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Ronnie would get crushed.
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He is strong but too short for some of the`` exercises`` of strongman competition.
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Marius is only a few inches taller so i don't think height would be a problem as opposed to Coleman working on speed and agility as well as familiarity & exposure to each event.
I mentioned this to Brian Dobson a while back, as something to consider but only after BB retirement. The problem there of course that he'll probably be in his mid-late 40s. Not necessarily a major impediment though, lots of the strong men seem to be in their 30s or older.
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This topic has been beaten to death already. In my opinion, he would do allright in powerlifting but would get crushed in strongman due to the stamina issues he would have.
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This topic has been beaten to death already. In my opinion, he would do allright in powerlifting but would get crushed in strongman due to the stamina issues he would have.
As i said as a former linebacker, practice/familiarity with the events and speed, agility and endurance work would aclimate him to while lowering the weight, given sufficient prep time.
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As i said, as a former linebacker with obvious athleticism, if he practiced the events and worked on speed and agility for a while, his weight would come down and stamina would improve given sufficient time to adjust and train for it.
He would get crushed beleive me.
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He would get crushed beleive me.
Pure speculation; makes no sense that Columbu could do it and not Coleman; once an athlete always an athlete, given sufficient prep time and specific training.
There is no way to know in advance what his coordination, speed, etc. would be without doing it.
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I think he would do okay but bear in mind most of these guys are well over 6 foot with wide frames to match. Ronnie would do okay in the static stuff but the more mobile events he wouldn't stand a chance. His lack of aerobic fitness woud sorely let him down.
Remember Curtis Leffler from a few years back tried it and failed miserably. I don't think he even make the final.
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he would do okay in a few events, but he'd get absolutely demolished in any event that wasn't basically a barbell lift. i'd give him the deadlift, maybe the farmer's walk, the barrel squat. but he'll get killed in the fingers, the atlas stones, the log lift, the tire flip, anchor carry, etc.
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He realisticly could be a little competitive if he trained for it at a time when he was in his early 40s.
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The guy can't shave himself yet he'll able to complete in a strong man competition ???
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he would do okay in a few events, but he'd get absolutely demolished in any event that wasn't basically a barbell lift.
How do you know that?
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How do you know that?
because he doesn't train for the others, dingus. he's not the strongest in any of the main lifts, let alone in any of the goofy lifts they make strongman competitors do. just because he can heave-row 495 for a few and deadlift 805 with straps doesn't mean he'd be able to do the barrel throw or fingal fingers. Even the best powerlifters get their asses handed to them in strongman until they've been doing it for a while.
honestly i'd think his heavy reliance on straps would ruin him as well. he never does rows, shrugs, pulldowns, or deadlifts without straps, so his grip is probably shite.
ronnie coleman, weighing over 300 pounds ripped, has not one lift that would pass in a powerlifting competition. giving him the benefit of the doubt he might have a deadlift in the low 700s and a squat around the same, with maybe a 500 bench raw. Now a 1900 total isn't anything terrible, but consider brian siders.
siders is a guy who has a squat in the 800s, a 650 bench, and a dead also around the 800 mark, logging a total over 2300 in the NERB raw competition. his strongman performances have been good, but he's not going to fight mariusz any time soon. granted that's in a different strongman fed, and maybe ronnie would do all right in the other, but i doubt that as well since he just doesn't do those lifts.
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because he doesn't train for the others, dingus.
Lame assumptions. You don't seem to comprehend that once an athlete, always an athlete. Stop with the assumptions that since he only lifts now, that's all he can do-those are your limitations, not his.
If he had time to bring the weight down, increase/work on speed and work on the specifics of the events, there's no reason not to think that he couldn't marry decent agility/speed with good strength.
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I think if Ronnie trained for it for a reasonable period of time he could do very well.
Frankly, I hope Ronnie reads this and decides to give it a try once he retires from bodybuilding. I, for one, would LOVE to see it.
Chris
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Lame assumptions. You don't seem to comprehend that once an athlete, always an athlete. Stop with the assumptions that since he only lifts now, that's all he can do-those are your limitations, not his.
If he had time to bring the weight down, increase/work on speed and work on the specifics of the events, there's no reason not to think that he couldn't marry decent agility/speed with good strength.
are you kidding me? you honestly think that because he's a pretty strong bodybuilder that he'd be able to beat the people who have trained for this and are the best at it? first off, he's in his 40s. it's not like he has half a decade to get good at the lifts. secondly, that means he's been training as he has for what, 20 years or so? he might be able to get pretty good at it, but i do not foresee ronnie coleman ever competing in the finals of a competition.
by your logic if any of the top powerlifters dieted down and started training for bodybuilding they'd compete in the olympia. bodybuilding and strongman have so little correlation in terms of training that even suggesting that being good at one means you'd be good at the other is like saying if i'm good at baseball i'd be good at tennis.
you ronnie dickriders need to stop acting like just because he's strong that means he could do literally anything. hey wait, i'll bet he'd be a great football lineman, too. bet he'd kick ass at hockey. and you know if he slimmed down to 215 or so he'd have the olympic record in the 100m dash. ::)
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Blacks usually suck at the strongman contests. They have no stamina.
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are you kidding me? you honestly think that because he's a pretty strong bodybuilder that he'd be able to beat the people who have trained for this and are the best at it? first off, he's in his 40s. it's not like he has half a decade to get good at the lifts. secondly, that means he's been training as he has for what, 20 years or so? he might be able to get pretty good at it, but i do not foresee ronnie coleman ever competing in the finals of a competition.
by your logic if any of the top powerlifters dieted down and started training for bodybuilding they'd compete in the olympia. bodybuilding and strongman have so little correlation in terms of training that even suggesting that being good at one means you'd be good at the other is like saying if i'm good at baseball i'd be good at tennis.
you ronnie dickriders need to stop acting like just because he's strong that means he could do literally anything. hey wait, i'll bet he'd be a great football lineman, too. bet he'd kick ass at hockey. and you know if he slimmed down to 215 or so he'd have the olympic record in the 100m dash. ::)
ronnie could easily beat Ina Thorpe iof he decided to take up swimming,
hell, I think he might just win an oscar for next dvd, ::)
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Ronnie's grip is supposedly pretty good actually. I can't remember how exactly, but it was verified that he has an incredibly strong grip. Maybe someone here remembers more details of that.
i remember gunter closed the CoC #3 on his first attempt, which was pretty ridiculous.
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are you kidding me? you honestly think that because he's a pretty strong bodybuilder that he'd be able to beat the people who have trained for this and are the best at it?
In your continued naivete you make the silly assumption that the other guys in WSM are sitting there practicing the events year-round. I have news for you, they're not, and aren't doing much differently most of the year. Why your dulusions lead you to think otherwise is really funny.
With the same kind of prep they do Coleman would be in the game. The only real con is his age, which you only mentioned after i brought it up, genius. ;D
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Blacks usually suck at the strongman contests. They have no stamina.
