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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: The Squadfather on January 12, 2007, 07:31:56 PM
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you know looking at Dorian's cycle in that other thread about how he used 4,000mg. of test per week and 30 dbol's a day i couldn't help but think that just about any man could be an IFBB pro if they did that cycle and ate and trained like those guys, whaddya think?
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I could.
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I could.
anyone could.
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I think there's no basic formula for being a pro. Basically if you take that much gear, eat tons, and train hard, a lot of people can take bodybuilding very far - pro status, I don't know because shape and structure play a role. The hardest part of all of this is really eating tons of food because it takes so much time.
Pros today do not train hard, they are a disgrace to the glory days of the previous generations.
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i dont think so. genetics and structure play a huge role you either got it or you dont. sarc, i think alot of guys could be massive like the pros, and cut but still not be pro material. muscle bellies, shape, insertions, structure and flow have alot to do with it. and alot of the guys who have great shape like victor are massive on top of that.
although it is tough to say, youd have to be pretty off your rocker to take all the drugs the pros do and dedicate your life to a sport that gives little back. maybe alot of guys could be pro but who is willing to die 20 years early for shit pay.
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well there's two pros on this board that if they became pro anyone could.
i'm not naming because i am not rude.
and is not news either.
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I think there's no basic formula for being a pro. Basically if you take that much gear, eat tons, and train hard, a lot of people can take bodybuilding very far - pro status, I don't know because shape and structure play a role. The hardest part of all of this is really eating tons of food because it takes so much time.
i agree, the food is a HUGGGGEEEEEEEE part.
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i dont think so. genetics and structure play a huge role you either got it or you dont. sarc, i think alot of guys could be massive like the pros, and cut but still not be pro material. muscle bellies, shape, insertions, structure and flow have alot to do with it. and alot of the guys who have great shape like victor are massive on top of that.
although it is tough to say, youd have to be pretty off your rocker to take all the drugs the pros do and dedicate your life to a sport that gives little back. maybe alot of guys could be pro but who is willing to die 20 years early for shit pay.
don't get me wrong i'm not saying that i would want to be a pro, i'm just saying that it seems like a stack like that would allow a lot of guys to get to roughly the same size as most pros, even Coleman or Cutler.
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you know looking at Dorian's cycle in that other thread about how he used 4,000mg. of test per week and 30 dbol's a day i couldn't help but think that just about any man could be an IFBB pro if they did that cycle and ate and trained like those guys, whaddya think?
I think da question is -- would any muthafucka wanna be an IFBB "pro"?
I'm sure it ain't all peaches 'n cream. Which reminds me, I gotta contact dat bitch.
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the only thing stopping you would be fear of those doses but i'm sure a lot of guys would.
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Do IFBB pros get a lot of fitness babes?
would you consider brett a babe?
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Do IFBB pros get a lot of fitness babes?
Hellz yeah. Some even *snap* and kill.
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would you consider brett a babe?
brutal 65 pound head.
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IŽd hit it.
Fixed!
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I don't think I'd be an IFBB Pro even with doses like that
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don't get me wrong i'm not saying that i would want to be a pro, i'm just saying that it seems like a stack like that would allow a lot of guys to get to roughly the same size as most pros, even Coleman or Cutler.
Thats Phucken hillarious are you serious.Let me get this straight....so just do a few big cycles 4000mg + per wk ,eat alot of food and boom anyone can look like a Mr Olympia in 2007 :-\ 5'10" shredded and over 270lbs.
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Sure ANYONE could be a pro. It's so fucking easy! ???
In no particular order, here is how to get "huge" (i understand the definition of "huge" is thrown around lightly):
1. Lift weights
2. Take steroids
3. Eat lots of food
This may be shocking to some of you, but if a person TRULY dedicates themselves to all 3 of these components, they will gain muscle. Notice I said ALL 3 components. You can gain a SIGNIFIGANT amount of muscle by training and eating. You won't gain SHIT ( besides a nice set of tits and a constant hard on) by taking 100,000 mg of Test a week without eating or training. The only variable that is different amongst top amateurs and pros is training and diet. Everyone uses the same drugs in the same amount for the most part. Not everybody trains hard, not everbody eats perfect, but EVERYBODY takes drugs. In the end what separates the best from the best really is the genetic makeup of the individuals. For example the amount of steroids and GH that King Kamali takes per se, is irrelevant because his structure is terrible and he will never win a pro show for the rest of his life unless he is the only competitor.
Now if this doesn't make sense to you, or you disagree with this statement, then congratulations, you have an IQ of a 2 year old and you shouldn't be giving your opinion anyways. Anybody with a normal functioning brain that has the ability to comprehend their surroundings would realize this is the truth.
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Be a pro, yes, look at matt duvall, he took assloads of gear and became a pro. Whether or not youre successful at it, well that has to do with genetics I suppose.
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there a lot of people who take all type of juice that not a pro, so if you think you just shoot some oil in your ass, I feel sorry for you.There so much more in it.If it was just eat ,shoot, and train you be a pro right, But you not so it must be something Else. it a whole life style that you don't know nothing about until you there.
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You cant have a pro's size without proper genetics. However anyone can build a big and ripped body with determination, hard work and smart use of "supplements"
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I know a few guys that take insaine dosages and bust their ass, but they'll never be a pro. They just don't have the structure. Genetics has a lot to do with it. Good genetics + lots of gear + lots of food + discipline = Pro. At least for the top tier guys anyway.
