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I expected something impressive. :-\
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You don't know much on drumming, huh?
Not only is music not a contest, so nobody beats the other guy...but Lombardo isn't your most well rounded player. Drumming is about phrasing, dynamics, dynamic contrast, and so on. A speed metal track is fast, but that's about it.
You could have put up a ton of good players, instead that clip. ???
Have you heard of Colaiuta, Gadd, Chambers, Mayer, Carlock, Weckl...and the list goes on. Those are top quality musicians. Peart has great drum parts and is great in Rush, but doesn't come close to the guys I mentioned.
Of course, you are free to like who you do. Just know the chain of command my son.
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Danny Carey blows this fool away. When talking about all time best drummers, hell John Bonham makes this dickbag look like a kindergartner.
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Danny Carey blows this fool away. When talking about all time best drummers, hell John Bonham makes this dickbag look like a kindergartner.
See above post. Carey is a child in an NBA jersey, compared to above. Never confuse odd meters for musical giant. Damn, that band meanders about in their tracks. When the have a good track though, it's real solid, like Stinkfist. A lot of good production gives Tool that fat sound.
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STEWART COPELAND........LARS ULRICH.......BUDDY RICH.......CHICK WEBB.......PHIL COLLINS......NEIL PEART........KEITH MOON......JOHN BONHAM.....
SO MANY FINE DRUMMERS........BUT THESE FELLAS ARE AMONG THE VERY BEST!
IMHO
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You don't know much on drumming, huh?
Not only is music not a contest, so nobody beats the other guy...but Lombardo isn't your most well rounded player. Drumming is about phrasing, dynamics, dynamic contrast, and so on. A speed metal track is fast, but that's about it.
You could have put up a ton of good players, instead that clip. ???
Have you heard of Colaiuta, Gadd, Chambers, Mayer, Carlock, Weckl...and the list goes on. Those are top quality musicians. Peart has great drum parts and is great in Rush, but doesn't come close to the guys I mentioned.
Of course, you are free to like who you do. Just know the chain of command my son.
For a guy who suggests nobody beats the other guy, you make it a point to suggest exactly that with your examples.
You type out names like the classic robotic response. And you tell us "what drumming is about", yet fail to understand that that is what it is TO YOU. As if other attributes and abilities are somehow lesser than those employed by the musicians you enjoy and admire.
I know drumming and I know music. And I know that facility on any given instrument can take many different forms. To be so egocentric to suggest YOU are the ultimate spokesperson for the qualitative elements that go into making a "top-quality musician" is utterly imbecilic.
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Allow a drummer to weigh in, perhaps?
This is the best drummer to have ever graced a stage. The mark of a great drummer is how many of the day's greats list him as the "greatest ever".
I give you Buddy Rich.
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To be so egocentric to suggest YOU are the ultimate spokesperson for the qualitative elements that go into making a "top-quality musician" is utterly imbecilic.
It's not just my view, but many who know something about drumming/music. Phrasing, dynamics, dynamic contrast, groove, and oh yeah, time. Remember these my friend..and style.
Plus, this is getbig, so you can be an expert on anything.
STEWART COPELAND........LARS ULRICH.......BUDDY RICH.......CHICK WEBB.......PHIL COLLINS......NEIL PEART........KEITH MOON......JOHN BONHAM.....
SO MANY FINE DRUMMERS........BUT THESE FELLAS ARE AMONG THE VERY BEST!
IMHO
Did you just put Ulrich in the same group as Buddy Rich? Different styles, but Lars has gotten progressively worse since the Black album. You ever watch him live. The guy can't just lay it back and groove. He was my favorite as a youngster though.
I always thought Moon was sloppy as hell and over played.
All the same, it's easy to pick favorites, it's hard to actually be great at an instrument. No steroids for music, the beauty in a no shortcut field, that few appreciate or know of...meaning the top musicians of today.
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This is a great "young" drummer from the up and coming band "The London Souls"
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I take it most on the thread don't know about Colaiuta or Chambers? That last guy looked like Zappa's left over cousin from 72'. Playing tripelets, like he was trying out for the next Hendrix tribute of "Manic Depression". I'm sure he's good for that band, but were talking about drumming beasts here.
In getbig terms, I'm talking about Coleman, and others are talking a guy with good results on the P90X. ;D
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Buddy was a fantastic drummer. Of this there's no doubt. However, the man's legend has become such that, no matter how good anyone is or becomes, Buddy's name will be thrust out as "the best" by a collective that won't allow any other mentioned.
Fact is, among the tens of thousands of drummers world wide who have become accomplished, quite a few are likely similar to Buddy in monster skill.
To suggest the man bests all drummers in every facet of drumming is absurd.
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Buddy was a fantastic drummer. Of this there's no doubt. However, the man's legend has become such that, no matter how good anyone is or becomes, Buddy's name will be thrust out as "the best" by a collective that won't allow any other mentioned.
Fact is, among the tens of thousands of drummers world wide who have become accomplished, quite a few are likely similar to Buddy in monster skill.
