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Title: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: pobrecito on October 20, 2006, 08:18:09 PM


He did not look bad at all....262lbs...look at that back :o

There is no fucking way Shawn Ray could have ever beat that in a million years.

Pumpster and Hulkster please refrain from posting, you are too predictable, so buzz off.

very impressive.
Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: pumpster on October 20, 2006, 08:21:01 PM
STFU you got that video from my post yesterday troll.
Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: pobrecito on October 20, 2006, 08:24:25 PM
you obviously have reading comprehension problems.

You are worthless. You have not made 1 intelligent contribution to the truce thread whatsoever. However, you have been owned so many times I'm surprised you keep coming back for more.
Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: pobrecito on October 20, 2006, 08:27:17 PM
Oh, and please take a screenshot where you see abdominal distention in that posing routine. Too bad you won't find any.
Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: pumpster on October 20, 2006, 08:28:06 PM
Enjoy my video.
Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: IceCold on October 20, 2006, 08:36:37 PM
considering that was dorian's worst year, he still was easily the winner.


there is no way 205 lbs. could handle dorian's size and condition.

he was the best conditioned guy onstage that year.

hulkster and pumpster always claiming there is no visual evidence of dorian, but after seeing this clip, i dont see how anyone can say yates was underrated or didnt deserve the scores he did.


there is sitll no one that has dorian's size and conditioning - even 12 years later. 

Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: figgs on October 20, 2006, 08:58:08 PM
He has great talent as a bodybuilder! He's an extremely skilled poser. Much better than Ronnie is. His posing routine was too long though. He should have left out the part with the rap music. I bet that was Weiders influence. I read that DY prefered performing posing routines that were short and to the point.
Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: legbreaker on October 20, 2006, 09:05:51 PM
I have a video of Dorian from 93 (I believe) guest posing at the Atlantic states in july of that year.  For anyone that wasn't at the show in NY that year, I'm telling ya it was the most impressive Dorian I've ever seen.  A friend of mine that is a big bodybuilding fan did not believe it when i said it's more impressive than even Ronnie...just incredible dens, granite like muscle.  I will see if i can get it transfered to DVD this weekend and post it. 
Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: IceCold on October 20, 2006, 09:09:20 PM
He has great talent as a bodybuilder! He's an extremely skilled poser. Much better than Ronnie is. His posing routine was too long though. He should have left out the part with the rap music. I bet that was Weiders influence. I read that DY prefered performing posing routines that were short and to the point.


yeah, i'm sure ben and joe are huge rap fans.

wasnt the 96 Olympia in atlanta?  maybe dorian was playing to the large black population. 
Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: pobrecito on October 20, 2006, 09:09:24 PM
I have a video of Dorian from 93 (I believe) guest posing at the Atlantic states in july of that year.  For anyone that wasn't at the show in NY that year, I'm telling ya it was the most impressive Dorian I've ever seen.  A friend of mine that is a big bodybuilding fan did not believe it when i said it's more impressive than even Ronnie...just incredible dens, granite like muscle.  I will see if i can get it transfered to DVD this weekend and post it. 

please do that, it would be greatly appreciated. Quality footage of Yates from 93 is hard to come by (the 93 O video sucked the way they kept panning in and out, couldn't get a good look at the overall physique)
Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: apk19 on October 20, 2006, 09:34:08 PM
Oh, and please take a screenshot where you see abdominal distention in that posing routine. Too bad you won't find any.

I was going to say the same thing myself...hard to spot gut problems in the vid.
Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: Shawn Ray on October 20, 2006, 09:43:28 PM
 ::)
Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: sgt. d on October 20, 2006, 10:24:36 PM
yes dorian is better than this ::)
Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: sgt. d on October 20, 2006, 10:26:42 PM


He did not look bad at all....262lbs...look at that back :o

There is no fucking way Shawn Ray could have ever beat that in a million years.

Pumpster and Hulkster please refrain from posting, you are too predictable, so buzz off.

very impressive.

Hi dorian
Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: delta9mda on October 20, 2006, 10:28:48 PM
yes dorian is better than this ::)
shawn was fantastic, except for the long torso, narrow shoulders and short blocky legs.  ;D
Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: sgt. d on October 20, 2006, 10:29:34 PM
dorian has no arms, horrible waist, poor chest, poor condition
Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: legbreaker on October 20, 2006, 10:40:03 PM
Shawn obviously is one of the best BB's ever, BUT there is no way he or anyone else then would stand a shot against the 93 Dorian in the video I will post.  I do not even think Shawn would disagree.
Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: JOHN MATRIX on October 20, 2006, 10:45:28 PM
::)
hahahah poor shawn ;D

seriously though even with the torn bicep, dorian was incredible in 94.
shawn was as great standing alone but when he stood next to dorian it was lights out.
Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: Hurricane Beef ! on October 21, 2006, 02:56:56 AM
yes dorian is better than this ::)

Shawn made a mistake when he down sized his thighs.

The Beef
Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: JasonH on October 21, 2006, 03:15:13 AM
It's not the best I've seen him and 94 was his worst year of all his Olympia wins - his bicep was shot to pieces and his tan was awful.

I love the bit at the beginning when he's talking about his life - he spews the same crap every year about his gym and about his goals and motivations. It's like listening to a broken record. Bodybuilding is simply like Groundhog Day, especially for the top guys in the sport. Nothing changes.
Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: Oblique on October 21, 2006, 03:20:52 AM
Robbery and the Olympia go hand and hand. ::)

Labrada beat Haney in 89 and 90.

Ray beat Yates in 94 and El Sonbaty beat him in 97.
Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: davidpaul on October 21, 2006, 03:30:19 AM
poor condition

 ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: crownshep on October 21, 2006, 03:35:53 AM
Dorian always looked his best a week after the Olympia,he had a chance to really fill out and his condition was still good.Here`s a couple of screencaps taken from when he guest posed at the British Champs in 94.
Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: davidpaul on October 21, 2006, 03:47:53 AM
Dorian always looked his best a week after the Olympia,he had a chance to really fill out and his condition was still good.Here`s a couple of screencaps taken from when he guest posed at the British Champs in 94.

he was so obsessed with being in shaope, that imo he used to come in a little flat.
Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: arce377 on October 21, 2006, 03:49:36 AM
Ray SHOULD HAVE AT LEAST ONE SANDOW!
Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: disco_stu on October 21, 2006, 05:47:33 AM
afaik that was the year levrone made the comeback from the pec tear and IMO was better than Doz and shoulda taken it.

and fwiw shawn doesnt deserve an 'O.

thats not to say that guys who have got one deserve them all...

and also im not saying that other guys didnt deserve them.

just my opinion that shawn wasnt ever the best guy at any one point in time, on the day, or throughout the years.

i am a ray fan, but again, IMO he was at best, number 2, for rief periods of his career.

still not a bad achievement at all, and arguably not recognised by his placings he received..but there are others in that same situation that were perhaps one spot higher still that you'd consider even harder done by.

Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: Necrosis on October 21, 2006, 06:14:01 AM
to be honest he looks very flat in that video and his quads and hams are small for a man of that weight, along with his arms. he just doesnt have that round muscle look and is flat. back is great though but not extremely thick, wide and detailed from top to bottom. would like to see the other competitors cause that is not a dominant physique. i cant get over how bad his quads were, they had little sweep and no seperations.
Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: delta9mda on October 21, 2006, 06:17:36 AM
Shawn obviously is one of the best BB's ever, BUT there is no way he or anyone else then would stand a shot against the 93 Dorian in the video I will post.  I do not even think Shawn would disagree.
dont get me wrong, shawn had second place at the 93. why flex got it (2nd)is beyond me.
Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on October 21, 2006, 06:23:52 AM
Hulkster claimed this contest was the most controversial Mr Olympia since 1980  yet has nothing to back it up  with besides him find the worse picture of Yates and the best of Ray

For the ill-informed 1994 wasn't EVEN close , not on paper and not in reality , Shawn looked fantastic perhaps a career best but the last Mr Olympia who weighed close to 200lbs was Samir Bannout 11 years earlier and the trend was the winners were getting heavier , Haney 1984 was 230lbs by his lat Olympia win in 1991 he was 250lbs , Yates first win he was 242lbs and by his end he was 270lbs !

Dorian was off especially from 1993 but he wasn't Ronnie Coleman-2006-Olympia-off , he tore his bicep and quad a few weeks out and having a poor tan didn't help , Yates said he was fighting a stomach-bug at prejudging which caused his stomach to bloat but he rectified the situation at the night show and came in much tighter , he was 262lbs and shredded , here are some quotes from the contest

quote Flex Jan 1995 " Let it be recorded that in the immediate aftermath of the contest , none of his closest rivals even hinted that Yates did not deserve to win . "

quote Shawn Ray Flex Jan 1995 " Tonight I feel I got what I deserved "

quote Flex Jan 1995 " As Yates , Levrone and Ray stood onstage , the reiging champ ( cognizant of 1992 ) told Levrone " Looks like it's you and me again " Mr Olympia got it wrong , and the booing deciblel dwarfed that accorded the Dillet announcement as Kevin Levrone was called out in third "

quote Ironman Jan 1995 " Since he ( Ray ) was trailing Levrone by four points going into round 3 ( posing round ) Shawn was going to have to equal his showing of seven years ago ( Nationals win ) to have a chance of passing Levrone "

quote Ironman Jan 1995 " The battle was between Shawn and Kevin for second "

quote Ironman Jan 1995 former IFBB judge Roger Schwab " Yates is simply in another league. When he turns his back and flexes , he's the only man onstage. "

quote " Shawn Ray in a rout. He was better than ever. Any criticism is a stretch for a reporter to fill space. That such magnificence is litterally crushed by Yates is a sobering thought ."

Quote Flex Dec 1995

 " In 1994 , he ( Dorian ) was admittedly not at his best , but he was still the best bodybuilder onstage that day. No one not even runner-up Shawn Ray,disagreed with that stance on the night of Yates' threepeat. "


So there you have it , another day at the office for Yates and Shawn was lucky to place ahead of Levrone .
Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: nicorulez on October 21, 2006, 06:34:22 AM
Hulkster claimed this contest was the most controversial Mr Olympia since 1980  yet has nothing to back it up  with besides him find the worse picture of Yates and the best of Ray

For the ill-informed 1994 wasn't EVEN close , not on paper and not in reality , Shawn looked fantastic perhaps a career best but the last Mr Olympia who weighed close to 200lbs was Samir Bannout 11 years earlier and the trend was the winners were getting heavier , Haney 1984 was 230lbs by his lat Olympia win in 1991 he was 250lbs , Yates first win he was 242lbs and by his end he was 270lbs !

