birds doing gun runs up and down the rio grand until the shitbags turned around.
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Dude....first off I am a lunatic but the point was if you spend any time in Latin America you'd be screaming your ass off to keep these people south of the border. As for the militia..they aren't doing shit but its the thought that counts.
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I am not claiming anything. The US Customs and Borders are.
Yes, you are claiming this:
Number of illegal immigrants pouring into this country:
Under Reagan: 1,026,000/yr
Under Obama: 417,000/yr
[U.S. Customs & Border Patrol statistical reports]
But don't worry. Despite illegal immigration being at a 40 year low
The numbers are based on apprehensions. The fact fewer illegals are being apprehended under Obama doesn't mean fewer illegals are crossing the border. This is about the most retarded thing I've read on the board this week. But it's only Wednesday . . . .
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Bush was/is very passionate about his cheap labor......
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Yes, you are claiming this:
The numbers are based on apprehensions. The fact fewer illegals are being apprehended under Obama doesn't mean fewer illegals are crossing the border. This is about the most retarded thing I've read on the board this week. But it's only Wednesday . . . .
I am reporting the stats that was reflected elsewhere.
Feel free to supply any other stats other than speculation about the subject if you want. Surely our border security has only IMPROVED and INCREASED since Reagans era. But don't let that stop you from finding a link to something that say otherwise.
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I am reporting the stats that was reflected elsewhere.
Feel free to supply any other stats other than speculation about the subject if you want. Surely our border security has only IMPROVED and INCREASED since Reagans era. But don't let that stop you from finding a link to something that say otherwise.
You are reporting and spinning stats you likely got from some liberal rag, which is what I found when I plugged the information in Google. Is that why you didn't post a link?
If you believe we have 600,000 fewer illegals coming across the border than 40 years ago then you are incredibly uninformed. Have you been around the country, particularly to border states? I've seen the results in California, Arizona, New Mexico, and Texas. Nobody who is paying attention (and isn't spouting some agenda) believes that we have had this monumental decrease in illegal immigration. Absurd.
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Prior to 1965, policies such as the national origins formula limited immigration and naturalization opportunities for people from areas outside Western Europe.
The civil rights movement of the 1960s led to the replacement of these ethnic quotas with per-country limits. Since then, the number of first-generation immigrants living in the United States has quadrupled, from 9.6 million in 1970 to about 38 million in 2007.
The peak year of European immigration was in 1907, when 1,285,349 persons entered the country. By 1910, 13.5 million immigrants were living in the United States.
Immigration patterns of the 1930s were dominated by the Great Depression, which hit the U.S. hard and lasted over ten years there. In the final prosperous year, 1929, there were 279,678 immigrants recorded, but in 1933, only 23,068 came to the U.S. In the early 1930s, more people emigrated from the United States than to it. It's all about economics it seems.
While European immigrants accounted for nearly 60% of the total foreign population in 1970, they accounted for only 15% in 2000.
In 1990, George H. W. Bush signed the Immigration Act of 1990, which increased legal immigration to the United States by 40%. Appointed by Bill Clinton, the U.S. Commission on Immigration Reform recommended reducing legal immigration from about 800,000 people per year to approximately 550,000. Bush increased the number of immigrants while Clinton reduced it. Obviously immigration laws are not divided along party lines.
Hispanic immigrants were among the first victims of the late-2000s recession, but since the recession's end in June 2009, immigrants posted a net gain of 656,000 jobs.
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You are reporting and spinning stats you likely got from some liberal rag, which is what I found when I plugged the information in Google. Is that why you didn't post a link?
If you believe we have 600,000 fewer illegals coming across the border than 40 years ago then you are incredibly uninformed. Have you been around the country, particularly to border states? I've seen the results in California, Arizona, New Mexico, and Texas. Nobody who is paying attention (and isn't spouting some agenda) believes that we have had this monumental decrease in illegal immigration. Absurd.
Oh you need a link?
http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2014/jul/24/deirdre-imus/deirdre-imus-more-illegal-immigrants-pouring-now-u/
Or how about
http://www.cbp.gov/sites/default/files/documents/U.S.%20Border%20Patrol%20Fiscal%20Year%20Apprehension%20Statistics%201960-2013.pdf
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Tell me again how I am spinning anything as I pasted the same numbers they gave.
