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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Steroids Info & Hardcore => Topic started by: Princess L on November 26, 2006, 08:18:51 PM
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Has anyone had the opportunity to see this show?
http://www.mtv.com/ontv/dyn/truelife/series.jhtml#/ontv/dyn/truelife/episode/episode.jhtml?episodeId=98389
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yes its funny I actually worked at the club were they shot the gay guy on roids
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Has anyone had the opportunity to see this show?
http://www.mtv.com/ontv/dyn/truelife/series.jhtml#/ontv/dyn/truelife/episode/episode.jhtml?episodeId=98389
No, I didnt see it.. Thanks.
I did however listen to a podcast (mayhem) with one of the people.. It was really interesting.
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Like anything else from MTV, you feel yourself becoming stupider as you read/view that shit...
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Yep, I saw it. Yet another despicable attempt to paint an inaccurate image of steroid users.
The guy who wanted the Magazine cover...I'll give him credit for trying to get help and supervision for his cycles, however, without knowing what kind of help he received, there is no way to say he was doing the right thing. My guess is he wasn't, simply because he came off like a tool IMO.
The fighter, appeared to be another guy who was simply taking "stuff" with no clue.
The guy who wanted to "look Good" at the club...total douche bag. Him and the "fighter's" supposed "roid rage" I call bull-shit...steroids do not do this...if they did, I would have killed someone by now.
The family that lost their son. It is true that when you come off a cycle, some people do hit a slight level of depression, and with a younger person this depression could very well bigger problem. But 9x out of 10 this is caused by not knowing what you're doing, and because you are extremely too young in the first place. If steroids did cause suicidal tendency's, I would not be typing this reply.
Romano said it best, "these are very powerful hormones, and you really need to know what you are doing...they absolutely work...they need only to be used by healthy, responsable adult males." End of story.
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Yep, I saw it. Yet another despicable attempt to paint an inaccurate image of steroid users.
You don't think that was a small cross section of the typical user? I didn't see all of it (just happened to be on one of the TV's while I was doing cardio). (IMO) Seemed to paint a fairly accurate picture of the typical user who shouldn't...
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You don't think that was a small cross section of the typical user? I didn't see all of it (just happened to be on one of the TV's while I was doing cardio). (IMO) Seemed to paint a fairly accurate picture of the typical user who shouldn't...
No doubt...this is with out question the "typical user who shouldn't", but it's also the only user you ever hear about on TV or in any media outlet. Every gym has some of these guys, they openly talk to everyone about their steroid use, and do so proudly...they are also the ones you see making total asses of themselves by way of acting like billygunns er uh, I mean billy bad ass ;)
MTV has now on more then one occasion painted the picture that people want to see when concerning steroids. Why not paint the correct picture for once? Again, yes there are plenty of people who fit the bill of the guys on this show, but their are plenty of the other types as well...many can be found on this board. BTW, I use the term "many" loosely, there are varying degrees.
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No doubt...this is with out question the "typical user who shouldn't", but it's also the only user you ever hear about on TV or in any media outlet.
MTV has now on more then one occasion painted the picture that people want to see when concerning steroids. Why not paint the correct picture for once? Again, yes there are plenty of people who fit the bill of the guys on this show, but their are plenty of the other types as well...many can be found on this board. BTW, I use the term "many" loosely, there are varying degrees.
While I agree there are many responsible and educated users out there, I firmly believe there are far more who are irresponsible, psychologically not equipped to handle it, and don’t know what the hell they are doing.
The guy who wanted to "look Good" at the club...total douche bag. Him and the "fighter's" supposed "roid rage" I call bull-shit...steroids do not do this...if they did, I would have killed someone by now.
:-\ I think if you already have a tendency to be a dick, then it just becomes exacerbated when on. I've seen it a lot. I can always tell when some guys are "on" because they become more of a jerk than when not (like a PMS'y woman). I also know a few guys whose personalities don't really change ~ they're genuinely nice guys to begin with.
If the majority of users out there were like you and a few others around here, we wouldn’t have the “issues” such as those depicted…
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While I agree there are many responsible and educated users out there, I firmly believe there are far more who are irresponsible, psychologically not equipped to handle it, and don’t know what the hell they are doing.
Agreed. But it's the lack of education that is the biggest problem. Many of these "shouldn't" users might very well be legitimate users if they would simply educate themselves. The guy who wanted to be in a mag and the fighter would fall into this category...the other two would not.
:-\ I think if you already have a tendency to be a dick, then it just becomes exacerbated when on. I've seen it a lot. I can always tell when some guys are "on" because they become more of a jerk than when not (like a PMS'y woman). I also know a few guys whose personalities don't really change ~ they're genuinely nice guys to begin with.
This is true, once a dick then on steroids, probably a bigger dick.
If the majority of users out there were like you and a few others around here, we wouldn’t have the “issues” such as those depicted…
You're right, but to absolutely never show these users is one of the biggest problems. All of these shows, and news reports paint the picture that there is only one type of user, that user being a retarded idiot. The idea that there may be responsible users out there is an absurd comment to most people. Why? They've simply never heard of one. Do you think that any TV show or news outlet would ever report on steroids using myself or countless others as their point of interest? In the past I would have said no, but it was done once with the "Real Sports" episode last year, but that's it. And even then, they could have done a better job with selecting people. JR was great, but being that he works on the inside, it would have been nice to have some people who were simply outside users who no one knows about...no, the old man does not fit the bill...he was to extreme.