Dorian was off especially from 1993 but he wasn't Ronnie Coleman-2006-Olympia-off , he tore his bicep and quad a few weeks out and having a poor tan didn't help , Yates said he was fighting a stomach-bug at prejudging which caused his stomach to bloat but he rectified the situation at the night show and came in much tighter , he was 262lbs and shredded , here are some quotes from the contest

quote Flex Jan 1995 " Let it be recorded that in the immediate aftermath of the contest , none of his closest rivals even hinted that Yates did not deserve to win . "

quote Shawn Ray Flex Jan 1995 " Tonight I feel I got what I deserved "

quote Flex Jan 1995 " As Yates , Levrone and Ray stood onstage , the reiging champ ( cognizant of 1992 ) told Levrone " Looks like it's you and me again " Mr Olympia got it wrong , and the booing deciblel dwarfed that accorded the Dillet announcement as Kevin Levrone was called out in third "

quote Ironman Jan 1995 " Since he ( Ray ) was trailing Levrone by four points going into round 3 ( posing round ) Shawn was going to have to equal his showing of seven years ago ( Nationals win ) to have a chance of passing Levrone "

quote Ironman Jan 1995 " The battle was between Shawn and Kevin for second "

quote Ironman Jan 1995 former IFBB judge Roger Schwab " Yates is simply in another league. When he turns his back and flexes , he's the only man onstage. "

quote " Shawn Ray in a rout. He was better than ever. Any criticism is a stretch for a reporter to fill space. That such magnificence is litterally crushed by Yates is a sobering thought ."

Quote Flex Dec 1995

 " In 1994 , he ( Dorian ) was admittedly not at his best , but he was still the best bodybuilder onstage that day. No one not even runner-up Shawn Ray,disagreed with that stance on the night of Yates' threepeat. "


So there you have it , another day at the office for Yates and Shawn was lucky to place ahead of Levrone .

Dorian in 1994 is a an amalgam of parts that confuses me.  His back is supernatural; not as wide as today's top two guys, but striated and sliced.  If Ronnie would have had that condition this year, he would have won despite the lat discrepency.  However, his legs although ripped were kinda small and ill-shapen.  They look good from the side, but from a front on view they look like reverse pyramids.  Odd, yet still impressive.  What is most impressive is that his waist is still taut and ripped.  He is not in the condition he was a year earlier, but I did not note any distension.  He is not Haneyesque, so to speak, but nobody with that size has ever had as small a waist except Ronnie 1998/1999.  Regardless, I can see why he won.  However, an on Ronnie would destroy that condition without any doubt.  Problem is that Ronnie has not really been on for over a year.  This year, that version of Doz would have won the Mr. Olympia; Gutler would have cried standing next to him.
Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: Necrosis on October 21, 2006, 06:42:42 AM
Dorian in 1994 is a an amalgam of parts that confuses me.  His back is supernatural; not as wide as today's top two guys, but striated and sliced.  If Ronnie would have had that condition this year, he would have won despite the lat discrepency.  However, his legs although ripped were kinda small and ill-shapen.  They look good from the side, but from a front on view they look like reverse pyramids.  Odd, yet still impressive.  What is most impressive is that his waist is still taut and ripped.  He is not in the condition he was a year earlier, but I did not note any distension.  He is not Haneyesque, so to speak, but nobody with that size has ever had as small a waist except Ronnie 1998/1999.  Regardless, I can see why he won.  However, an on Ronnie would destroy that condition without any doubt.  Problem is that Ronnie has not really been on for over a year.  This year, that version of Doz would have won the Mr. Olympia; Gutler would have cried standing next to him.

really after watching that video im left with an unimpressed taste in my mouth. he doesn't look good at all, at least not for a mr olympia. on the other hand, the 99-00 ronnie had size and conditioning that was very impressive. i dont think doz is that great, show me a video that drops your jaw.
Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on October 21, 2006, 06:53:25 AM
really after watching that video im left with an unimpressed taste in my mouth. he doesn't look good at all, at least not for a mr olympia. on the other hand, the 99-00 ronnie had size and conditioning that was very impressive. i dont think doz is that great, show me a video that drops your jaw.

Watch the 1993 or 1995 Mr Olympia , if that doesn't drop your jaw than you're a fan of bodybuilding !
Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: The_Hammer on October 21, 2006, 06:57:26 AM
Can someone please post Yates 93 or 95 posing routines?
Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on October 21, 2006, 06:58:56 AM
Can someone please post Yates 93 or 95 posing routines?

No one has them online , in the " Best of Dorian Yates " there are a few quick clips but not the whole routine.
Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: the shadow on October 21, 2006, 07:02:27 AM
yate
Hulkster claimed this contest was the most controversial Mr Olympia since 1980  yet has nothing to back it up  with besides him find the worse picture of Yates and the best of Ray

For the ill-informed 1994 wasn't EVEN close , not on paper and not in reality , Shawn looked fantastic perhaps a career best but the last Mr Olympia who weighed close to 200lbs was Samir Bannout 11 years earlier and the trend was the winners were getting heavier , Haney 1984 was 230lbs by his lat Olympia win in 1991 he was 250lbs , Yates first win he was 242lbs and by his end he was 270lbs !

Dorian was off especially from 1993 but he wasn't Ronnie Coleman-2006-Olympia-off , he tore his bicep and quad a few weeks out and having a poor tan didn't help , Yates said he was fighting a stomach-bug at prejudging which caused his stomach to bloat but he rectified the situation at the night show and came in much tighter , he was 262lbs and shredded , here are some quotes from the contest

quote Flex Jan 1995 " Let it be recorded that in the immediate aftermath of the contest , none of his closest rivals even hinted that Yates did not deserve to win . "

quote Shawn Ray Flex Jan 1995 " Tonight I feel I got what I deserved "

quote Flex Jan 1995 " As Yates , Levrone and Ray stood onstage , the reiging champ ( cognizant of 1992 ) told Levrone " Looks like it's you and me again " Mr Olympia got it wrong , and the booing deciblel dwarfed that accorded the Dillet announcement as Kevin Levrone was called out in third "

quote Ironman Jan 1995 " Since he ( Ray ) was trailing Levrone by four points going into round 3 ( posing round ) Shawn was going to have to equal his showing of seven years ago ( Nationals win ) to have a chance of passing Levrone "

quote Ironman Jan 1995 " The battle was between Shawn and Kevin for second "

quote Ironman Jan 1995 former IFBB judge Roger Schwab " Yates is simply in another league. When he turns his back and flexes , he's the only man onstage. "

quote " Shawn Ray in a rout. He was better than ever. Any criticism is a stretch for a reporter to fill space. That such magnificence is litterally crushed by Yates is a sobering thought ."

Quote Flex Dec 1995

 " In 1994 , he ( Dorian ) was admittedly not at his best , but he was still the best bodybuilder onstage that day. No one not even runner-up Shawn Ray,disagreed with that stance on the night of Yates' threepeat. "


So there you have it , another day at the office for Yates and Shawn was lucky to place ahead of Levrone .
yates was one of the most grainiest bodybuilders in the world..in 1994 his sick condition was enough to beat any one fairly and there is no fuckin doubt that yates did not win deservingly.thats why my screen name is named after DORIAN'THE SHADOW'YATES..no doubt he is the best of the best
Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: TDK on October 21, 2006, 07:24:09 AM
yateyates was one of the most grainiest bodybuilders in the world..in 1994 his sick condition was enough to beat any one fairly and there is no fuckin doubt that yates did not win deservingly.thats why my screen name is named after DORIAN'THE SHADOW'YATES..no doubt he is the best of the best

Now hang on one damn second!!!

What about Jay Cutler?!!!  The best Mr Fucking OLYMPIA IN THE WORLD BIATTCCHHESSS AIIIGHT!!!

SUUUUUCKKKKEEEEEERRRRSS

Note:  I tried to do my best impression of you.  Was it good for you too?  ;)
Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: Hulkster on October 21, 2006, 07:52:21 AM
really after watching that video im left with an unimpressed taste in my mouth. he doesn't look good at all, at least not for a mr olympia. on the other hand, the 99-00 ronnie had size and conditioning that was very impressive. i dont think doz is that great, show me a video that drops your jaw.

agreed
Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: pumpster on October 21, 2006, 08:07:12 AM
Quote
Robbery and the Olympia go hand and hand.

Labrada beat Haney in 89 and 90.

Ray beat Yates in 94 and El Sonbaty beat him in 97.
Pithy
Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: the shadow on October 21, 2006, 08:07:28 AM
Now hang on one damn second!!!

What about Jay Cutler?!!!  The best Mr Fucking OLYMPIA IN THE WORLD BIATTCCHHESSS AIIIGHT!!!

SUUUUUCKKKKEEEEEERRRRSS

Note:  I tried to do my best impression of you.  Was it good for you too?  ;)
your absoluetly right man..yep it was good for me man..lol
Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: sarcasm on October 21, 2006, 08:12:18 AM
Dorian looked small beyond belief in that video, the arms, legs and chest were all terrible, the back was awesome though but Shawn should have wiped the floor with him.
Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: Fischputza on October 21, 2006, 08:34:50 AM
Dorian looked small beyond belief in that video, the arms, legs and chest were all terrible, the back was awesome though but Shawn should have wiped the floor with him.
bullshit!
the video is definitely resized - in the wrong format, that´s why everything looks just narrow.
watch the original video and you´ll comprehend.
Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: Hulkster on October 21, 2006, 08:37:59 AM
Dorian looked small beyond belief in that video, the arms, legs and chest were all terrible, the back was awesome though but Shawn should have wiped the floor with him.

exactly.

its amaziing how delusional all these yates fans are: the man had a great upper and lower back in the video (but piss poor arms when viewed from the  rear double biceps pose), wide, thick waist, causing his rear lat spread to look NOTHING like this:

(http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/1999britishgrandprix/50.jpg)


his arms look horrible from the front, and his quads, as usual, were not very good.

and yet people are cumming over him.

unbelievable.

the argument has even been made that this version of dorian, with poor pecs, arms, quads, taper, etc would have beaten this:

(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y223/dungeon1986/99%20grand%20prix/more%20pics/1999BritishGrandPrix_0070.jpg)
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y223/dungeon1986/99%20grand%20prix/more%20pics/1999BritishGrandPrix_0074.jpg)
(http://www.kulturistika.com/gallery/1115026840_157.jpg)
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y223/dungeon1986/99%20grand%20prix/more%20pics/1999BritishGrandPrix_2__0033.jpg)
(http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/1999britishgrandprix/41.jpg)
(http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/1999britishgrandprix/46.jpg)
how incredibly stupid ::).

