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[pumpster]

Ronnie is an extremely strong man, however his problem would be just a lack of experience in strongman events. Guys like Mariusz etc have been training and competing for years in these strongmen shows.

Exactly my point, the one that keeps going over the dizzy head of aptly-named "Magoo".

The main issue with Coleman would be to acquire experience with the specific skills required of the events, nothing more. "Magoo" meanwhile, keeps trying to make this more complicated and can't comprehend the basic fundamental reality that Coleman's right there with the other guys already in WSM when it comes to the other factors. Duh!

As far as how long that would take, there's no way to presume that it would take years or months, because none of the WSM guys practice the events more than a short period of time each year. I'd say a few months, more than what the WSM experienced contestants are doing, would be enough to address most of the inexperience he doesn't yet have. It's not rocket science, except to some here. 

[MisterMagoo]

Exactly my point, the one that keeps going over the dizzy head of aptly-named "Magoo". The main issue with Coleman would be to acquire experience with the specific skills required of the events, nothing more. "Magoo" meanwhile, keeps trying to make this more complicated and can't comprehend the basic fundamental reality that Coleman's right there with the other guys already in WSM when it comes to the other factors. Duh!

but i thought you said...

In your continued naivete you make the silly assumption that the other guys in WSM are sitting there practicing the events year-round. I have news for you, they're not, and aren't doing much differently most of the year.

and wait, i remember saying...

because he doesn't train for the others, dingus. he's not the strongest in any of the main lifts, let alone in any of the goofy lifts they make strongman competitors do. just because he can heave-row 495 for a few and deadlift 805 with straps doesn't mean he'd be able to do the barrel throw or fingal fingers. Even the best powerlifters get their asses handed to them in strongman until they've been doing it for a while.

so from the beginning i've been saying he's very strong but doesn't have the experience in the strongman events to do well. you disagree with me, then take my position and claim i was saying something else. survey says: you're an idiot.

[pumpster]

Ronnie is 5'11 - isn't Mariusz at a height disadvantage even at 6'1?  Guys on average are around 6'3 or so in these contests aren't they?

As i said, Coleman's shorter but not by much than Mariusz, who is shorter than most of them, which proves that height is not necessarily an advantage because it's compensated for by speed and agility.

The height disadvantage might be more of a factor if some of the events didn't incorporate a need for speed, and focused more on pure power.

[pumpster]

so from the beginning i've been saying he's very strong but doesn't have the experience in the strongman events to do well. you disagree with me, then take my position and claim i was saying something else. survey says: you're an idiot.

"Magoo" spending paragraph after long-winded paragraph to say something, who knows what amidst all the blathering? Who wants to read all this meandering crap?

My posts are far more efficient; it's called common sense from someone who knows what it is to be an athlete as well as a lifter. No need to speculate in my case. hahahahahaha

[MisterMagoo]

Ronnie is 5'11 - isn't Mariusz at a height disadvantage even at 6'1?  Guys on average are around 6'3 or so in these contests aren't they?

yeah, and 5'11" might even be pushing it. strongman events are kinda biased towards the tall. if you're under six feet tall the fingal fingers are damn near impossible, guys like phil phister and jesse marunde are terrors at them because they're 6'5" plus. same with the atlas stones thanks to the tall podiums.

[MisterMagoo]

"Magoo" spending paragraph after long-winded paragraph to say something, who knows what amidst all the blathering? Who wants to read all this meandering crap?

My posts are far more efficient; it's called common sense from someone who knows what it is to be an athlete as well as a lifter. No need to speculate in my case. hahahahahaha

and thank you for agreeing that i was right and you're a moron. very efficient. 

[pumpster]

yeah, and 5'11" might even be pushing it. strongman events are kinda biased towards the tall. if you're under six feet tall the fingal fingers are damn near impossible, guys like phil phister and jesse marunde are terrors at them because they're 6'5" plus. same with the atlas stones thanks to the tall podiums.

Again more speculation. Mariusz should've forced him to re-think these canned assumptions about height yet he goes on and on about how height would make a difference. 