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Has anyone had the opportunity to see this show?
http://www.mtv.com/ontv/dyn/truelife/series.jhtml#/ontv/dyn/truelife/episode/episode.jhtml?episodeId=98389
That's old.....and just media pornography.
DIV
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old news- that guy would of make my disgrace to juicers thread.
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While I agree there are many responsible and educated users out there, I firmly believe there are far more who are irresponsible, psychologically not equipped to handle it, and don’t know what the hell they are doing.
:-\ I think if you already have a tendency to be a dick, then it just becomes exacerbated when on. I've seen it a lot. I can always tell when some guys are "on" because they become more of a jerk than when not (like a PMS'y woman). I also know a few guys whose personalities don't really change ~ they're genuinely nice guys to begin with.
If the majority of users out there were like you and a few others around here, we wouldn’t have the “issues” such as those depicted…
I did a radio interview where I basically said the exact same thing:
http://www.superhumanradio.com/media/SHR_Show_04082006_64Kbps.wma
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Intresting points Princess and AJ. The public would have a hard time understanding the concept of a "responsible user" sort of like a "responsible heroin user" Most peoples values can not relate to the idea of responsible drug usage.
Also the responsible juicer would be boring media, they want wackos for ratings. So mister go to work, train, eat, eat, sleep, no drama is not good TV material
Agree with Princess that there are by far more people who don't have a clue about what they are doing with gear. In my experience so far I have only talked to 1-2 people who have any real knowledge of gear and the endocrine system, outside of sites like these.
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Just like anything else you have users and abusers...i agree with everything Arnold said.
Another show to make regular joes think they know how steroids make you act...
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That episode was a joke!
The gay didn´t even look like he trained and then he got so "depressed" that he "wanted to commit suicide"
Well next time choose a beretta instead of tylenol...
and "THE BAD ASS FIGHTER" it seemed to me that he didn´t have a clue what the fuck he was doing.
It´s motherfuckers like these who give "real athletes" a bad name.
END OF STORY!
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I watched it. It protrayed steroid use as a problem. The guy with the magazine cover may have used them somewhat correctly but I bet he still uses. He was a tool though. The guy that wanted to look good at the gay bar had mental issues to begin with. You could see it in his eyes when he took his first shot it looked like he was high on meth. The fighter why did he even bother he looked like crap! I have no clue what liquid crap he was taking.
Steroids do not in themselves make you aggressive and violent unless you have a predisposition to it. The baseball player probably had a lot of other issues he was dealing with and his use just made him a little more nuts.
I use juice and have friends who do too. We are very easygoing guys. The only time for agressiveness is in the gym. Ive never seen anyone personally get violent.
The media has never protrayed steroids in a good light. There was however a news show on nbc once a few years ago where doctors and the ama had no links to steroids as causes of death like so many people say as well.
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The fighter was using Cheque Drops for aggression to help boost his training for the fight...alot of UFC and boxing guys do this, it clears the system quickly.
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Yep.
He had monster acne and it was very hard not to notice.
BTW aint those cheque drops quite hard on the liver...
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BTW aint those cheque drops quite hard on the liver...
Yes.
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I watched it. It protrayed steroid use as a problem. The guy with the magazine cover may have used them somewhat correctly but I bet he still uses. He was a tool though. The guy that wanted to look good at the gay bar had mental issues to begin with. You could see it in his eyes when he took his first shot it looked like he was high on meth. The fighter why did he even bother he looked like crap! I have no clue what liquid crap he was taking.
Steroids do not in themselves make you aggressive and violent unless you have a predisposition to it. The baseball player probably had a lot of other issues he was dealing with and his use just made him a little more nuts.
I use juice and have friends who do too. We are very easygoing guys. The only time for agressiveness is in the gym. Ive never seen anyone personally get violent.
The media has never protrayed steroids in a good light. There was however a news show on nbc once a few years ago where doctors and the ama had no links to steroids as causes of death like so many people say as well.
what they didnt tell you about the baseball player was his mom and dad were going threw a divorce,him and his girlfriend were having problems he was slacking in school and he was going to lose his baseball scholership.these all came out in a interview with his girlfriend but they still blame it on steroids.thats why they only showed like 2 minutes of his parents saying it was steroids falt.
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thats why they only showed like 2 minutes of his parents saying it was steroids falt.
Of course, it could not have been any of their fault for raising a fucked up spoiled brat, with no idea what responsibility is.
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I still believe the “typical” steroid users are not the Jay Cutlers, Barry Bonds, or ArnoldJrs of the world. They are insecure, immature, ignorant (about usage, diet, exercise – all of it), and looking for a perceived quick easy way to achieve what is usually an unrealistic goal.
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I still believe the “typical” steroid users are not the Jay Cutlers, Barry Bonds, or ArnoldJrs of the world. They are insecure, immature, ignorant (about usage, diet, exercise – all of it), and looking for a perceived quick easy way to achieve what is usually an unrealistic goal.