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True, but the discipline is not always necessary.
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With some gear for a few years, sure. A successful pro, probably not.
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Is that your face on that whores titties Croatch?
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Good genetics + lots of gear + lots of food + discipline = Pro. At least for the top tier guys anyway.
Spot on. 8)
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You cant turn a donkey into a Kentucky Derby winner, no matter what you do...........Genetics are the key and you either have em...or you don't.
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YES
Take Jay Cutler for example he has a beautiful wife and a trained nurse and i bet he owes a lot for her for his success and no doubt a Doctor who prescribes him his drugs.
I have hit 280 at a Genuine 10% bodyfat and thats a 1/4 of what that supposed to have taken by this mysterious Dorian Cycle.
All i Know is i have an X frame and have hit competition weight of 235 to 237 at 6 ft without HGH,IGF,Slin and never been on stage.
Really when you think about it Kamali has shit genetics and is quite succesfull , seeing some of the pitures of some of the Getbig regulars i think its quite possible to be succesfull at bodybuilding.
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all drugs
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Check out v. martinez's mass attack ...HE is pretty intense to me
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I don't believe anyone can become an IFBB Pro because I have seen first hand guys that had shitty genetics living a pro bodybuilding lifestyle using tons of gear and they still couldn't even catch up to guys in the gym that had just moderately good genes and used "maintenance" gear....
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All this talk about "who trains hard", "who is weak"," all drugs..." blah, blah.......
All of it is totally irrelevant if you are a pro BB...the ONLY thing that matters is what the end result is....what you look like on stage being compared to the next guy...PERIOD.
Training is only a means to that end...tools of breaking down muscle tissue and diet/rest in building it back up. Some (like Flex and Paul) had awesome genetics in terms of response to the gear and response to building muscle...if they were able to get results with training lighter, less frequently, or whatever....good for them.
All the rest of this talk is pure bullshit...
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All this talk about "who trains hard", "who is weak"," all drugs..." blah, blah.......
All of it is totally irrelevant if you are a pro BB...the ONLY thing that matters is what the end result is....what you look like on stage being compared to the next guy...PERIOD.
Training is only a means to that end...tools of breaking down muscle tissue and diet/rest in building it back up. Some (like Flex and Paul) had awesome genetics in terms of response to the gear and response to building muscle...if they were able to get results with training lighter, less frequently, or whatever....good for them.
All the rest of this talk is pure bullshit...
what is bullshit Bob? with all due respect i think there are A LOT of guys who could have the dimensions and bodyfat percentages of most IFBB pros on a cycle that was listed for Dorian.
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Whats bullshit is exactly what I wrote at the top of the post...
Only a complete moron would believe that was Dorians gear cycle...
If anyone has to take that much gear to turn pro, they need to re-evaluate their goals and if they "have what it takes"...
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Whats bullshit is exactly what I wrote at the top of the post...
Only a complete moron would believe that was Dorians gear cycle...
If anyone has to take that much gear to turn pro, they need to re-evaluate their goals and if they "have what it takes"...
i have to admit that i have my doubts about that cycle as well Bob, i would guess realistically that the doses were probably half of what was listed, i got to 240lbs. at 5'11" with the outline of abs showing on the sides on 750mg. Sustenon per week and 30mg. d bol daily so i know that i would have been DRASTICALLY bigger on twice or three times that.
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This is the oldest argument in bodybuilding...anyone who knows even minimal about BB and gear can tll you that more gear will not make you bigger, just start to illicit the side effects.
It's like filling a glass up with water...once it's filled...you can keep pouring all you want...it doesn't get "more filled".
If bing a great BB was purely dependant on how much gear was being used...believe me...there would be a lot more big MFers walking around than there are...
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If that was the case every one using would be a pro
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bob is right, once your receptors are saturated they are saturated. you cant keep adding to them once they've been saturated. sarc you wouldnt have gotten any bigger, more likely you would have gotten the same size with half the dose.
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Sure ANYONE could be a pro. It's so fucking easy! ???
In no particular order, here is how to get "huge" (i understand the definition of "huge" is thrown around lightly):
1. Lift weights
2. Take steroids
3. Eat lots of food
This may be shocking to some of you, but if a person TRULY dedicates themselves to all 3 of these components, they will gain muscle. Notice I said ALL 3 components. You can gain a SIGNIFIGANT amount of muscle by training and eating. You won't gain SHIT ( besides a nice set of tits and a constant hard on) by taking 100,000 mg of Test a week without eating or training. The only variable that is different amongst top amateurs and pros is training and diet. Everyone uses the same drugs in the same amount for the most part. Not everybody trains hard, not everbody eats perfect, but EVERYBODY takes drugs. In the end what separates the best from the best really is the genetic makeup of the individuals. For example the amount of steroids and GH that King Kamali takes per se, is irrelevant because his structure is terrible and he will never win a pro show for the rest of his life unless he is the only competitor.