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So...what you're saying is that Obama has fucked this country up so badly that even the dirtiest, poorest Mexican doesn't want to move here?
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Oh you need a link?
http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2014/jul/24/deirdre-imus/deirdre-imus-more-illegal-immigrants-pouring-now-u/
Or how about
http://www.cbp.gov/sites/default/files/documents/U.S.%20Border%20Patrol%20Fiscal%20Year%20Apprehension%20Statistics%201960-2013.pdf
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Tell me again how I am spinning anything as I pasted the same numbers they gave.
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No I don't need a link. I didn't ask for one. I doubt you decided to just go research statistics. A number of liberal rags posted these numbers and spun them just like you did. The numbers do not say illegal immigration has plummeted as you claim. They simply show apprehensions have plummeted. That means we are doing a much poorer job of securing the border.
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You are reporting and spinning stats you likely got from some liberal rag, which is what I found when I plugged the information in Google. Is that why you didn't post a link?
If you believe we have 600,000 fewer illegals coming across the border than 40 years ago then you are incredibly uninformed. Have you been around the country, particularly to border states? I've seen the results in California, Arizona, New Mexico, and Texas. Nobody who is paying attention (and isn't spouting some agenda) believes that we have had this monumental decrease in illegal immigration. Absurd.
First rate reasoning, BB. Because everyone knows that once the immigrants get here they just die and go away before they're here a 2nd year, right?
Also, isn't it common knowledge that crossing the border causes them to become infertile and incapable of reproducing once they're here?
So, yeah, if the immigrant enclaves in the border states are bigger and more visible than before, it can only mean that the annual number of immigrants must be higher now than ever before.
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The numbers are BS when you put them in context.
Translation: The numbers are not truthy enough for BB.
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Yes, you are claiming this:
The numbers are based on apprehensions. The fact fewer illegals are being apprehended under Obama doesn't mean fewer illegals are crossing the border. This is about the most retarded thing I've read on the board this week. But it's only Wednesday . . . .
Fair point. Now, what do you know about how many border patrol folks there are now vs 40 years ago?
Because if there are now far less border patrol folks, that would begin to explain why there so many fewer apprehensions today even if there are actually just as many (or more) folks trying to cross the border.
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No I don't need a link. I didn't ask for one. I doubt you decided to just go research statistics. A number of liberal rags posted these numbers and spun them just like you did. The numbers do not say illegal immigration has plummeted as you claim. They simply show apprehensions have plummeted. That means we are doing a much poorer job of securing the border.
Cognitive dissonance at its finest right here, boyee.
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Cognitive dissonance at its finest right here, boyee.
HAHAHAHA you have to remember that Beach lives in LALA Land which is rife with delusions and deflections, but short on common sense and logic.
US Customs and Borders site being a liberal rag. HAHAHAHA.
Dude has been on a roll lately showcasing his stupidity. More than usual that is. Spin and whine.... that is the tactic when there is nothing else to say but yet he just has to post SOMETHING. So rather than post credible stats that argue the opposite of the USC&B link, he just has to post the nonsense that is in his head. ::) Gotcha.
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No I don't need a link. I didn't ask for one. I doubt you decided to just go research statistics. A number of liberal rags posted these numbers and spun them just like you did. The numbers do not say illegal immigration has plummeted as you claim. They simply show apprehensions have plummeted. That means we are doing a much poorer job of securing the border.
Dems are masters of spinning data and using fuzzy numbers to 'prove their point'. Even if these numbers are accurate-which i doubt- it shows only 'apprehensions', which is completely seperate from the actual numbers who are pouring in.
Ive lived in texas since then, and its clear as day what is going on now to anyone living in a border state. I cannot go ANYWHERE now without hearing more spanish than english. These arent just native hispanic americans either, they are foreign nationals. Ive never seen anything like what is going on now.
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Dems are masters of spinning data and using fuzzy numbers to 'prove their point'. Even if these numbers are accurate-which i doubt- it shows only 'apprehensions', which is completely seperate from the actual numbers who are pouring in.