I won't disagree with the fact that there are a bazillion of these types (idiots) around, and they very well may make up the majority of users (probably do). That said, I still believe that there are more of the other types of users out there then is let on. It's simply the fact that the "legitimate" "responsable" user does not go around making a public issue out of the matter, he doesn't act like an ass, he doesn't want to tell the world or otherwise he's thrown in the same pile as the bitch user.
Example conversations:
Q: Observer: so do you use steroids?
A: Ass-bag: fuck yeah I use them...I'm bigger then ever and I'm about to rage all over someones ass!
Q: Observer: So what do you take?
A: Ass-bag: dbol and some other stuff, not real sure what it's called. My boy gets it for me and all I know is it works.
Q: Observer: Do you cycle on and off?
A: Ass-bag: yeah man I cycle...uh, I mean, I think I do...what is cycling?
Conversation 2:
Q: Observer: so do you use steroids?
A: Real user: No.
Q: Observer: come on man I know you do, you can't look like that and not.
A: Real User: I said no.
Q: Observer: so you don't take anything?
A: Real user: just a multi-vit and some protein powder...other then that simply food...that's all you need.
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LOL "ass bag" and "bitch user", those are good ones and very fitting descriptions.
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I won't disagree with the fact that there are a bazillion of these types (idiots) around, and they very well may make up the majority of users (probably do). That said, I still believe that there are more of the other types of users out there then is let on. It's simply the fact that the "legitimate" "responsable" user does not go around making a public issue out of the matter, he doesn't act like an ass, he doesn't want to tell the world or otherwise he's thrown in the same pile as the bitch user.
Example conversations:
Q: Observer: so do you use steroids?
A: Ass-bag: f**k yeah I use them...I'm bigger then ever and I'm about to rage all over someones ass!
Q: Observer: So what do you take?
A: Ass-bag: dbol and some other stuff, not real sure what it's called. My boy gets it for me and all I know is it works.
Q: Observer: Do you cycle on and off?
A: Ass-bag: yeah man I cycle...uh, I mean, I think I do...what is cycling?
Conversation 2:
Q: Observer: so do you use steroids?
A: Real user: No.
Q: Observer: come on man I know you do, you can't look like that and not.
A: Real User: I said no.
Q: Observer: so you don't take anything?
A: Real user: just a multi-vit and some protein powder...other then that simply food...that's all you need.
Some people front like the AAS are making them rage and others are clearly raging because they are megadosing on AAS.
There are a couple obvious megadosing giants at my gym and when I see these guys train I'm waiting for one of them to drop dead from a coronary.
Hypertension and whatever else is wrong with them is written all over their faces.
Breathing is a chore for these guys, redface and clearly exhausted from compound movements for reps....
One of them gives me nasty looks because I'm a trainer, even though I'm the largest trainer there.......like I'm somehow below his level because I'm not using the type of dosages he is.
If I ever get that mentality, I know I've gone too far. :-\
DIV
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Steroids do not in themselves make you aggressive and violent unless you have a predisposition to it. The baseball player probably had a lot of other issues he was dealing with and his use just made him a little more nuts.
Amen.
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Society is strange. Our country is so harsh about steroids and say that they are so evil but if you look at most of us that use them we have great physiques few sides and not a lot of rage except when pressing the weights in the gym. Its the ones that dont know what their doing with it that have the problems. The government needs to look at other drugs and compare. Like alcohol. This is responsible for a lot more deaths, murders, car accidents and family problems than steroids has ever been not to mention the havoc it wreaks on ones body if over used. So should we make our vodka, beer etc illegal.
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Society is strange. Our country is so harsh about steroids and say that they are so evil but if you look at most of us that use them we have great physiques few sides and not a lot of rage except when pressing the weights in the gym. Its the ones that dont know what their doing with it that have the problems. The government needs to look at other drugs and compare. Like alcohol. This is responsible for a lot more deaths, murders, car accidents and family problems than steroids has ever been not to mention the havoc it wreaks on ones body if over used. So should we make our vodka, beer etc illegal.
I agree 100%...
Alcohol is by far the worst legal substance in the USA...perscription pills are getting out of hand as well. i know ALOT of people who are hooked on alcohol and/or pills.
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Not to mention nicotine another drug we decide to keep legal. Steroids are not like meth, coke, acid or alchohol wich allows you to loose control of your actions.
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There´s a lot of tax money in nicotine products and alcohol plus many politicians are hooked on perscription pills, booze and smoking so they will never ban those products. Steroids are just an easy target, that "they" can use to scare "tax-paying soccer moms", the thing that really gets me is that gear is used as a diversion, so that people don´t see the problems that need to be addressed or cannot be fixed without an real effort.
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There´s a lot of tax money in nicotine products and alcohol plus many politicians are hooked on perscription pills, booze and smoking so they will never ban those products. Steroids are just an easy target, that "they" can use to scare "tax-paying soccer moms", the thing that really gets me is that gear is used as a diversion, so that people don´t see the problems that need to be addressed or cannot be fixed without an real effort.
Very good post
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Its scarry how many people believe word for word what the media and govt say.
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Its scarry how many people believe word for word what the media and govt say.
& surprizing too.
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I loved that documentary. Basically after watching it I figured that I must be a gay, narcissistic, wrestling dickwad who is severly depressed.
I did think the wrestlers girlfriend was HOT!!!!
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I loved that documentary. Basically after watching it I figured that I must be a gay, narcissistic, wrestling dickwad who is severly depressed.