Getbig's Jimmy the Greek. "The blacks". ::)
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In your continued naivete you make the silly assumption that the other guys in WSM are sitting there practicing the events year-round. I have news for you, they're not, and aren't doing much differently most of the year. Why your dulusions lead you to think otherwise is really funny.
With the same kind of prep they do Coleman would be in the game. The only real con is his age, which you only mentioned after i brought it up, genius. ;D
wow, you're wrong. as in very wrong. yes strongman guys use barbells, but do you think they're doing lateral raises and incline benches? bodybuilding, powerlifting, strongman, and olympic training are all completely different. an aptitude in one rarely if ever translates to an aptitude in another, particularly with a pair as completely different as bodybuilding and strongman.
that's why you have a guy like shane hamman who was setting records in powerlifting but can't break into the medal-grabbers in oly lifting. that's why guys like siders are top-level powerlifters but are struggling in strongman. there is absolutely no reason to think coleman would succeed in strongman aside from the fact that he's somewhat strong in gym lifts.
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Ronnie is an extremely strong man, however his problem would be just a lack of experience in strongman events. Guys like Mariusz etc have been training and competing for years in these strongmen shows.
While i believe Ronnie does have the basic strength to potentially do OK and not embarrass himself there is no way without the years of experience of competing in these events would he be able to take on the best in the world over 10 very differing events.
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Ronnie is an extremely strong man, however his problem would be just a lack of experience in strongman events. Guys like Mariusz etc have been training and competing for years in these strongmen shows.
Exactly my point, the one that keeps going over the dizzy head of aptly-named "Magoo".
The main issue with Coleman would be to acquire experience with the specific skills required of the events, nothing more. "Magoo" meanwhile, keeps trying to make this more complicated and can't comprehend the basic fundamental reality that Coleman's right there with the other guys already in WSM when it comes to the other factors. Duh! ::)
As far as how long that would take, there's no way to presume that it would take years or months, because none of the WSM guys practice the events more than a short period of time each year. I'd say a few months, more than what the WSM experienced contestants are doing, would be enough to address most of the inexperience he doesn't yet have. It's not rocket science, except to some here. ;D
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Exactly my point, the one that keeps going over the dizzy head of aptly-named "Magoo". The main issue with Coleman would be to acquire experience with the specific skills required of the events, nothing more. "Magoo" meanwhile, keeps trying to make this more complicated and can't comprehend the basic fundamental reality that Coleman's right there with the other guys already in WSM when it comes to the other factors. Duh! ::)
but i thought you said...
In your continued naivete you make the silly assumption that the other guys in WSM are sitting there practicing the events year-round. I have news for you, they're not, and aren't doing much differently most of the year.
and wait, i remember saying...
because he doesn't train for the others, dingus. he's not the strongest in any of the main lifts, let alone in any of the goofy lifts they make strongman competitors do. just because he can heave-row 495 for a few and deadlift 805 with straps doesn't mean he'd be able to do the barrel throw or fingal fingers. Even the best powerlifters get their asses handed to them in strongman until they've been doing it for a while.
so from the beginning i've been saying he's very strong but doesn't have the experience in the strongman events to do well. you disagree with me, then take my position and claim i was saying something else. survey says: you're an idiot. ::)
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Ronnie is 5'11 - isn't Mariusz at a height disadvantage even at 6'1? Guys on average are around 6'3 or so in these contests aren't they?
As i said, Coleman's shorter but not by much than Mariusz, who is shorter than most of them, which proves that height is not necessarily an advantage because it's compensated for by speed and agility.
The height disadvantage might be more of a factor if some of the events didn't incorporate a need for speed, and focused more on pure power.
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so from the beginning i've been saying he's very strong but doesn't have the experience in the strongman events to do well. you disagree with me, then take my position and claim i was saying something else. survey says: you're an idiot.
"Magoo" spending paragraph after long-winded paragraph to say something, who knows what amidst all the blathering? Who wants to read all this meandering crap?
My posts are far more efficient; it's called common sense from someone who knows what it is to be an athlete as well as a lifter. No need to speculate in my case. hahahahahaha
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Ronnie is 5'11 - isn't Mariusz at a height disadvantage even at 6'1? Guys on average are around 6'3 or so in these contests aren't they?
yeah, and 5'11" might even be pushing it. strongman events are kinda biased towards the tall. if you're under six feet tall the fingal fingers are damn near impossible, guys like phil phister and jesse marunde are terrors at them because they're 6'5" plus. same with the atlas stones thanks to the tall podiums.
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"Magoo" spending paragraph after long-winded paragraph to say something, who knows what amidst all the blathering? Who wants to read all this meandering crap?
My posts are far more efficient; it's called common sense from someone who knows what it is to be an athlete as well as a lifter. No need to speculate in my case. hahahahahaha
and thank you for agreeing that i was right and you're a moron. very efficient. ;)
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yeah, and 5'11" might even be pushing it. strongman events are kinda biased towards the tall. if you're under six feet tall the fingal fingers are damn near impossible, guys like phil phister and jesse marunde are terrors at them because they're 6'5" plus. same with the atlas stones thanks to the tall podiums.
Again more speculation. Mariusz should've forced him to re-think these canned assumptions about height yet he goes on and on about how height would make a difference. ::)
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Again more speculation. Mariusz should make the guy re-think these canned assumptions yet he goes on and on about how height would make a difference. ::)
we've established that you're a dope, but i'll try anyway. mariusz is an exception to the rule and is still at least three inches above ronnie. and keep in mind ronnie's best lifts are still behind most of these guys. ronnie can squat 800 for two with tight wraps and a suit. mariusz squats in the 700 for reps raw.
so at the end of the day ronnie would need time to get his gym lifts up to par with the rest, learn ALL of the strongman events, and overcome the massive leverage disadvantage he has. this would take a long time. like i said at the BEGINNING, he'd do well in lower-level events, but we're not going to see him up against svend karlsen or any of those guys.
EDIT: why the hell am i debating with a guy who brags about how much he can lift a bowflex?? what the fuck could you possibly have to tell me about strength training?
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"Magoo" with another long-winded blather about nothing - he's the only one that spends this much time debating with himself, because he can't comprehend what is simplicity to others here....*yawn* "Magoo" living up to the buddlement expected of the name; excellent job.
"Magoo" monster predictable worthless comeback line: "you're a moron". ::) Wow that really hurts. hahahaahahahahahahah
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So are we all agreed that ronnie probably has the basic core strength - just not the experiance/height or time at his age to get the experiance?
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Ronnie with training would probably very good at it- at a local level. He just is too short. He would never be able to compete with the guys who have more height and even more importantly longer reach. The Atlas Stones you need long arms to wrap around the stones. Fingal Fingers you need height for leverage. Large hands also are a requisite. Ronnie would suffer severe handicaps in these areas.
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"Magoo" with another long-winded blather about nothing - he's the only one that spends this much time debating with himself, because he can't comprehend what is simplicity to others here....*yawn* "Magoo" living up to the buddlement expected of the name; excellent job.