Now if this doesn't make sense to you, or you disagree with this statement, then congratulations, you have an IQ of a 2 year old and you shouldn't be giving your opinion anyways. Anybody with a normal functioning brain that has the ability to comprehend their surroundings would realize this is the truth.
hahahaha great post, but you my friend would make a horrible school teacher, bcs you aren't any good at dealing with stupid people. I can totally see you humiliating any kid who can't recite the first ten decimal digits of pi, slapping him on the head, and making him stand in the corner with a pointed hat ;D
I know this idiot who has been on test (of dubious origin, from some ug lab) non-stop since the summer of 05. The dude trains like a pussy and has no notion of the science of nutrition or training or drugs. He thinks steroids are magic. He had money problems at one point, so he just went without food and kept buying the test ::) ::) He did get up to 220 at one point, but now he is 190 fat with impressive manboobs. He nearly cried once when I called him "Pamelo Manderson." ;D In his mind, he is a huge stud though ::) ::)
I know this other kid who trains at my gym. When I first met him in the summer of 05 he was 19, 6', scrawny 160 lbs and hungry to get huge. Apparently he jumped on the roids (I don't know just what he was using), coz when I saw him next in spring quarter (9 months later), the dude was HUGE, weighing 250 lbs, lifting insane weights, massive all over, very red face, very puffy, very bloated, and gross acne (yet he insisted on wearing a tanktop). Haven't seen or heard from him lately.
The other day I ventured onto another bbing forum (I do that every once in a while.) I was shocked by this thread in which a 19 yr old kid who competed in the teen division of some midwestern show complained about how diuretics messed up his conditioning on stage. Can you believe that? 19, and the kid feels he needs not only steroids, but also diuretics to do well in a teen contest. I was appalled. When I was 19, I didn't even know what the word 'diuretics' meant. Funny what the desire to win will drive some kids to do. If this is what the kid does to win mr teen bfe, what will he do if he ever gets to junior nats?!
OK what's the point of these three stories? I dunno, they may be distantly relevant to the discussion at hand, and I just feel like talking :D
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Flex Wheeler seems like a nice guy from a phone conversation I had with him once, but if you watch his first DVD, you will see that his training was not that intense. His training was night and day in the second DVD. Paul Dillett and Gunter are king of the same way. They definitely aren't the only ones.
His training was weak here in "Hardbody":
http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/flexwheelerhardbodydvdreview.html
In "Mass Construction" it was way more intense:
http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/flexwheelermassconstructiondvd.html
However, I should point out that he was keenly aware of people mocking his low intensity and mentioned he had planned to train harder in the second video.
Flex and many other pros are proof that with the right genetics, enough food, and training (training period, not necessarily super intense) can create a world class physique.
I dunno how many others feel the same way as me, but pros' DVDs dont really interest me much, esp. when their training is nothing special. Nor do I want to see something far removed from my reality, like Ronnie Coleman training.
In all probability, the only pros whose DVDs I would buy would be called Justin Harris or Steve Kuclo... Now there's inspiration for you!
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This is the funny part of these types of discussions...it's not the pro's that are taking these enormous amounts of drugs...it's the amateurs by far...TRYING to get to the pro's. I've sen WAYYYY more abuse at the LOCAL level by guys trying to overcome shitty genetics with gear...
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This is the funny part of these types of discussions...it's not the pro's that are taking these enormous amounts of drugs...it's the amateurs by far...TRYING to get to the pro's. I've sen WAYYYY more abuse at the LOCAL level by guys trying to overcome shitty genetics with gear...
Bob what do you think of the "Dorian cycle" post?
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Bob what do you think of the "Dorian cycle" post?
It's complete fabrication...along with the "Jimmy Thompson" thread.
People on this site are way too quick to believe what they read...
Must be true, I read it on Getbig..!
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It's complete fabrication...along with the "Jimmy Thompson" thread.
People on this site are way too quick to believe what they read...
Must be true, I read it on Getbig..!
The Suspension amounts tipped me off. It's too much from what I know about Suspension.
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This is the funny part of these types of discussions...it's not the pro's that are taking these enormous amounts of drugs...it's the amateurs by far...TRYING to get to the pro's. I've sen WAYYYY more abuse at the LOCAL level by guys trying to overcome shitty genetics with gear...
Yes Chick, from my limited experiences in bbing, I think you are making a good point. Many promoters would do well to cancel the teen divisions in their shows, or drug test everyone strictly, to send a message to the young guys in the sport that they oughtta develop their work ethic first and learn everything about food and training before they use the "magic drugs."
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Exactly...the idea of building a base went "bye-bye" years ago...these teens are fuckin retarded.
I've gotten more than my share of emails asking for advices on gear, stacks, etc...anything but training.
"Back in my day" (God I hate having to use that..!)...it wasn't even considered until the "old guys" at the gym thought you built enough naturally to sustain...
If you cant get past the local level naturally...it aint happening.
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I have a good friend who started at like 15 and never stopped until a year ago. Dumb on his part and he doesn't look that great anymore.
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Exactly...the idea of building a base went "bye-bye" years ago...these teens are fuckin retarded.
I've gotten more than my share of emails asking for advices on gear, stacks, etc...anything but training.
"Back in my day" (God I hate having to use that..!)...it wasn't even considered until the "old guys" at the gym thought you built enough naturally to sustain...
If you cant get past the local level naturally...it aint happening.
Bob, people on the local leve ARE on gear, so how can a natural guy look better
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I think there's no basic formula for being a pro. Basically if you take that much gear, eat tons, and train hard, a lot of people can take bodybuilding very far - pro status, I don't know because shape and structure play a role. The hardest part of all of this is really eating tons of food because it takes so much time.
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Bob, people on the local leve ARE on gear, so how can a natural guy look better
Genetics...you either have them or you don't.
You don't build them in a gym, and you don't find thm in a bottle...
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Genetics...you either have them or you don't.
You don't build them in a gym, and you don't find thm in a bottle...