I did think the wrestlers girlfriend was HOT!!!!
i heard she brokeup with him because when they roll around in bed she would end up with puss from the acne all over that dude's body... lol
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Arnold jr. totally right about the real users we don't brag. I never tell anyone whom asks if I juice "yes I take steroids thats just common sense," only skinny fags with low-self esteem tell someone they juice.
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I think they used the wrong guys to protray steroid use. Two of them had not so great bodies (putting it lightly) The other guy that looked like he worked out and made it seem like he was just doing it temporarily LIE.
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Arnold jr. totally right about the real users we don't brag. I never tell anyone whom asks if I juice "yes I take steroids thats just common sense," only skinny fags with low-self esteem tell someone they juice.
I agree. I know quite a few people who are on gear but none of us brag about it. I'm more then happy to discuss steroids with others but I won't just randomly go up to people & say "I'm on... & this & ...".
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I agree. I know quite a few people who are on gear but none of us brag about it. I'm more then happy to discuss steroids with others but I won't just randomly go up to people & say "I'm on... & this & ...".
i refuse to tell anyone...it's none of their business!
apart from this forum and a few others, i've never admitted to using. people ask and make comments but i play them off pretty well.
i also don't go around preaching i'm a natural either...
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i also don't go around preaching i'm a natural either...
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I think I might hate these guys more then the dumb ass bitch users >:(
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i refuse to tell anyone...it's none of their business!
apart from this forum and a few others, i've never admitted to using. people ask and make comments but i play them off pretty well.
i also don't go around preaching i'm a natural either...
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Now don't get me wrong - I don't randomly tell people.
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i refuse to tell anyone...it's none of their business!
apart from this forum and a few others, i've never admitted to using. people ask and make comments but i play them off pretty well.
i also don't go around preaching i'm a natural either...
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Exactly.
I don't tell and people sure don't ask, either.
Then again, I don't have any noticeable, obvious sides, so there's no reason for them to suspect.
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I'm completely natural, and I have stupid idiots asking me if I'm on steroids...
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No doubt...this is with out question the "typical user who shouldn't", but it's also the only user you ever hear about on TV or in any media outlet. Every gym has some of these guys, they openly talk to everyone about their steroid use, and do so proudly...they are also the ones you see making total asses of themselves by way of acting like billygunns er uh, I mean billy bad ass ;)
MTV has now on more then one occasion painted the picture that people want to see when concerning steroids. Why not paint the correct picture for once? Again, yes there are plenty of people who fit the bill of the guys on this show, but their are plenty of the other types as well...many can be found on this board. BTW, I use the term "many" loosely, there are varying degrees.
why would someone boast about being on steroids? i don't get it.
you're all completely correct (as if anyone in the know were fooled). drugs like nicotine and alcohol are far far more destructive to individual and societal health and order than steroids ever were (this is an INDISPUTABLE FACT and i dare anyone to disprove it - $100 000 paypal right now to anyone that can) yet they are PROMOTED on television. hell, the very people that govern us tell us to have a 'drink' on certain occasions, toast this, toast that. i remember seeing a newly elected president celebrating victory on t.v with a glass of champagne in hand. of course we accept this as normal custom. shit, we even find a reason to drink it at religious ceremonies (supposed to rep the 'blood of christ' LMFAO) imagine if we saw the president popping dballs on the screen :o :-X. anadrol at holy communion anyone (wait for all the big ass born again christians at church twice on sundays ;D).
yet, here we have all these law enforcement agencies all woodied up to put bodybuliders and athletes, who harm no one, in jail so they can become hardened criminals. shit, maybe if titus didn't get sent to jail for it in the first place that young girl might still be alive. makes you think doesn't it ???
how do you respect/ place any credibility in a society that could be so hypocritical in it's persecution of it's own people? :-\
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how do you respect/ place any credibility in a society that could be so hypocritical in it's persecution of it's own people? :-\
Totally agree, you cant, people that lie or make thier own rules cant be trusted or respected, its a shame when its your own goverment that does it.
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Totally agree, you cant, people that lie or make thier own rules cant be trusted or respected, its a shame when its your own goverment that does it.
If we're going to get technical, you can't really trust anyone then, Hurt2Luv....
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I still believe the “typical” steroid users are not the Jay Cutlers, Barry Bonds, or ArnoldJrs of the world. They are insecure, immature, ignorant (about usage, diet, exercise – all of it), and looking for a perceived quick easy way to achieve what is usually an unrealistic goal.
I think that is pretty accurate
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I still believe the “typical” steroid users are not the Jay Cutlers, Barry Bonds, or ArnoldJrs of the world. They are insecure, immature, ignorant (about usage, diet, exercise – all of it), and looking for a perceived quick easy way to achieve what is usually an unrealistic goal.
Many of the AAS users at my gym are of the "plug 'n' play" variety as well. They think it's easy as just taking drugs for gains not realizing the other work that comes with it.
I think a good majority of AAS users are like this.
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If we're going to get technical, you can't really trust anyone then, Hurt2Luv....
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Yeah probally right, man I wanna trust someone.......
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Yeah probally right, man I wanna trust someone.......
Now do you understand why I nicknamed you "Hurt2Luv"?
It hurts to trust others because it can always come back to bite you in the end.