"Magoo" monster predictable worthless comeback line: "you're a moron". ::) Wow that really hurts. hahahaahahahahahahah
go back to your bowflex, kid. i'm sure your prowess with its patented Power RodŽ resistance has built you into a finely tuned athletic miracle. ::)
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So are we all agreed that ronnie probably has the basic core strength - just not the experiance/height or time at his age to get the experiance?
Totally, as of a page ago, except for this "Magoo" dolt.
The only issues are (1) how long it would take him to get up to speed with specific skills, and (2) age.
On specific skills, i'm sure that this is quite the part-time thing for all WSM contestants. If Coleman really took the time and spent more than a normal allotment of time on this, I don't see why he'd be at much of a disadvantage. Especially in the 2nd year of WSM.
Height maybe a little but Mariusz isn't much taller. The shorter guys should have advantages to offset the height issue, given that some of the events are more than just pure power.
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Blacks usually suck at the strongman contests. They have no stamina.
Errrrrrr, tell that to the Nigerians who are the best distance runners in the world.
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Errrrrrr, tell that to the Nigerians who are the best distance runners in the world.
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you mean Ethiopians and Kenyans.
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you mean Ethiopians and Kenyans.
I think all 3 groups are quite good.
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Ronnie with training would probably very good at it- at a local level. He just is too short. He would never be able to compete with the guys who have more height and even more importantly longer reach.
More assumptions. Mariusz doesn't have height or reach advantages either.
Coleman has the most fundamental elements-great strength, inherent athleticism and intensity. All the rest is speculation that would only be answered in competition. Columbu & Ferrigno did fine with much less than Coleman, which is why it would be interesting to see as long as he was already familiar and comfortable with the techniques required of the events, and had lost enough weight to be mobile.
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More assumptions. Mariusz doesn't have height or reach advantages either.
Coleman has the most fundamental elements-great strength, inherent athleticism and intensity. All the rest is speculation that would only be answered in competition. Columbu & Ferrigno did fine with much less than Coleman, which is why it would be interesting to see as long as he was already familiar and comfortable with the techniques required of the events, and had lost enough weight to be mobile.
He is 6'1" and has long arms and big hands. All things that Ronnie lacks. No assumptions.
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More assumptions. Mariusz doesn't have height or reach advantages either.
Coleman has the most fundamental elements-great strength, inherent athleticism and intensity. All the rest is speculation that would only be answered in competition. Columbu & Ferrigno did fine with much less than Coleman, which is why it would be interesting to see as long as he was already familiar and comfortable with the techniques required of the events, and had lost enough weight to be mobile.
Ferrigno and Franco didn't do the events we see today WSM comps. How exactly did a 6'4" 275 pound Ferrigno have "much less" than Ronnie Coleman?
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Errrrrrr, tell that to the Nigerians who are the best distance runners in the world.
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You're talking about Kenyans. I'm talking about American blacks. ::)
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Ferrigno and Franco didn't do the events we see today WSM comps. How exactly did a 6'4" 275 pound Ferrigno have "much less" than Ronnie Coleman?
Very shaky reasoning for excluding someone with a lot more power and athleticism than them. Ferrigno's maxes were nowherer near Coleman's, and he clumsy relative to someone shorter with an athletic background. Ferrigno couldn't even make the cut as a lineman in the CFL with the Argos in the 70s despite a huge size advantage.
He is 6'1" and has long arms and big hands. All things that Ronnie lacks
According to this thinking, Columbu should have stuck to the junior leagues and never entered WSM. Don't give the excuse that "the events were different" they weren't previously designed for short-limbed people and now designed for long-limbed people that's insane. ::) Coleman's arms are plenty long, probably similar to Mariusz despite the height difference actually.
Bottom line:
Not only would it would intriguing to see, it would be extremely good publicity both for Coleman & BB in the same way that Columbu & Ferrigno increased the cachet of BB in the 70s with WSM. Up until that time, it was felt that BBs were largely incapable of serious strength or athleticism.
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An athlete is always an athlete?
Michael Jordan.
Basketball.
Baseball.
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An athlete is always an athlete?
Michael Jordan.
Basketball.
Baseball.
My answer to that is Bo Jackson, Deon Sanders & Jim Brown, all of whom mastered two sports. ;D
Poor analogy; baseball had nothing to do with Jordan's experience and required a very specific skills set that had nothing to do with basketball-a big difference. Would have taken more time than he gave to develop. Mastering the nuances of baseball is not the same as the athleticism he would have already had in general things like running bases or throwing.
Conversely, WSM skills are not a world apart from lifter's experiences, as illustrated by the success of Columbu & Ferrigno and in fact ALL WSM contestants, none of whom specialize in WSM events the rest of the year. Not a big stretch to go from one to the other, given sufficient prep.
Bottom line:
Unless he was a complete flop (very unlikely given the success of less athletic BBs like Ferrigno in WSM) it would be huge positive publicity for BB & Coleman, to new audiences.
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I don't buy the "once an athlete always and athlete" analogy, Ronnie gave that up when he decided to give up football for bodybuilding, IMO (and I've never seen it proved otherwise) that bodybuilders especially ones that weigh 330 in the offseason cannot make a successful transition from bodybuilding to functional training without having some injuries on the way, like torn muscles, tendons, legaments, etc, if Ronnie is serious about this he would have to give up a bodybuilding protocol ASAP!!
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Exactly why he should do WSM after he retires. Hopefully he won't continue to enter the Olympia for years to come when he can no longer win, which unfortunately is possible given what he's said. The window for WSM is closing rapidly, as he'll soon be in his mid-40s.
As far as making the transition, the sample of those who have done it is too small to make any assumptions as to viability and likelihood of injury. The only way to know would be through doing.
Coleman would likely be a good athlete once the weight comes down, as much as it's possible to be in his mid-40s. Seems some of the WSM guys aren't that young either, but i'm not sure.
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how many black wsm competitors/champs were there?
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Right now I have two MMA fighters that I'm training right now.....one was a football player and one a former competitive bodybuilder.....the football player was an easy transition, but I had a hell of a time with the bodybuilder, the strength training part was easy but he hard time adapting to some of the functional training because he was weak in his posterior chain and when it came time in the training schedule for conditioning he was slow and was on the verge of having a serious injury when it came to his lateral training....we solved the problems but it took quite some time!
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Right now I have two MMA fighters that I'm training right now.....one was a football player and one a former competitive bodybuilder.....the football player was an easy transition, but I had a hell of a time with the bodybuilder, the strength training part was easy but he hard time adapting to some of the functional training because he was weak in his posterior chain and when it came time in the training schedule for conditioning he was slow and was on the verge of having a serious injury when it came to his lateral training....we solved the problems but it took quite some time!
The BB with no previous history of athleticism would usually be more problematic.
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Pumpster, you keep talking about Ronnie being an "athlete". The guy is in his 40's. When do you think the last time he played any kind of a sport? Bodybuilding the way these guys do it produce little overall benefits to being in true shape. If you don't play baseball, football, basketball you lose it quick. Doesn't matter how athletic you are or were. You ever play any sports after a long layoff? Jesus, Ronnie probably gets winded climbing a set of stairs.