Its also worth noting that for all the talk about dorian's "great" triceps and biceps, 1999 Ronnie's arms DESTROY dorian's arms in that condition in every way shape and form.



question: how many more shots and videos of dorian looking bad will have to be posted before the delusional masses finally get that he was nowhere near as good as peak ronnie?
Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: Hulkster on October 21, 2006, 08:43:21 AM

hahaha even Ronnie's much attacked triceps in 1999 were far better than dorian's in the 96 clip.

dorian had his moments, but for people to go on about how this 96 form was so amazing and would beat 99 Ronnie is simply retarded.

watch the clips.

view the pics.

oh, and ND: you comment about how all the pics of dorian are "bad quality" and make him look bad?

well guess what sport: the videos do not help your argument.

all his flaws look the same.

Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on October 21, 2006, 08:49:29 AM
exactly.

its amaziing how delusional all these yates fans are: the man had a great upper and lower back in the video (but piss poor arms when viewed from the  rear double biceps pose), wide, thick waist, causing his rear lat spread to look NOTHING like this:

]


his arms look horrible from the front, and his quads, as usual, were not very good.

and yet people are cumming over him.

unbelievable.

the argument has even been made that this version of dorian, with poor pecs, arms, quads, taper, etc would have beaten this:


how incredibly stupid ::).

Its also worth noting that for all the talk about dorian's "great" triceps and biceps, 1999 Ronnie's arms DESTROY dorian's arms in that condition in every way shape and form.



question: how many more shots and videos of dorian looking bad will have to be posted before the delusional masses finally get that he was nowhere near as good as peak ronnie?

Meltdown  ;)
Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: Hulkster on October 21, 2006, 08:53:46 AM
maybe so.

but everything I said and  showed is true to anyone with two good eyes
Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on October 21, 2006, 08:56:16 AM
maybe so.

but everything I said and  showed is true to anyone with two good eyes

Oh no maybes about it lol and I guess the judges 24 good eyes are trumped by Hulksters ? lol the facts & figures own you kid.
Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: Hulkster on October 21, 2006, 08:59:09 AM
what good are facts and figures when your eyes plainly tell you that Yates in 1996 would be crushed by 1999 Ronnie?
Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on October 21, 2006, 09:01:46 AM
what good are facts and figures when your eyes plainly tell you that Yates in 1996 would be crushed by 1999 Ronnie?

Who said anything about Yates 96? Yates 96 still hammers Ronnie in conditioning despite not being his personal best , his personal best Dorian is unstopable.
Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: Hulkster on October 21, 2006, 09:06:12 AM
someone with smooth arms and quads does not hammer this:

(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y223/dungeon1986/99%20grand%20prix/more%20pics/1999BritishGrandPrix_0070.jpg)
(http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/1999britishgrandprix/41.jpg)
in terms of conditioning ::)

Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on October 21, 2006, 09:09:09 AM
someone with smooth arms and quads does not hammer this:


in terms of conditioning ::)



Dorian always had better conditioning than Ronnie only the moronic would claim otherwise , hey wait who am I dealing with again?
Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: TDK on October 21, 2006, 09:09:18 AM
I think my thoughts on the Dorian/Ronnie debate are a little more honest and fair then some delusional people around here.

dorian was not as good as Ronnie size or shape wise.  His back was not as thick or wide as Ronnie's either.  Where Dorian shined was his density and overall muscularity.  You cannot see a roll of fat or water on him in those clips, not one tiny little roll.  His pec line, lower back and legs were all dense as granite.  Most people, including Ron hold a little water somewhere.  

Dorian's back had a totally different look to Ronnie's.  It was as if it was carved out of stone.  His lower back was so detailed and it has not been surpased condition wise since.  

Ronnie is a better overall BBer with better genetics, shape, size, symmetry (in his prime) but Doz had a look of stone that one has had before or since.  Even Munzer, although has more striations did not have as hard and dense appearance as Dorian.

Give them both credit where it is due.  They are both freaks and are both worthy of being up there with best albeit for differing reasons.
Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: Hulkster on October 21, 2006, 09:20:06 AM
Dorian always had better conditioning than Ronnie only the moronic would claim otherwise , hey wait who am I dealing with again?

(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=69359.0;attach=76821;image)
really? ::)

As these debates go on, your arguments are relying more and more on simple opnion rather than actual proof.

You seem to be basing things more on "well this guy said its true so it must be".

that is very weak compared to giving us proof using visuals.


and you most of the visuals do not support your arguments.

that is why you have to make up all these excuses, from "bad scans" to "bad lighting" to "compressed video" to ....

 ::)

you don't see the Ronnie side saying all that.

why?

because we know that visuals do not lie like you seem to claim that they do.

Ronnie at his peak was clearly better.

there is lots of real support for this.

not just words and numbers like you have to rely on.
Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on October 21, 2006, 09:21:31 AM
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=69359.0;attach=76821;image)
really? ::)

As these debates go on, your arguments are relying more and more on simple opnion rather than actual proof.

You seem to be basing things more on "well this guy said its true so it must be".

that is very weak compared to giving us proof using visuals.


and you most of the visuals do not support your arguments.

that is why you have to make up all these excuses, from "bad scans" to "bad lighting" to "compressed video" to ....

 ::)

you don't see the Ronnie side saying all that.

why?

because we know that visuals do not lie like you seem to claim that they do.

Ronnie at his peak was clearly better.

there is lots of real support for this.

not just words and numbers like you have to rely on.


Meltdown - part 2 lol

Dorian owns you ! and Ronnie 9 times.
Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: Hulkster on October 21, 2006, 09:22:56 AM
my meltdowns are well thought out aruments with many valid points.
Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on October 21, 2006, 09:29:03 AM
my meltdowns are well thought out aruments with many valid points.

You walked right into this one didn't you?

How well thought out was Dorian is the most overrated bodybuilder ever ? how well thought out was Flex Wheeler beat Dorian at the 1993 Mr Olympia ? how well thought out was Dorian's conditioning was a myth? how well thought out was 1994 was the most controversial Mr Olympia since 1980? How well thought was Matt Mendenhall was blocky? How well thought out Ronnie had better aesthetics than Matt Mendenhall? How well thought out was that Ronnie is one of the most aesthetic bodybuilders ? do I really need to continue? lol

man you make it so easy to own you.
Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: Your MAAAAaaaa on October 21, 2006, 09:44:06 AM
Hulkster and Pumpster to  a lesser extent are butchering any thread with Dorian mentioned in it with some inate need to ram home how good Ronnie was!!!

Why do you need to compare them and fucking say how Ronnie is better all the time in every thread!?? You ruin it and lack credibilty, it is such an issue for you guys who clearly have some kind of removed inferiority complex.

Discuss the subject not display Ronnie lust in every fucking post.

Someone mentioned a broken record in this thread, that is a great description for you two.

Pumpster has redeeming qualities training posts etc but you are both boring as fuck girls


ta ta
Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on October 21, 2006, 09:48:58 AM
Hulkster and Pumpster to  a lesser extent are butchering any thread with Dorian mentioned in it with some inate need to ram home how good Ronnie was!!!

Why do you need to compare them and fucking say how Ronnie is better all the time in every thread!?? You ruin it and lack credibilty, it is such an issue for you guys who clearly have some kind of removed inferiority complex.

Discuss the subject not display Ronnie lust in every fucking post.

Someone mentioned a broken record in this thread, that is a great description for you two.

Pumpster has redeeming qualities training posts etc but you are both boring as f**k girls


ta ta

Great post !
Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: Hulkster on October 21, 2006, 09:51:26 AM
Hulkster and Pumpster to  a lesser extent are butchering any thread with Dorian mentioned in it with some inate need to ram home how good Ronnie was!!!

Why do you need to compare them and fucking say how Ronnie is better all the time in every thread!?? You ruin it and lack credibilty, it is such an issue for you guys who clearly have some kind of removed inferiority complex.

Discuss the subject not display Ronnie lust in every fucking post.

Someone mentioned a broken record in this thread, that is a great description for you two.

Pumpster has redeeming qualities training posts etc but you are both boring as f**k girls


ta ta
'

must be a Yates fan :P
Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on October 21, 2006, 09:55:32 AM
'

must be a Yates fan :P

He makes a valid point while owning you in the process lol
Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: Your MAAAAaaaa on October 21, 2006, 10:09:44 AM
'

must be a Yates fan :P

I like Yates and I like Ronnie.


Both of their times have come and gone, maybe Ronnie could come back maybe.

But when I see you posting the lame shit constantly changing the direction of threads without fail it pisses me off that a subject sometimes cannot be discussed without you masterbating to Ronnie in it!!!


ta ta
Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: theonlyone on October 21, 2006, 10:21:27 AM
Shawn Ray never ever came close to to to to to beating Doryan Yates. Doryan Yates deservingly won all his o's.. the the the the
Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: Necrosis on October 21, 2006, 10:46:22 AM
dorian looked small as hell in the video when he won the olympia. show me were ronnie won an olympia looking that small. his fucking delts, arms, and legs look like an amatures seriously, the proof is in the pudding he isnt that great, the video proves it period. he looks like an utter pile of small shit, cant believe that was the pinicle on bodybuilding that year.
Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: Samourai Pizzacat on October 21, 2006, 11:18:31 AM
Hulkster and ND, please piss off! You have a 400+ page thread of rehashed drizzle of your own!  >:(
Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: knny187 on October 21, 2006, 11:21:31 AM
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Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: pobrecito on October 21, 2006, 11:42:51 AM
Dorian always looked his best a week after the Olympia,he had a chance to really fill out and his condition was still good.Here`s a couple of screencaps taken from when he guest posed at the British Champs in 94.