DIV
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It hurts to trust others because it can always come back to bite you in the end.
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I agree 100%...
that is why i only have about 3 friends whom i trust to a certian extent...
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I agree 100%...
that is why i only have about 3 friends whom i trust to a certian extent...
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Just do what I do: Trust everyone but only so far. Certain people only need to know certain things or a certain ammount of information.
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I agree 100%...
that is why i only have about 3 friends whom i trust to a certian extent...8)
You're smart.
I have no true friends, only acquaintances.
Just do what I do: Trust everyone but only so far. Certain people only need to know certain things or a certain ammount of information.
Even baby ewoks trusted Princess Leia.
I'm just not sure you're strong enough to avoid the temptation of a woman, Rimbauder.
DIV
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You're smart.
I have no true friends, only acquaintances.
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No offense but.
It does not surprise me, You seem like kind a "Loner"
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No offense but.
It does not surprise me, You seem like kind a "Loner"
No offense taken.
It takes a certain type of person to understand my ways, plus I'm very selective of who I trust.
It's better that way, trust me.
DIV
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No, I do hear and understand you, I have been major screwed by "best friends" but I'm not going to go in detail.
Lets just say, If I saw my best friend from High School, who was also my best man at my wedding, I'd probally be locked up for manslaughter.
Enough Said
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I won't disagree with the fact that there are a bazillion of these types (idiots) around, and they very well may make up the majority of users (probably do). That said, I still believe that there are more of the other types of users out there then is let on. It's simply the fact that the "legitimate" "responsable" user does not go around making a public issue out of the matter, he doesn't act like an ass, he doesn't want to tell the world or otherwise he's thrown in the same pile as the bitch user.
Example conversations:
Q: Observer: so do you use steroids?
A: Ass-bag: f**k yeah I use them...I'm bigger then ever and I'm about to rage all over someones ass!
Q: Observer: So what do you take?
A: Ass-bag: dbol and some other stuff, not real sure what it's called. My boy gets it for me and all I know is it works.
Q: Observer: Do you cycle on and off?
A: Ass-bag: yeah man I cycle...uh, I mean, I think I do...what is cycling?
Conversation 2:
Q: Observer: so do you use steroids?
A: Real user: No.
Q: Observer: come on man I know you do, you can't look like that and not.
A: Real User: I said no.
Q: Observer: so you don't take anything?
A: Real user: just a multi-vit and some protein powder...other then that simply food...that's all you need.
This is so completely accurate - unfortunately it is the loud mouth "ass bags" who get the most attention because they think it is a badge of honor or something to brag about their cycles to anyone who will listen.
Personally I take a different strategy so as to minimize the chance of ever being asked these questions (especially at the gym I belong to which is filled with jealous haters and over-zealous "naturals"). I make sure that from the moment I walk into the gym I have my MP3 player on w/headphones inserted and metal cranked, I also avoid eye-contact and "chit-chat" of any kind. I am probably perceived as an a**hole but so be it - I get work-outs completed efficiently and discourage "supplement" questions of any kind.
The gym is simply not a "social outlet" for me out of necessity. My goal is to get-in and get-out as efficiently as possible.
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No, I do hear and understand you, I have been major screwed by "best friends" but I'm not going to go in detail.
Lets just say, If I saw my best friend from High School, who was also my best man at my wedding, I'd probally be locked up for manslaughter.
Enough Said
So you've been assraped by some of your closest friends over the years?
Please, let's have some details.
Was it that your best man at your wedding was pounding your wife to be on the side without your knowledge?
DIV
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Mostly money issues,
I loaned him 30,000.00 for his down payment on his house, in which he never made a payment, the bank forclosed and as far as I know he moved to somewhere in Canada.
I lost another "friend of 10 years over 1,200.00 it wasn't a big deal but he continued to lie about about having the money and avoiding me. All he had to do was be honest and I would have understood 100%, I know shit happens and things come up.
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Mostly money issues,
I loaned him 30,000.00 for his down payment on his house, in which he never made a payment, the bank forclosed and as far as I know he moved to somewhere in Canada.
I lost another "friend of 10 years over 1,200.00 it wasn't a big deal but he continued to lie about about having the money and avoiding me. All he had to do was be honest and I would have understood 100%, I know shit happens and things come up.
Money can break friendships, no doubt...I've been down that road myself, although not to the extreme of helping to buy a house.
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Lets just say, If I saw my best friend from High School, who was also my best man at my wedding, I'd probally be locked up for manslaughter.
I don't think it'd be manslaughter if they read this thread...maybe you could get the DA down to 2nd Degree murder. Don't worry, I'll sneak you in cigarettes & porn...so you'll be rich. ;D
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Money can break friendships, no doubt...I've been down that road myself, although not to the extreme of helping to buy a house.
I couldn't agree more. It came between me & my old best friend. It was only $1000 but I was a poor college kid back then so it might as well have been one million.
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I couldn't agree more. It came between me & my old best friend. It was only $1000 but I was a poor college kid back then so it might as well have been one million.
