He has great talent as a bodybuilder! He's an extremely skilled poser. Much better than Ronnie is. His posing routine was too long though. He should have left out the part with the rap music. I bet that was Weiders influence. I read that DY prefered performing posing routines that were short and to the point.
I have a video of Dorian from 93 (I believe) guest posing at the Atlantic states in july of that year. For anyone that wasn't at the show in NY that year, I'm telling ya it was the most impressive Dorian I've ever seen. A friend of mine that is a big bodybuilding fan did not believe it when i said it's more impressive than even Ronnie...just incredible dens, granite like muscle. I will see if i can get it transfered to DVD this weekend and post it.
Oh, and please take a screenshot where you see abdominal distention in that posing routine. Too bad you won't find any.
He did not look bad at all....262lbs...look at that back :o
There is no fucking way Shawn Ray could have ever beat that in a million years.
Pumpster and Hulkster please refrain from posting, you are too predictable, so buzz off.
very impressive.
yes dorian is better than this ::)shawn was fantastic, except for the long torso, narrow shoulders and short blocky legs. ;D
::)hahahah poor shawn ;D
yes dorian is better than this ::)
poor condition
Dorian always looked his best a week after the Olympia,he had a chance to really fill out and his condition was still good.Here`s a couple of screencaps taken from when he guest posed at the British Champs in 94.
Shawn obviously is one of the best BB's ever, BUT there is no way he or anyone else then would stand a shot against the 93 Dorian in the video I will post. I do not even think Shawn would disagree.dont get me wrong, shawn had second place at the 93. why flex got it (2nd)is beyond me.
Hulkster claimed this contest was the most controversial Mr Olympia since 1980 yet has nothing to back it up with besides him find the worse picture of Yates and the best of Ray
For the ill-informed 1994 wasn't EVEN close , not on paper and not in reality , Shawn looked fantastic perhaps a career best but the last Mr Olympia who weighed close to 200lbs was Samir Bannout 11 years earlier and the trend was the winners were getting heavier , Haney 1984 was 230lbs by his lat Olympia win in 1991 he was 250lbs , Yates first win he was 242lbs and by his end he was 270lbs !
Dorian was off especially from 1993 but he wasn't Ronnie Coleman-2006-Olympia-off , he tore his bicep and quad a few weeks out and having a poor tan didn't help , Yates said he was fighting a stomach-bug at prejudging which caused his stomach to bloat but he rectified the situation at the night show and came in much tighter , he was 262lbs and shredded , here are some quotes from the contest
quote Flex Jan 1995 " Let it be recorded that in the immediate aftermath of the contest , none of his closest rivals even hinted that Yates did not deserve to win . "
quote Shawn Ray Flex Jan 1995 " Tonight I feel I got what I deserved "
quote Flex Jan 1995 " As Yates , Levrone and Ray stood onstage , the reiging champ ( cognizant of 1992 ) told Levrone " Looks like it's you and me again " Mr Olympia got it wrong , and the booing deciblel dwarfed that accorded the Dillet announcement as Kevin Levrone was called out in third "
quote Ironman Jan 1995 " Since he ( Ray ) was trailing Levrone by four points going into round 3 ( posing round ) Shawn was going to have to equal his showing of seven years ago ( Nationals win ) to have a chance of passing Levrone "
quote Ironman Jan 1995 " The battle was between Shawn and Kevin for second "
quote Ironman Jan 1995 former IFBB judge Roger Schwab " Yates is simply in another league. When he turns his back and flexes , he's the only man onstage. "
quote " Shawn Ray in a rout. He was better than ever. Any criticism is a stretch for a reporter to fill space. That such magnificence is litterally crushed by Yates is a sobering thought ."
Quote Flex Dec 1995
" In 1994 , he ( Dorian ) was admittedly not at his best , but he was still the best bodybuilder onstage that day. No one not even runner-up Shawn Ray,disagreed with that stance on the night of Yates' threepeat. "
So there you have it , another day at the office for Yates and Shawn was lucky to place ahead of Levrone .