Ive lived in texas since then, and its clear as day what is going on now to anyone living in a border state. I cannot go ANYWHERE now without hearing more spanish than english. These arent just native hispanic americans either, they are foreign nationals. Ive never seen anything like what is going on now.
Still don't see a link to any numbers reflecting otherwise. All I see is your useless spiel and whining. Which the only thing it proves is you are a partisan idiot.
Guess you will have to try again.
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Dems are masters of spinning data and using fuzzy numbers to 'prove their point'. Even if these numbers are accurate-which i doubt- it shows only 'apprehensions', which is completely seperate from the actual numbers who are pouring in.
Ive lived in texas since then, and its clear as day what is going on now to anyone living in a border state. I cannot go ANYWHERE now without hearing more spanish than english. These arent just native hispanic americans either, they are foreign nationals. Ive never seen anything like what is going on now.
Correct. I don't really doubt the numbers that are being reported, but the way some of these airheads are spinning them is the issue. As I said earlier, anyone who believes we have seen illegal immigration plummet is uninformed.
But it is difficult to reason with partisan hacks.
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These arent just native hispanic americans either, they are foreign nationals.
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How can you tell?
I mean, isn't it one of the big complaints about hispanic immigrants in general that they persist in speaking Spanish and don't assimilate quickly enough?
So, if you see a spanish-speaking woman at, say, the laundromat who has 4 little kids with her, isn't it possible that what you're seeing is 1 Mexican national and 4 US citizens instead of 5 Mexican nationals?
Just because spanish-speakers are more visible doesn't mean there are more coming over the border.
BTW, I don't mean any of this to suggest that there's no problem. I just mean to refute the argument of some that because they see more Hispanics than ever these days it means that there must be more coming over the border despite creditable sources indicating that this isn't the case.
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Let's try your logic here.
There were MORE apprehensions of illegals under Reagan when we had fewer resources and staff on duty for the border. Correct?
We have LESS apprehensions under Obama even though there are more resources and staff devoted to the border today. Correct?
But we have MORE immigrants coming into the country today. Correct?
More immigrants arriving + less apprehensions = majority of immigrants must be legal since only illegals are apprehended. ::)
Are you seriously telling me that is your line of thinking? If so, you really need to find a link and let it do the talking for you cause we all know bullshit when we read it. And that is what you are trying to spread with nothing to back it up.
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How can you tell?
I mean, isn't it one of the big complaints about hispanic immigrants in general that they persist in speaking Spanish and don't assimilate quickly enough?
So, if you see a spanish-speaking woman at, say, the laundromat who has 4 little kids with her, isn't it possible that what you're seeing is 1 Mexican national and 4 US citizens instead of 5 Mexican nationals?
Just because spanish-speakers are more visible doesn't mean there are more coming over the border.
BTW, I don't mean any of this to suggest that there's no problem. I just mean to refute the argument of some that because they see more Hispanics than ever these days it means that there must be more coming over the border despite creditable sources indicating that this isn't the case.
Speculation and profiling only goes so far. If speaking another language besides English is an indication of the person being here illegally, then I can drive 30 miles down to Miami and be in the capital of illegals as everyone either speaks Spanish or Portuguese. ::)
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How can you tell?
I mean, isn't it one of the big complaints about hispanic immigrants in general that they persist in speaking Spanish and don't assimilate quickly enough?
So, if you see a spanish-speaking woman at, say, the laundromat who has 4 little kids with her, isn't it possible that what you're seeing is 1 Mexican national and 4 US citizens instead of 5 Mexican nationals?
Just because spanish-speakers are more visible doesn't mean there are more coming over the border.
BTW, I don't mean any of this to suggest that there's no problem. I just mean to refute the argument of some that because they see more Hispanics than ever these days it means that there must be more coming over the border despite creditable sources indicating that this isn't the case.
Because ive lived in south texas my whole and its plain as day. Everyone here can immediately tell who is local and who is not from around here. Different dialect, different way of dressing, different mannerisms and behavior, etc..