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Pumpster, you keep talking about Ronnie being an "athlete". The guy is in his 40's. When do you think the last time he played any kind of a sport? Bodybuilding the way these guys do it produce little overall benefits to being in true shape. If you don't play baseball, football, basketball you lose it quick. Doesn't matter how athletic you are or were. You ever play any sports after a long layoff? Jesus, Ronnie probably gets winded climbing a set of stairs.
I know this because i was an athlete. Given some prep time and conditioning to the specifics of the sport, much of the ability comes back save for some that is lost to the ravages of age or injury. The only way to gauge viability is to do it, wade back in slowly and carefully, not to assume it won't come back out of hand.
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The BB with no previous history of athleticism would usually be more problematic.
Good point, I have his backgound and health history profile at my office, I'll check on Tuesday but I've seen him spar and he moves very well and is coordinated for a guy who is about 6'1 260lbs but he has to drop some muscle to be competitive, I'm guessing he has some athletic training!
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Coleman might be strong, but WSM has alot to do with STAMINA and ENDURANCE as well as strength... if RON so much as runs around the block he will have a heart attack... he would get crushed.
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Coleman might be strong, but WSM has alot to do with STAMINA and ENDURANCE as well as strength... if RON so much as runs around the block he will have a heart attack... he would get crushed.
Have you read any of the other posts? The assumption is that adequate prep work including conditioning would be done prior to doing WSM, genius.
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you mean Ethiopians and Kenyans.
DP is correct.
www.vdare.com/misc/entine_boston_marathon.htm (http://www.vdare.com/misc/entine_boston_marathon.htm) Cool article addressing racing and race.
Merry Christmas freaks! :)
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how many black wsm competitors/champs were there?
0?
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Svend Karlsen's video can be had on certain torrent sites. His training is mostly directly for the direct things that they do in the events. He does go to another gym and do more standard shit also though.
I think Ronnie would probably be "good". I think its a little disrespectful to all the guys in it who are already very good to suggest that he would be the best. For one thing, every one of those guys competing in the WSM would be a mass monster on loads of gear and bodybuilding training. Just because Ronnie retains some aesthetics despite being a monster does not make him any more freaky than the WSM competitors.
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I think Ronnie would probably be "good". I think its a little disrespectful to all the guys in it who are already very good to suggest that he would be the best.
Who said he would be the best? Whatever the outcome it would be interesting and good publicity.
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Lame assumptions. You don't seem to comprehend that once an athlete, always an athlete. Stop with the assumptions that since he only lifts now, that's all he can do-those are your limitations, not his.
If he had time to bring the weight down, increase/work on speed and work on the specifics of the events, there's no reason not to think that he couldn't marry decent agility/speed with good strength.
Agreed! Actually there are some bbers that could do well on strongman with proper training. If Ruhl, Freeman, Johnnie Jackson, Dorian (at his best), could train for 5 months for Strongman, I think they would do very well.
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Have you read any of the other posts? The assumption is that adequate prep work including conditioning would be done prior to doing WSM, genius.
Yeah, I did read the other posts. Unless you are one of the countless "Ronnie's a superhero" nuthuggers, you'd know that with all the anabolics he has pumped through his body, even if he tried to "condition" at all to get to the level that he needs to be to even qualify for WSM, he wouldn't make a dent. He's a bodybuilder... thats it. He can't play football, he cant run marathons, he cant be an astronaut and he cant be a contender in WSM. He'll need to have a dialysis and oxygen machine hooked up to him...
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Yeah, I did read the other posts. Unless you are one of the countless "Ronnie's a superhero" nuthuggers, you'd know that with all the anabolics he has pumped through his body, even if he tried to "condition" at all to get to the level that he needs to be to even qualify for WSM, he wouldn't make a dent. He's a bodybuilder... thats it. He can't play football, he cant run marathons, he cant be an astronaut and he cant be a contender in WSM. He'll need to have a dialysis and oxygen machine hooked up to him...
100% speculation, from which you've erroneously tried to draw concrete conclusions. No one knows, nor would anyone know what Columbu, Ferrigno or any one of the other contestants could do until they did it. None of them had specific background in these events, don't you get it?All your rationalizations have no basis, you're just guessing.
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I think all 3 groups are quite good.
No Nigerians are not renowned although they are not shitty. Kenyans are just amazing and the theories behind their prowess are a great debate but not for here.
ta ta
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All I get is that you were disrespectful in replying to my post. Yes, it is speculation. The thread starter asked for oppinions, so aI gave mine. Bottom line, franco and ferrigno both faired poorly in their WSM events... and neither of them were pumping the ammounts of anabolics, insulin, IGF, GH, etc. that ronnie has done, and I seriously doubt he will be physically able, even WITH the training and conditioning for WSM to have much of an impact, if any. I wasn't attacking your opinion or anybody elses, so why the disrespect?
100% speculation, from which you've erroneously tried to draw concrete conclusions. No one knows, nor would anyone know what Columbu, Ferrigno or any one of the other contestants could do until they did it. None of them had specific background in these events, don't you get it?All your rationalizations have no basis, you're just guessing.
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There have been a few bodybuilders that have had limited success when crossing over to strongman, Andrew Raynes and Eddy Ellwood come to mind (both completed in NABBA competitions). Andrew Raynes did quite well, qualified for the final of World's Strongest Man, did well in some of the UK Strongest man competitions though he was only 5'5/5'6 and was at a major disadvantage. Gary Taylor comes to mind as well, won WSM in 1993, not sure if he was a bodybuilder first or not but seen some competition pictures of him and he looked good.
It would be hard for Ronnie as his current muscle size would be a disadvantage especially the size of his legs... He would have to lose muscle size, but try and stay around 260-280 pounds to even be competitive.
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Who said he would be the best? Whatever the outcome it would be interesting and good publicity.
I think Ronnie would embarras himself in most events leaving people more fodder to say bodybuilders are weak for their size.
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Well I'm going to sit on the fence somewhat, however I have argued with Pumpster before about Ronnie being good at Footbal just because of his strength which I still find laughable.
Anyway In dear old Blighty we have a champion BB called Eddy Ellwood who took to strongmen a while back, he was ridiculously strong (not in Ronnies bracket) but he turned to it and was bad real bad, then he began to train properly not just using weights all the time etc but actually practising the events and training for the events and actually improving.
He became a contender over here and was really well liked and i think he became our champion in 2003.
So there is an example of a successful BB becoming a good strongman so it can be done.
That being said if Ronnie did convert whats to say he would be good?? He might be he may take to it well but technique is as much a part as anything else.
As for him and Mariusz they are both the best around imo or Ronnie was at least but the height thing disscussed earlier would be important too imo.
But if it happens then great it would be sooooooo interesting
ta ta
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Anyway In dear old Blighty we have a champion BB called Eddy Ellwood who took to strongmen a while back, he was ridiculously strong (not in Ronnies bracket) but he turned to it and was bad real bad, then he began to train properly not just using weights all the time etc but actually practising the events and training for the events and actually improving.