Dorian in 1994 is a an amalgam of parts that confuses me. His back is supernatural; not as wide as today's top two guys, but striated and sliced. If Ronnie would have had that condition this year, he would have won despite the lat discrepency. However, his legs although ripped were kinda small and ill-shapen. They look good from the side, but from a front on view they look like reverse pyramids. Odd, yet still impressive. What is most impressive is that his waist is still taut and ripped. He is not in the condition he was a year earlier, but I did not note any distension. He is not Haneyesque, so to speak, but nobody with that size has ever had as small a waist except Ronnie 1998/1999. Regardless, I can see why he won. However, an on Ronnie would destroy that condition without any doubt. Problem is that Ronnie has not really been on for over a year. This year, that version of Doz would have won the Mr. Olympia; Gutler would have cried standing next to him.
really after watching that video im left with an unimpressed taste in my mouth. he doesn't look good at all, at least not for a mr olympia. on the other hand, the 99-00 ronnie had size and conditioning that was very impressive. i dont think doz is that great, show me a video that drops your jaw.
Can someone please post Yates 93 or 95 posing routines?
Hulkster claimed this contest was the most controversial Mr Olympia since 1980 yet has nothing to back it up with besides him find the worse picture of Yates and the best of Rayyates was one of the most grainiest bodybuilders in the world..in 1994 his sick condition was enough to beat any one fairly and there is no fuckin doubt that yates did not win deservingly.thats why my screen name is named after DORIAN'THE SHADOW'YATES..no doubt he is the best of the best
For the ill-informed 1994 wasn't EVEN close , not on paper and not in reality , Shawn looked fantastic perhaps a career best but the last Mr Olympia who weighed close to 200lbs was Samir Bannout 11 years earlier and the trend was the winners were getting heavier , Haney 1984 was 230lbs by his lat Olympia win in 1991 he was 250lbs , Yates first win he was 242lbs and by his end he was 270lbs !
Dorian was off especially from 1993 but he wasn't Ronnie Coleman-2006-Olympia-off , he tore his bicep and quad a few weeks out and having a poor tan didn't help , Yates said he was fighting a stomach-bug at prejudging which caused his stomach to bloat but he rectified the situation at the night show and came in much tighter , he was 262lbs and shredded , here are some quotes from the contest
quote Flex Jan 1995 " Let it be recorded that in the immediate aftermath of the contest , none of his closest rivals even hinted that Yates did not deserve to win . "
quote Shawn Ray Flex Jan 1995 " Tonight I feel I got what I deserved "
quote Flex Jan 1995 " As Yates , Levrone and Ray stood onstage , the reiging champ ( cognizant of 1992 ) told Levrone " Looks like it's you and me again " Mr Olympia got it wrong , and the booing deciblel dwarfed that accorded the Dillet announcement as Kevin Levrone was called out in third "
quote Ironman Jan 1995 " Since he ( Ray ) was trailing Levrone by four points going into round 3 ( posing round ) Shawn was going to have to equal his showing of seven years ago ( Nationals win ) to have a chance of passing Levrone "
quote Ironman Jan 1995 " The battle was between Shawn and Kevin for second "
quote Ironman Jan 1995 former IFBB judge Roger Schwab " Yates is simply in another league. When he turns his back and flexes , he's the only man onstage. "
quote " Shawn Ray in a rout. He was better than ever. Any criticism is a stretch for a reporter to fill space. That such magnificence is litterally crushed by Yates is a sobering thought ."
Quote Flex Dec 1995
" In 1994 , he ( Dorian ) was admittedly not at his best , but he was still the best bodybuilder onstage that day. No one not even runner-up Shawn Ray,disagreed with that stance on the night of Yates' threepeat. "
So there you have it , another day at the office for Yates and Shawn was lucky to place ahead of Levrone .
yateyates was one of the most grainiest bodybuilders in the world..in 1994 his sick condition was enough to beat any one fairly and there is no fuckin doubt that yates did not win deservingly.thats why my screen name is named after DORIAN'THE SHADOW'YATES..no doubt he is the best of the best
really after watching that video im left with an unimpressed taste in my mouth. he doesn't look good at all, at least not for a mr olympia. on the other hand, the 99-00 ronnie had size and conditioning that was very impressive. i dont think doz is that great, show me a video that drops your jaw.