Also the last few years other little details...mexican banks not found here before have been popping up near malls, more signs and stores putting things in spanish, more commercials on tv in spanish featuring latin americans, huge sections of sporting goods stores now selling soccer jerseys where before there were none, latin american pop stars/celebrities showing up in ads, schools being swamped with immigrant kids, whole neighborhoods being bought out by rich mexican nationals..basically we are seeing a gradual transformation into a latin american enclave.
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Correct. I don't really doubt the numbers that are being reported, but the way some of these airheads are spinning them is the issue. As I said earlier, anyone who believes we have seen illegal immigration plummet is uninformed.
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So you're saying that you don't believe the significant reduction of apprehensions indicates a significant reduction in the number of people trying to illegally cross the borders?
And you hold this belief why? Because the number of immigrants you see is greater than ever?
You do realize, don't you, that just because there are significantly less coming over the border annually than in years past this does not at all mean anyone is saying there aren't more illegal immigrants living here than ever before, right?
Sheesh, the number living here will continue to increase as long as the #of illegal immigrants for any given year exceeds the number already living here who die, leave the country, or convert to legal status. I'm gonna guess that those 2 numbers aren't close at all so of course the total number of illegal immigrants we have living here is going to climb each year.
Folks saying that all these illegals there seeing must indicate that there are more coming over the border than ever before remind me of little kids who can't grasp that 1 dime is more valuable than 9 pennies.
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lol... i fucking hate us...
We play the Dumb card whenever its beneficial.
"It only says apprehensions"
As if there isn’t a direct correlation between the two... ::)
We fucking suck bro.
We turn in to Sherlock Holmes when numbers don’t support your predetermined stance on a subject.
We totally ignore the source (or lack thereof) validity and or support articles that fall in line with how we already think.
We are doomed. I’m moving back to the mountains of Puerto Rico
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Because ive lived in south texas my whole and its plain as day. Everyone here can immediately tell who is local and who is not from around here. Different dialect, different way of dressing, different mannerisms and behavior, etc..
Also the last few years other little details...mexican banks not found here before have been popping up near malls, more signs and stores putting things in spanish, more commercials on tv in spanish featuring latin americans, huge sections of sporting goods stores now selling soccer jerseys where before there were none, latin american pop stars/celebrities showing up in ads, schools being swamped with immigrant kids, whole neighborhoods being bought out by rich mexican nationals..basically we are seeing a gradual transformation into a latin american enclave.
Respectfully, JM all that means is that the ones here aren't leaving (or dying off very quickly).
(And that means that living in Mexico sucks so much that the poor illegals don't realize how much Texas sucks, lol.)
Also, I question how you'd be able to tell if a kid born in the USA to an illegal immigrant younger than about 3rd grade is a local or not if he or she is only speaking Spanish.
I grew up in CA and I've been surprised before in public (like at a laundromat, or on BART) when a grade school kid with his family who's been speaking only Spanish busts out with some perfect but slightly accented English when his mom has him talk to a non-Mexican about something.
Businesses are just trying to make money. If Spanish speaking people have money then it just makes sense for businesses to cater to that market by speaking their language.
From a purely cultural standpoint (not a nationally economic one), I don't really get what the objection is. Yeah, "Texas" culture will change in the border areas, but is that necessarily a bad thing? I love Tex-Mex food, for example. Also, many Mexican females are purty.
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So you're saying that you don't believe the significant reduction of apprehensions indicates a significant reduction in the number of people trying to illegally cross the borders?
And you hold this belief why? Because the number of immigrants you see is greater than ever?
You do realize, don't you, that just because there are significantly less coming over the border annually than in years past this does not at all mean anyone is saying there aren't more illegal immigrants living here than ever before, right?
Sheesh, the number living here will continue to increase as long as the #of illegal immigrants for any given year exceeds the number already living here who die, leave the country, or convert to legal status. I'm gonna guess that those 2 numbers aren't close at all so of course the total number of illegal immigrants we have living here is going to climb each year.
Folks saying that all these illegals there seeing must indicate that there are more coming over the border than ever before remind me of little kids who can't grasp that 1 dime is more valuable than 9 pennies.