What if i made a wish one day bro? Would that come true 8)
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What if i made a wish one day bro? Would that come true 8)
Only if you wish upon a star...
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Exactly...the idea of building a base went "bye-bye" years ago...these teens are fuckin retarded.
I've gotten more than my share of emails asking for advices on gear, stacks, etc...anything but training.
"Back in my day" (God I hate having to use that..!)...it wasn't even considered until the "old guys" at the gym thought you built enough naturally to sustain...
If you cant get past the local level naturally...it aint happening.
Yeah.. it seems that most of the bbers who compete very young disappear/burn out/get injured early, and the guys who make it in the sport start competing later. I wish I could have been a fly on the wall at the 93 teen nationals (I think it was the only time ever that Branch Warren beat Jay), but most of the winners of the teen and collegiate nats disappear never to be heard from again. The only exceptions I can think of who seem to be headed to great things in the sport are Steve Kuclo and Trey Brewer.
Contrast that with guys like Evan Centopani and Phil Heath... If I am not mistaken, Heath took up bbing after college and was pro at 25.
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Genetics...you either have them or you don't.
You don't build them in a gym, and you don't find thm in a bottle...
you are right Bob
anyway I think people should just compete for themself, for fun and if they turn pro, than good for them.
I don't have the genetic/structure to ever be a top contender even at the canadian nationals but it doesn't mean I should stop training/competing because I can't be a pro
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Good post, but this isn't true. You do need to eat to gain muscle while on drugs, but you do not need to train. In fact, you could cut the intensity down to next to nothing and still gain like crazy if you take enough drugs and eat. A lot of pro DVDs and some scientific literature confirms this.
You just contradicted yourself with that statement. I understand that taking drugs without training can build small amounts of lean muscle mass (hints AIDS and cancer patients) but not enough to make a visual difference.
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You cant turn a donkey into a Kentucky Derby winner, no matter what you do...........Genetics are the key and you either have em...or you don't.
Wrong.
Donkey and horse are TWO different Animals
But you can turn a donkey in to a Juiced donkey'
And you can take a Kentucky Dervy winner in to a loser if racing natural againd juiced ones"
Genetics can only make a difference if you don't need drugs to be a winner.
to be an IFBB PRO you need to do tons of shit.
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If that was the case every one using would be a pro
Wrong too.
that's like saying everyone that works out would b a pro"
listen to the question again
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anyone could.
Not I.
I'm too smart to abuse ANYTHING, especially for peanuts or in most cases NOTHING.
Don't forget, one is almost guaranteed a sore anus as well..........
I find it amusing when guys say the words "athletes", or even"pro bbers" as if it means something........ ::)
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Not I.
I'm too smart to abuse ANYTHING, especially for peanuts or in most cases NOTHING.
Don't forget, one is almost guaranteed a sore anus as well..........
I find it amusing when guys say the words "athletes", or even"pro bbers" as if it means something........ ::)
You just couldn't do it, could you?
You couldn't make a single post on here without evoking homosexual anal sex...
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You just couldn't do it, could you?
You couldn't make a single post on here without evoking homosexual anal sex...
Just pointing out the truth.
Anal sex is a way to pay the bills, or move up the "ranks" for these guys............
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Just pointing out the truth.
Anal sex is a way to pay the bills, or move up the "ranks" for these guys............
Prove it.
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Prove it.
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Exactly. You make claims yet have no proof for them.
Next time you want to share with us your obsession about bodybuilders being involved in homosexual anal sex to advance their careers, please have proof at hand.
Put up, or shut up.
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Exactly. You make claims yet have no proof for them.
Next time you want to share with us your obsession about bodybuilders being involved in homosexual anal sex to advance their careers, please have proof at hand.
Put up, or shut up.
That's like asking for proof of their drugs use. I'm not there when they stick the needle.........
It's obvious. They admit to it (sometimes, although many deny it).
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That's like asking for proof of their drugs use. I'm not there when they stick the needle.........
It's obvious. They admit to it (sometimes, although many deny it).
No, it's not like asking for proof of their drug use. You can see the proof of their drug use by looking at their huge muscles which cannot be obtained naturally.
How do you see proof of them engaging in homosexual anal sex?
Have you ever inspected a pro's anus looking for lube and semen?
Have you seen a pro engaged in homosexual anal sex?
Have you engaged in homosexual anal sex with a pro?
If a pro has admitted to it, do you have a link or a reference?
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you know looking at Dorian's cycle in that other thread about how he used 4,000mg. of test per week and 30 dbol's a day i couldn't help but think that just about any man could be an IFBB pro if they did that cycle and ate and trained like those guys, whaddya think?
4000 mgs of test and 30 dbols a day? I'm going to call bullshit. His liver would fall off.
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Maybe his liver is protected?
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Giordano, no response?
You cannot argue with reason and logic?
You have been owned!
From now on, every time you bring up the subject of bodybuilders being involved in homosexual anal sex to advance their careers, I will remind you of this thread where I will still be waiting for your response, with proof of your claims.
Once again: put up, or shut up!
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Is that your face on that whores titties Croatch?
Yeah, why else would I have it up. Not really a whore though, actually kind of a prude. Damn those things are soft. Something you could never do with implants.
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Giordano, no response?
You cannot argue with reason and logic?
You have been owned!
From now on, every time you bring up the subject of bodybuilders being involved in homosexual anal sex to advance their careers, I will remind you of this thread where I will still be waiting for your response, with proof of your claims.
Once again: put up, or shut up!