To suggest the man bests all drummers in every facet of drumming is absurd.
fortress........your arrogance boggles me!!!!! you literally bitch and complain and piss and moan about every topic.....and you criticize everyone and everything......you must be truly unhappy..............are you the real fortress....if so.....you make yourself look like an ass.......if you are someone pretending to be fortress.....that is one thing....but to put yourself out there and conduct yourself the way you do is a pity. I still find it hard to believe that you trash the same champs that you used to interview. Buddy should be in the discussion as far as fantastic drummers are concerned.
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It's not just my view, but many who know something about drumming/music. Phrasing, dynamics, dynamic contrast, groove, and oh yeah, time. Remember these my friend..and style.
Plus, this is getbig, so you can be an expert on anything. Did you just put Ulrich in the same group as Buddy Rich? Different styles, but Lars has gotten progressively worse since the Black album. You ever watch him live. The guy can't just lay it back and groove. He was my favorite as a youngster though.
I always thought Moon was sloppy as hell and over played.
All the same, it's easy to pick favorites, it's hard to actually be great at an instrument. No steroids for music, the beauty in a no shortcut field, that few appreciate or know of...meaning the top musicians of today.
yes....different styles......but both gents are sublime drummers.
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To suggest the man bests all drummers in every facet of drumming is absurd.
Nobody said Buddy was a great metal drummer, but his skills make Lars look child like. Nobody is arguing that. I would think Vinny Paul would sound better playing Pantera tunes, than Dave Weckl...but Weckl is a much more versatile musician or better. Weckl can play what Vinny Paul plays, Vinny Paul can't play what Weckl plays...simply put.
I used to think Ulrich was the "best" in 94', until I saw what true masters of the instrument could do.
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fortress........your arrogance boggles me!!!!! you literally bitch and complain and piss and moan about every topic.....and you criticize everyone and everything......you must be truly unhappy..............are you the real fortress....if so.....you make yourself look like an ass.......if you are someone pretending to be fortress.....that is one thing....but to put yourself out there and conduct yourself the way you do is a pity. I still find it hard to believe that you trash the same champs that you used to interview. Buddy should be in the discussion as far as fantastic drummers are concerned.
He wasn't saying Buddy wasn't a great drummer, just the fact that amongst certain circles...you can't "be better than Buddy". I would agree with that. There are many today who I feel are more versed and better even. I was just laughing at putting Ulrich and Rich in the same category of great. Lars can barely play a double stroke roll.
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fortress........your arrogance boggles me!!!!! you literally bitch and complain and piss and moan about every topic.....and you criticize everyone and everything......you must be truly unhappy..............are you the real fortress....if so.....you make yourself look like an ass.......if you are someone pretending to be fortress.....that is one thing....but to put yourself out there and conduct yourself the way you do is a pity. I still find it hard to believe that you trash the same champs that you used to interview. Buddy should be in the discussion as far as fantastic drummers are concerned.
Piss and moan? Where there's cause to, yes.
And yes I am the one and only Fortress.
I trash the individuals in bodybuilding who deserve to be trashed. Unfortunately, a great many do. That there are multitudes of unsavory personalities in the industry isn't my fault. I just happen to have discovered the truth about many of our "stars".
Of course, if you truly are my stalker (in the way you sniffle at my assorted ramblings), you'll also know I think very highly about certain folks famous for muscles.
Oh, and OF COURSE Buddy should be included in any discussion regarding fantastic drummers. Where did I state otherwise?
You seem to be a creepy fuck who projects your mental illness and insecurities onto others. It isn't lost on me that you're likely some dolt I have encountered in my time within the scene. A fake-tanned wank who uses teeth-whitening strips and is a master of schmoozing with anyone who will give you the time of day.
So are you gonna add this post to your collection of Fortress-bilia? Pull your pud like the creepy 'tard you are?
Smashed again. Just as you probably were when you had the misfortune to have been in the same gym as Fortress, looking like the creeptwink you are next to my superiority.
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He wasn't saying Buddy wasn't a great drummer, just the fact that amongst certain circles...you can't "be better than Buddy". I would agree with that. There are many today who I feel are more versed and better even. I was just laughing at putting Ulrich and Rich in the same category of great. Lars can barely play a double stroke roll.
Exactly. Thank you.
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Allow a drummer to weigh in, perhaps?
This is the best drummer to have ever graced a stage. The mark of a great drummer is how many of the day's greats list him as the "greatest ever".
I give you Buddy Rich.
This!
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A few of my favorite drummers, Terry Bozzio, Carl Palmer, Bill Bruford, they don't get enough credit for their skill!
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They say the # 1 drummer in the world is Joey Jordinson from Slipnot.
THE BEEF
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Lars Ulrich ? The rich kid who bought his way into a rock band ?
Let me put it like this......I'm a better drummer than Lars Ulrich, and i can't play the drums.
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J. Porcaro FTW
(http://home.swipnet.se/ml/Jeff5.jpg)
(http://fineartamerica.com/images-medium/jeff-porcaro-the-very-smile-philippe-taka.jpg)
(http://stevegoold.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/jeffporcaro765.jpg)
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Lars Ulrich ? The rich kid who bought his way into a rock band ?