The number of apprehensions is dependent on many factors, such as how many border patrol resources are available at the time, and how they are being directed; it could be back then they simply followed the law and caught almost everyone coming and sent them back, whereas now they are being directed not enforce much of the law. This seems to be the consensus from the agents themselves, who repeatedly say their hands are being tied from above. It is both entirely possible, likely even, that the vast majority of illegals coming now are not apprehended at all, and are therefore not reflected in the 'official' numbers.
Similar to the obama admin and their ilk claiming he has 'deported more than any other president', when we all know its a clever play on numbers and is complete bs. They pay lip service to the law and enforcement practices and make sure their 'official numbers' look respectable...but then proceed to release the vast majority back into society.
Same shit as the gun control idiots- they push the numbers '30,000' killed by guns in this country!!' Then you look and see that they included in that number 13,000 suicides, criminals shot by cops, the boston bomber terrorist, and almost all the rest are gang bangers killing gang bangers.
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lol... i fucking hate us...
We play the Dumb card whenever its beneficial.
"It only says apprehensions"
As if there isn’t a direct correlation between the two... ::)
We fucking suck bro.
We turn in to Sherlock Holmes when numbers don’t support your predetermined stance on a subject.
We totally ignore the source (or lack thereof) validity and or support articles that fall in line with how we already think.
We are doomed. I’m moving back to the mountains of Puerto Rico
QFT
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Respectfully, JM all that means is that the ones here aren't leaving (or dying off very quickly).
There is a huge difference between native hispanics, who are fully assimilated americans, and the masses of foreign nationals. It is very telling that even among native hispanics there is much outrage and resentment at what is currently going on; they are american citizens too, whose tax dollars are going to support an influx of foreign kids instead of their own kids, and they resent the fact that they are seeing these people waving mexican flags and making demands. Most of their grandparents came over legally, because they wanted to be a part of america and what it stood for, instead of their corrupt, failed nation of mexico. They willfully assimilated into america, are proud to be americans, watch the fucking dallas cowboys and have american flags in their yard. They are as pissed as any other americans to see the audacity and entitlement complex of these foreigners who want to come here and make demands, but are still loyal to mexico and their home countries. Most of these people dont want to become americans, they just want to take advantage of it. They dont want to assimilate, and there are so many of them now, THEY DONT NEED TO.
Therefore this is fundamentally different because instead of them assimilating to america, this part of america is assimilating to THEM. And the more it goes like that, this region will become less and less like america, and more like the third world nation they came from.
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So you're saying that you don't believe the significant reduction of apprehensions indicates a significant reduction in the number of people trying to illegally cross the borders?
And you hold this belief why? Because the number of immigrants you see is greater than ever?
You do realize, don't you, that just because there are significantly less coming over the border annually than in years past this does not at all mean anyone is saying there aren't more illegal immigrants living here than ever before, right?
Sheesh, the number living here will continue to increase as long as the #of illegal immigrants for any given year exceeds the number already living here who die, leave the country, or convert to legal status. I'm gonna guess that those 2 numbers aren't close at all so of course the total number of illegal immigrants we have living here is going to climb each year.
Folks saying that all these illegals there seeing must indicate that there are more coming over the border than ever before remind me of little kids who can't grasp that 1 dime is more valuable than 9 pennies.
I'm saying it because it's true, as anyone with an ounce of common sense and real world experience will tell you. John Matrix tried to explain it to you.
It's not the number of immigrants you see. That's just you being you (making stuff up). It's the sheer number of illegal aliens, the people who live in border towns who experience it, the change in policy by the administration, etc. You should talk to people like JM (as I have) and you get a better understanding of what is happening in the country.
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lol... i fucking hate us...
We play the Dumb card whenever its beneficial.
"It only says apprehensions"
As if there isn’t a direct correlation between the two... ::)
We fucking suck bro.
We turn in to Sherlock Holmes when numbers don’t support your predetermined stance on a subject.
We totally ignore the source (or lack thereof) validity and or support articles that fall in line with how we already think.
We are doomed. I’m moving back to the mountains of Puerto Rico
People disagree with you, so you pick up your bat and ball and go home? Weak.