Actually, I was away at the gym.
Not here worshipping bbers.
Do your own research about the anal thing, I'm just pointing out the truth. Gay-4-pay or gay-4-placings is a way fo life for a lot of these guys.
Your mind is made up. Even if I gave you a source, you'd call bullshit. Unless you heard it form the horse's mouth so-to-speak, which isn't going to happen.
Like I said, you keep worshipping your "muscle heroes", thinking nothing's wrong.
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To answer the original question........Yes. I think if I put into my body what these guys put into theirs I could have a Pro-BBer caliber physique. there is no doubt in my mind.
Whether or not I actually became a pro has just as much to do with politics and shit as it does your body
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Good post, but this isn't true. You do need to eat to gain muscle while on drugs, but you do not need to train. In fact, you could cut the intensity down to next to nothing and still gain like crazy if you take enough drugs and eat. A lot of pro DVDs and some scientific literature confirms this.
Come'on bro.Are you for real......??? This is Phucken hilarious..lol...
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good to see you post Big D !
will you be competing in a pro show this year ?
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Just pointing out the truth.
Anal sex is a way to pay the bills, or move up the "ranks" for these guys............
Amazing ther are guys like you that do it for free...
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To answer the original question........Yes. I think if I put into my body what these guys put into theirs I could have a Pro-BBer caliber physique. there is no doubt in my mind.
Whether or not I actually became a pro has just as much to do with politics and shit as it does your body
There is alot more in becoming a Pro then just doing boat loads of drugs there guys..
Groink-Just curious do you compete?
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There is alot more in becoming a Pro then just doing boat loads of drugs there guys..
Groink-Just curious do you compete?
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No I don't.
I hear you when you say it's more than just drugs. I'm saying if I would have ( it's a little late in the game ;D) done the whole thing 100% as far as drugs,diet,training That I have to the genetics to obtain a pro caliber physique. I have actually been told that by a few IFBB pros, not that that means anything,but it was cool to hear.
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No I don't.
I hear you when you say it's more than just drugs. I'm saying if I would have ( it's a little late in the game ;D) done the whole thing 100% as far as drugs,diet,training That I have to the genetics to obtain a pro caliber physique. I have actually been told that by a few IFBB pros, not that that means anything,but it was cool to hear.
wouda, couda, shouda ;)
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wouda, couda, shouda ;)
Whatever. I'm bigger than most guys that do take steroids.
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my take on the subject since you keep bothering me in pms i took a look at this post and this is how it is:
like bobbie said,,,if you dont make it in the local county usa show naturaly,,then you got zero chance at even PLACING top 5 in the juniors or nationals,,
to become a pro you got got got got GOT to have the muscle shape even when you are a skinny 150lb,,you are born with your muscle shape,,thats that.
now,,the hormones will grow you and will take you up from the 180 to the 240 after some time,,,but!!! it will only be muscle size,,,NOT MUSCLE SHAPE!
many guys got good genetics to look like a bodybuilder and respond well to hormones,,,but their muscle dont volumize right from within aka they lack thickness from within the muscle,,it is hard to notice for the average joe,,but good eye can see and know what im refering too,,they can be thick as fuck but!! the thickness from within the muscle is lacking in proportion to their height and that will forever limit them from getting pro card. nolotil help but not to what im talking about,,,im talking about something your genetics got to have inorder to get pro card. i can give examples but i dont want to offend lifters and members of getbig.
nutrition is key ofcourse but you can eat as much calories as you want,,,and take as many hormones as you want,,,and you still wont get a pro card if your initial shape wasnt there,,,if it is there then nutrition and hormones will get you a pro card inaddition to making you "big",,,
you can be the smallest guy in the world,,,and have shape and symetry to your physiqe,,,and at the end get a pro card,,,see stan,,see labrada,,see zane and many others,,
and this brings me to what i look for first when i enter a gym when someone approaches me,,,i NEVER LOOK AT YOUR MASS,,i always look at what is this mass made of: symetry,,proportion among muscle groups,,lean muscle tissue,,water held,, i have guys come to me weighin 260lb thinking they will go on stage 220lb and i can tell on initial look that they wont be on stage anythiing over 190lb,,the physiqe should flow right,,,nothing should come out as weird or under developed,,,this is the first chance at doing damage and GETTING A PRO CARD FROM GOOD OLD JOE,,
when you get your pro card,,,,your physiqe can do whatever it wants,,,because you already have it,,,,you can fuck yourself up then and it only hurts your pocket,,but in the npc level ,,flow of physiqe,, in all aspects,, is EVERYTHING,,the bigger the better only! if it is qualitative <new word? ;)
ok my stomack and quad hurting,,till we meet again homos ;)
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Whatever. I'm bigger than most guys that do take steroids.
you are very big, I'll give you that :)
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Taking a lot of drugs will get you big, but to be a pro, you have to be able to peak on a certain day and get dry, not to mention 12-16 weeks of dieting on low carbs. Not everybody can endure that.
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Actually, I was away at the gym.
Not here worshipping bbers.
Do your own research about the anal thing, I'm just pointing out the truth. Gay-4-pay or gay-4-placings is a way fo life for a lot of these guys.
Your mind is made up. Even if I gave you a source, you'd call bullshit. Unless you heard it form the horse's mouth so-to-speak, which isn't going to happen.
Like I said, you keep worshipping your "muscle heroes", thinking nothing's wrong.
No, YOU should do research to back up YOUR claims. If you give me a source, I would believe it if it's reliable.