Same with me. I was 18 and I loaned a $1000 to an old friend to help him buy a truck. He did eventually pay me back...over a year later, and that would have been fine but it was the fact that he did not hold to our original agreement that pissed me off...and there was absolutely no reason for him not to stick to the agreement. He was supposed to pay me $100/wk until it was paid, he had a job and lived at home with his dad, so there was no reason that he couldn't pay me back on time...except that he kept blowing all his money drinking and smoking everything under the sun. After a year I got fed up and pretty much demanded the money...yeah, I did threaten the guy in a few ways but he did pay me in the end...we haven't spoken since. Last I heard he still lives the same way he did when we were 18, just eeking by.
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Same with me. I was 18 and I loaned a $1000 to an old friend to help him buy a truck. He did eventually pay me back...over a year later, and that would have been fine but it was the fact that he did not hold to our original agreement that pissed me off...and there was absolutely no reason for him not to stick to the agreement. He was supposed to pay me $100/wk until it was paid, he had a job and lived at home with his dad, so there was no reason that he couldn't pay me back on time...except that he kept blowing all his money drinking and smoking everything under the sun. After a year I got fed up and pretty much demanded the money...yeah, I did threaten the guy in a few ways but he did pay me in the end...we haven't spoken since. Last I heard he still lives the same way he did when we were 18, just eeking by.
Wow. My budy got in a jam & I help him with about $1000 (rent, car, & traffic tickets). He was supposed to pay me back within a month - he was going to get the money from his parents. We were roommates at the time & I wasn't too worried about it. Well, he wrote me three different checks & each bounced. I ended up demanding the money plus bank fees (which were over $150). If I remember correctly I made a few threats. I think I eventually got about half the money I was owed back. It was too bad because he was like a brother to me. In hind sight we should've never been roommates in college (that basically destroyed out friendship).
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These posts remind me why i live alone. EVERY time i move in with a friend we end up hating each other or he owes me money...my best friend who was a brother to me was using my car storage for free. i had an old mustang in there with plenty of room so i figured i'd be nice and let him store his car in there for free. big mistake, BOTH cars came up stolen and he purchased a brand new truck 6 months later with cash...hmmm
The older i get, the less friends i have because i've learned to trust nobody...like Div said i mainly have acquaintances and i've always been a loner, which i actually enjoy. apart from my girlfriend i don't even invite people to my home. if i want to hang out i go to their place.
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I'm just not sure you're strong enough to avoid the temptation of a woman, Rimbauder.
I can...sometimes.
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Im seeing some similiarities in my personality and experiences in all these stories. Ive become somewhat of a loner myself and have had shitty experiences with friends screwing me over. I hangout/trust about a handfull of people mainly my family and about 1 other guy I know. Is there a trend here among steroid users/bber weighlifters? I just thought it was interesting how similar everyones experiences are on this board.
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These posts remind me why i live alone. EVERY time i move in with a friend we end up hating each other or he owes me money...my best friend who was a brother to me was using my car storage for free. i had an old mustang in there with plenty of room so i figured i'd be nice and let him store his car in there for free. big mistake, BOTH cars came up stolen and he purchased a brand new truck 6 months later with cash...hmmm
The older i get, the less friends i have because i've learned to trust nobody...like Div said i mainly have acquaintances and i've always been a loner, which i actually enjoy. apart from my girlfriend i don't even invite people to my home. if i want to hang out i go to their place.
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Ever since I got out of the military, I've lived alone.
I will ALWAYS live alone.
I don't need the drama.......I'm too old for that shit.
I won't even invite a woman over unless she's a girlfriend.
People are just too immature nowadays, so I'm careful who I let get close to me.
"The more we grow.
The more we know.
The less we show."
DIV
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I'm just not sure you're strong enough to avoid the temptation of a woman, Rimbauder.
DIV
I can...sometimes.
Gosh! I sure hope you do now!
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I hate more than anything people knocking on my door/ringing my doorbell when Im not expecting anyone. Hell I barely answer the phone. It all just seems like intrusion.
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This is so completely accurate - unfortunately it is the loud mouth "ass bags" who get the most attention because they think it is a badge of honor or something to brag about their cycles to anyone who will listen.
Personally I take a different strategy so as to minimize the chance of ever being asked these questions (especially at the gym I belong to which is filled with jealous haters and over-zealous "naturals"). I make sure that from the moment I walk into the gym I have my MP3 player on w/headphones inserted and metal cranked, I also avoid eye-contact and "chit-chat" of any kind. I am probably perceived as an a**hole but so be it - I get work-outs completed efficiently and discourage "supplement" questions of any kind.
The gym is simply not a "social outlet" for me out of necessity. My goal is to get-in and get-out as efficiently as possible.
Very true, I pretty much do the same. You can see the guys who stand around and BS, they look like it too. Not enough hard training going on, some guys gear up and still half ass thier workouts, now that is a joke. Used to train with this big Russian dude and if you started to BS too much for his likes he would say "STFU and do your set"!
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Very true, I pretty much do the same. You can see the guys who stand around and BS, they look like it too. Not enough hard training going on, some guys gear up and still half ass thier workouts, now that is a joke. Used to train with this big Russian dude and if you started to BS too much for his likes he would say "STFU and do your set"!
That's the type of training partner everyone needs.
I'm self-motivated so I don't use a partner.
It'd be nice for spots, though.....
DIV
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I think most users, even on the discussion forums, are very unsafe. Yesterday on steroid.com, someone was saying you can do 2g a week of tren, if you get bloodwork, etc, and are careful.
I asked for his bloodwork.