So there is an example of a successful BB becoming a good strongman so it can be done.
ta ta
bone, muscle and overall structure have alot to do with sport in general... with strong man comps and powerlifting this is especially true... like building a bridge...
ronnie has super small joints for his size, which is why he's been so successfull at bodybuilding...
however small joints arent the friend of powerlifters/ strongman...
granted ronnie IS strong, and may do well in local powerlifting events... there is no way he would be successful at an elite level
ronnie would have to be 10 years younger and train for 4 years to be able to compete in a strongman event, he'd have to trim down considerably to even have a shot... the guy isnt mobile, and even walking up a flight of stairs must get him winded
with that said, could ronnie compete at a super elite level "the worlds strongest man".... no way no chance...
ronnies the greatest, strongest, biggest, and leanest BB of all time... thats enough
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I agree he could never win it but as with my example it has happened, Ellwood put his heart and sole into it and was a good guy so props to him.
Masriusz is an all round beast of an athlete and Ronnie could not match him, but thats not to say he would be useless.
ta ta
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I think Ronnie would do well in the IFSA federation where it is mostly static events like max log, heavy axel, car deadlift and car squat etc. There are pictures somewhere of him lifting an inch replica dumbell off the ground.
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I think Ronnie has/had a lot of potential, because he was good enough of an athlete to play college football, but it takes years to master these events. There is a lot more skill involved that what many people are giving credit for.
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I think Ronnie would do well in the IFSA federation where it is mostly static events like max log, heavy axel, car deadlift and car squat etc. There are pictures somewhere of him lifting an inch replica dumbell off the ground.
that was my point. and he'd do pretty well, but he just doesn't have the experience with those lifts that the others have. savickas would hand his ass to him on a platter.
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I think all 3 groups are quite good.
Ethiopians and Kenyans for distance. Nigerians for sprinting.
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Well I'm going to sit on the fence somewhat, however I have argued with Pumpster before about Ronnie being good at Footbal just because of his strength which I still find laughable.
Anyway In dear old Blighty we have a champion BB called Eddy Ellwood who took to strongmen a while back, he was ridiculously strong (not in Ronnies bracket) but he turned to it and was bad real bad, then he began to train properly not just using weights all the time etc but actually practising the events and training for the events and actually improving.
He became a contender over here and was really well liked and i think he became our champion in 2003.
So there is an example of a successful BB becoming a good strongman so it can be done.
That being said if Ronnie did convert whats to say he would be good?? He might be he may take to it well but technique is as much a part as anything else.
As for him and Mariusz they are both the best around imo or Ronnie was at least but the height thing disscussed earlier would be important too imo.
But if it happens then great it would be sooooooo interesting
ta ta
YourMaaaa (did i leave out an "a"?) and i agree-bottom line it would be major-league interesting and as i've said before, great publicity for Coleman & BB that would widen the audience as was done in the 70s.
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bone, muscle and overall structure have alot to do with sport in general... with strong man comps and powerlifting this is especially true... like building a bridge...
ronnie has super small joints for his size, which is why he's been so successfull at bodybuilding...
however small joints arent the friend of powerlifters/ strongman...
granted ronnie IS strong, and may do well in local powerlifting events... there is no way he would be successful at an elite level
ronnie would have to be 10 years younger and train for 4 years to be able to compete in a strongman event, he'd have to trim down considerably to even have a shot... the guy isnt mobile, and even walking up a flight of stairs must get him winded
with that said, could ronnie compete at a super elite level "the worlds strongest man".... no way no chance...
ronnies the greatest, strongest, biggest, and leanest BB of all time... thats enough
Incredible speculation taken as fact. What a theory-those "small joints" (that have squatted 800)
are now a problem? Jesus this is really desperate reaching for any justification at all, when no one knows. Frightening thinking-inside-the-box. ;)
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I think Ronnie has/had a lot of potential, because he was good enough of an athlete to play college football, but it takes years to master these events. There is a lot more skill involved that what many people are giving credit for.
How do you know it takes years? Outline previous guys and the lengthy experience they had..
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All I get is that you were disrespectful in replying to my post. Yes, it is speculation. The thread starter asked for oppinions, so aI gave mine. Bottom line, franco and ferrigno both faired poorly in their WSM events... and neither of them were pumping the ammounts of anabolics, insulin, IGF, GH, etc. that ronnie has done, and I seriously doubt he will be physically able, even WITH the training and conditioning for WSM to have much of an impact, if any.
You don't seem to understand the great publicity it was for them and for BB. And Coleman would quite likely do better than either of them.
Neither Ferrigno or Columbu has the years of experience-the experts here are wrong in their silly assumptions that it is a prerequisite. They didn't have much experience, and placed 4th & 5th!!!!!!! This is poor? Great publicity for them and for BB!
World's Strongest Man
1977 - Universal Studios, California
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1. Bruce Wilhelm (United States) 63.25 pts.
2. Bob Young (United States) 43.25 pts.
3. Ken Patera (United States) 34 pts.
4. Lou Ferrigno (United States) 27.5 pts.
5. Franco Columbu (Italy) 22.25 pts.
6. Jon Cole (United States) 21.5 pts.
7. Mike Dayton (United States) 19.25 pts.
8. George Frenn (United States) 10 pts.
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You don't seem to understand the great publicity it was for them and for BB. And Coleman would quite likely do better than either of them. Neither of them did poorly even without years of prep.
that was also in the 1970s when a guy like bill kazmaier was able to set powerlifting records and also dominate WSM. unless you haven't noticed, no one since has been able to do the same. the sport has changed, it's advanced. you are the one speculating here.
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that was also in the 1970s when a guy like bill kazmaier was able to set powerlifting records and also dominate WSM. unless you haven't noticed, no one since has been able to do the same. the sport has changed, it's advanced. you are the one speculating here.
These are excuses. No compelling reasons not to, other than taking a pessimist's point of view.
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These are excuses. Nothing in what you and others have said indicates many negatives.
okay, let's drop the personal battle here for a moment and just go with pure logic, okay? disregarding everything else, let's examine things.
the competition was very different in franco competed. the competitors were of a different caliber. the sports were in their infancies. these days both the WSM and IFSA are advanced, the events are very specific and require more than just the ability to bench press and squat a lot. back then it was a lot of squatting, farmer's walking, flips, truck pulling etc.
now you've got hercules holds, atlas stones, fingal fingers, that one event where they walk in a circle supporting a heavy pole on their forearms. the 2006 event had the guys walking through water while carrying barrels even.
ronnie coleman is a very, very strong man in the gym. he can deadlift a lot, squat a lot, bench a lot, etc. but he has no experience with these lifts. the difference is similar to having a huge smith squat and then going for a free bar. the coordination and the skill aren't there.
in addition, his brute strength in the gym is below his competition. the barrel squat involves doing reps with increasing weight that ends at almost 800 pounds. now ronnie can squat that, but he needs a suit and wraps, neither of which are allowed. the deadlift reps for 2006 was 660 pounds (i think), and the winner got around 15.
now, ronnie is an advanced athlete. but he would need to make some severe changes to his body and his skills to make any kind of damage. there are top-class powerlifters, guys who already compete in strength sports, who are unable to make this change and do well. it's foolish to assume that simply because he's good in ONE sport that doesn't mean he'd be good in another one, and bodybuilding is a lot more different from strongman than powerlifting is.
even assuming, for no good reason, that ronnie were capable of making the switch, he's far older than the competition and his body is getting worse thanks to the tears and such. it would take at least two or three years before he'd start to get good at the events and streamline his body, which would put him at 45 plus. with a torn tricep, quad, and lat, what makes you think he could put his body through that successfully?
that's my last post on the subject.