Dorian looks dense as fuck there! Do you have that video?
Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: cqfd on October 21, 2006, 11:54:30 AM
It's funny, cutler's recent physique makes dorian look aesthetic and athletic  ;D
And oh, coleman already had  a gut/cylindrical waist in 98/99. It may not really show on pics but on videos, it does.
Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: ANAL DISCHARGE on October 21, 2006, 11:58:22 AM
Hullkster's lack of any genuine confidence in his opinions is as pathetic as ever.  He still deems it necessary to post the same pictures over and over again.  Something in his life must be sorely lacking.

Dorian crushed Shawn Ray in 94 perhaps as overwhelmingly as he ever did.  Ray was perhaps closer to him in 92 and 95 irrespective of final placings - Dorian said as much himself about the 95 Olympia.
Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: brianX on October 21, 2006, 11:59:43 AM
shawn was fantastic, except for the long torso, narrow shoulders and short blocky legs.  ;D


Put the crack pipe down! >:(
Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: ANAL DISCHARGE on October 21, 2006, 12:16:39 PM
Delta's comments are pretty accurate.  Shawn did indeed have those faults - his legs never flowed and were just lumps, the torso was long (still is I imagine) and his front lat shot when compared to others clearly shows his narrow shoulders.  He looks great in most muscular and crunching type shots as well as some of the so-called aesthetic stuff and ppl can no doubt produce a million photo-shoot and studio shots showing him looking great, but onstage these failings came to the fore and he was always going to get beaten by a Yates, Haney or even Coleman in latter years.
Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: delta9mda on October 21, 2006, 01:30:37 PM
Put the crack pipe down! >:(
no crack here boy and i stopped the weed a few weeks ago. thank you for playing. and as i said, dont get me wrong, shawn was great but standing next to yates and he was crushed. personally wise i thought shawn was a dick as i witnessed him blow off a kid asking for an autograph at the 91 mr o, "sorry kid i gotta go and eat". but, this is a physic contest not personality. there you have it.
Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: Oblique on October 21, 2006, 08:51:49 PM
Even well known Yates butt boy Bob Wolff (a Yates guy almost on par with Peter McGough) admitted in Jan 95 Muscle and Fitness that Shawn won the 94 Olympia.

“Ray should’ve flown home with the Sandow.” – Bob Wolff
Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: pobrecito on October 21, 2006, 09:10:30 PM
Shawn Ray's backside was not as good as Yates and he carried 60lbs less muscle.

You can't win the Olympia without having the best back. Cutler beat Coleman from the back and that's how he won.
Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: Henda on October 21, 2006, 09:15:42 PM
hulkster is a fag he cannot see a thread with any other any bodybuilder without bringing ronnie up,get a life you sad homo bastard
Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: pobrecito on October 21, 2006, 09:23:18 PM
Dorian's density is unbelievable here.

(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=102480.0;attach=111618;image)

When are you going to put the video up :o
Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: Danny on October 22, 2006, 12:11:29 AM
Holy fukin  shit....look at those calves.... :o
Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: disco_stu on October 22, 2006, 02:01:55 AM
Robbery and the Olympia go hand and hand. ::)

Labrada beat Haney in 89 and 90.

Ray beat Yates in 94 and El Sonbaty beat him in 97.

im with you on the 89,90 and 97 calls...not so sure about the 94 call though, but i can see that it coulda went that way.
Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: crownshep on October 22, 2006, 03:25:56 AM
Dorian looks dense as f**k there! Do you have that video?

I taped it onto video off Sky Sports years ago,and then transferred it onto dvd and was able to take those screencaps,but i have no idea how to put the video on the net,at the moment my dvd player on my computer is playing up so i can`t even show any more screencaps.Sorry.
If i do manage to sort these problems out,then i`ll definitely put the video on youtube.
Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: The_Hammer on October 24, 2006, 12:20:31 AM
Holy Shit!  Somebody has to know where to find more pics of Dorian a week after the Olympia.  He looks fucking incredible in this shot.

(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=102480.0;attach=111618;image)
Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: Cleanest Natural on October 24, 2006, 12:37:51 AM
in my oppinnion dorian got beat in 94 fair and square by an in shape shawn ray...he was so ON. Shawn, you shod have been mr O ON AT LEAST ONE OTHER OCASION
Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: Bear on October 24, 2006, 02:41:31 AM
you obviously have reading comprehension problems.

You are worthless. You have not made 1 intelligent contribution to the truce thread whatsoever. However, you have been owned so many times I'm surprised you keep coming back for more.

haha

you're gay
Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: rayisnumerouno on October 24, 2006, 04:42:27 AM
Dorian was a unique and obviously great bodybuilder but when one can lend an objective eye to watching that video (with a knowledge of what the other competitors looked like that year), it is impossible IMO to say her should have won.  Both his arms and legs were "small" overall when compared to the size of his torso.  He couldn't even flex his left arm which looked like an amateurs.  He did have a very reasonable waist line, a great back, and great calves but the weakness of his pecs, arms, and legs in judging in an unbiased manner should have prevented him from winning.  BTW I'm not one that subscribes to the theory of "if a guy is the biggest/has the most mass and is in shape then he should win" (and that goes for Ronnie & Jay too)  bodybuilding is about more than that to me... and 1994 was not Dorian's year.
Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: Hulkster on October 24, 2006, 08:32:42 AM
Dorian was a unique and obviously great bodybuilder but when one can lend an objective eye to watching that video (with a knowledge of what the other competitors looked like that year), it is impossible IMO to say her should have won.  Both his arms and legs were "small" overall when compared to the size of his torso.  He couldn't even flex his left arm which looked like an amateurs.  He did have a very reasonable waist line, a great back, and great calves but the weakness of his pecs, arms, and legs in judging in an unbiased manner should have prevented him from winning.  BTW I'm not one that subscribes to the theory of "if a guy is the biggest/has the most mass and is in shape then he should win" (and that goes for Ronnie & Jay too)  bodybuilding is about more than that to me... and 1994 was not Dorian's year.

exactly. Well said.

this is what everyone has been saying.

Yet, some, like ND refuse to believe it and insist that their version of reality is the correct one ::)
Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: pumpster on October 24, 2006, 01:28:31 PM
Yates is dense in that shot, looks good. A shame it's largely squandered by glaring flaws, including amateur-level arms. As a result, despite the pros he deserved to lose a few times to others who were more deserving, who now aren't looked at in the same way. Thank Weider politics for that, politics that some here keep pretending don't exist.. :o
Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: pumpster on October 24, 2006, 01:29:24 PM
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Both his arms and legs were "small" overall when compared to the size of his torso.  He couldn't even flex his left arm which looked like an amateurs.  He did have a very reasonable waist line, a great back, and great calves but the weakness of his pecs, arms, and legs in judging in an unbiased manner should have prevented him from winning.
Pithy.
Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: knny187 on October 24, 2006, 01:42:18 PM
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=102480.0;attach=112545;image)

Momo pwned Dorian here
Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: Cold on October 24, 2006, 01:44:47 PM
Uh that year I would have given it to Shawn. Superior physique.
Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: Grape Ape on October 24, 2006, 02:00:34 PM
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=102480.0;attach=112545;image)

Momo pwned Dorian here

Where is this pic from?  It looks like it could be Yates' first NOC where Benaziza won.

As to the Dillet comparison, any advantages from the front were destroyed from the back.
Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: Hulkster on October 24, 2006, 02:06:49 PM
Where is this pic from.  It looks like it could be Yates' first NOC where Benaziza won.

it was yates' first olympia win :-\

(http://www.body-building.ru/forums/uploads/post-2-1128437285.jpg)
Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: knny187 on October 24, 2006, 02:09:27 PM
it was yates' first olympia win :-\



There's Vince with the ole eye patch
Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: Hulkster on October 24, 2006, 02:14:18 PM
yup. its a shame. Had Vince shown up looking like he did at the ironman and Arnold Classic that year, it is likely he would have beaten Yates that year:

(http://body.builder.hu/imagebank/pictures/977825448.jpg)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=69359.0;attach=87254;image)
ironman vince vs. olympia 92 yates.

don't forget: Vince was no slouch in the back department at the time.
Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: knny187 on October 24, 2006, 02:17:12 PM
If I'm not mistaken....Shawn Ray had something to say about believing Vince about the eye incident
Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on October 24, 2006, 02:17:12 PM
yup. its a shame. Had Vince shown up looking like he did at the ironman and Arnold Classic that year, it is likely he would have beaten Yates that year:


don't forget: Vince was no slouch in the back department at the time.

Oh jesus here we go again lol Vince wasn't going to beat Yates not by a long shot , Vince competed at 210lbs he wasn't big enough to match Yates for size & conditioning .
Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: pumpster on October 24, 2006, 03:10:48 PM
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Oh jesus here we go again lol Vince wasn't going to beat Yates not by a long shot , Vince competed at 210lbs he wasn't big enough to match Yates for size & conditioning .
What a coincidence that this sentiment is right out of Flex.
Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: Hulkster on October 24, 2006, 04:11:05 PM
yup, dorian said that Vince Taylor was basically the reason that he "overdieted" and came in a little flat in 92, while in 93 he did not go for conditioning at the expense of size.

he came in bigger in 93, but not has hard at least in the lower back and midsection.

Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on October 24, 2006, 04:41:11 PM
yup, dorian said that Vince Taylor was basically the reason that he "overdieted" and came in a little flat in 92, while in 93 he did not go for conditioning at the expense of size.

he came in bigger in 93, but not has hard at least in the lower back and midsection.



Wrong . he chose to come in lighter due to the smaller guys like Ray , Levrone and Labrada and Taylor ! and he was a LOT bigger in 93 and had the exact same conditioning as 92 , kid you really need to learn about bodybuilding because your knowlege is weak.
Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: Jr. Yates on October 24, 2006, 04:43:09 PM
Wrong . he chose to come in lighter due to the smaller guys like Ray , Levrone and Labrada and Taylor ! and he was a LOT bigger in 93 and had the exact same conditioning as 92 ,
I think this is correct.
Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: Alex23 on October 24, 2006, 05:05:49 PM
yup, dorian said that Vince Taylor was basically the reason that he "overdieted" and came in a little flat in 92, while in 93 he did not go for conditioning at the expense of size.
he came in bigger in 93, but not has hard at least in the lower back and midsection.