Robbery and the Olympia go hand and hand.Pithy
Labrada beat Haney in 89 and 90.
Ray beat Yates in 94 and El Sonbaty beat him in 97.
Now hang on one damn second!!!your absoluetly right man..yep it was good for me man..lol
What about Jay Cutler?!!! The best Mr Fucking OLYMPIA IN THE WORLD BIATTCCHHESSS AIIIGHT!!!
SUUUUUCKKKKEEEEEERRRRSS
Note: I tried to do my best impression of you. Was it good for you too? ;)
Dorian looked small beyond belief in that video, the arms, legs and chest were all terrible, the back was awesome though but Shawn should have wiped the floor with him.bullshit!
Dorian looked small beyond belief in that video, the arms, legs and chest were all terrible, the back was awesome though but Shawn should have wiped the floor with him.
exactly.
its amaziing how delusional all these yates fans are: the man had a great upper and lower back in the video (but piss poor arms when viewed from the rear double biceps pose), wide, thick waist, causing his rear lat spread to look NOTHING like this:
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his arms look horrible from the front, and his quads, as usual, were not very good.
and yet people are cumming over him.
unbelievable.
the argument has even been made that this version of dorian, with poor pecs, arms, quads, taper, etc would have beaten this:
how incredibly stupid ::).
Its also worth noting that for all the talk about dorian's "great" triceps and biceps, 1999 Ronnie's arms DESTROY dorian's arms in that condition in every way shape and form.
question: how many more shots and videos of dorian looking bad will have to be posted before the delusional masses finally get that he was nowhere near as good as peak ronnie?
maybe so.
but everything I said and showed is true to anyone with two good eyes
what good are facts and figures when your eyes plainly tell you that Yates in 1996 would be crushed by 1999 Ronnie?
someone with smooth arms and quads does not hammer this:
in terms of conditioning ::)
Dorian always had better conditioning than Ronnie only the moronic would claim otherwise , hey wait who am I dealing with again?
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=69359.0;attach=76821;image)
really? ::)
As these debates go on, your arguments are relying more and more on simple opnion rather than actual proof.
You seem to be basing things more on "well this guy said its true so it must be".
that is very weak compared to giving us proof using visuals.
and you most of the visuals do not support your arguments.
that is why you have to make up all these excuses, from "bad scans" to "bad lighting" to "compressed video" to ....
::)
you don't see the Ronnie side saying all that.
why?
because we know that visuals do not lie like you seem to claim that they do.
Ronnie at his peak was clearly better.
there is lots of real support for this.
not just words and numbers like you have to rely on.
my meltdowns are well thought out aruments with many valid points.
Hulkster and Pumpster to a lesser extent are butchering any thread with Dorian mentioned in it with some inate need to ram home how good Ronnie was!!!
Why do you need to compare them and fucking say how Ronnie is better all the time in every thread!?? You ruin it and lack credibilty, it is such an issue for you guys who clearly have some kind of removed inferiority complex.
Discuss the subject not display Ronnie lust in every fucking post.
Someone mentioned a broken record in this thread, that is a great description for you two.
Pumpster has redeeming qualities training posts etc but you are both boring as f**k girls
ta ta
Hulkster and Pumpster to a lesser extent are butchering any thread with Dorian mentioned in it with some inate need to ram home how good Ronnie was!!!'
Why do you need to compare them and fucking say how Ronnie is better all the time in every thread!?? You ruin it and lack credibilty, it is such an issue for you guys who clearly have some kind of removed inferiority complex.
Discuss the subject not display Ronnie lust in every fucking post.