Let me put it like this......I'm a better drummer than Lars Ulrich, and i can't play the drums.
You're exaggerating a bit there 7.
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Lars Ulrich ? The rich kid who bought his way into a rock band ?
Let me put it like this......I'm a better drummer than Lars Ulrich, and i can't play the drums.
;D
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Buddy was a fantastic drummer. Of this there's no doubt. However, the man's legend has become such that, no matter how good anyone is or becomes, Buddy's name will be thrust out as "the best" by a collective that won't allow any other mentioned.
Fact is, among the tens of thousands of drummers world wide who have become accomplished, quite a few are likely similar to Buddy in monster skill.
To suggest the man bests all drummers in every facet of drumming is absurd.
The fact is that it is simply your opinion versus mine. I opine that Rich is the best. Your retort that surely someone somewhere is better.
We agree to disagree, since neither of us can prove our point with any degree of veracity.
Statistically speaking, the odds weigh in your favor since an infinite number of monkeys on an infinite number of drumsets over an infinite amount of time will eventually produce a solo better than anything Buddy has ever done.
I just don't think we've seen that monkey yet.
I would also ask you to produce a video, or article, where one drummer claims he is better than Rich ever was, and that that claimants peer group support his assertion. I think you'll be hard pressed to find that, but I'm open minded.
I've been drumming for over 20 years. There are thousands of great accomplished drummers and I appreciate them all and all have something to teach. But I just can't imagine anyone being more influential or groundbreaking than Rich, today. He was too far ahead of his time and laid a foundation to inspire drummers for a century.
I'll grant you your claim about "legend" though...it does get crazy. But, with all the video evidence of his exploits, it's not like it's hard to back much of it up.
Over to you.
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J. Porcaro FTW
(http://home.swipnet.se/ml/Jeff5.jpg)
(http://fineartamerica.com/images-medium/jeff-porcaro-the-very-smile-philippe-taka.jpg)
(http://stevegoold.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/jeffporcaro765.jpg)
RIP. He was incredible. Taken too young by the demons of rock and roll.
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A few of my favorite drummers, Terry Bozzio, Carl Palmer, Bill Bruford, they don't get enough credit for their skill!
NICE LIST,,,,DRUMS ESPECIALLY LIVE MAKE THE BAND ,NICE BASS DRUM/BEAT/TIGHT SNARE SOUND,DRUM SOLOS ARE NICE BUT PLAYING AROUND AND GIVING THAT BIG SOUND IN AN ARENA IS AWESOME,,,LARRY MULLEN JR FROM U2 HAS THAT SOUND LIVE GREAT,,ANOTHER GUY GOOD DRUMMER JIMMY CHAMBERLIN FROM SMASHING PUMPKINS,,,HAWKINS FROM FOO FIGHTER IS DAVE GROHL CLONE LOL,,,
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One of my favorite drummers
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NICE LIST,,,,DRUMS ESPECIALLY LIVE MAKE THE BAND ,NICE BASS DRUM/BEAT/TIGHT SNARE SOUND,DRUM SOLOS ARE NICE BUT PLAYING AROUND AND GIVING THAT BIG SOUND IN AN ARENA IS AWESOME,,,LARRY MULLEN JR FROM U2 HAS THAT SOUND LIVE GREAT,,ANOTHER GUY GOOD DRUMMER JIMMY CHAMBERLIN FROM SMASHING PUMPKINS,,,HAWKINS FROM FOO FIGHTER IS DAVE GROHL CLONE LOL,,,
A few others Roger Taylor from Queen, Alex Van Halen, Gene Krupa and Louie Belson! I could go on and on with different styles and eras!
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Billy should be in any list of drummers
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Billy should be in any list of drummers
Absolutely!
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A few others Roger Taylor from Queen, Alex Van Halen, Gene Krupa and Louie Belson! I could go on and on with different styles and eras!
AGAIN GOOD LIST REP..ALEX VAN HALEN IS POWERFUL DRUMMER LIVE GREAT DRUM SOLO,,,AGAIN HE KEEPS THE BAND ON,,,
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Lars Ulrich ? The rich kid who bought his way into a rock band ?
Let me put it like this......I'm a better drummer than Lars Ulrich, and i can't play the drums.
ANOTHER MORONIC GETBIGGER.......YOU ARE UNREAL!!!
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You're exaggerating a bit there 7.
YES.......SEVEN HAS JUST SHOWN WHAT A FOOL HE REALLY IS.......FORTRESS HAS SOME SERIOUS COMPETITION.
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He wasn't saying Buddy wasn't a great drummer, just the fact that amongst certain circles...you can't "be better than Buddy". I would agree with that. There are many today who I feel are more versed and better even. I was just laughing at putting Ulrich and Rich in the same category of great. Lars can barely play a double stroke roll.
