Stephen Hawking:'There is NO heaven; it's a fairy story'- HAHHA

[PJim]

Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.

Is God able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.

Is God both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?

Is God neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God?

[NarcissisticDeity]

Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.

Is God able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.

Is God both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?

Is God neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God?

They haven't been able to counter that one since 33 A.D. 

[loco]

Flash back 200 yrs.... Volcanos are angry gods, Thunder is an angry god, hurricanes and tornados are the wrath of an angry god, flies grew out of soup....


Fortunately we have progressed beyond the "it's a god" answer to everything we don't understand at the moment..or have we?

Flash back 3,000 or so years ago and the Jews already knew better:

Jeremiah 10:1-2,13

1 Hear what the LORD says to you, people of Israel. 2  This is what the LORD says:

   “Do not learn the ways of the nations
   or be terrified by signs in the heavens,
   though the nations are terrified by them.

13 When He thunders, the waters in the heavens roar;
   He makes clouds rise from the ends of the earth.
He sends lightning with the rain
   and brings out the wind from his storehouses.

[Dr.Ill]

You believe in God , please show me proof that there is one.

Yours and mine existence....

[Dr.Ill]

Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? ((able but can not intervene in free will)) Job 2:3-6
Then he is not omnipotent God.

Is God able, but not willing?  ((it is his child's choice, he hopes they make the right choice))
Then he is malevolent God.

Is God both able and willing?  ((answered asbove))
Then whence cometh evil?

Is God neither able nor willing?  (( answered above))
Then why call him God.

Fixed

[GroinkTropin]

Flash back 200 yrs.... Volcanos are angry gods, Thunder is an angry god, hurricanes and tornados are the wrath of an angry god, flies grew out of soup....


Fortunately we have progressed beyond the "it's a god" answer to everything we don't understand at the moment..or have we?

I would love to hear a valid reason-other than Intelligent Design- that explains why forces like gravity exist in the first place.

You can go into how gravity works and what have you, but you still cannot explain WHY it happens in the first place.

Maybe spinning celestial bodies should repel other objects? Or super-heat themselves and disintegrate? How about THEY SPIN AND NOTHING HAPPENS?

Think about it.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Yours and mine existence....

NOT proof at all many people claim their deity is the reason for ' Yours and mine existence ' you all can not be right , try again.

[Dr.Ill]

NOT proof at all many people claim their deity is the reason for ' Yours and mine existence ' you all can not be right , try again.

Where did you come from then?  Where did the first human come from if not God?  I have writings that explain to me where the first came from that I believe, what reading are you doing that tells you your first existence, with it being different than I.

[PJim]

Fixed

Please, just stop. You are embarrassing yourself.

[PJim]

I would love to hear a valid reason-other than Intelligent Design- that explains why forces like gravity exist in the first place.

You can go into how gravity works and what have you, but you still cannot explain WHY it happens in the first place.

Maybe spinning celestial bodies should repel other objects? Or super-heat themselves and disintegrate? How about THEY SPIN AND NOTHING HAPPENS?

Think about it.

Here's the thing. There hasn't got to be a "WHY".

[#1 Klaus fan]

I would love to hear a valid reason-other than Intelligent Design- that explains why forces like gravity exist in the first place.

You can go into how gravity works and what have you, but you still cannot explain WHY it happens in the first place.

Maybe spinning celestial bodies should repel other objects? Or super-heat themselves and disintegrate? How about THEY SPIN AND NOTHING HAPPENS?

Think about it.

Oh great, another "this universe happens to be the way it is, therefore god exists" argument.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Where did you come from then?  Where did the first human come from if not God?  I have writings that explain to me where the first came from that I believe, what reading are you doing that tells you your first existence, with it being different than I.

When you say God did it you have explained NOTHING at all.

and a dozen of other groups all have writings that explain to them where they came from , you all CAN NOT be correct especially when they're all in conflict with each other.

your proof is nonsense , they all have the same proof

[GroinkTropin]

Here's the thing. There hasn't got to be a "WHY".

You demand proof of God's existence, as if a Christian is supposed to text Jesus and make Him appear, and yet, when asked for a reason why you believe in a haphazard chaotic universe that just up and created itself, you become incredulous. Why is that?

[PJim]

Where did you come from then?  Where did the first human come from if not God?  I have writings that explain to me where the first came from that I believe, what reading are you doing that tells you your first existence, with it being different than I.

Key word being "believe". Go open a dictionary.

[Dr.Ill]

When you say God did it you have explained NOTHING at all.

and a dozen of other groups all have writings that explain to them where they came from , you all CAN NOT be correct especially when they're all in conflict with each other.

your proof is nonsense , they all have the same proof

I have told you where I got my beliefs, the Bible, and obviously it is not enough for you.

Now, I am asking you, your opinion on where you think we all started?

[NarcissisticDeity]

I have told you where I got my beliefs, the Bible, and obviously it is not enough for you.

Now, I am asking you, your opinion on where you think we all started?

I asked for proof NOT beliefs , prove your God is real.

[Dr.Ill]

Key word being "believe". Go open a dictionary.

I do not have a dictionary handy, so lets start with physics, with you being so intelligent.

Physics has proven, there has to be order before disorder, correct?

Would this not go against your own scientific proof, of this great explosion and things just happened?

[GroinkTropin]

I asked for proof NOT beliefs , prove your God is real.

Even if God showed Himself to you, plain as day, you would not believe. Ever. So why should anyone who does bother?

[Dr.Ill]

I asked for proof NOT beliefs , prove your God is real.

I will as soon as you prove there is NOT one.

[PJim]

You demand proof of God's existence, as if a Christian is supposed to text Jesus and make Him appear, and yet, when asked for a reason why you believe in a haphazard chaotic universe that just up and created itself, you become incredulous. Why is that?

  Demand? Incredulous?  
You are never called upon to prove a negative, that's a law of logic. Reality is the ultimate arbiter of the mind, I am happy dealing with what I know thank you very much.

[#1 Klaus fan]

I will as soon as you prove there is NOT one.

Atheists are shaking in their boots.

[NarcissisticDeity]

I will as soon as you prove there is NOT one.

Never heard this old one before  the onus my friend is on YOU making the claim to back it An extraordinary claim requires extraordinary proof.

I read it in a book and I believe it is most certainly NOT extraordinary proof

[PJim]

I do not have a dictionary handy, so lets start with physics, with you being so intelligent.

Physics has proven, there has to be order before disorder, correct?

Would this not go against your own scientific proof, of this great explosion and things just happened?

What explosion?

[PJim]

Never heard this old one before  the onus my friend is on YOU making the claim to back it An extraordinary claim requires extraordinary proof.

I read it in a book and I believe it is most certainly NOT extraordinary proof

Someone's been watching Cosmos on repeat 

[NarcissisticDeity]

What explosion?

I think he means expansion