Someone mentioned a broken record in this thread, that is a great description for you two.
Pumpster has redeeming qualities training posts etc but you are both boring as f**k girls
ta ta
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must be a Yates fan :P
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must be a Yates fan :P
Dorian always looked his best a week after the Olympia,he had a chance to really fill out and his condition was still good.Here`s a couple of screencaps taken from when he guest posed at the British Champs in 94.
shawn was fantastic, except for the long torso, narrow shoulders and short blocky legs. ;D
Put the crack pipe down! >:(no crack here boy and i stopped the weed a few weeks ago. thank you for playing. and as i said, dont get me wrong, shawn was great but standing next to yates and he was crushed. personally wise i thought shawn was a dick as i witnessed him blow off a kid asking for an autograph at the 91 mr o, "sorry kid i gotta go and eat". but, this is a physic contest not personality. there you have it.
Robbery and the Olympia go hand and hand. ::)
Labrada beat Haney in 89 and 90.
Ray beat Yates in 94 and El Sonbaty beat him in 97.
Dorian looks dense as f**k there! Do you have that video?
you obviously have reading comprehension problems.
You are worthless. You have not made 1 intelligent contribution to the truce thread whatsoever. However, you have been owned so many times I'm surprised you keep coming back for more.
Dorian was a unique and obviously great bodybuilder but when one can lend an objective eye to watching that video (with a knowledge of what the other competitors looked like that year), it is impossible IMO to say her should have won. Both his arms and legs were "small" overall when compared to the size of his torso. He couldn't even flex his left arm which looked like an amateurs. He did have a very reasonable waist line, a great back, and great calves but the weakness of his pecs, arms, and legs in judging in an unbiased manner should have prevented him from winning. BTW I'm not one that subscribes to the theory of "if a guy is the biggest/has the most mass and is in shape then he should win" (and that goes for Ronnie & Jay too) bodybuilding is about more than that to me... and 1994 was not Dorian's year.
Both his arms and legs were "small" overall when compared to the size of his torso. He couldn't even flex his left arm which looked like an amateurs. He did have a very reasonable waist line, a great back, and great calves but the weakness of his pecs, arms, and legs in judging in an unbiased manner should have prevented him from winning.Pithy.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=102480.0;attach=112545;image)
Momo pwned Dorian here
Where is this pic from. It looks like it could be Yates' first NOC where Benaziza won.
it was yates' first olympia win :-\
yup. its a shame. Had Vince shown up looking like he did at the ironman and Arnold Classic that year, it is likely he would have beaten Yates that year:
don't forget: Vince was no slouch in the back department at the time.
Oh jesus here we go again lol Vince wasn't going to beat Yates not by a long shot , Vince competed at 210lbs he wasn't big enough to match Yates for size & conditioning .What a coincidence that this sentiment is right out of Flex.
yup, dorian said that Vince Taylor was basically the reason that he "overdieted" and came in a little flat in 92, while in 93 he did not go for conditioning at the expense of size.
he came in bigger in 93, but not has hard at least in the lower back and midsection.
Wrong . he chose to come in lighter due to the smaller guys like Ray , Levrone and Labrada and Taylor ! and he was a LOT bigger in 93 and had the exact same conditioning as 92 ,I think this is correct.
yup, dorian said that Vince Taylor was basically the reason that he "overdieted" and came in a little flat in 92, while in 93 he did not go for conditioning at the expense of size.
he came in bigger in 93, but not has hard at least in the lower back and midsection.
Wrong . he chose to come in lighter due to the smaller guys like Ray , Levrone and Labrada and Taylor ! and he was a LOT bigger in 93 and had the exact same conditioning as 92 , kid you really need to learn about bodybuilding because your knowlege is weak.
Oh Brother... Hulkster, the Dorian dellusion is embarrassing to look at... ::)
that is exactly what I said moron!