I NEVER SAID THAT BUDDY WAS THE ABSOLUTE BEST......I SAID HE IS AMONG THE BEST......I HAD QUITE A LIST.
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I NEVER SAID THAT BUDDY WAS THE ABSOLUTE BEST......I SAID HE IS AMONG THE BEST......I HAD QUITE A LIST.
FOR THE UNFLASHY CROWD JUST FOR PURE DRUMMING FOR THE BAND SOUND CHARLIE WATTS
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Lars Ulrich ? The rich kid who bought his way into a rock band ?
Let me put it like this......I'm a better drummer than Lars Ulrich, and i can't play the drums.
You left out the multi millionaire pussy that whined about napster and limewire et al
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No one beats the Professor in drums.
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RIP. He was incredible. Taken too young by the demons of rock and roll.
Toto, talented musicians!
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You left out the multi millionaire pussy that whined about napster and limewire et al
Exactly. Metallica actively encouraged bootleg tapes at concerts when they were starting out. Then they get huge and lead the charge against filesharing??? fuck metallica.
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At 2:58 and 9:58 his sheer speed and chops are exemplified not to mention what he could do with one stick. He had no double bass pedal yet got the double bass sound with one pedal.
One of the greats no doubt with Buddy Rich speed.
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At 2:58 and 9:58 his sheer speed and chops are exemplified not to mention what he could do with one stick. He had no double bass pedal yet got the double bass sound with one pedal.
One of the greats no doubt with Buddy Rich speed.
BONZO WAS A BEAST BIG SOUND 5 PIECE KIT,OVERSIZED BASS DRUM ,SONG REMAINS THE SAME IS PINNACLE ZEP POWER SOUND ,LATER ON 79 RIGHT BEFORE HE DIED THEY DID KNEBWORTH FESTIVAL ,PLANT/PAGE TRIM AND DRESSED SHARP,JONES WAS WELL JONES,BONHAM WAS FAT AND LOOKED TERRIBLE.THEY STILL SOUNDED STRONG THO LIKE A GREAT COMEBACK TO DOMINANCE BAND WITH IN THROUTH THE OUT DOOR OUT AND READY TO TOUR,,THEN BONZO : :'(
RIP...
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At 2:58 and 9:58 his sheer speed and chops are exemplified not to mention what he could do with one stick. He had no double bass pedal yet got the double bass sound with one pedal.
One of the greats no doubt with Buddy Rich speed.
Just a monster....nobody "hit" the drums harder then him 8)
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FOR THE UNFLASHY CROWD JUST FOR PURE DRUMMING FOR THE BAND SOUND CHARLIE WATTS
yes....steverino......you are right......charlie is bad ass!!!!
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YES.......SEVEN HAS JUST SHOWN WHAT A FOOL HE REALLY IS.......FORTRESS HAS SOME SERIOUS COMPETITION.
Ease up on the Caps lock, have your mom explain to you what a "joke" is.
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i love the scene in taxi driver.....where the street drummer is hollering about gene krupa and chick webb.
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Ease up on the Caps lock, have your mom explain to you what a "joke" is.
YOUR MOM IS GOING TO WONDER WHY I GAVE YOU SEVEN SHOTS TO YOUR DOME......
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The fact is that it is simply your opinion versus mine. I opine that Rich is the best. Your retort that surely someone somewhere is better.
We agree to disagree, since neither of us can prove our point with any degree of veracity.
Statistically speaking, the odds weigh in your favor since an infinite number of monkeys on an infinite number of drumsets over an infinite amount of time will eventually produce a solo better than anything Buddy has ever done.
I just don't think we've seen that monkey yet.
I would also ask you to produce a video, or article, where one drummer claims he is better than Rich ever was, and that that claimants peer group support his assertion. I think you'll be hard pressed to find that, but I'm open minded.
I've been drumming for over 20 years. There are thousands of great accomplished drummers and I appreciate them all and all have something to teach. But I just can't imagine anyone being more influential or groundbreaking than Rich, today. He was too far ahead of his time and laid a foundation to inspire drummers for a century.
I'll grant you your claim about "legend" though...it does get crazy. But, with all the video evidence of his exploits, it's not like it's hard to back much of it up.
Over to you.
I would never state so-and-so is the BEST drummer, as I haven't heard every drummer. And even if I had, well, again, how can anyone assess an individual player's bucket of chops and determine these equate to a better overall bucket of chops than the next guy's? Within reason, a highly accomplished player enters a class where better-than-him arguments become subjective.
I have never heard a drummer state that he believes he is better than Buddy. Certainly any basher who would couldn't actually be. Such ignorance and pomposity almost guarantees this individual couldn't genuinely be a world-beater in the skins department. I mean, I guess it's possible, but ... unlikely. True greatness usually doesn't boast in such a way.
I agree that Buddy's influence and impact on the world of drumming is profound and HUGE. And the man's talent is guaranteed to be forever revered.
In general, I don't think we're as far apart in opinion as you might imagine.
There really cannot ever be a "best" when it comes to something as subjectively-assessed as musicianship. There is simply too much criteria to consider.