You are generalizing and accusing all (or most) pros. I just ask that you prove one!
And even if you proved that 3, 5, or 10 pros resort to "Gay-4-pay or gay-4-placings," that would still be statistically insignificant given the amount of pros there are, so you still wouldn't be able to generalize in this manner.
It's basic logic, Giordano. My guess is, that wasn't your best subject at school.
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Actually, I was away at the gym.
Not here worshipping bbers.
if there was a live bodybuilding show webcast you would've been home on your computer hahahahahaha :D
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No, YOU should do research to back up YOUR claims. If you give me a source, I would believe it if it's reliable.
You are generalizing and accusing all (or most) pros. I just ask that you prove one!
And even if you proved that 3, 5, or 10 pros resort to "Gay-4-pay or gay-4-placings," that would still be statistically insignificant given the amount of pros there are, so you still wouldn't be able to generalize in this manner.
It's basic logic, Giordano. My guess is, that wasn't your best subject at school.
He CAN prove that there are 4,5 guys that do gay for pay...!
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I know a guy (he lives in Nashville now I think) that supposedly took $15,000 worth of gear in 2005 and couldn't even win the JUNIOR DIVISION at a little local show...$15,000...
GH, insulin, tons of test, sustanon, d-bol, decca...this guy took everything on earth. Lost his marriage over it.
Completely out touch with reality. There comes a time in people's lives that they need to realize that they either do or don't have what it takes to grab ahold of the dream they have. People learn as they age regarding sports and this reality (football, baseball, basketball, etc.). Guys in bodybuilding just never learn.
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I love all the sentences that have phrases like, "if i would do this...." "i could of......" "i know a guy who....." "there is this guy i know......" "i used to be awesome, it's too late now...."
Some people just can't swallow their pride and admit they will always look like shit.
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He CAN prove that there are 4,5 guys that do gay for pay...!
And that you do it for free or for charity................. ...
HAHAHAHAHAHA!
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Pros today do not train hard, they are a disgrace to the glory days of the previous generations.
You're spun my brother if you think they don't have to train hard. To be a pro you HAVE to live the lifestyle. You can't just do a bunch of "roids and win. Bodybuilding is the toughest sport on the face of the planet. You have to train with an intensity that most people will never be able to match, keep your diet strict like nobody would be able to maintain for long, and there's the sacrifices. I personally have sacrificed relationships with family, friends, and turned my back on men beause they could not handle my dedication to the sport. Is there anything you're willing to give every fiber of your being for? Then you'll NEVER be a bodybuilder. Our life is the stage and how we place, that's what we train for, it takes many years and we have to diet for months before every show, To be the top dog. Those of you who have never done it need to just take a back seat and shut the f##k up. I've paid my dues and God willing I'll be doing this for a few more years. Kudos to Chick, Shawn Ray, and others who have pushed the envelope and become an IFBB Pro. That takes a single minded dedication that most people don't have the guts for. I hope to be joining your ranks soon. And I want to give a HIGH FIVE to Heather P! She'll be doing her first pro show at the Arnold. Rock on girl!!!We love you!
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You're spun my brother if you think they don't have to train hard. To be a pro you HAVE to live the lifestyle. You can't just do a bunch of "roids and win. Bodybuilding is the toughest sport on the face of the planet. You have to train with an intensity that most people will never be able to match, keep your diet strict like nobody would be able to maintain for long, and there's the sacrifices. I personally have sacrificed relationships with family, friends, and turned my back on men beause they could not handle my dedication to the sport. Is there anything you're willing to give every fiber of your beng for? Then you'll NEVER be a bodybuilder. Our life is the stage and how we place, that's what we train for, months at a time and diet for, To be the top dog. Those of you who have never done it need to just take a back seat and shut the f##k up. I've paid my dues and God willing I'll be doing this for a few more years.
ahahahaha-shes turned HER back on men--ya that's the way it is--you have turned YOUR back on them. I mean geez, the way you look they must be hammerin at your door for dates every 10 minutes. Turned your back--ahahahahaahahhahahah-classic line of all time
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ahahahaha-shes turned HER back on men--ya that's the way it is--you have turned YOUR back on them. I mean geez, the way you look they must be hammerin at your door for dates every 10 minutes. Turned your back--ahahahahaahahhahahah-classic line of all time
You are such a cretin...look it up on google if you don't understand, and oh by the way, you're my bitch now until you pull up your game and I allow you on the the Y board...BITCH!
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You are such a cretin...look it up on google if you don't understand, and oh by the way, you're my bitch now until you pull up your game and I allow you on the the Y board...BITCH!
Oh, i guess i sense some testosterone induced overreaction and godlike feelings... ::) :'( :'( :'(
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Wrong.
Donkey and horse are TWO different Animals
But you can turn a donkey in to a Juiced donkey'
And you can take a Kentucky Dervy winner in to a loser if racing natural againd juiced ones"
Genetics can only make a difference if you don't need drugs to be a winner.
to be an IFBB PRO you need to do tons of shit.
Semantics....you get the idea.
Really had a hard time understanding your point? I think you are saying juice levels the playing field, from your words ("Genetics can only make a difference if you don't need drugs to be a winner.") I still think you are incorrect, if this was true then the guy taking the most juice wouyld be best and win....well we all know thats not the case. Try again.
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I love all the sentences that have phrases like, "if i would do this...." "i could of......" "i know a guy who....." "there is this guy i know......" "i used to be awesome, it's too late now...."