Oh Brother...  Hulkster, the Dorian dellusion is embarrassing to look at...  ::)
Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: Hulkster on October 24, 2006, 05:17:04 PM
Wrong . he chose to come in lighter due to the smaller guys like Ray , Levrone and Labrada and Taylor ! and he was a LOT bigger in 93 and had the exact same conditioning as 92 , kid you really need to learn about bodybuilding because your knowlege is weak.

that is exactly what I said moron!

He came in lighter to go for conditioning rather than size because of mainly Taylor (and Ray) in 1992

its right out of flex mag.

oh, and in 1993 he had a supergut standing in the symmetry round compared to 1992.

you, my friend, are a retard.
Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: Hulkster on October 24, 2006, 05:20:39 PM
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=69359.0;attach=87254;image)
(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/yates/dy183.jpg)
92 vs. 93 conditioning.

notice: 92 has more definition in the abs. Arms and quads as smooth as ever...

ND, you are such a tool.

you are very easy to prove wrong.
Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: Hulkster on October 24, 2006, 05:25:09 PM
Oh Brother...  Hulkster, the Dorian dellusion is embarrassing to look at...  ::)

(http://digilander.libero.it/mrolympia2/dy26.jpg)
tell me about it.. :-\
Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on October 24, 2006, 05:53:56 PM
that is exactly what I said moron!

He came in lighter to go for conditioning rather than size because of mainly Taylor (and Ray) in 1992

its right out of flex mag.

oh, and in 1993 he had a supergut standing in the symmetry round compared to 1992.

you, my friend, are a retard.

Kid listen to me , Vince Taylor wasn't a thread to Yates , he wasn't a threat to Haney , Shawn Ray & Lee Labrada were Dorians ' threats ' for the 1992 Mr Olympia and they were going to be super sharp so Yates desided NOT to take any chances and come in shredded , I have his book and I have Flex's magazines coverage of the contest !

and he didn't have a ' super gut ' clueless he had thicker obliques because he was 15lbs heavier , if you need refference to a gut see Ronnie Coleman at the 2001 ASC
Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on October 24, 2006, 05:56:39 PM
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=69359.0;attach=87254;image)
(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/yates/dy183.jpg)
92 vs. 93 conditioning.

notice: 92 has more definition in the abs. Arms and quads as smooth as ever...

ND, you are such a tool.

you are very easy to prove wrong.

Wow another accurate comparision  ::) idiot its two differnt pictures and ones black & white for christs sake !! I have every single magazine coverage from 1993 Mr Olympia and ALL said he dumbfounded how he could come in 15lbs heavier with THE EXACT SAME CONDITIONING , Hulkster you still have a long way to go before you learn anything.
Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on October 24, 2006, 05:57:43 PM
(http://digilander.libero.it/mrolympia2/dy26.jpg)
tell me about it.. :-\

Same contest , Ronnie wishes he had this combo  ;)
Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: Hulkster on October 24, 2006, 05:59:58 PM
Wow another accurate comparision  ::) idiot its two differnt pictures and ones black & white for christs sake !! I have every single magazine coverage from 1993 Mr Olympia and ALL said he dumbfounded how he could come in 15lbs heavier with THE EXACT SAME CONDITIONING , Hulkster you still have a long way to go before you learn anything.


and, you, ND, have a long way to go before most people will agree with what you say most of the time..

ps you should not be the one complaining about black and white comparisons.

they are your ace in the hole for making your hero look good.

he never looks as grainy in colour.
Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: jwb on October 24, 2006, 06:02:40 PM
Hulkster, did you ever see yates in person in contest shape brother?
Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on October 24, 2006, 06:04:22 PM

and, you, ND, have a long way to go before most people will agree with what you say most of the time..

ps you should not be the one complaining about black and white comparisons.

they are your ace in the hole for making your hero look good.

he never looks as grainy in colour.

Again I don't need the majority of the uninformed to agree with me thats your hang up , the judges agreed with me and thats all that matters  ;) and I'm not complaining its two seperate photos and he has the same conditioning in both photos you're just not that bright to comprehend that .

Anyway you keep posting that pic from 1995 acting like its bad lol Yates owned everyone in 95 it was like 1993 all over again everyone just got demoralized it wasn't even close !
Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: Hulkster on October 24, 2006, 06:04:46 PM
Hulkster, did you ever see yates in person in contest shape brother?

no, and neither has ND.

Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on October 24, 2006, 06:05:09 PM
Hulkster, did you ever see yates in person in contest shape brother?

He's seen Nimrod Kings calves lol
Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on October 24, 2006, 06:06:07 PM
no, and neither has ND.



Ah but I'm not claiming he was the most overrated bodybuilder of all time  ;) you internet fan boi
Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: jwb on October 24, 2006, 06:11:34 PM
no, and neither has ND.


you had to BE there to appreciate the level he was on...

forget certain bodyparts being weaker or less than perfect structure- every pro is in that situation in some way - even flex and shawn were too narrow and too short respectively to beat him.

the other thing is, which this 94 video shows, is that he was way better in MOTION than in stills. He knew how to hide his problems and posed accordingly.

smartest bodybuilder of the modern era...
Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on October 24, 2006, 06:14:59 PM
you had to BE there to appreciate the level he was on...

forget certain bodyparts being weaker or less than perfect structure- every pro is in that situation in some way - even flex and shawn were too narrow and too short respectively to beat him.

the other thing is, which this 94 video shows, is that he was way better in MOTION than in stills. He knew how to hide his problems and posed accordingly.

smartest bodybuilder of the modern era...

According to Hulkster he is the most overrated bodybuilder of all time !! lol
Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: Hulkster on October 24, 2006, 06:15:40 PM
He's seen Nimrod Kings calves lol

Nimrod was badass during his day.

he actually won a grand prix pro show in 1989

(http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/nimrodking1.jpg)
Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: jwb on October 24, 2006, 06:18:10 PM
According to Hulkster he is the most overrated bodybuilder of all time !! lol
Dorian changed everything... whether that ended up being a good thing is open to debate
Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: Hulkster on October 24, 2006, 06:18:37 PM
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you had to BE there to appreciate the level he was on...

you can say this about every single pro.

that being the case, can you imagine What Ronnie 1999 must have looked like up close:

(http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/ronniecolemanclips-pictures/19.jpg)
it must have been unreal. a level above dorian 8)
Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on October 24, 2006, 06:21:39 PM
Dorian changed everything... whether that ended up being a good thing is open to debate

Oh I agree but only the flooish deny his greatness .
Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: jwb on October 24, 2006, 06:27:56 PM
you can say this about every single pro.

that being the case, can you imagine What Ronnie 1999 must have looked like up close:

(http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/ronniecolemanclips-pictures/19.jpg)
it must have been unreal. a level above dorian 8)
some pros look worse in person IMO.

ronnie looked awesome in that lighting at the 1999 english grand prix and he is an awesome bodybuilder but yates, at his absolute best circa 93 or 95 would have looked INSANE in those lighting conditions believe me...
Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on October 24, 2006, 06:32:23 PM
some pros look worse in person IMO.

ronnie looked awesome in that lighting at the 1999 english grand prix and he is an awesome bodybuilder but yates, at his absolute best circa 93 or 95 would have looked INSANE in those lighting conditions believe me...

Hey some one who gets it !! I told Hulkster that 99 Grand Prix was an in shape Ronnie with extremely great lighting but he seems to think thats the best anyones ever looked in any contest in the history of the sport , you try and talk some sense into the kid but he's thick ! and Ronnie has the advantage of naturally darker skin  and Dorian has naturally fair skin , so unless Dorian is seen in person his detail can appear washed out in pictures & video.
Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: jwb on October 24, 2006, 06:42:57 PM
Hey some one who gets it !! I told Hulkster that 99 Grand Prix was an in shape Ronnie with extremely great lighting but he seems to think thats the best anyones ever looked in any contest in the history of the sport , you try and talk some sense into the kid but he's thick ! and Ronnie has the advantage of naturally darker skin  and Dorian has naturally fair skin , so unless Dorian is seen in person his detail can appear washed out in pictures & video.
a good example is the 88 british amateur titles where yates blew everyone away and got his pro card at about 220-225lbs.

the lighting was pretty similar to the 99 britsh pro and yates looked crazy hard... it is on the beginning of blood and guts for the doubters.

now, yates at 257 five years later in even harder shape - read better and more drugs helping out here too - would have looked spastic in that the lighting...
Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: Hulkster on October 24, 2006, 06:50:45 PM
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at his absolute best circa 93 or 95 would have looked INSANE in those lighting conditions believe me...

no, it would have been the exact opposite:

(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y223/dungeon1986/99%20grand%20prix/more%20pics/1999BritishGrandPrix_0070.jpg)(http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/1999britishgrandprix/67.jpg)
compare kevin and Ronnie in these shots.

Ronnie is more impressive because his natural muscle shape and detail looks better under the fantastic lighting than someone with less shape and detail.

Yates would have run into the same problem as Kevin..

the same of course, applies to ANY lighting, but the grand prix lighting being probably the greatest lit contest ever, makes this effect even more pronounced.

Sometimes, you have to look deeper into things.

what appears to be obvious is not always the case.
Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: Hulkster on October 24, 2006, 06:53:24 PM
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so unless Dorian is seen in person his detail can appear washed out in pictures & video.
no amount or lack of lighting will make these arms appear detailed:

(http://www.musclememory.com/magCovers/im/im5401.jpg)
they look the same in every pic..


Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: Hulkster on October 24, 2006, 06:55:51 PM
I do think however, that dorian's superb lower back would have looked insane under the 99 grand prix lighting.
Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: Necrosis on October 24, 2006, 07:01:19 PM
dorian looks small as shit in that video stop kidding yourselves, his arms,quads along with delts and chest look like shit. his back isnt even that great, in the avatars knny posted his lat spread sucks, shawn back was more detailed.
Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: jwb on October 24, 2006, 07:03:58 PM
no, it would have been the exact opposite:

(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y223/dungeon1986/99%20grand%20prix/more%20pics/1999BritishGrandPrix_0070.jpg)(http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/1999britishgrandprix/67.jpg)
compare kevin and Ronnie in these shots.

Ronnie is more impressive because his natural muscle shape and detail looks better under the fantastic lighting than someone with less shape and detail.

Yates would have run into the same problem as Kevin..

the same of course, applies to ANY lighting, but the grand prix lighting being probably the greatest lit contest ever, makes this effect even more pronounced.