What one can state, however, is his favourite player.
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I would never state so-and-so is the BEST drummer, as I haven't heard every drummer. And even if I had, well, again, how can anyone assess an individual player's bucket of chops and determine these equate to a better overall bucket of chops than the next guy's? Within reason, a highly accomplished player enters a class where better-than-him arguments become subjective.
I have never heard a drummer state that he believes he is better than Buddy. Certainly any basher who would couldn't actually be. Such ignorance and pomposity almost guarantees this individual couldn't genuinely be a world-beater in the skins department. I mean, I guess it's possible, but ... unlikely. True greatness usually doesn't boast in such a way.
I agree that Buddy's influence and impact on the world of drumming is profound and HUGE. And the man's talent is guaranteed to be forever revered.
In general, I don't think we're as far apart in opinion as you might imagine.
There really cannot ever be a "best" when it comes to something as subjectively-assessed as musicianship. There is simply too much criteria to consider.
What one can state, however, is his favourite player.
good post.
Also there are other factors, such as the business of music.
My cousin was a classically trained musician, he's a virtuoso on guitar, piano, drums and has a great siniging voice. his dream was to be a huge star. The closest he got was being twisted sisters drummer on a tour or two. To listen to him play Dee Sniders elementary crap you would, think he sucKed ass when the truth is he could play literally anything
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You don't know much on drumming, huh?
Not only is music not a contest, so nobody beats the other guy...but Lombardo isn't your most well rounded player. Drumming is about phrasing, dynamics, dynamic contrast, and so on. A speed metal track is fast, but that's about it.
You could have put up a ton of good players, instead that clip. ???
Have you heard of Colaiuta, Gadd, Chambers, Mayer, Carlock, Weckl...and the list goes on. Those are top quality musicians. Peart has great drum parts and is great in Rush, but doesn't come close to the guys I mentioned.
Of course, you are free to like who you do. Just know the chain of command my son.
outed.
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I would never state so-and-so is the BEST drummer, as I haven't heard every drummer. And even if I had, well, again, how can anyone assess an individual player's bucket of chops and determine these equate to a better overall bucket of chops than the next guy's? Within reason, a highly accomplished player enters a class where better-than-him arguments become subjective.
I have never heard a drummer state that he believes he is better than Buddy. Certainly any basher who would couldn't actually be. Such ignorance and pomposity almost guarantees this individual couldn't genuinely be a world-beater in the skins department. I mean, I guess it's possible, but ... unlikely. True greatness usually doesn't boast in such a way.
I agree that Buddy's influence and impact on the world of drumming is profound and HUGE. And the man's talent is guaranteed to be forever revered.
In general, I don't think we're as far apart in opinion as you might imagine.
There really cannot ever be a "best" when it comes to something as subjectively-assessed as musicianship. There is simply too much criteria to consider.
What one can state, however, is his favourite player.
Well worded.
I see your point of view.
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Well worded.
I see your point of view.
Thank you.
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Keith Moon
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that buddy something drummer is my favorite
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Nobody mentioning Colaiuta here. Too many underexposed lads here. And I forgot Porcaro...groove like nobody else. Also, no mention of Gadd or Weckl.
Portnoy another mystery. Odd meters, double bass fills...nothing crazy. Charlie Watts, remedial drumming at its best. Rock drumming is high school, guys I mention are top pros.
I like Bohnam, but his sound is more a mixing/recording thing. Any fat sounded reverb room, will give you a big sound. He did have some nice grooves though. A bit overrated, like Portnoy.
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Check out Dennis Mackeral. One of the best in the biz today, IMO. Saw him at a Jazz club in Toronto a few days ago. Unreal drummer. Had a vicious groove going on; throw in Lorne Lofsky on guitar and Kirk MacDonald on sax. It was difficult to wrap your head around what was happening on stage, it was that good.
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Vinnie Paul is the best!
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Nobody mentioning Colaiuta here. Too many underexposed lads here. And I forgot Porcaro...groove like nobody else. Also, no mention of Gadd or Weckl.
Portnoy another mystery. Odd meters, double bass fills...nothing crazy. Charlie Watts, remedial drumming at its best. Rock drumming is high school, guys I mention are top pros.
I like Bohnam, but his sound is more a mixing/recording thing. Any fat sounded reverb room, will give you a big sound. He did have some nice grooves though. A bit overrated, like Portnoy.
go fuck yourself.....overrated my ass
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Nobody mentioning Colaiuta here. Too many underexposed lads here. And I forgot Porcaro...groove like nobody else. Also, no mention of Gadd or Weckl.
Portnoy another mystery. Odd meters, double bass fills...nothing crazy. Charlie Watts, remedial drumming at its best. Rock drumming is high school, guys I mention are top pros.
I like Bohnam, but his sound is more a mixing/recording thing. Any fat sounded reverb room, will give you a big sound. He did have some nice grooves though. A bit overrated, like Portnoy.
If "anybody" can get John bonhams sound, how is it that his sound is so distinctive ?