He said he didn't have a copy on hand, etc, his dog ate it, blah blah blah....
I think that people know what it is to do steroids responsibly, but just don't follow that route. It makes things very difficult when trying to fight media stereotypes....when even on the forums which espouse responsible use, people don't actually practice it.
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That's the type of training partner everyone needs.
I'm self-motivated so I don't use a partner.
It'd be nice for spots, though.....
DIV
Yeah I like to train by myself mostly too. But once in a while if the opportunity is there to work with someone further advanced and I feel it can help my training I will train with someone for a while.
I do less forced reps nowadays (maybe a couple sets every other workout or so) but yes good spotters that know what they are doing are hard to find in my gym. How could someone not get the concept behind a proper assist? Most give either too much or not enough help
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I make sure that from the moment I walk into the gym I have my MP3 player on w/headphones inserted and metal cranked, I also avoid eye-contact and "chit-chat" of any kind. I am probably perceived as an a**hole but so be it - I get work-outs completed efficiently and discourage "supplement" questions of any kind.
The gym is simply not a "social outlet" for me out of necessity. My goal is to get-in and get-out as efficiently as possible.
This describes me to a "T."
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That's the type of training partner everyone needs.
I'm self-motivated so I don't use a partner.
It'd be nice for spots, though.....
DIV
I went back to training alone this past year (Feb 06) after having a training partner for the last 4 years prior. The only time I miss my old training partner is on leg day when a spotter really comes in handy on heavy sets. Previous to having a training partner I trained alone for the better part of 8+ years. I have to say that I will probably never go back to lifting with a partner again. The competitiveness between us rose to an unhealthy level and I SOOOOOO prefer training alone now and listening to my own music and working totally around my own schedule. I am actually more motivated to make gains now that I am by myself in a new gym as the negativity I was dealing has been removed.
If you cannot find self-motivation from within I do not believe you will progress long-term in bodybuilding.
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I think most users, even on the discussion forums, are very unsafe. Yesterday on steroid.com, someone was saying you can do 2g a week of tren, if you get bloodwork, etc, and are careful.
I asked for his bloodwork.
He said he didn't have a copy on hand, etc, his dog ate it, blah blah blah....
I think that people know what it is to do steroids responsibly, but just don't follow that route. It makes things very difficult when trying to fight media stereotypes....when even on the forums which espouse responsible use, people don't actually practice it.
Good points. I wonder how many people on here actually do exactly what they say they do? I for one always do what I say, but I do not always give out the same advice to some one else...I much much more reserved with my advice on here in relation to what I do myself.
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Good points. I wonder how many people on here actually do exactly what they say they do? I for one always do what I say, but I do not always give out the same advice to some one else...I much much more reserved with my advice on here in relation to what I do myself.
Good point. I myself do what I say as well.
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Yeah I like to train by myself mostly too. But once in a while if the opportunity is there to work with someone further advanced and I feel it can help my training I will train with someone for a while.
I do less forced reps nowadays (maybe a couple sets every other workout or so) but yes good spotters that know what they are doing are hard to find in my gym. How could someone not get the concept behind a proper assist? Most give either too much or not enough help
That's the thing. At my gym there are few people who know how to spot and understand the terminology I use, nor many who are strong enough lifters to properly spot the type of weight I use anyway.
Sometimes, I can't do that 1RM because I'm not willing to risk injury from a bad spotter.
......and I use great form, too.
If I was doing shitty concentric movement without negatives, I'd have been injured by now trusting some of these guys.
I went back to training alone this past year (Feb 06) after having a training partner for the last 4 years prior. The only time I miss my old training partner is on leg day when a spotter really comes in handy on heavy sets. Previous to having a training partner I trained alone for the better part of 8+ years. I have to say that I will probably never go back to lifting with a partner again. The competitiveness between us rose to an unhealthy level and I SOOOOOO prefer training alone now and listening to my own music and working totally around my own schedule. I am actually more motivated to make gains now that I am by myself in a new gym as the negativity I was dealing has been removed.
If you cannot find self-motivation from within I do not believe you will progress long-term in bodybuilding.
Self-motivation is what lifting is all about.
I'm not even a bodybuilder persay, at least not in the competitive sense.
I lift for strength and the natural high I receive from pushing weight.
What separates those who have the love from those who don't is training when you feel like shit....
You know, that Wednesday when you don't feel mentally in to it, but your body is capable......the ability to push past that plateau and get the most out of that workout.
That is what I pride myself in.
Good points. I wonder how many people on here actually do exactly what they say they do? I for one always do what I say, but I do not always give out the same advice to some one else...I much much more reserved with my advice on here in relation to what I do myself.
I do what I say.
I say what I do.
Right now I'm running 500MG Sustanon ew/ 100MG Tren ed....
On training days I'll run 50MG Winstrol -or- 40MG Halo, depending on what I feel like.
I've stayed true and I've never megadosed....
DIV
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On training days I'll run 50MG Winstrol -or- 40MG Halo, depending on what I feel like.
DIV
On those days, what would make you pick winny over halo? If you're going to use those why not just pick one?
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On those days, what would make you pick winny over halo? If you're going to use those why not just pick one?
Simple.
If it's going to be a heavy workout or just a low energy day I'll use Halo because it keeps me primed and aggressive.