You started this thread with a clip that didn't support some veiled claim that Reagan supported amnesty.
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There is a huge difference between native hispanics, who are fully assimilated americans, and the masses of foreign nationals. It is very telling that even among native hispanics there is much outrage and resentment at what is currently going on; they are american citizens too, whose tax dollars are going to support an influx of foreign kids instead of their own kids, and they resent the fact that they are seeing these people waving mexican flags and making demands. Most of their grandparents came over legally, because they wanted to be a part of america and what it stood for, instead of their corrupt, failed nation of mexico. They willfully assimilated into america, are proud to be americans, watch the fucking dallas cowboys and have american flags in their yard. They are as pissed as any other americans to see the audacity and entitlement complex of these foreigners who want to come here and make demands, but are still loyal to mexico and their home countries. Most of these people dont want to become americans, they just want to take advantage of it. They dont want to assimilate, and there are so many of them now, THEY DONT NEED TO.
Therefore this is fundamentally different because instead of them assimilating to america, this part of america is assimilating to THEM. And the more it goes like that, this region will become less and less like america, and more like the third world nation they came from.
Melting pot, mang. Sounds like you're just impatient but we're all entitled to our own opinions.
Also, like I alluded to earlier, their are concrete economic reasons for not wanting open borders that supersede all the cultural concerns (in my mind, anyway).
TBH, some of their culture's ways are likely superior to ours, anyway. For instance, when it comes to tight family bonds and taking care of their elderly, I think Mexican culture is much better.
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Ok?
Simpson-Mazoli Act
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I'm saying it because it's true, as anyone with an ounce of common sense and real world experience will tell you. John Matrix tried to explain it to you.
It's not the number of immigrants you see. That's just you being you (making stuff up). It's the sheer number of illegal aliens, the people who live in border towns who experience it, the change in policy by the administration, etc. You should talk to people like JM (as I have) and you get a better understanding of what is happening in the country.
Okey-dokey. You aren't addressing much of anything I wrote.
Not surprising from the guy who illuminatingly writes, "Who the heck cares what someone else says?"
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People disagree with you, so you pick up your bat and ball and go home? Weak.
You started this thread with a clip that didn't support some veiled claim that Reagan supported amnesty.
No...we know he supported amnesty...ITs a fact...like a stone cold fact
My issue is we say Obama is bad and Reagan is good for "these" reasons...
But He and Obama did the same things on a lot of those issues. One is called by the right the worst and the other is called the best.
I despise inconsistent arguments. Those suck.. As do disingenuous ones....and why even get involved if we have our ears and eyes cut off to that which doesn’t fall in line with our predetermined thought pattern. I’m not going to play the semantics game with anyone here. It’s a waste of time. I will continue to only deal in facts. Not "he lacks leadership" horse shit arguments....Facts and numbers.
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Melting pot, mang. Sounds like you're just impatient but we're all entitled to our own opinions.
Also, like I alluded to earlier, their are concrete economic reasons for not wanting open borders that supersede all the cultural concerns (in my mind, anyway).
TBH, some of their culture's ways are likely superior to ours, anyway. For instance, when it comes to tight family bonds and taking care of their elderly, I think Mexican culture is much better.
'Melting pot' is exactly my point...its not happening with them anymore.
We arent assimilating them....they are assimilating us.
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Simpson-Mazoli Act
What about it?
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No...we know he supported amnesty...ITs a fact...like a stone cold fact
My issue is we say Obama is bad and Reagan is good for "these" reasons...
But He and Obama did the same things on a lot of those issues. One is called by the right the worst and the other is called the best.
I despise inconsistent arguments. Those suck.. As do disingenuous ones....and why even get involved if we have our ears and eyes cut off to that which doesn’t fall in line with our predetermined thought pattern. I’m not going to play the semantics game with anyone here. It’s a waste of time. I will continue to only deal in facts. Not "he lacks leadership" horse shit arguments....Facts and numbers.
You are comparing an act of Congress with unilateral action by the president. Apples and oranges.