He came in lighter to go for conditioning rather than size because of mainly Taylor (and Ray) in 1992
its right out of flex mag.
oh, and in 1993 he had a supergut standing in the symmetry round compared to 1992.
you, my friend, are a retard.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=69359.0;attach=87254;image)
(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/yates/dy183.jpg)
92 vs. 93 conditioning.
notice: 92 has more definition in the abs. Arms and quads as smooth as ever...
ND, you are such a tool.
you are very easy to prove wrong.
(http://digilander.libero.it/mrolympia2/dy26.jpg)
tell me about it.. :-\
Wow another accurate comparision ::) idiot its two differnt pictures and ones black & white for christs sake !! I have every single magazine coverage from 1993 Mr Olympia and ALL said he dumbfounded how he could come in 15lbs heavier with THE EXACT SAME CONDITIONING , Hulkster you still have a long way to go before you learn anything.
and, you, ND, have a long way to go before most people will agree with what you say most of the time..
ps you should not be the one complaining about black and white comparisons.
they are your ace in the hole for making your hero look good.
he never looks as grainy in colour.
Hulkster, did you ever see yates in person in contest shape brother?
Hulkster, did you ever see yates in person in contest shape brother?
no, and neither has ND.
no, and neither has ND.you had to BE there to appreciate the level he was on...
you had to BE there to appreciate the level he was on...
forget certain bodyparts being weaker or less than perfect structure- every pro is in that situation in some way - even flex and shawn were too narrow and too short respectively to beat him.
the other thing is, which this 94 video shows, is that he was way better in MOTION than in stills. He knew how to hide his problems and posed accordingly.
smartest bodybuilder of the modern era...
He's seen Nimrod Kings calves lol
According to Hulkster he is the most overrated bodybuilder of all time !! lolDorian changed everything... whether that ended up being a good thing is open to debate
you had to BE there to appreciate the level he was on...
Dorian changed everything... whether that ended up being a good thing is open to debate
you can say this about every single pro.some pros look worse in person IMO.
that being the case, can you imagine What Ronnie 1999 must have looked like up close:
(http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/ronniecolemanclips-pictures/19.jpg)
it must have been unreal. a level above dorian 8)
some pros look worse in person IMO.
ronnie looked awesome in that lighting at the 1999 english grand prix and he is an awesome bodybuilder but yates, at his absolute best circa 93 or 95 would have looked INSANE in those lighting conditions believe me...
Hey some one who gets it !! I told Hulkster that 99 Grand Prix was an in shape Ronnie with extremely great lighting but he seems to think thats the best anyones ever looked in any contest in the history of the sport , you try and talk some sense into the kid but he's thick ! and Ronnie has the advantage of naturally darker skin and Dorian has naturally fair skin , so unless Dorian is seen in person his detail can appear washed out in pictures & video.a good example is the 88 british amateur titles where yates blew everyone away and got his pro card at about 220-225lbs.
at his absolute best circa 93 or 95 would have looked INSANE in those lighting conditions believe me...
so unless Dorian is seen in person his detail can appear washed out in pictures & video.no amount or lack of lighting will make these arms appear detailed:
no, it would have been the exact opposite:you're talking about pictures i'm talking about in person dude... in person yates would have looked great in that contest.
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y223/dungeon1986/99%20grand%20prix/more%20pics/1999BritishGrandPrix_0070.jpg)(http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/1999britishgrandprix/67.jpg)
compare kevin and Ronnie in these shots.
Ronnie is more impressive because his natural muscle shape and detail looks better under the fantastic lighting than someone with less shape and detail.
Yates would have run into the same problem as Kevin..
the same of course, applies to ANY lighting, but the grand prix lighting being probably the greatest lit contest ever, makes this effect even more pronounced.
Sometimes, you have to look deeper into things.
what appears to be obvious is not always the case.
this keeps coming up:isn't always the case... levrone to me looked better in pics than when I saw him live in a contest... he looked a lot thicker in pictures to me
people say Yates doesn't look that great in the pictures but he looks fantastic in person.
but what is never acknowledged is what does this tell us about how the guys who look fantastic in the pics would look live and in person?