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Nobody mentioning Colaiuta here. Too many underexposed lads here. And I forgot Porcaro...groove like nobody else. Also, no mention of Gadd or Weckl.
Portnoy another mystery. Odd meters, double bass fills...nothing crazy. Charlie Watts, remedial drumming at its best. Rock drumming is high school, guys I mention are top pros.
I like Bohnam, but his sound is more a mixing/recording thing. Any fat sounded reverb room, will give you a big sound. He did have some nice grooves though. A bit overrated, like Portnoy.
"John "Bonzo" Bonham is universally acclaimed as the most influential rock drummer ever. He's renowned for his peerless bass drum technique, his momumental open sound and unique groove. Led Zeppelin were progenitors of heavy metal, but they also included elements of blues, folk, jazz, physchedelia and progressive rock. And Bonzo was much more than just a heavy drummer. In his playing you can hear the swing of Buddy Rich, Max Roach and Joe Morello allied with the rocking power of Ginger Baker and Camine Appice. It's then rounded out with some Motown pop and the soul grooves of Al Jackson and Bernard Purdie."
This is from Drummerworld and if you listen to the vid I attached you can't possibly say he is overrated.
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Bohnam to me, is overrated still. I've heard his Moby Dick solo, and it wasn't overly impressive. I don't give a shit what Drumworld says. Anyone they're talking about, of course their going to blow smoke up their ass. Soulful like Purdie...who writes this shit. ???
Vinnie Paul, probably my favorite metal drummer. The drum sound is a huge part of it though. Big fat drum sounds being blended with drum triggered samples.
For Bohnam's sound not being replicated. To track some drums in a castle and see what you get. You ever play in a church? Play a simple 2 4 groove and it will fill the room. Don't get me wrong, I personally like Bohnam...but he's still overrated...almost like Hendrix or Louis, CK.
You can still be goo and be overrated, just look at Cutler.
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Bohnam to me, is overrated still. I've heard his Moby Dick solo, and it wasn't overly impressive. I don't give a shit what Drumworld says. Anyone they're talking about, of course their going to blow smoke up their ass. Soulful like Purdie...who writes this shit. ???
Vinnie Paul, probably my favorite metal drummer. The drum sound is a huge part of it though. Big fat drum sounds being blended with drum triggered samples.
For Bohnam's sound not being replicated. To track some drums in a castle and see what you get. You ever play in a church? Play a simple 2 4 groove and it will fill the room. Don't get me wrong, I personally like Bohnam...but he's still overrated...almost like Hendrix or Louis, CK.
You can still be goo and be overrated, just look at Cutler.
I don't think that Hendrix was overrated at all. If you listen to his peers talk about him (Clapton, Roger Daltrey, etc. etc), the common statement you hear is that they were all blown away by his playing. Many of the ppl that speak of how game-changing and influential Hendrix was, are the same ppl that were shaping RnR. Before Hendrix, nobody was doing those things with a guitar. After Hendrix, everybody wanted to do it. He def. is not overrated.
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I don't think that Hendrix was overrated at all. If you listen to his peers talk about him (Clapton, Roger Daltrey, etc. etc), the common statement you hear is that they were all blown away by his playing. Many of the ppl that speak of how game-changing and influential Hendrix was, are the same ppl that were shaping RnR. Before Hendrix, nobody was doing those things with a guitar. After Hendrix, everybody wanted to do it. He def. is not overrated.
He's no Van Halen or Yngwie Mamlsteen. He had a few albums. If he wasn't black, he'd barely stand out.
Playing the guitar behind your head, not epic. I like his playing, but waaay over rated to me...maybe not you though.
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To each their own.
Brad Wilk of Rage Against the Machine
Artimus Pyle, the second drummer for Skynyrd are both nasty.
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He's no Van Halen or Yngwie Mamlsteen. He had a few albums. If he wasn't black, he'd barely stand out.
Playing the guitar behind your head, not epic. I like his playing, but waaay over rated to me...maybe not you though.
Huh? You obviously haven't listened to a lot of live Hendrix. Start with "machine gun" from Band of Gypsies and go from there. You can hear him fucking around with hammering on..in 1970.
And trust me...I'm the LAST fucking dude that goes for the flashy "hype" guy.....Hendrix was for real.
Disregard most of his early stuff with some notable exceptions...Hendrix stopped with the burning guitars bullshit and fucking PLAYED in the last years of his life.
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Huh? You obviously haven't listened to a lot of live Hendrix. Start with "machine gun" from Band of Gypsies and go from there. You can hear him fucking around with hammering on..in 1970.
And trust me...I'm the LAST fucking dude that goes for the flashy "hype" guy.....Hendrix was for real.
Disregard most of his early stuff with some notable exceptions...Hendrix stopped with the burning guitars bullshit and fucking PLAYED in the last years of his life.
And throw in the fact that EVERY modern guitar player cites Hendrix as an influence should tell you something.
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hendrix was a big fan of this fella
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Gotta give Phil Collins some credit... both as a drummer and artist...