[MisterMagoo]

Again more speculation. Mariusz should make the guy re-think these canned assumptions yet he goes on and on about how height would make a difference. 

we've established that you're a dope, but i'll try anyway. mariusz is an exception to the rule and is still at least three inches above ronnie. and keep in mind ronnie's best lifts are still behind most of these guys. ronnie can squat 800 for two with tight wraps and a suit. mariusz squats in the 700 for reps raw.

so at the end of the day ronnie would need time to get his gym lifts up to par with the rest, learn ALL of the strongman events, and overcome the massive leverage disadvantage he has. this would take a long time. like i said at the BEGINNING, he'd do well in lower-level events, but we're not going to see him up against svend karlsen or any of those guys.

EDIT: why the hell am i debating with a guy who brags about how much he can lift a bowflex?? what the fuck could you possibly have to tell me about strength training?

[pumpster]

"Magoo" with another long-winded blather about nothing - he's the only one that spends this much time debating with himself, because he can't comprehend what is simplicity to others here....*yawn* "Magoo" living up to the buddlement expected of the name; excellent job.

"Magoo" monster predictable worthless comeback line: "you're a moron". Wow that really hurts. hahahaahahahahahahah

[jem123]

So are we all agreed that ronnie probably has the basic core strength - just not the experiance/height or time at his age to get the experiance?

[bmacsys]

Ronnie with training would probably very good at it- at a local level. He just is too short. He would never be able to compete with the guys who have more height and even more importantly longer reach. The Atlas Stones you need long arms to wrap around the stones. Fingal Fingers you need height for leverage. Large hands also are a requisite. Ronnie would suffer severe handicaps in these areas.

[MisterMagoo]

"Magoo" with another long-winded blather about nothing - he's the only one that spends this much time debating with himself, because he can't comprehend what is simplicity to others here....*yawn* "Magoo" living up to the buddlement expected of the name; excellent job.

"Magoo" monster predictable worthless comeback line: "you're a moron". Wow that really hurts. hahahaahahahahahahah

go back to your bowflex, kid. i'm sure your prowess with its patented Power RodŽ resistance has built you into a finely tuned athletic miracle. 

[pumpster]

So are we all agreed that ronnie probably has the basic core strength - just not the experiance/height or time at his age to get the experiance?

Totally, as of a page ago, except for this "Magoo" dolt.

The only issues are (1) how long it would take him to get up to speed with specific skills, and (2) age.

On specific skills, i'm sure that this is quite the part-time thing for all WSM contestants. If Coleman really took the time and spent more than a normal allotment of time on this, I don't see why he'd be at much of a disadvantage. Especially in the 2nd year of WSM.

Height maybe a little but Mariusz isn't much taller. The shorter guys should have advantages to offset the height issue, given that some of the events are more than just pure power.

[chris_mason]

Blacks usually suck at the strongman contests. They have no stamina.

Errrrrrr, tell that to the Nigerians who are the best distance runners in the world.

 

[davidpaul]

Errrrrrr, tell that to the Nigerians who are the best distance runners in the world.

 

you mean Ethiopians and Kenyans.

[chris_mason]

you mean Ethiopians and Kenyans.

I think all 3 groups are quite good.

[pumpster]

Ronnie with training would probably very good at it- at a local level. He just is too short. He would never be able to compete with the guys who have more height and even more importantly longer reach.

More assumptions. Mariusz doesn't have height or reach advantages either.

Coleman has the most fundamental elements-great strength, inherent athleticism and intensity. All the rest is speculation that would only be answered in competition. Columbu & Ferrigno did fine with much less than Coleman, which is why it would be interesting to see as long as he was already familiar and comfortable with the techniques required of the events, and had lost enough weight to be mobile.

[bmacsys]

More assumptions. Mariusz doesn't have height or reach advantages either.

Coleman has the most fundamental elements-great strength, inherent athleticism and intensity. All the rest is speculation that would only be answered in competition. Columbu & Ferrigno did fine with much less than Coleman, which is why it would be interesting to see as long as he was already familiar and comfortable with the techniques required of the events, and had lost enough weight to be mobile.