The fact that they would look even better is swept under the carpet and ignored...
isn't always the case... levrone to me looked better in pics than when I saw him live in a contest... he looked a lot thicker in pictures to me
with yates it is a skin issue because of his complexion...
Utter doggerel.
The suggestion that one pro may look better in person than in pics and another who looks great in pics and not so great in person is just a pathetic attempt at the defence of bodybuilder 1 who looks like garbage in pics most of the time compared to bodybuilder 2.
"You had to see dorian in person to appreciate how great he was"
Fair statement until its put in the context that this "rule" only applies to dorian and no other bodybuilder.
Piss off with this dogshit
isn't always the case... levrone to me looked better in pics than when I saw him live in a contest... he looked a lot thicker in pictures to meThat only applies when it's close. ::) ::) ::)
Meltdown lol
That only applies when it's close. ::) ::) ::)you've proven me right with these pics dude...
no, it would have been the exact opposite:
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y223/dungeon1986/99%20grand%20prix/more%20pics/1999BritishGrandPrix_0070.jpg)(http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/1999britishgrandprix/67.jpg)
compare kevin and Ronnie in these shots.
Ronnie is more impressive because his natural muscle shape and detail looks better under the fantastic lighting than someone with less shape and detail.
Truth hurts huh ND? ;D
Is that the best response you can muster?
I could overuse the word " doggerel " like you lolGreat comeback. ???
Great comeback. ???
Doggerel > "lol" ;)
94 Dorian > Shawn ;)
Don't believe i've asserted shawn deserved to beat dorian that year, yet! ;)
That shows how much I pay attention to your posts oh well.To hell with reality. ;D
To hell with reality. ;D
Utter doggerel.excellent post.
The suggestion that one pro may look better in person than in pics and another who looks great in pics and not so great in person is just a pathetic attempt at the defence of bodybuilder 1 who looks like garbage in pics most of the time compared to bodybuilder 2.
"You had to see dorian in person to appreciate how great he was"
Fair statement until its put in the context that this "rule" only applies to dorian and no other bodybuilder.
Piss off with this dogshit
excellent post.
good to see that ND cannot come up with a reasonable rebuttal for it.
just verifies what we already know: ND has no clue 8)
I don't have anything to rebutt I'm in the positive I'm not claiming contrary to the judges that Yates didn't look good compared to his contemporaries you are , I'm ahead of the game.
But whats your opinion on the oft asserted "phenomena" that pics don't do dorian justice (yet they do ronnie and everyone else), and that you had to see him in person to truly appreciate him (unlike others where photos tell the whole story).
We all eagerly await your answer. ;)
I don't have anything to rebutt I'm in the positive I'm not claiming contrary to the judges that Yates didn't look good compared to his contemporaries you are , I'm ahead of the game.Meaningless babbling.
But whats your opinion on the oft asserted "phenomena" that pics don't do dorian justice (yet they do ronnie and everyone else), and that you had to see him in person to truly appreciate him (unlike others where photos tell the whole story).
We all eagerly await your answer. ;)
These are firsthand accounts of people who saw Yates only in pictures and video and all have asserted neother do him justice , he must be seen in person to full comprehend what he looks like , and I never said that the same wouldn't apply to Ronnie , but it thats the consensus about Yates
People tend to downplay this but Dorian has fair skin and harsh lighting can wash out his detail in a lot of pictures and video , these details can be seen much better live and in person.
Hmmmm, yet the detail is fully evident in his lower back yet mysteriously absent from his arms and quads.the lower back looked even better in person thats how good it was. it was crazy...
What? Certain bodyparts aren't given justice by photos?
Here is ND's answer:ND can cut and paste these. ;D
LOL
I own you
get with the program kid
You are an internet fan boy
Dorian scored 5.67 in each round of 23.3 contests, That's a 93.2343 (repeating) winning percentage!
these details can be seen much better live and in person.
what, from the 45th row?
give me a break.
smooth is smooth whether its on camera, on video, in person, on the moon, or whatever.