Sometimes, you have to look deeper into things.

what appears to be obvious is not always the case.
you're talking about pictures i'm talking about in person dude... in person yates would have looked great in that contest.

would he have beaten ronnie that day in his 1993 shape?  dunno, but I would have paid $1000 plus to witness that showdown
Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: Hulkster on October 24, 2006, 07:19:20 PM
this keeps coming up:

people say Yates doesn't look that great in the pictures but he looks fantastic in person.

but what is never acknowledged is what does this tell us about how the guys who look fantastic in the pics would look live and in person?

The fact that they would look even better is swept under the carpet and ignored...

Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: jwb on October 24, 2006, 07:31:19 PM
this keeps coming up:

people say Yates doesn't look that great in the pictures but he looks fantastic in person.

but what is never acknowledged is what does this tell us about how the guys who look fantastic in the pics would look live and in person?

The fact that they would look even better is swept under the carpet and ignored...


isn't always the case... levrone to me looked better in pics than when I saw him live in a contest... he looked a lot thicker in pictures to me

with yates it is a skin issue because of his complexion...
Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: sculpture on October 25, 2006, 01:03:55 AM
isn't always the case... levrone to me looked better in pics than when I saw him live in a contest... he looked a lot thicker in pictures to me

with yates it is a skin issue because of his complexion...

Utter doggerel.

The suggestion that one pro may look better in person than in pics and another who looks great in pics and not so great in person is just a pathetic attempt at the defence of bodybuilder 1 who looks like garbage in pics most of the time compared to bodybuilder 2.

"You had to see dorian in person to appreciate how great he was"

Fair statement until its put in the context that this "rule" only applies to dorian and no other bodybuilder.

Piss off with this dogshit
Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on October 25, 2006, 01:36:23 AM
Utter doggerel.

The suggestion that one pro may look better in person than in pics and another who looks great in pics and not so great in person is just a pathetic attempt at the defence of bodybuilder 1 who looks like garbage in pics most of the time compared to bodybuilder 2.

"You had to see dorian in person to appreciate how great he was"

Fair statement until its put in the context that this "rule" only applies to dorian and no other bodybuilder.

Piss off with this dogshit

Meltdown lol
Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: pumpster on October 25, 2006, 01:38:15 AM
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isn't always the case... levrone to me looked better in pics than when I saw him live in a contest... he looked a lot thicker in pictures to me
That only applies when it's close.  ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: sculpture on October 25, 2006, 02:13:29 AM
Meltdown lol

Truth hurts huh ND?  ;D

Is that the best response you can muster?
Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: jwb on October 25, 2006, 02:40:07 AM
That only applies when it's close.  ::) ::) ::)
you've proven me right with these pics dude...

kev looks amazing in these two arms down shots as always. In person as soon as he raises his arms or stand straight on from the rear he looks a lot skinnier because of his torso length and lack of depth to his back compared to yates...
Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: suckmymuscle on October 25, 2006, 08:58:05 AM
no, it would have been the exact opposite:

(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y223/dungeon1986/99%20grand%20prix/more%20pics/1999BritishGrandPrix_0070.jpg)(http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/1999britishgrandprix/67.jpg)
compare kevin and Ronnie in these shots.

Ronnie is more impressive because his natural muscle shape and detail looks better under the fantastic lighting than someone with less shape and detail.

  First of all, shape is subjective, and there's no logical reason to assume that "shape" is somehow enhanced by lightning. The way the light reflects on the skin does not  alter your shape. It does show-case the shape you already have more, and it would also for Dorian. But since shape is subjective, what difference does it make in this case: it will be show-casing Ronnie's shape more, but so would it Dorian's! Now, the lightining does affect the way your muscles appear. Yet, separations is only one of the things enhanced by lightining; the hardness also is. There is no question that Dorian's superior density would appear even "stonier" under does lightinings. Would he show more separations? Only to the same extent that the lightning also enhances Ronnie's separations. So Ronnie has no specific advantage here - he would show more separations, but so would Dorian, so there would be no greater advantage in separations for Ronnie. Now, would Dorian show even more "tightness" to his muscles? Most definitely! ;)

SUCKMYMUSCLE





Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on October 25, 2006, 10:40:44 AM
Truth hurts huh ND?  ;D

Is that the best response you can muster?

I could overuse the word " doggerel " like you lol  ;)
Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: pumpster on October 25, 2006, 10:47:33 AM
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I could overuse the word " doggerel " like you lol
Great comeback.  ???
Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on October 25, 2006, 10:48:59 AM
Great comeback.  ???

Go back to posting 94/97 pics  ;)
Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: sculpture on October 25, 2006, 12:40:19 PM
Doggerel > "lol"  ;)
Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on October 25, 2006, 02:47:34 PM
Doggerel > "lol"  ;)

94 Dorian > Shawn  ;)
Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: sculpture on October 25, 2006, 02:53:12 PM
94 Dorian > Shawn  ;)

Don't believe i've asserted shawn deserved to beat dorian that year, yet!  ;)
Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on October 25, 2006, 03:00:48 PM
Don't believe i've asserted shawn deserved to beat dorian that year, yet!  ;)

That shows how much I pay attention to your posts  :-\ oh well.
Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: pumpster on October 25, 2006, 03:04:37 PM
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That shows how much I pay attention to your posts   oh well.
To hell with reality.  ;D
Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on October 25, 2006, 03:06:51 PM
To hell with reality.  ;D

I'm sure you said that years ago lol
Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: Hulkster on October 25, 2006, 03:17:42 PM
Utter doggerel.

The suggestion that one pro may look better in person than in pics and another who looks great in pics and not so great in person is just a pathetic attempt at the defence of bodybuilder 1 who looks like garbage in pics most of the time compared to bodybuilder 2.

"You had to see dorian in person to appreciate how great he was"

Fair statement until its put in the context that this "rule" only applies to dorian and no other bodybuilder.

Piss off with this dogshit
excellent post.

good to see that ND cannot come up with a reasonable rebuttal for it.

just verifies what we already know: ND has no clue 8)
Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on October 25, 2006, 03:22:04 PM
excellent post.

good to see that ND cannot come up with a reasonable rebuttal for it.

just verifies what we already know: ND has no clue 8)

I don't have anything to rebutt I'm in the positive I'm not claiming contrary to the judges that Yates didn't look good compared to his contemporaries you are , I'm ahead of the game.
Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: sculpture on October 25, 2006, 03:41:55 PM
I don't have anything to rebutt I'm in the positive I'm not claiming contrary to the judges that Yates didn't look good compared to his contemporaries you are , I'm ahead of the game.

But whats your opinion on the oft asserted "phenomena" that pics don't do dorian justice (yet they do ronnie and everyone else), and that you had to see him in person to truly appreciate him (unlike others where photos tell the whole story).

We all eagerly await your answer.  ;)
Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: Hulkster on October 25, 2006, 03:44:25 PM
But whats your opinion on the oft asserted "phenomena" that pics don't do dorian justice (yet they do ronnie and everyone else), and that you had to see him in person to truly appreciate him (unlike others where photos tell the whole story).

We all eagerly await your answer.  ;)

Here is ND's answer:

LOL

I own you

get with the program kid

You are an internet fan boy

Dorian scored 5.67 in each round of 23.3 contests, That's a 93.2343 (repeating) winning percentage!

Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: pumpster on October 25, 2006, 03:44:47 PM
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I don't have anything to rebutt I'm in the positive I'm not claiming contrary to the judges that Yates didn't look good compared to his contemporaries you are , I'm ahead of the game.
Meaningless babbling.
Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on October 25, 2006, 03:49:27 PM
But whats your opinion on the oft asserted "phenomena" that pics don't do dorian justice (yet they do ronnie and everyone else), and that you had to see him in person to truly appreciate him (unlike others where photos tell the whole story).

We all eagerly await your answer.  ;)

These are firsthand accounts of people who saw Yates only in pictures and video and all have asserted neother do him justice , he must be seen in person to full comprehend what he looks like , and I never said that the same wouldn't apply to Ronnie , but it thats the consensus about Yates

People tend to downplay this but Dorian has fair skin and harsh lighting can wash out his detail in a lot of pictures and video , these details can be seen much better live and in person.
Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: sculpture on October 25, 2006, 03:55:32 PM
These are firsthand accounts of people who saw Yates only in pictures and video and all have asserted neother do him justice , he must be seen in person to full comprehend what he looks like , and I never said that the same wouldn't apply to Ronnie , but it thats the consensus about Yates

People tend to downplay this but Dorian has fair skin and harsh lighting can wash out his detail in a lot of pictures and video , these details can be seen much better live and in person.

Hmmmm, yet the detail is fully evident in his lower back yet mysteriously absent from his arms and quads.

What? Certain bodyparts aren't given justice by photos?

Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: jwb on October 25, 2006, 03:58:47 PM
Hmmmm, yet the detail is fully evident in his lower back yet mysteriously absent from his arms and quads.

What? Certain bodyparts aren't given justice by photos?


the lower back looked even better in person thats how good it was. it was crazy...
Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: pumpster on October 25, 2006, 04:00:58 PM
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Here is ND's answer:

LOL

I own you

get with the program kid

You are an internet fan boy

Dorian scored 5.67 in each round of 23.3 contests, That's a 93.2343 (repeating) winning percentage!
ND can cut and paste these. ;D
Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: Hulkster on October 25, 2006, 04:35:27 PM
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these details can be seen much better live and in person.

what, from the 45th row?

give me a break.

smooth is smooth whether its on camera, on video, in person, on the moon,  or whatever.

Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on October 25, 2006, 04:38:06 PM
what, from the 45th row?

give me a break.

smooth is smooth whether its on camera, on video, in person, on the moon,  or whatever.



Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha !! Yates owns you !@!
Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: jwb on October 25, 2006, 04:41:08 PM
I'd like someone to explain to me how dorian had smooth arms and quads?

He genetically didn't have cross striations in these areas - yet he did in the back, hams and calves - but that doesn't equate to smooth and lack of detail...
Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on October 25, 2006, 04:44:29 PM
I'd like someone to explain to me how dorian had smooth arms and quads?

He genetically didn't have cross striations in these areas - yet he did in the back, hams and calves - but that doesn't equate to smooth and lack of detail...