If I feel good energy-wise and just need an anabolic kick, I'll use the Winstrol.
Both of these drugs react differently in my body.
On Halo I feel like a bull and I notice that I get full burn on every rep of every set......right down to the eccentric movement.
On Winstrol, I feel more like a horse, where my muscular endurance is higher even if my strength isn't quite as primed.
Very subtle differences I've noticed from experience.
Listen to your body and it will tell you what to run.
DIV
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On Winstrol, I feel more like a horse, where my muscular endurance is higher even if my strength isn't quite as primed.
Very subtle differences I've noticed from experience.
Listen to your body and it will tell you what to run.
DIV
Very interesting and accurate observation. Used Winstol 50mg/ED for 6 weeks + 550mg Andropen/wk during a leaning out phase this past summer. Even on the days where I was hungry as hell and running on 100-150g carbs I was still able to push out set after set of 8-12 reps at about 90% of my normal strength. I went from 247lb to 219lb during this period and although I did drop a bit of strength my endurance did not seem affected in the least. This was my first experience with Winstrol and definitely will not be my last - made training on restricted calories tolerable.
The only 2 downsides I experienced from Winstrol were muscle cramping (especially at night time in my arms) and when I came off the 6 week cycle I had an acne breakout on my back that was horrific. I get the usual bacne on top of shoulder blades from the Andropen but for about a week after coming off Winny I had acne from top to bottom on my back - it was disgusting and painful.
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Simple.
If it's going to be a heavy workout or just a low energy day I'll use Halo because it keeps me primed and aggressive.
If I feel good energy-wise and just need an anabolic kick, I'll use the Winstrol.
Both of these drugs react differently in my body.
On Halo I feel like a bull and I notice that I get full burn on every rep of every set......right down to the eccentric movement.
On Winstrol, I feel more like a horse, where my muscular endurance is higher even if my strength isn't quite as primed.
Very subtle differences I've noticed from experience.
Listen to your body and it will tell you what to run.
DIV
O.K. I'll buy that.
However, like most people, and it's probably the same with you, legs and back take the most out of you, chest and shoulders not as much. So you have the option of going with a horse or a gorilla on the "harder" days, but even if it is an "easier" day you still want your intensity to be as high as possible. If it were me, and if I were on cycle, I'd be unleashing the "gorilla" every time...why deprive your self of some fun?
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O.K. I'll buy that.
However, like most people, and it's probably the same with you, legs and back take the most out of you, chest and shoulders not as much. So you have the option of going with a horse or a gorilla on the "harder" days, but even if it is an "easier" day you still want your intensity to be as high as possible. If it were me, and if I were on cycle, I'd be unleashing the "gorilla" every time...why deprive your self of some fun?
I'm going by how my body feels.
Legs and shoulders take the most out of me.
Some days the mental focus and aggression is more important for the workout I'm doing, whereas other days if I'm feeling primed, I'll just use the Winstrol for some anabolic kick.
I won't use Halo all the time because I want to change things up and not let my body adapt to it.
The Halotestin I have is prescription and the highest quality so I'm not going to use it up like candy.
Most people can't even get pharmaceutical grade Halo manufactured by Upsher-Smith.
DIV
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You know what is kind of weird and you guys prob will laugh but creatine supercharges my biceps for some reason. I have been on the sauce for last 2 months biceps feeling basically the same not that much increase, I started up creatine last week and my biceps strength and endurance has gone up dramatically without question. It's weird that creatine has such an affect on me and especially my biceps.... not that i'm complaining
Anyone respond like this?
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You know what is kind of weird and you guys prob will laugh but creatine supercharges my biceps for some reason. I have been on the sauce for last 2 months biceps feeling basically the same not that much increase, I started up creatine last week and my biceps strength and endurance has gone up dramatically without question. It's weird that creatine has such an affect on me and especially my biceps.... not that i'm complaining
Anyone respond like this?
I do...
i have always made impressive gains off creatine. i guess i'm a hyper responder to it.
my strength goes up, my energy increases and my stamina gets a boost as well. i always start taking creatine during my PCT and use it until i go back on cycle.
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You know what is kind of weird and you guys prob will laugh but creatine supercharges my biceps for some reason. I have been on the sauce for last 2 months biceps feeling basically the same not that much increase, I started up creatine last week and my biceps strength and endurance has gone up dramatically without question. It's weird that creatine has such an affect on me and especially my biceps.... not that i'm complaining
Anyone respond like this?
No. Creatine makes me bloated & upsets my stomach. I've tried several brands & types & always the same response.
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No. Creatine makes me bloated & upsets my stomach. I've tried several brands & types & always the same response.
Some of my friends have the same issue...
I honestly can't figure out why some people get results but others get nothing...odd.
i can feel it kicking in around the 4th week...i've used it off and on for 7 years and always gotten results.
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You know what is kind of weird and you guys prob will laugh but creatine supercharges my biceps for some reason. I have been on the sauce for last 2 months biceps feeling basically the same not that much increase, I started up creatine last week and my biceps strength and endurance has gone up dramatically without question. It's weird that creatine has such an affect on me and especially my biceps.... not that i'm complaining
Anyone respond like this?
The AAS increase the effectivness of the creatine, making it work that much better.
It's very much the same as when people stack AAS with GH......they work towards the same goal, so they are syngergistic.
DIV