I'd like someone to explain to me how dorian had smooth arms and quads?
He genetically didn't have cross striations in these areas - yet he did in the back, hams and calves - but that doesn't equate to smooth and lack of detail...
I'd like someone to explain to me how dorian had smooth arms and quads?
He genetically didn't have cross striations in these areas - yet he did in the back, hams and calves - but that doesn't equate to smooth and lack of detail...
look at any pic and any video:
convienient of ND to post a croped shot of yates NOT showing his quads...
The arms and quads are MAJOR muscle groups. These flaws are one of the main reasons why I feel Yates was overrated (that and his shape, taper and detail 8))
your top pic clearly shows that yates had the most defined and developed sartorious muscle on the 1992 olympia stage...Then why does he lose most of the time standing beside anyone good? :-\
These are firsthand accounts of people who saw Yates only in pictures and video and all have asserted neother do him justice , he must be seen in person to full comprehend what he looks like , and I never said that the same wouldn't apply to Ronnie , but it thats the consensus about Yatesok, how many times do i have to say it? i was at the 91 and 95 olympias, and the whole "looks better in pics" things holds true. of course i never saw those years pics of yates till after i saw him live and.....the pics just do not show how hard and dense he was. take it or leave it im talking from first hand experiance (from being there and talking to the competitors up close after the show). yates just seemed carved out of granite, nasser while huge didnt have the hardness(shook his hand, talked to him for a few minutes at the breakfast and he was in nowhere near the condition of yates). again, from the second they walked on stage it was not close, kinda like 03 with ronnie. "whacha gonna do brother"?
People tend to downplay this but Dorian has fair skin and harsh lighting can wash out his detail in a lot of pictures and video , these details can be seen much better live and in person.
your top pic clearly shows that yates had the most defined and developed sartorious muscle on the 1992 olympia stage...
what, from the 45th row?not from the 45th, i snuck down the isle for pics and was actually sitting next to betty weider who was sitting right behind the judges.
give me a break.
smooth is smooth whether its on camera, on video, in person, on the moon, or whatever.
Then why does he lose most of the time standing beside anyone good? :-\
The front double biceps was never Dorian's best shot , however thats NOT the only mandatory pose . and Yates simply owns most of them comapred to almost everyone , front & rear latspreads , side chest , abdominal and thigh , back double biceps Dorian owned them all in most of his contests , this isn't debateable , its a fact .yates performed it well though and turned it into more of a back pose than an arm pose...
yates performed it well though and turned it into more of a back pose than an arm pose...
dorian was technically a very very good mandatory poser... he made the judges job easy in this round
how many times do i have to say it? i was at the 91 and 95 olympias, and the whole "looks better in pics" things holds true. of course i never saw those years pics of yates till after i saw him live and.....the pics just do not show how hard and dense he was. take it or leave it im talking from first hand experiance (from being there and talking to the competitors up close after the show). yates just seemed carved out of granite, nasser while huge didnt have the hardness(shook his hand, talked to him for a few minutes at the breakfast and he was in nowhere near the condition of yates). again, from the second they walked on stage it was not close, kinda like 03 with ronnie. "whacha gonna do brother"?Unless you also saw Coleman in similar circumstances that's interesting but only half a loaf. ;D
Quote from: pumpster on Today at 08:02:43 PM
Then why does he lose most of the time standing beside anyone good?
The front double biceps was never Dorian's best shot
yates performed it well though and turned it into more of a back pose than an arm pose...He had to. Dorian "no bis" Yates didn't have much of a choice.
Very true , he knew how to effectively pose which is among the many reasons dispite not having as good a taper Ronnie looks much better in the front latspread .ronnie's front lat spread is a disaster zone from a technical standpoint. It COULD look unbelievable!
his satorious much better seperated and defined than Ronnie but his legs are smooth
ronnie's front lat spread is a disaster zone from a technical standpoint. It COULD look unbelievable!So much for that "theory". "Technically" he looks as good or better than Yates in that pose.