He doesn't ! thats Hulkster's way of trying to bring Yates down and it failed , I owned him many posts ago that whe he types ' smooth ' it implies carrying excess water and Dorian was never smooth , that was one of Dorian's trademarks is insane dryness at high bodyweights
Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: Hulkster on October 25, 2006, 04:46:46 PM
I'd like someone to explain to me how dorian had smooth arms and quads?

He genetically didn't have cross striations in these areas - yet he did in the back, hams and calves - but that doesn't equate to smooth and lack of detail...

look at any pic and any video:

(http://digilander.libero.it/mrolympia2/dy26.jpg)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=69359.0;attach=87254;image)
(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/yates/dy183.jpg)
(http://www.musclememory.com/magCovers/fl/fl1311.jpg)

convienient of ND to post a croped shot of yates NOT showing his quads...

The arms and quads are MAJOR muscle groups. These flaws are one of the main reasons why I feel Yates was overrated (that and his shape, taper and detail 8))
Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: Hulkster on October 25, 2006, 04:52:33 PM
ND thinks dorian's quads and arms are detailed because he never compares Dorian to anyone else.

as soon as you do, then you begin to realize how deficient he was in these areas:

(http://www.body-building.ru/forums/uploads/post-2-1128437285.jpg)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=74007.0;attach=81161;image)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?PHPSESSID=0276dea3dd5703b7ca1d3b09c1aa07f8&action=dlattach;topic=69359.0;attach=77821;image)
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y223/dungeon1986/99%20grand%20prix/more%20pics/1999BritishGrandPrix_0070.jpg)
Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: jwb on October 25, 2006, 04:55:59 PM
hulkie,

you can clearly see each head of his quads - including the partial tear to his left quad - in all those pics.

same with the arms - you can clearly see the individual muscles of the arms and forearms - the brachialis, brachioradialis etc.

his legs look harder than nasser in the bottom one too...

also, how the hell did yates not have a great taper?
Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: jwb on October 25, 2006, 04:57:54 PM
your top pic clearly shows that yates had the most defined and developed sartorious muscle on the 1992 olympia stage...
Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on October 25, 2006, 05:01:00 PM
look at any pic and any video:



convienient of ND to post a croped shot of yates NOT showing his quads...

The arms and quads are MAJOR muscle groups. These flaws are one of the main reasons why I feel Yates was overrated (that and his shape, taper and detail 8))

Not cropped sport thats how it sits in the magazine  ;) I can ONW you again if you like?? and again you keep posting a pic from 1995 and claim thats why he's overrated you couldn't be any more dense , that was among his best ever !! Hulksterism " he's so bad because he's so great " that is an oxymoron

A few quote to silence your stupidity

Bill Dobbins on Dorian 1995 " I have NEVER seen such muscle development on a human being. The other guys sit backstage talking about wheather they should get big or get cut. What they need to do is get like Dorian. "


" Dorian Yates skin like tissue paper. In crucial front double-biceps shot , the left bicep is short , but not fatally so. Traps look as if they have the capacity to render him deaf, Back , upper and lower , is sensational in every respect: width , thickness and detail. Side triceps pose is a masterpiece that he's made into a Broadway production number. Thighs have more sweep than before. Calves? Yates wrote the book on calves. In muscle thickness , he's in a class of his own. Today combination of size , proportion , SHAPE and condition makes this his peak form.


Hulkster 1995 Yates crushed eveyone by far.
Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: jwb on October 25, 2006, 05:01:24 PM
these are smooth legs...
Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: pumpster on October 25, 2006, 05:02:43 PM
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your top pic clearly shows that yates had the most defined and developed sartorious muscle on the 1992 olympia stage...
Then why does he lose most of the time standing beside anyone good? :-\
Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: delta9mda on October 25, 2006, 05:02:53 PM
These are firsthand accounts of people who saw Yates only in pictures and video and all have asserted neother do him justice , he must be seen in person to full comprehend what he looks like , and I never said that the same wouldn't apply to Ronnie , but it thats the consensus about Yates

People tend to downplay this but Dorian has fair skin and harsh lighting can wash out his detail in a lot of pictures and video , these details can be seen much better live and in person.
ok, how many times do i have to say it? i was at the 91 and 95 olympias, and the whole "looks better in pics" things holds true. of course i never saw those years pics of yates till after i saw him live and.....the pics just do not show how  hard and dense he was. take it or leave it im talking from first hand experiance (from being there and talking to the competitors up close after the show). yates just seemed carved out of granite, nasser while huge didnt have the hardness(shook his hand, talked to him for a few minutes at the breakfast and he was in nowhere near the condition of yates). again, from the second they walked on stage it was not close, kinda like 03 with ronnie. "whacha gonna do brother"?
Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on October 25, 2006, 05:03:39 PM
your top pic clearly shows that yates had the most defined and developed sartorious muscle on the 1992 olympia stage...

This is where Hulkster ignores that , Dorian's upper quads didn't have the great seperation of Arnold ot Samir Bannout , however at his best his quads kick ass !! his satorious much better seperated and defined than Ronnie but his legs are smooth lol this kid needs to learn
Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: delta9mda on October 25, 2006, 05:04:48 PM
what, from the 45th row?

give me a break.

smooth is smooth whether its on camera, on video, in person, on the moon,  or whatever.


not from the 45th, i snuck down the isle for pics and was actually sitting next to betty weider who was sitting right behind the judges.
Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on October 25, 2006, 05:06:14 PM
Then why does he lose most of the time standing beside anyone good? :-\

The front double biceps was never Dorian's best shot , however thats NOT the only mandatory pose . and Yates simply owns most of them comapred to almost everyone , front & rear latspreads , side chest , abdominal and thigh , back double biceps Dorian owned them all in most of his contests , this isn't debateable , its a fact .
Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: jwb on October 25, 2006, 05:09:45 PM
The front double biceps was never Dorian's best shot , however thats NOT the only mandatory pose . and Yates simply owns most of them comapred to almost everyone , front & rear latspreads , side chest , abdominal and thigh , back double biceps Dorian owned them all in most of his contests , this isn't debateable , its a fact .
yates performed it well though and turned it into more of a back pose than an arm pose...

dorian was technically a very very good mandatory poser... he made the judges job easy in this round
Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on October 25, 2006, 05:12:46 PM
yates performed it well though and turned it into more of a back pose than an arm pose...

dorian was technically a very very good mandatory poser... he made the judges job easy in this round

Very true , he knew how to effectively pose which is among the many reasons dispite not having as good a taper Ronnie looks much better in the front latspread .
Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: pumpster on October 25, 2006, 05:13:08 PM
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how many times do i have to say it? i was at the 91 and 95 olympias, and the whole "looks better in pics" things holds true. of course i never saw those years pics of yates till after i saw him live and.....the pics just do not show how  hard and dense he was. take it or leave it im talking from first hand experiance (from being there and talking to the competitors up close after the show). yates just seemed carved out of granite, nasser while huge didnt have the hardness(shook his hand, talked to him for a few minutes at the breakfast and he was in nowhere near the condition of yates). again, from the second they walked on stage it was not close, kinda like 03 with ronnie. "whacha gonna do brother"?
Unless you also saw Coleman in similar circumstances that's interesting but only half a loaf.  ;D

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Quote from: pumpster on Today at 08:02:43 PM
Then why does he lose most of the time standing beside anyone good?


The front double biceps was never Dorian's best shot
No kidding. Yates has about 4 "good" shots that hide the problems.


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yates performed it well though and turned it into more of a back pose than an arm pose...
He had to. Dorian "no bis" Yates didn't have much of a choice.
Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: jwb on October 25, 2006, 05:18:09 PM
Very true , he knew how to effectively pose which is among the many reasons dispite not having as good a taper Ronnie looks much better in the front latspread .
ronnie's front lat spread is a disaster zone from a technical standpoint. It COULD look unbelievable!
Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: Hulkster on October 25, 2006, 05:22:39 PM
Why do I think Dorian's quads look smooth?

(http://forum.bodybuildingpro.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=1647&stc=1)
because even in his very best 93 shape, when he extends his quad and flexes, it is smooth.

You can also see this on video if you like if you watch the 1993 Olympia.

He hits a most muscular at the end of his routine.

it is not available on youtube however..

(http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/1999britishgrandprix/27.jpg)
(http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/1999britishgrandprix/52.jpg)
compared to guys like Ronnie (back in the day), Flex, Kevin, and Shawn, his quads just looked smooth in comparison.

You don't have to be at a contest to see this. Just look.
Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: Hulkster on October 25, 2006, 05:25:00 PM
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his satorious much better seperated and defined than Ronnie but his legs are smooth

(http://www.dennis-james.com/Gallery/01ac/images/full/djames_AC03zc.jpg)
its not as bad as you think
Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: pumpster on October 25, 2006, 05:25:10 PM
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ronnie's front lat spread is a disaster zone from a technical standpoint. It COULD look unbelievable!
So much for that "theory". "Technically" he looks as good or better than Yates in that pose.
Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: pumpster on October 25, 2006, 05:27:01 PM
From a "technical" standpoint, this is a disaster..one of the all-time worst MMs, along with Haney. Columbu laughs at them.
Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on October 25, 2006, 05:27:31 PM
(http://www.dennis-james.com/Gallery/01ac/images/full/djames_AC03zc.jpg)
its not as bad as you think

You always get suckered into posting that pic lol and I always say the same two things , Nice gut and its not close to Yates .
Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: delta9mda on October 25, 2006, 05:27:37 PM
there is a diff between smooth and not striated. there is no way in hell he could be smooth and shredded as hell at the same time and the hardest guy on stage everytime.
Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: Hulkster on October 25, 2006, 05:30:18 PM

I am just calling the truth as is obvious: the man had flawed arms and quads. they were smooth for someone as dominating as yates was supposed to be.

The fact is, the man had relatively smooth arms and quads and this is apparent in countless pics and videos.

you guys are saying that he didn't and that you have to see them up close and they will look fantastic.

But what does that do for the guys who have quads and arms that ALREADY look fantastic?

seems like an excuse to me..


if the man had fantastic looking arms and quads on camera like everyone ELSE who has fantastic looking quads and arms does, not much of this stuff would be going on.


Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: Hulkster on October 25, 2006, 05:33:14 PM
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there is no way in hell he could be smooth and shredded as hell at the same time and the hardest guy on stage everytime

and thats where the genetics come in. some guys like Ronnie and flex tend to show lots of striations.

some guys like Dorian and kevin do not. sure, in certain areas, but on the whole, not as much.