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even assuming, for no good reason, that ronnie were capable of making the switch, he's far older than the competition and his body is getting worse thanks to the tears and such. it would take at least two or three years before he'd start to get good at the events and streamline his body, which would put him at 45 plus. with a torn tricep, quad, and lat, what makes you think he could put his body through that successfully?
that's my last post on the subject.
I've already mentioned that the age is one of the only real serious factors. However, it's not sufficient in and of itself to preclude a good performance, as it's an unknown.
As far as how long it would take to get good at the events, that's utter speculation. Largely dependant on the amount of prep time expended.
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I've already mentioned that the age is one of the only real serious factors. However, it's not sufficient in and of itself to preclude a good performance, as it's an unknown.
As far as how long it would take to get good at the events, that's utter speculation. Largely dependant on the amount of prep time expended.
well that's what i mean (to go back on my promise to stop posting). the two biggest factors are age and just his ability to make the switch. strongman isn't just about who's the strongest. you have to have endurance and some serious coordination. did you watch 2006? the prelims had them lifting stones of various shapes overhead.
it's speculation on your part as well as mine. we're both speculating on whether or not he'd be able to do so, but you can't use franco as an example because of how long ago that was. and the fact that after him and ferrigno, it didn't happen again.
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You don't seem to understand the great publicity it was for them and for BB. And Coleman would quite likely do better than either of them.
Neither Ferrigno or Columbu has the years of experience-the experts here are wrong in their silly assumptions that it is a prerequisite. They didn't have much experience, and placed 4th & 5th!!!!!!! This is poor? Great publicity for them and for BB!
World's Strongest Man
1977 - Universal Studios, California
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1. Bruce Wilhelm (United States) 63.25 pts.
2. Bob Young (United States) 43.25 pts.
3. Ken Patera (United States) 34 pts.
4. Lou Ferrigno (United States) 27.5 pts.
5. Franco Columbu (Italy) 22.25 pts.
6. Jon Cole (United States) 21.5 pts.
7. Mike Dayton (United States) 19.25 pts.
8. George Frenn (United States) 10 pts.
I agree. It would be GREAT publicity for BBing... get it out of the underground and such... Unfortunately, I just don't see Coleman in WSM happening.
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it's speculation on your part as well as mine. we're both speculating on whether or not he'd be able to do so, but you can't use franco as an example because of how long ago that was. and the fact that after him and ferrigno, it didn't happen again.
No, there's a difference. My point is that it's virtually a no-lose situation for BB and Coleman, which you don't get because you're mired in negative-only rationalizations that may or may not be true. The "transition" you keep claiming as a barrier to serious entry hasn't been proven; no such problems for Ferrigno or Columbu, which entirely discredits your theory.
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I agree. It would be GREAT publicity for BBing... get it out of the underground and such... Unfortunately, I just don't see Coleman in WSM happening.
Thanks; this seems to be rocket-science for those who only think small.
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because he doesn't train for the others, dingus. he's not the strongest in any of the main lifts, let alone in any of the goofy lifts they make strongman competitors do. just because he can heave-row 495 for a few and deadlift 805 with straps doesn't mean he'd be able to do the barrel throw or fingal fingers. Even the best powerlifters get their asses handed to them in strongman until they've been doing it for a while.
honestly i'd think his heavy reliance on straps would ruin him as well. he never does rows, shrugs, pulldowns, or deadlifts without straps, so his grip is probably shite.
ronnie coleman, weighing over 300 pounds ripped, has not one lift that would pass in a powerlifting competition. giving him the benefit of the doubt he might have a deadlift in the low 700s and a squat around the same, with maybe a 500 bench raw. Now a 1900 total isn't anything terrible, but consider brian siders.
siders is a guy who has a squat in the 800s, a 650 bench, and a dead also around the 800 mark, logging a total over 2300 in the NERB raw competition. his strongman performances have been good, but he's not going to fight mariusz any time soon. granted that's in a different strongman fed, and maybe ronnie would do all right in the other, but i doubt that as well since he just doesn't do those lifts.
Amazingly, both Siders AND Benni Magnusson, arguably the best deadlifter in the world, got their asses kicked by Big Z in the Hummer Deadlift this year. :o
Ronnie ain't even in the same ballpark as Benni when it comes to deadlifting. How the hell is he then going to hang with someone who kicks Benni's ass?
That's just not going to happen.
Still, I believe Ronnie would do real well. Real well as in place in the middle of the pack in most events if he choose to compete in the WSM World Series, the lesser of the two organisations.
If he went with IFSA, he would be up against much stronger competition, and place a bit lower IMO.
BTW, Ronnie definitely is likely to have grip issues due to his usage of straps on everything.
-Hedge
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okay, let's drop the personal battle here for a moment and just go with pure logic, okay? disregarding everything else, let's examine things.
the competition was very different in franco competed. the competitors were of a different caliber. the sports were in their infancies. these days both the WSM and IFSA are advanced, the events are very specific and require more than just the ability to bench press and squat a lot. back then it was a lot of squatting, farmer's walking, flips, truck pulling etc.
now you've got hercules holds, atlas stones, fingal fingers, that one event where they walk in a circle supporting a heavy pole on their forearms. the 2006 event had the guys walking through water while carrying barrels even.
ronnie coleman is a very, very strong man in the gym. he can deadlift a lot, squat a lot, bench a lot, etc. but he has no experience with these lifts. the difference is similar to having a huge smith squat and then going for a free bar. the coordination and the skill aren't there.
in addition, his brute strength in the gym is below his competition. the barrel squat involves doing reps with increasing weight that ends at almost 800 pounds. now ronnie can squat that, but he needs a suit and wraps, neither of which are allowed. the deadlift reps for 2006 was 660 pounds (i think), and the winner got around 15.
now, ronnie is an advanced athlete. but he would need to make some severe changes to his body and his skills to make any kind of damage. there are top-class powerlifters, guys who already compete in strength sports, who are unable to make this change and do well. it's foolish to assume that simply because he's good in ONE sport that doesn't mean he'd be good in another one, and bodybuilding is a lot more different from strongman than powerlifting is.
even assuming, for no good reason, that ronnie were capable of making the switch, he's far older than the competition and his body is getting worse thanks to the tears and such. it would take at least two or three years before he'd start to get good at the events and streamline his body, which would put him at 45 plus. with a torn tricep, quad, and lat, what makes you think he could put his body through that successfully?
that's my last post on the subject.
good post... agreed.... theres no way ronnie could touch 660 x 15... infact without a suit and raps he'd maybe get 2 in a super controlled enviornment...