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No...we know he supported amnesty...ITs a fact...like a stone cold fact
My issue is we say Obama is bad and Reagan is good for "these" reasons...
But He and Obama did the same things on a lot of those issues. One is called by the right the worst and the other is called the best.
I despise inconsistent arguments. Those suck.. As do disingenuous ones....and why even get involved if we have our ears and eyes cut off to that which doesn’t fall in line with our predetermined thought pattern. I’m not going to play the semantics game with anyone here. It’s a waste of time. I will continue to only deal in facts. Not "he lacks leadership" horse shit arguments....Facts and numbers.
Reagan said signing Simpson Mazzoli was one of his biggest errors of his presidency
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'Melting pot' is exactly my point...its not happening with them anymore.
We arent assimilating them....they are assimilating us.
How? Just because Mexican food is delicious?
I think it just takes time. Especially when their population is so big.
Don't worry, though. Our (lack of) culture will suck them in eventually.
They'll be turned into mindless American Idol-watching consumers sooner or later.
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How? Just because Mexican food is delicious?
I think it just takes time. Especially when their population is so big.
Don't worry, though. Our (lack of) culture will suck them in eventually.
They'll be turned into mindless American Idol-watching consumers sooner or later.
You are being incredibly naive...not sure u understand the magnitude of what is taking place. It is completely different and on a whole different scale that past immigration waves (which were all followed by long periods of halted immigration to allow for assimilation)
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What about it?
It was an amnesty bill..no?
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You are comparing an act of Congress with unilateral action by the president. Apples and oranges.
wait... what unilateral action by president?
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It was an amnesty bill..no?
Yes it was.
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It was an amnesty bill..no?
There was coupled with it many promises of border enforcement , etc that were supposed to go along with it than never happened
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You are being incredibly naive...not sure u understand the magnitude of what is taking place. It is completely different and on a whole different scale that past immigration waves (which were all followed by long periods of halted immigration to allow for assimilation)
You could be right (about me being naive) and it could be a cause for a concern even if it doesn't seem like much than xenophobia to me right now. As a guy who's studied Russian and German and is trying to learn Thai in a half-ass way (due to having Thai inlaws)-- I'm much more interested than I am threatened by people from cultures other than my own.
Re: the scale being much greater now than it was with past waves of immigration, is that in just in terms of numbers or also in terms of % of our population?
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So...what you're saying is that Obama has fucked this country up so badly that even the dirtiest, poorest Mexican doesn't want to move here?
No, Bush or maybe Clinton did. The low point for immigration was right after the economy crashed in 2008. Obama wasn't in office long enough to have caused that crisis.
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No, Bush or maybe Clinton did. The low point for immigration was right after the economy crashed in 2008. Obama wasn't in office long enough to have caused that crisis.
This makes sense to me. Annual immigration went down when prospects for paying jobs went down.
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This makes sense to me. Annual immigration went down when prospects for paying jobs went down.
So Obama's failed economy has kept it down?
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wait... what unilateral action by president?
Failing to prosecute illegal aliens, in violation of his Constitutional mandate to enforce the law. Dismissing deportation cases. Running advertisements encouraging illegals to use government services. Refusing to crack down on sanctuary cities. Implementing the Dream Act via executive order.
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So Obama's failed economy has kept it down?
I guess you could say that (though of course some will quibble about Obama being responsible for the economy).
Honestly, what's going on in the USA is only half the story.
How bad shit is (with regard to economics and security) in immigrants' native countries is the other half.
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So Obama's failed economy has kept it down?
The economy is recovering and immigration is on the rise as would be expected.
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I guess you could say that (though of course some will quibble about Obama being responsible for the economy).
Honestly, what's going on in the USA is only half the story.
How bad shit is (with regard to economics and security) in immigrants' native countries is the other half.
You're right about this. People immigrate or move because they are looking for a better life.
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You could be right (about me being naive) and it could be a cause for a concern even if it doesn't seem like much than xenophobia to me right now. As a guy who's studied Russian and German and is trying to learn Thai in a half-ass way (due to having Thai inlaws)-- I'm much more interested than I am threatened by people from cultures other than my own.