But the judges are not out to judge genetics.

they are out to judge the best physique in front of them.

Guys with a genetic disadvantage in a certain area should not be given any slack
Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on October 25, 2006, 05:33:18 PM
Why do I think Dorian's quads look smooth?

(http://forum.bodybuildingpro.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=1647&stc=1)
because even in his very best 93 shape, when he extends his quad and flexes, it is smooth.

You can also see this on video if you like if you watch the 1993 Olympia.

He hits a most muscular at the end of his routine.

it is not available on youtube however..


compared to guys like Ronnie (back in the day), Flex, Kevin, and Shawn, his quads just looked smooth in comparison.

You don't have to be at a contest to see this. Just look.

Look smooth are they smooth? nope , hard as nails the only problem with Yates' quads is upper separation other than that his quads are world class !

Flex Magazine July 2005 " Wonder wheels: the 40 all-time greatest legs "

 Legs are the bodybuilder's bodypart. They separate weekend warriors, contently pumping up bis and pecs, from those who want to transform their entire physique into a living work of art--whether classical or decidedly more abstract.

The 20 bodybuilders in our training guide are propelled by the 40 greatest legs of all time. Some made the list specifically because of phenomenal quadriceps, hamstrings or calves, even though other areas of their legs may not be worthy of best-of-the-best status.

The 20 bodybuilders are shown randomly, instead of by rank; though, for the record, Tom Platz (circa 1981) is our number-one pick. Any such list is subjective, and a few worthy men just missed our final cut, among them Nasser El Sonbaty, Mike Morris, Art Atwood and calf wranglers Danny Padilla and Chris Cook. Most--perhaps all--of the following champs were blessed with genetic propensities for forging lower-body muscle. Nonetheless, they each endured hundreds of torturous leg sessions to fulfill their potential. All of them have something to teach about leg training. Apply the lessons from the masters to your own workouts and get busy building your own pair of legendary legs.

ORIAN YATES

As a winner of six Mr. Olympia titles (1992-1997), Dorian Yates set a new standard for overall size and density in the mid-'90s. From the top of his vastus lateralis to the bottom of his soleus, his legs were thick from every angle. Yates believed in high-intensity training, exhausting his muscles by putting maximum effort into a few focused sets.

SQUAT OR NOT?

"Some people's joints articulate in a manner that allows them to benefit
greatly from squats; others may not benefit at all. If you're not too
tall and have short limbs, it may be the best exercise for you, but if
you're tall with long legs, it might be both ineffective and dangerous.
I was stubbornly faithful to squats for years until I finally realized
they were not well-suited for my body structure. After I switched to
more muscle-intensive movements, my gains in leg size were astounding."
--Dorian Yates


Consider your ass Schooled !!  ;)

and p.s. Coleman is on the list .
Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on October 25, 2006, 05:35:15 PM
and thats where the genetics come in. some guys like Ronnie and flex tend to show lots of striations.

some guys like Dorian and kevin do not. sure, in certain areas, but on the whole, not as much.

But the judges are not out to judge genetics.

they are out to judge the best physique in front of them.

Guys with a genetic disadvantage in a certain area should not be given any slack

Like abdominals and calves? or bowling pin shaped forearms? or oddly shaped overdeveloped glutes? should they NOT be cut any slack?
Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: Hulkster on October 25, 2006, 05:36:11 PM
no one is denying that Yates's quads were not thick. they were huge.

but detailed and shapely too?

not on the same level as Ronnie, Flex, etc
Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: jwb on October 25, 2006, 05:37:56 PM
there is a diff between smooth and not striated. there is no way in hell he could be smooth and shredded as hell at the same time and the hardest guy on stage everytime.
exactly what I was saying...

cross striations are great but they can't overcome lack of height, shoulder width, wide hips, high lat insertions and many other problems.

how about we start a shawn ray thread picking his body apart - no width, too short, lack of quad sweep - everybody has/had imperfections.

yates had the height, the width, the awesome back/calves, great technical posing and he turned up shredded therefore he won...
Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: Hulkster on October 25, 2006, 05:38:56 PM
Like abdominals and calves? or bowling pin shaped forearms? or oddly shaped overdeveloped glutes? should they NOT be cut any slack?

you just mentioned a buch of small minor parts, and besides, ronnie 99 only really had calves from your list. His abs and midsection still looked good enough not to be notice as a flaw at that point. check out his ab and thigh from 99, you will be very surprised at how good it looks.

Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: Hulkster on October 25, 2006, 05:41:13 PM
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how about we start a shawn ray thread picking his body apart

um.. calling out a 6 time Mr. Olympia for having relatively smoothish quads and arms is hardly what I would call nit picking...

its not like I am bashing Yates for his side-head triceps or anything.

these are major bodyparts and large musclegroups we are talking about here.
Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on October 25, 2006, 05:41:26 PM
no one is denying that Yates's quads were not thick. they were huge.

but detailed and shapely too?

not on the same level as Ronnie, Flex, etc

They were detailed and shapely most certainly , Ronnie's may have the egde on quads Okay no one is arguning that but you've gone out of your way to knock Yates' quads down to nothing and thats nonsense period. and Yates' legs have something Ronnie's NEVER did balance & proportion not to mention world class calves so can Ronnie's striations make up for that glaring flaw? not quite.
Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on October 25, 2006, 05:42:58 PM
you just mentioned a buch of small minor parts, and besides, ronnie 99 only really had calves from your list. His abs and midsection still looked good enough not to be notice as a flaw at that point. check out his ab and thigh from 99, you will be very surprised at how good it looks.



oh yes it looks good for Ronnie , but NOT Yates' level by a long shot , the heavier Ronnie becomes the softer he becomes .
Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: jwb on October 25, 2006, 05:48:45 PM
um.. calling out a 6 time Mr. Olympia for having relatively smoothish quads and arms is hardly what I would call nit picking...

its not like I am bashing Yates for his side-head triceps or anything.

these are major bodyparts and large musclegroups we are talking about here.
kinda like the back is a large bodypart so if you are dominant in that area and adequate in others you are ahead of the game by miles...

lets really break down yates competition in those years - forget 1999 coleman he wasn't there in 1993.

wheeler - too smooth that day, narrow across the shoulders... at his best may have beaten yates that day but needed to be rock hard through the glutes and hams and he simply wasn't.

ray - too narrow and short, quad sweep weak.

labrada - no thickness, too short

kevin - off that day, back wide but not thick enough

dillet - posing terrible, zero lats

the back is important... practically 1/3 of the body

Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: IceCold on October 25, 2006, 06:34:49 PM
this keeps coming up:

people say Yates doesn't look that great in the pictures but he looks fantastic in person.

but what is never acknowledged is what does this tell us about how the guys who look fantastic in the pics would look live and in person?

The fact that they would look even better is swept under the carpet and ignored...




you would think so, but in reality that isnt the case.

at least that's what peter mcgough, robet kennedy, jonny fitness, ron harris, etc. have said about some bbers.

a perfect example is of branch from last year.

i remember everyone saying that you had to see him in person to see how thick he was. 
Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: delta9mda on October 25, 2006, 10:26:34 PM
you just mentioned a buch of small minor parts, and besides, ronnie 99 only really had calves from your list. His abs and midsection still looked good enough not to be notice as a flaw at that point. check out his ab and thigh from 99, you will be very surprised at how good it looks.


yeah and hulkster you harp on biceps too much, they are a small bodypart.
Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: delta9mda on October 26, 2006, 02:48:46 PM
bump
Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: IceCold on October 26, 2006, 05:01:49 PM
yeah and hulkster you harp on biceps too much, they are a small bodypart.


but hulkster, pumpster, etc. ignore ronnie's midsection.

they ignore everything positve about dorian (like comments from other pros) and ignore anything negative about ronnie.

Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: Hulkster on October 26, 2006, 05:35:43 PM
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but hulkster, pumpster, etc. ignore ronnie's midsection.

(http://www.ifbb.com/contestresults/mrolympia/coleman/99coleman9.jpg)
no we don't. its just that at his best, his waist was so streamlined and his abs were "okay" enough that it was more of an ADVANTAGE than a disadvantage.

when your waist is this small, it can hardly be called a disadvantage, even if your abs are not on par with shawn rays.
Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: jwb on October 26, 2006, 05:44:14 PM
(http://www.ifbb.com/contestresults/mrolympia/coleman/99coleman9.jpg)
no we don't. its just that at his best, his waist was so streamlined and his abs were "okay" enough that it was more of an ADVANTAGE than a disadvantage.

when your waist is this small, it can hardly be called a disadvantage, even if your abs are not on par with shawn rays.
all 3 of those guys look pretty smooth compared to yates at his best...
Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: delta9mda on October 26, 2006, 07:11:03 PM
all 3 of those guys look pretty smooth compared to yates at his best...
they dont look smooth, they are smooth. again, there is a huge diff between smooth(out of shape) and not having striations(yates rock hard condition without striations).
Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: Hulkster on October 26, 2006, 07:15:55 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/diablo86/93%20olympia/dorian_yates_shawn_ray_flex_wheeler.jpg)
yeah, sure they look smooth ::)
Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: Hulkster on October 26, 2006, 07:23:05 PM
all 3 of those guys look pretty smooth compared to yates at his best...

hahaha Yates in 1993 standing relaxed looks smoother than ALL of them!

(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=69359.0;attach=78838;image)
Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on October 27, 2006, 01:38:47 AM
Yates 93 standing relaxed  ;)
Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: jwb on October 27, 2006, 02:10:24 AM
Yates 93 standing relaxed  ;)
That truly is dorian at his peak... 1995 was a conditioning peak but he looked his best in 1993.

One interesting thing is that that was the year his shoulder held up the best and his pecs were a lot thicker than previously which caps off his look very well...
Title: Re: Dorian at the 94 Olympia...holy shit...
Post by: rccs on October 27, 2006, 02:44:23 AM


He did not look bad at all....262lbs...look at that back :o

There is no fucking way Shawn Ray could have ever beat that in a million years.

Pumpster and Hulkster please refrain from posting, you are too predictable, so buzz off.

very impressive.
Great Dorian, however I've never seen his legs in such poor condition! Nevertheless he was fantastic!