Incredible speculation taken as fact. What a theory-those "small joints" (that have squatted 800)
are now a problem? Jesus this is really desperate reaching for any justification at all, when no one knows. Frightening thinking-inside-the-box. ;)
zero speculation...
sorry pumpster your confused, you underestimate the advantage of wearing a lifting suit and wraps... knee wraps and body suits serve one main purpose, to increase the strength of an individuals joints... NO modern SM competitor has a waist or joints nearly as small as ronnies...
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No, there's a difference. My point is that it's virtually a no-lose situation for BB and Coleman, which you don't get because you're mired in negative-only rationalizations that may or may not be true. The "transition" you keep claiming as a barrier to serious entry hasn't been proven; no such problems for Ferrigno or Columbu, which entirely discredits your theory.
but until now you NEVER mentioned publicity, you're just scrounging for things to be "right" about. and you can't keep using ferrigno and columbu as examples, for the reason hedge and i keep pointing out. here it is again, though:
back in the 1980s bill kazmaier was a record-setter in powerlifting. he went to WSM and won three in a row, so dominant he wasn't invited back until 1988. two decades later brian siders and benedikt magnusson, record setting powerlifters themselves, got their asses handed to them in strongman competitions. the sport has advanced since the 1970s, why are you ignoring that?
there have been no top-level bodybuilders who won strongman competitions since those two, nor have there been any powerlifters who switched. there have been no powerlifters or strongmen who won bodybuilding. what will happen is just the reverse of someone like andy fiedler: he'll go from a top-level bodybuilder and become a middle-of-the-pack strongman. he'll do pretty well, but he won't be near the top. honestly i'd be surprised if he even made it into the finals.
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If he went with IFSA, he would be up against much stronger competition, and place a bit lower IMO.
-Hedge
the IFSA is a very different competition, though. it might be more geared toward ronnie's strengths. WSM does the long rep-outs, mariusz getting 14 on the log lift or whoever getting 16 on the deadlift. the ISA is more one-rep strength as per savickas's 440 lb log lift. ronnie squats heavy but does a lot of other stuff high-rep, so i wonder which he'd be better at.
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Most of the WSM competitors, except Mariuz, couldn't do half of a Ronnie training. I am sure that Ronnie, or Ruhl, or J Jakson could do serious damage in WSM, it is a matter of training. These bbers are used to lift heavy weigths, so they only hand to change their routines and start doing the exercices of the event. Do you really think that with proper taining Ruhl or Ronnie couldn't reach top 5? Yes they could, especially on the press movements. Look at Mariusz, the guy looks like a very good bber and still is the BEST athlete in WSM. There are no absoluts truths in these kind of sports. How many SG could win an Olympia title? For the record, I really enjoy WSM and I would prefer doing it rather than bbing, but we mus see things as they are, just because a guy is a bber doesn't mean he can't do other sports. Like I read before an athlete is an athlete. My favourite is Mariusz, he could do well in several sports, can't say the same of some WSM or some Pler, that are way to fat to do anything else.
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Eddie Ellwood, the NABBA pro Universe 5 time winner 1997-2001 turned to strongman around 2002 at the age of 40. At 6ft 1 and 275 he competed in Britains strongest man several times and always won his heat and dominated every event. In the final he would be ahead after the first few events and making the others look like boys until something snapped in his body such as a bicep or calf. This went on at the Britains strongest man 2002, 2003 and 20004 and was frustrating because up until the snap he made the rest of the competitors look like nothing and these guys would go on and place top 10 in world's strongest man.
A lot of guys said he had spent too long building pretty boy muscles which were not suited to the events of strongman (ie he was so strong in the basic movements that after a few events the "weakest link" would snap) especially during the loading type events.
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Most of the WSM competitors, except Mariuz, couldn't do half of a Ronnie training. I am sure that Ronnie, or Ruhl, or J Jakson could do serious damage in WSM, it is a matter of training. These bbers are used to lift heavy weigths, so they only hand to change their routines and start doing the exercices of the event. Do you really think that with proper taining Ruhl or Ronnie couldn't reach top 5? Yes they could, especially on the press movements. Look at Mariusz, the guy looks like a very good bber and still is the BEST athlete in WSM. There are no absoluts truths in these kind of sports. How many SG could win an Olympia title? For the record, I really enjoy WSM and I would prefer doing it rather than bbing, but we mus see things as they are, just because a guy is a bber doesn't mean he can't do other sports. Like I read before an athlete is an athlete. My favourite is Mariusz, he could do well in several sports, can't say the same of some WSM or some Pler, that are way to fat to do anything else.
Your speculating to such a high level here!
These guys could do well but saying Ronnie or Ruhl could reach the top 5 is silly how do you know this? What Strongman competition are you basing this statement on?
They could in the sense that I could to but it ain't happening but hell my dog could out do them soon if some mad scientist comes along and does something amazing. Lets keepthis in the realms of reality
yes they have potential but thats all, hell they may just hate doing it and lack motivation, they may not have the balance the grip the skill to perform certain events.
Its speculation at the moment so given cast iron predictions is stupid
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but he has improved and is good, so there is hope for other BB's in this area.
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Most of the WSM competitors, except Mariuz, couldn't do half of a Ronnie training. I am sure that Ronnie, or Ruhl, or J Jakson could do serious damage in WSM, it is a matter of training. These bbers are used to lift heavy weigths, so they only hand to change their routines and start doing the exercices of the event. Do you really think that with proper taining Ruhl or Ronnie couldn't reach top 5? Yes they could, especially on the press movements.
Of course; these guys try desperately to make it complicated, as though Coleman has to have the same numbers as these other guys to be in the game, when the events are not exacty the same as lifting.
It's not that complicated guys, (1) Coleman would be solid at least, and (2) it would be huge positive publicity. Get your heads out of the sand.
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zero speculation...
sorry pumpster your confused, you underestimate the advantage of wearing a lifting suit and wraps... knee wraps and body suits serve one main purpose, to increase the strength of an individuals joints... NO modern SM competitor has a waist or joints nearly as small as ronnies...
No, you're mired in the specifics of actual weightlifting, which is not WSM. Different animals that render the specifics you keep mentioning less relevant.
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but until now you NEVER mentioned publicity, you're just scrounging for things to be "right" about. and you can't keep using ferrigno and columbu as examples, for the reason hedge and i keep pointing out. here it is again, though:
Not only have i been mentioning publicity incessantly, i've also made clear he only has to do solidly to generate tremendous positive publicity for himself and BB outside of the niche BB audience. How many times do i have to say it for you to get that the downsides of his entry are minimal vs. the upsides. Is it really as complicated as you make it?