Some people just can't swallow their pride and admit they will always look like shit.
We should all "look like shit" the way I do. ::)
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You're spun my brother if you think they don't have to train hard. To be a pro you HAVE to live the lifestyle. You can't just do a bunch of "roids and win. Bodybuilding is the toughest sport on the face of the planet. You have to train with an intensity that most people will never be able to match, keep your diet strict like nobody would be able to maintain for long, and there's the sacrifices. I personally have sacrificed relationships with family, friends, and turned my back on men beause they could not handle my dedication to the sport. Is there anything you're willing to give every fiber of your being for? Then you'll NEVER be a bodybuilder. Our life is the stage and how we place, that's what we train for, it takes many years and we have to diet for months before every show, To be the top dog. Those of you who have never done it need to just take a back seat and shut the f##k up. I've paid my dues and God willing I'll be doing this for a few more years. Kudos to Chick, Shawn Ray, and others who have pushed the envelope and become an IFBB Pro. That takes a single minded dedication that most people don't have the guts for. I hope to be joining your ranks soon. And I want to give a HIGH FIVE to Heather P! She'll be doing her first pro show at the Arnold. Rock on girl!!!We love you!
u are right..lot's of sacrifices...not everyone willing to make.
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I love all the sentences that have phrases like, "if i would do this...." "i could of......" "i know a guy who....." "there is this guy i know......" "i used to be awesome, it's too late now...."
Some people just can't swallow their pride and admit they will always look like shit.
Are you saying that "The Egocrusher" will "always look like shit"?
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I have to agree with the great Chick. I have absolutely no genetics for bodybuilding.No symmetric, little shape. Hopeless. But I love training with weights and doing sports. Luckily for me I have god gifted insane hip strength which has helped me to participate in the sport of judo at the heighest level possible for my country, but on the beach I can never compete"against the genetic freaks who have only trained weights a fraction of the time I have. Sad but true..genetics play a big role in all sports. You will never be an NBA center if both your parents are 5'2
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I have to agree with the great Chick. I have absolutely no genetics for bodybuilding.No symmetric, little shape. Hopeless. But I love training with weights and doing sports. Luckily for me I have god gifted insane hip strength which has helped me to participate in the sport of judo at the heighest level possible for my country, but on the beach I can never compete"against the genetic freaks who have only trained weights a fraction of the time I have. Sad but true..genetics play a big role in all sports. You will never be an NBA center if both your parents are 5'2
Yeah its true. But i bet you can build great physic that makes chics hot on the beach.
The genetic comes into play when you compete in BBing competition.
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I've never used a damn thing in my life and have a better physique than 95% of the "non-pro's" that post their pics on here. I'm smart enough to know I'll never be a pro (no desire to). It's POINTLESS to use all that gear, spending the money and risking your health (not to mention going to jail) if you're not GOING SOMEWHERE in bodybuilding. Using gear out the wazzoo to win a LOCAL SHOW? LMAO!!
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If you are willing to sacrifice alot for nothing much in return....then yes you can become a pro. Dont give me this bull about Genetics. Look at most of the pros off of gear. They look like sh#t. Most of them dry up like old f##kin men. I like Lee and Shawn...and they are the best entertainment on this board, but in the real world they arent even average size men...so no one would be singing praise about the great genetics. Phil and Flex look good juiced up but they are really skinny average guys.
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I've never used a damn thing in my life and have a better physique than 95% of the "non-pro's" that post their pics on here. I'm smart enough to know I'll never be a pro (no desire to). It's POINTLESS to use all that gear, spending the money and risking your health (not to mention going to jail) if you're not GOING SOMEWHERE in bodybuilding. Using gear out the wazzoo to win a LOCAL SHOW? LMAO!!
I agree,thats why i am natural too.If you use them,you must compete in top 5 of Olympia.
But,anyway,the life is free to do anything and each person has their point of you.
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Semantics....you get the idea.
I still think you are incorrect, if this was true then the guy taking the most juice wouyld be best and win....well we all know thats not the case. Try again.
TOPIC "Could you be an IFBB Pro??????????"
has nothing to do with "if the one who uses more drugs comes as the winner or not."
Now go and eat your powerbar before i slap u around a call u SUSAN!!!
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TOPIC "Could you be an IFBB Pro??????????"
has nothing to do with "if the one who uses more drugs comes as the winner or not."
Now go and eat your powerbar before i slap u around a call u SUSAN!!!
Uh, yeah OK Hippo!!
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I've never used a damn thing in my life and have a better physique than 95% of the "non-pro's" that post their pics on here. I'm smart enough to know I'll never be a pro (no desire to). It's POINTLESS to use all that gear, spending the money and risking your health (not to mention going to jail) if you're not GOING SOMEWHERE in bodybuilding. Using gear out the wazzoo to win a LOCAL SHOW? LMAO!!
True!! I totally agree with you.
Most guys don't even do shows, they ruin their lives to be cooler than the others in their gym or on the beach.
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this guy said he s got the best chance
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you know looking at Dorian's cycle in that other thread about how he used 4,000mg. of test per week and 30 dbol's a day i couldn't help but think that just about any man could be an IFBB pro if they did that cycle and ate and trained like those guys, whaddya think?
No, because the average man does not have the long muscle bellies and figer density of top pros. Can I be honest with you? I think that the average ma wouldn't look anything spectacular with monster doses of drugs. Look at Titus. He has the genetics of an average man. He won the NPC Nationals in 1996, but where did he go as a pro? To pack on lots of muscle mass, you need to either have a large frame or long muscle bellies.