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"John "Bonzo" Bonham is universally acclaimed as the most influential rock drummer ever. He's renowned for his peerless bass drum technique, his momumental open sound and unique groove. Led Zeppelin were progenitors of heavy metal, but they also included elements of blues, folk, jazz, physchedelia and progressive rock. And Bonzo was much more than just a heavy drummer. In his playing you can hear the swing of Buddy Rich, Max Roach and Joe Morello allied with the rocking power of Ginger Baker and Camine Appice. It's then rounded out with some Motown pop and the soul grooves of Al Jackson and Bernard Purdie."
This is from Drummerworld and if you listen to the vid I attached you can't possibly say he is overrated.
Would agree he is the most influential rock drummer of all time!
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Gotta give Phil Collins some credit... both as a drummer and artist...
No we don't actually...Phil Collins.....ugh.
Just my opinion, don't have an aneurysm.
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hendrix was a big fan of this fella
He was Hendrix's favorite guitarist!
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Lot of greats mentioned in this thread, but, here's a great young drummer, in his prime, NOW.
If you like this band, they're opening for the Black Crowes this Summer.
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Lot of greats mentioned in this thread, but, here's a great young drummer, in his prime, NOW.
If you like this band, they're opening for the Black Crowes this Summer.
Nice! Song sounded like I'm a Man by Chicago!
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He's no Van Halen or Yngwie Mamlsteen. He had a few albums. If he wasn't black, he'd barely stand out.
Playing the guitar behind your head, not epic. I like his playing, but waaay over rated to me...maybe not you though.
THE WAY EDDIE VAN HALEN..plays ,sound,style,and not classic stylings as his idol Clapton ,found that one strange his influence.eddie since he cleaned up live sounds great again,he was a mess for a long time...guy too me is still incredible.
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Dave Lombardo is definitely up there... just listen to the drums here
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Lars Ulrich ? The rich kid who bought his way into a rock band ?
Let me put it like this......I'm a better drummer than Lars Ulrich, and i can't play the drums.
He's varied quite a bit in his ability. The drums on "... And Justice For All" are very technical. As the songs got simpler he let his craft fall by the way side.
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Romain Goulon.....guy is insane.
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If drums were cheap, the blacks would take over as "the best". Drumming is embedded in their DNA.
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Funny how a thread about best drummer, always ends up about guitar!
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Funny how a thread about best drummer, always ends up about guitar!
eddie and alex vh switched as kids...
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eddie and alex vh switched as kids...
I know, Eddie played Keyboards on 1984 and other tracks!
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I know, Eddie played Keyboards on 1984 and other tracks!
well to teenagers in 1984 eddie on keyboards and 'jump'was something to get used too,,,all in all a great cd/album btw..
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I laugh how some still consider rock musicians the elementary version of their peers in jazz, etc. In case you weren't paying attention, rock musicianship, especially in metal forms, has become every bit as technically accomplished as that found in more "sophisticated" genres. Different perhaps, but no less impressive.
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If drums were cheap, the blacks would take over as "the best". Drumming is embedded in their DNA.
Yeah, right.
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I laugh how some still consider rock musicians the elementary version of their peers in jazz, etc. In case you weren't paying attention, rock musicianship, especially in metal forms, has become every bit as technically accomplished as that found in more "sophisticated" genres. Different perhaps, but no less impressive.
YES ,,iron maiden original singer paul d'ianno was limited vocally and they had a british metal/punk sound and evolved technically/lyrically with Dickinson...
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Nice! Song sounded like I'm a Man by Chicago!
Yeah, they draw a lot from 60s-70s bands. I stumbled on to them in a small club in NYC. I've seen them a bunch of times when there was hardly anyone in the room. It's pretty cool to see them playing 2-3k venues.
This vid is incredible.
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Love Dennis Chambers playing with The Brecker brothers
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I don't know what's better the rare Keith Moon drum solo or the people dancing to it.
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STEWART COPELAND........LARS ULRICH.......BUDDY RICH.......CHICK WEBB.......PHIL COLLINS......NEIL PEART........KEITH MOON......JOHN BONHAM.....
SO MANY FINE DRUMMERS........BUT THESE FELLAS ARE AMONG THE VERY BEST!
IMHO
Loooool Lars Ulrich??? You don know jack shit, and I'm even danish.
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The band I mentioned earlier in the thread, The London Souls, just finished a tour opening for the Black Crowes. They also just appeared on the Arte Lange show.
Some cool drumming in this clip, although the sound could've been louder:
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The best? Music is entirely subjective.
No wonder there are so many genres.
No wonder the music stores have aisles and aisles full of different kinds of music.
But, as far as drumming goes, I suppose my "Favorites" might be deemed "The best" ~ but really it's just a matter of opinion.
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Funny how a thread about best drummer, always ends up about guitar!
It is pretty funny... especially as a guitar player.
Without reading through I'll bet Yngwie and EVH were mentioned?
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No ONE beats Neil Peart... end of story
Although I am impressed with this new drummer and her skills at such a young age.
Little Drummer Girl...
http://vitaminl.tv/video/224
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Where does Tommy Lee fit in here?