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I'm just gonna throw another couple of factors in here:
1. With the number of injuries he picked up this last year coming in to the Olympia, could his body take the strain of this type of extremely heavy training?
2. The WSM is drug tested (Yes, they all probably still use), but I doubt Ronnie has ever had to come off the gear to be 'clean' for any tests before, so how would his strength levels be without the constant juice? All of these weights people are saying he can do are all during bulking periods and with obscene amounts of chemicals, which he couldn't get away with in WSM competition when he would have to be 'clean' and would need to slim down for stamina reasons?
Anyway, just a couple of thoughts.
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these bodybuilders are too fcuking stiff. they wouldn't last a minute in a World strongest man contest
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these bodybuilders are too fcuking stiff. they wouldn't last a minute in a World strongest man contest
Ferrigno & Columbu 4th and 5th and this guy comes out with yet more empty speculation.
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Ferrigno & Columbu 4th and 5th and this guy comes out with yet more empty speculation.
Columbu competed as a world strong man he wasn't just flexing onstage. I have yet to see Ronnie give that a try. Ronnie is very good at flexing onstage, he's a bodybuilder. he's not a WSM athlete, but to say that he can just jump in the WSM arena and kick everybody's ass is Laughable
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Columbu competed as a world strong man he wasn't just flexing onstage. I have yet to see Ronnie give that a try. Ronnie is very good at flexing onstage, he's a bodybuilder. he's not a WSM athlete, but to say that he can just jump in the WSM arena and kick everybody's ass is Laughable
Who said he would kick everyone's ass other than you? Ferrigno and Columbu both did just fine with no special prep, so you're wrong. Where did you get the idea there is some kind of special credential to being a "WSM athlete" as you call them? Two BBs already did fine, with Coleman being stronger than either one of them.
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lots of strongmen are ex bodybuilders...some did well, some didnt (so mentioning famous bbs like colombu and ferrigno is not proof of anything..also that was 25 years ago). Would ronnie do well? hard to say, its just pure speculation. but he would certainly have to train the specific events. Also a big question is how good is ronnies grip strength..(can be improved tho). But ronnie would never win the worlds strongest man...several guys have higher powerlifting totals than ronnie does so ronnie couldnt just beat guys with pure strength. No doubt ronnie is strong tho.
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lots of strongmen are ex bodybuilders...some did well, some didnt (so mentioning famous bbs like colombu and ferrigno is not proof of anything..
Well actually, it's plenty proof that it didn't take any fancy prep or qualifications to do well, refuting the claims here that it takes "years of WSM prep" ::) and the results prove that they did solidly, as opposed to yet another misconception here that they didn't.
It also proves that slave here remains cognitively challenged, since they're far better examples of BBs in the WSM than any of the others he claims to know about. ;)
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lots of strongmen are ex bodybuilders...some did well, some didnt (so mentioning famous bbs like colombu and ferrigno is not proof of anything..also that was 25 years ago). Would ronnie do well? hard to say, its just pure speculation. but he would certainly have to train the specific events. Also a big question is how good is ronnies grip strength..(can be improved tho). But ronnie would never win the worlds strongest man...several guys have higher powerlifting totals than ronnie does so ronnie couldnt just beat guys with pure strength. No doubt ronnie is strong tho.
very well put. Ronnie is strong I do not doubt that. like you said, he would have to train for specific events, I dont care if Ronnie can deadlift 800lbs, but having him deadlift the rear of a small Volkwagen is something else. Ronnie cannot just jump from bodybuilding straight to WSM and expect to be hercules without all the specific training, minset and every other principles that goes with it
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WSM is a big challenge for any bodybuilders outthere. WSM is real world strenght pure and simple. The workouts in the gym does not automatically translate to WSM strenghts. oh, I forgot to mention that there are ALMOST NO GLOVES INVOLVE in these WSM contest
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No, you're mired in the specifics of actual weightlifting, which is not WSM. Different animals that render the specifics you keep mentioning less relevant.
this makes zero sense...
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Well actually, it's plenty proof that it didn't take any fancy prep or qualifications to do well, refuting the claims here that it takes "years of WSM prep" ::) and the results prove that they did solidly, as opposed to yet another misconception here that they didn't.
It also proves that slave here remains cognitively challenged, since they're far better examples of BBs in the WSM than any of the others he claims to know about. ;)
uhm...svend karlsen is an ex bodybuilder and he was succesfull in wsm (eddy ellwood is another...not successful).but not as as succesful as colombu or ferrigno as a bodybuilder..but that doesnt matter as its strength and atheleticism that is important in strongman not how you looked at low bodyfat. and where did i say i takes years of practice ( do you always make up things when you have discussions with people? )..all i said was that ronnie would have to train the special events and no one knows if he would be any good until he actually did an event..takes stones for example..would ronnie be tall enough for lifting stones to high platforms?
what this illustrates is that brute strength isnt everything..ronnie has strength..but some guys are even stronger than ronnie and they arent winning events. add to this fact that ronnie has never trained the different events.
basically ronnie has the baseline power needed but alot of guys with his strength or better have failed to win anything..so the conclusion has to be that
ronnie wouldnt be winning any events.
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Blacks usually suck at the strongman contests. They have no stamina.
Yea Black people have no stamina. I guess the Kenyans didn't get this memo when they takeover the Boston marathon year after year.
Funny how in sports where you're running for a long time and need stamina, Black people dominate (football, basketball, etc), yet in sports where you basically sit on your ass or stand in a single position most of the time (baseball) whites are filled in that sport.
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Svend Karlsen competed as an ifbb pro and won WSM in 2001.
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Svend Karlsen competed as an ifbb pro and won WSM in 2001.
yeah that was what i meant by him being an ex bb and later succesful in wsm.
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Yea Black people have no stamina. I guess the Kenyans didn't get this memo when they takeover the Boston marathon year after year.
Funny how in sports where you're running for a long time and need stamina, Black people dominate (football, basketball, etc), yet in sports where you basically sit on your ass or stand in a single position most of the time (baseball) whites are filled in that sport.
same way you don't see so many whites running back and receivers. it's not to say that whites can't be running backs and receivers, it's just that they prefer to play other positions. after all, they're all athletes
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this makes zero sense...
Good, so maybe this time you'll understand. You've made this extremely complicated with tangents that don't necessarily apply. It's not that complicated.
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same way you don't see so many whites running back and receivers. it's not to say that whites can't be running backs and receivers, it's just that they prefer to play other positions. after all, they're all athletes
Pathetic rationalization. They "prefer" the other positions? hahahahahahahahahaahah
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Exactly why Ronnie wouldn't do well in the WSM . pumpster just got owned
http://pumpster.justgotowned.com/
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Exactly why Ronnie wouldn't do well in the WSM . pumpster just got owned
http://pumpster.justgotowned.com/
I can just picture Ronnie doing the Atlas stones or the fingal fingers. He wouldn't have a snowballs chance in hell.
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Ronnie is too short for WSM. He would be at a disadvantage in too many of the events....just like in 2006 as Mariusz was due to being much shorter than Pfister.