Re: the scale being much greater now than it was with past waves of immigration, is that in just in terms of numbers or also in terms of % of our population?
Im not xenophibic at all! I love learning about and experiencing different cultures and the world.
There are several key reasons why the current immigration wave is different than previous ones, and all the factors compound each other; first the current mass wave has been going continuously for decades, with no immigration moratoriums at all to allow for assimilation, as was done in the past. They just keep pouring in endlessly, in unprecedently huge numbers (30-40million in the last 20 or so years?)
Second, for most of american history the immigrants came legally, AND WERE PROCESSED. We knew more or less who was coming in, and they were checked for diseases. Now, we have no idea who is coming in, whether they are criminals or not, or what they are bringing with them, healthwise or weapons wise. Millions of people just cross our borders and disappear into our communities.
Third, previously there was no welfare state, safety net, or special treatment at all. Immigrants had to assimilate into society, and sink or swim on their own. Those who made it stayed, and those who didnt were not supported in perpetuity by society-they went back home. Nowdays, they come FOR the freebies and special treatment; all they have to do is get here, and they know the taxpayers will provide for all their needs. This is a drastically different motivation for coming and does not facilitate becoming productive members of society nor does it facilitate assimilation.
Lastly, a critical and little known fact is that prior to the 1964, 90% of immigrants were europeans, people with similar cultures and ideologies. Since 1964, 90% of our immigrants have come from the third world. Our core european population, which founded and built this nation and turned it into a place where everyone on earth wants to come, is declining, and being replaced by immigrants and cultures who have come from failed nations...its not hard to see where this will lead.
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Im not xenophibic at all! I love learning about and experiencing different cultures and the world.
There are several key reasons why the current immigration wave is different than previous ones, and all the factors compound each other; first the current mass wave has been going continuously for decades, with no immigration moratoriums at all to allow for assimilation, as was done in the past. They just keep pouring in endlessly, in unprecedently huge numbers (30-40million in the last 20 or so years?)
Second, for most of american history the immigrants came legally, AND WERE PROCESSED. We knew more or less who was coming in, and they were checked for diseases. Now, we have no idea who is coming in, whether they are criminals or not, or what they are bringing with them, healthwise or weapons wise. Millions of people just cross our borders and disappear into our communities.
Third, previously there was no welfare state, safety net, or special treatment at all. Immigrants had to assimilate into society, and sink or swim on their own. Those who made it stayed, and those who didnt were not supported in perpetuity by society-they went back home. Nowdays, they come FOR the freebies and special treatment; all they have to do is get here, and they know the taxpayers will provide for all their needs. This is a drastically different motivation for coming and does not facilitate becoming productive members of society nor does it facilitate assimilation.
Lastly, a critical and little known fact is that prior to the 1964, 90% of immigrants were europeans, people with similar cultures and ideologies. Since 1964, 90% of our immigrants have come from the third world. Our core european population, which founded and built this nation and turned it into a place where everyone on earth wants to come, is declining, and being replaced by immigrants and cultures who have come from failed nations...its not hard to see where this will lead.
My evaluation of your nice lengthy post.
1st paragraph: Good. Me, too.
2nd paragraph: Pretty good. I think it makes sense that the bigger the population of immigrants, the more resistant to assimilation they'll be.
3rd paragraph: Everyone needs to be tracked? WTF? If you're in favor of strong gun control laws, then I'll buy this argument from ya. Otherwise, this is weak. The immigration system is fucked up. Anyone who's had any dealings with USCIS knows this.
4th paragraph: Pretty decent. Speaks to economic difficulties when number of immigrants is too big.
5th and last paragraph: Complete poop. Holy shit, did you get this argument from Stormfront? This is some utter freakin' racist bullshit. Oh, your people come from a failed nation so obviously you'll never amount to anything? What kind of old-fashioned bell curve nonsense is this? Also, does your 90% of pre-1964 immigrants include the unwilling ones? Africa is not Europe. And what even constitutes a non-failed state in your mind? Like, how about all our immigrants from Asia? Asia isn't in Europe but aren't post 1964 immigrants from many countries in Asia (including India) doing pretty well? You undercut all your other arguments with this one.