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Where does Tommy Lee fit in here?
He doesn't.
He is really good for what he does, totally, but in the overall scheme of monster drummers, he's nowhere. Fantastic power player, though. As well, one also has to consider that, more than likely, the man doesn't practice and devote his existence to the instrument. If he did, who knows how accomplished he could become.
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No ONE beats Neil Peart... end of story
Although I am impressed with this new drummer and her skills at such a young age.
Little Drummer Girl...
http://vitaminl.tv/video/224
Tonnes of impressive young kids playing drums all over YouTube.
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No one beats Neil Peart ...... Buddy Rich in 2nd
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He's damn good but that song sucks
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I don't care if it's not the best drummer but the most hardcore shit I've ever heard:
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Love Dennis Chambers playing with The Brecker brothers
Chambers is incredible. Anyone mention Dave Weckl or Vinnie Colaiuta yet? Peart is an amazing rock drummer, but he can't touch these guys.
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Chambers is incredible. Anyone mention Dave Weckl or Vinnie Colaiuta yet? Peart is an amazing rock drummer, but he can't touch these guys.
Vinnie Colaiuta is great he was recently playing with Jeff Beck!
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Vinnie Colaiuta is great he was recently playing with Jeff Beck!
Hell of a combo there.
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he obviously loves the cock
the op, not the overrated drummer
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You don't know much on drumming, huh?
Not only is music not a contest, so nobody beats the other guy...but Lombardo isn't your most well rounded player. Drumming is about phrasing, dynamics, dynamic contrast, and so on. A speed metal track is fast, but that's about it.
You could have put up a ton of good players, instead that clip. ???
Have you heard of Colaiuta, Gadd, Chambers, Mayer, Carlock, Weckl...and the list goes on. Those are top quality musicians. Peart has great drum parts and is great in Rush, but doesn't come close to the guys I mentioned.
Of course, you are free to like who you do. Just know the chain of command my son.
Fuck off you lame purist wannabe douchbag homo.
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He's damn good but that song sucks
No, you suck. Dipshit
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Fuck off you lame purist wannabe douchbag homo.
But he's right.
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Allow a drummer to weigh in, perhaps?
This is the best drummer to have ever graced a stage. The mark of a great drummer is how many of the day's greats list him as the "greatest ever".
I give you Buddy Rich.
Not really music is it though? Just a bit of self-indulgent crap.
Music is meant to be listened to and enjoyed - too many "artistes" tend to forget that and go off on wanky solo's for 10 minutes showing their skillz but producing something that has little value musically.
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But he's right.
And you're a lame ass too then, no different than those guys that think blues and jazz are the total measure of musical greatness and that no guitar player should play more then three notes and minute or they are wacking off. As soon as he said that Portney is over rated he should have been called out on his dick sucking gayness.
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And you're a lame ass too then, no different than those guys that think blues and jazz are the total measure of musical greatness and that no guitar player should play more then three notes and minute or they are wacking off. As soon as he said that Portney is over rated he should have been called out on his dick sucking gayness.
As far as pure drumming goes, though, the guys he mentioned are amazing.
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jeffery p. FTW
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Not really music is it though? Just a bit of self-indulgent crap.
Music is meant to be listened to and enjoyed - too many "artistes" tend to forget that and go off on wanky solo's for 10 minutes showing their skillz but producing something that has little value musically.
Are you a percussionist, or drummer?
Rich is often regarded as the greatest by men who are referred to as the "greatest" in this thread. He may not be viewed by the average music lover as contemporary anymore...the heydays of big band and jazz are long since passed and though they do enjoy a following, I don't need to tell you that it's not what it used to be.
Spend time with Peart and ask him who he thinks is the greatest. He'll tell you it's Buddy Rich.
The whole point of a solo is to show a virtuoso's prowess on the instrument. And there's showmanship involved too. That's part of being entertaining, which frankly, most drummers aren't (to non-drummers...most drummers find other drummers entertaining, but that's incestuous).
Rich is a peerless musician. What made him extra special was his showmanship and ability to lead other great musicians...something you don't see often from the rhythm section.
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NEIL PEART some incredible drum parts/runs/solos through the decades,his 70/80's stuff was awesome,the later 80's with the new wave electric drumming pads got a little cheesy but he made it work around his solo's normal kit toms.floor tom's,bass ,his work in just a song like 'red barchetta'shows his sound/power he creates just great stuff.
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Great clip lightweight. Listen to them all the time, maybe even better without the singing...
He is definitely a very good metal drummer, good enough to be at drum fest.
Agree w/ most here, Dennis Chambers, Dave Weckl, Buddy Rich (of course), Gadd, Carter Beauford (Dave Matthews) all up there.
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Dennis chambers wife worked at my high school in 1999...Baltimore, MD
he put on a show/clinic....total dick
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this guys kick is slowed compared to the original drummer who played on that track...gene hoglan...who would blow this douche away
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keith was unique...
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Just a bit :D
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keith was unique...
He was a madman, but a great drummer!