(http://www.dennis-james.com/Gallery/01ac/images/full/djames_AC03zc.jpg)
its not as bad as you think
there is no way in hell he could be smooth and shredded as hell at the same time and the hardest guy on stage everytime
Why do I think Dorian's quads look smooth?
(http://forum.bodybuildingpro.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=1647&stc=1)
because even in his very best 93 shape, when he extends his quad and flexes, it is smooth.
You can also see this on video if you like if you watch the 1993 Olympia.
He hits a most muscular at the end of his routine.
it is not available on youtube however..
compared to guys like Ronnie (back in the day), Flex, Kevin, and Shawn, his quads just looked smooth in comparison.
You don't have to be at a contest to see this. Just look.
and thats where the genetics come in. some guys like Ronnie and flex tend to show lots of striations.
some guys like Dorian and kevin do not. sure, in certain areas, but on the whole, not as much.
But the judges are not out to judge genetics.
they are out to judge the best physique in front of them.
Guys with a genetic disadvantage in a certain area should not be given any slack
there is a diff between smooth and not striated. there is no way in hell he could be smooth and shredded as hell at the same time and the hardest guy on stage everytime.exactly what I was saying...
Like abdominals and calves? or bowling pin shaped forearms? or oddly shaped overdeveloped glutes? should they NOT be cut any slack?
how about we start a shawn ray thread picking his body apart
no one is denying that Yates's quads were not thick. they were huge.
but detailed and shapely too?
not on the same level as Ronnie, Flex, etc
you just mentioned a buch of small minor parts, and besides, ronnie 99 only really had calves from your list. His abs and midsection still looked good enough not to be notice as a flaw at that point. check out his ab and thigh from 99, you will be very surprised at how good it looks.
um.. calling out a 6 time Mr. Olympia for having relatively smoothish quads and arms is hardly what I would call nit picking...kinda like the back is a large bodypart so if you are dominant in that area and adequate in others you are ahead of the game by miles...
its not like I am bashing Yates for his side-head triceps or anything.
these are major bodyparts and large musclegroups we are talking about here.
this keeps coming up:
people say Yates doesn't look that great in the pictures but he looks fantastic in person.
but what is never acknowledged is what does this tell us about how the guys who look fantastic in the pics would look live and in person?
The fact that they would look even better is swept under the carpet and ignored...
you just mentioned a buch of small minor parts, and besides, ronnie 99 only really had calves from your list. His abs and midsection still looked good enough not to be notice as a flaw at that point. check out his ab and thigh from 99, you will be very surprised at how good it looks.yeah and hulkster you harp on biceps too much, they are a small bodypart.
yeah and hulkster you harp on biceps too much, they are a small bodypart.
but hulkster, pumpster, etc. ignore ronnie's midsection.
(http://www.ifbb.com/contestresults/mrolympia/coleman/99coleman9.jpg)all 3 of those guys look pretty smooth compared to yates at his best...
no we don't. its just that at his best, his waist was so streamlined and his abs were "okay" enough that it was more of an ADVANTAGE than a disadvantage.
when your waist is this small, it can hardly be called a disadvantage, even if your abs are not on par with shawn rays.
all 3 of those guys look pretty smooth compared to yates at his best...they dont look smooth, they are smooth. again, there is a huge diff between smooth(out of shape) and not having striations(yates rock hard condition without striations).
all 3 of those guys look pretty smooth compared to yates at his best...
Yates 93 standing relaxed ;)That truly is dorian at his peak... 1995 was a conditioning peak but he looked his best in 1993.
Great Dorian, however I've never seen his legs in such poor condition! Nevertheless he was fantastic!
He did not look bad at all....262lbs...look at that back :o
There is no fucking way Shawn Ray could have ever beat that in a million years.
Pumpster and Hulkster please refrain from posting, you are too predictable, so buzz off.
very impressive.