He is 6'1" and has long arms and big hands. All things that Ronnie lacks. No assumptions.

[bmacsys]

More assumptions. Mariusz doesn't have height or reach advantages either.

Coleman has the most fundamental elements-great strength, inherent athleticism and intensity. All the rest is speculation that would only be answered in competition. Columbu & Ferrigno did fine with much less than Coleman, which is why it would be interesting to see as long as he was already familiar and comfortable with the techniques required of the events, and had lost enough weight to be mobile.

Ferrigno and Franco didn't do the events we see today WSM comps. How exactly did a 6'4" 275 pound Ferrigno have "much less" than Ronnie Coleman?

[brianX]

Errrrrrr, tell that to the Nigerians who are the best distance runners in the world.

 

You're talking about Kenyans. I'm talking about American blacks.

[pumpster]

Ferrigno and Franco didn't do the events we see today WSM comps. How exactly did a 6'4" 275 pound Ferrigno have "much less" than Ronnie Coleman?

Very shaky reasoning for excluding someone with a lot more power and athleticism than them. Ferrigno's maxes were nowherer near Coleman's, and he clumsy relative to someone shorter with an athletic background. Ferrigno couldn't even make the cut as a lineman in the CFL with the Argos in the 70s despite a huge size advantage.

He is 6'1" and has long arms and big hands. All things that Ronnie lacks

According to this thinking, Columbu should have stuck to the junior leagues and never entered WSM.  Don't give the excuse that "the events were different" they weren't previously designed for short-limbed people and now designed for long-limbed people that's insane. Coleman's arms are plenty long, probably similar to Mariusz despite the height difference actually.



Bottom line:

Not only would it would intriguing to see, it would be extremely good publicity both for Coleman & BB in the same way that Columbu & Ferrigno increased the cachet of BB in the 70s with WSM. Up until that time, it was felt that BBs were largely incapable of serious strength or athleticism.

[ManBearPig...]

An athlete is always an athlete?
Michael Jordan.
Basketball.
Baseball.

[pumpster]

An athlete is always an athlete?
Michael Jordan.
Basketball.
Baseball.

My answer to that is Bo Jackson, Deon Sanders & Jim Brown, all of whom mastered two sports. 

Poor analogy; baseball had nothing to do with Jordan's experience and required a very specific skills set that had nothing to do with basketball-a big difference. Would have taken more time than he gave to develop. Mastering the nuances of baseball is not the same as the athleticism he would have already had in general things like running bases or throwing.

Conversely, WSM skills are not a world apart from lifter's experiences, as illustrated by the success of Columbu & Ferrigno and in fact ALL WSM contestants, none of whom specialize in WSM events the rest of the year. Not a big stretch to go from one to the other, given sufficient prep.



Bottom line:

Unless he was a complete flop (very unlikely given the success of less athletic BBs like Ferrigno in WSM) it would be huge positive publicity for BB & Coleman, to new audiences.

[Mr. Intenseone]

I don't buy the "once an athlete always and athlete" analogy, Ronnie gave that up when he decided to give up football for bodybuilding, IMO (and I've never seen it proved otherwise) that bodybuilders especially ones that weigh 330 in the offseason cannot make a successful transition from bodybuilding to functional training without having some injuries on the way, like torn muscles, tendons, legaments, etc, if Ronnie is serious about this he would have to give up a bodybuilding protocol ASAP!!

[pumpster]

Exactly why he should do WSM after he retires. Hopefully he won't continue to enter the Olympia for years to come when he can no longer win, which unfortunately is possible given what he's said. The window for WSM is closing rapidly, as he'll soon be in his mid-40s.

As far as making the transition, the sample of those who have done it is too small to make any assumptions as to viability and likelihood of injury. The only way to know would be through doing.

Coleman would likely be a good athlete once the weight comes down, as much as it's possible to be in his mid-40s. Seems some of the WSM guys aren't that young either, but i'm not sure.