A 6'3 guy with a large fram can become ginormous(400 lbs) by taking sauce and other drugs, but even then, unless he has long muscle bellies too, he won't go anywhere in bodybuilding. The very best bodybuilder have an average sized frame and long muscle bellies(Coleman). This allows them to become huge while still having some aesthetics. Wheeler has very long muscle bellies and a small frame. This gave him superb aesthetics, but it never allowed him to pack enough mass to compete with the big guys. Kovacs, conversely, has the structure of a behemoth, but he went nowhere as a competitor because he lacked aesthetics.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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I've never used a damn thing in my life and have a better physique than 95% of the "non-pro's" that post their pics on here. I'm smart enough to know I'll never be a pro (no desire to). It's POINTLESS to use all that gear, spending the money and risking your health (not to mention going to jail) if you're not GOING SOMEWHERE in bodybuilding. Using gear out the wazzoo to win a LOCAL SHOW? LMAO!!
Amen!
You could just buy yourself a plastic trophy, and put your name on it............... ;D
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You guys are amazing. Most of you have never competed, don't know anything about dieting for shows, which supplements to use, when to use them, and can be judgemental on others who have won overall trophies and are on their way to being pro or are already pro. Who the hell do you think you are???? Shut the F**K up and listen to those who know whats going on in the real world of bodybuilding before you dish out all the knowledge you've gained from the last few issues of Muscle and Fitness. Do you think the pros actually give out their real routines and eating schedules in there? That's top secret information... I'm so tired of wannabe's... you guys are pathetic who trash me for being everything you wish you COULD be, but are too lazy to get off your ass and train like I do and stick to the bodybuilder diet. Right now I'm STANDING AT 5'5", 175 LBS AT 10%, i'LL STEP ON STAGE AT 160 at 6%...Yes I could be a pro, but you guys don't care about high performance women, they make you feel inferior, unless you are a competitor, then you welcome us with open arms and give us high fives for being so awesome...
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You guys are amazing. Most of you have never competed, don't know anything about dieting for shows, which supplements to use, when to use them, and can be judgemental on others who have won overall trophies and are on their way to being pro or are already pro. Who the hell do you think you are???? Shut the F**K up and listen to those who know whats going on in the real world of bodybuilding before you dish out all the knowledge you've gained from the last few issues of Muscle and Fitness. Do you think the pros actually give out their real routines and eating schedules in there? That's top secret information... I'm so tired of wannabe's... you guys are pathetic who trash me for being everything you wish you COULD be, but are too lazy to get off your ass and train like I do and stick to the bodybuilder diet. Right now I'm STANDING AT 5'5", 175 LBS AT 10%, i'LL STEP ON STAGE AT 160 at 6%...Yes I could be a pro, but you guys don't care about high performance women, they make you feel inferior, unless you are a competitor, then you welcome us with open arms and give us high fives for being so awesome...
DUDE.. quit callin yourself a woman... just bcs u dress in drag dont make u a woman... get a life, dude!!!
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Quit being so jealous of my physique. Get a trainer, lose some weight, win a few shows then talk shit to me. You are trying to burn someone way out of your league, it won't work. Get out of your 6th grade trailer trash mindset and grow up.
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Qit being so jealous of my physique. Get a trainer, lose some weight, win a few shows then talk shit to me. You are trying to burn someone way out of your league, it won't work. Get out of your 6th grade trailer trash mindset and grow up.
oooohhh i am sooo scared of you, big guy!!! yeah man i am totally jealous of ur physique!!! i mean, you are so manly and rugged, you make john cena look like a sissy!!! i wanna be you, dude!!!
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HAHAHHAHAHAHAAHHAHA I'm still laughing at Right now I'm STANDING AT 5'5", 175 LBS HAHAHAHHAH standingHAHAHAHAHAHA
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oooohhh i am sooo scared of you, big guy!!! yeah man i am totally jealous of ur physique!!! i mean, you are so manly and rugged, you make john cena look like a sissy!!! i wanna be you, dude!!!
I already GOTBIG, won overalls and now am close to pro. What are you? A keyboard gladiator...No more time for a piece of wannabe like you...
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Haha that dude is a midget... His name must be Desmond... That's why he calls himself Buff God Des...
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No I don't.
I hear you when you say it's more than just drugs. I'm saying if I would have ( it's a little late in the game ;D) done the whole thing 100% as far as drugs,diet,training That I have to the genetics to obtain a pro caliber physique. I have actually been told that by a few IFBB pros, not that that means anything,but it was cool to hear.
I'm just laughing my ass off....your are a "could be"...never will u ever amount to anything more then that. The thing is groink: u just don't have it. I
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oooohhh i am sooo scared of you, big guy!!! yeah man i am totally jealous of ur physique!!! i mean, you are so manly and rugged, you make john cena look like a sissy!!! i wanna be you, dude!!!
Quit attacking females for being more than you could ever be. Applaud the fact that we have attained goddess status. Why are you so afraid? Oh i forgot, it's beacuse youre a PUSSY!!!!!THAT SMELLS BAD
yOU MIGHT WANT TO SHOWER IN SOME VINEGAR TO GET RID OF THAT SMELL...probably a bacterial infction, but stay clean from now on and you'll be okay....maybe if my homeboys don't attack you...
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Quit attacking females for being more than you could ever be. Applaud the fact that we have attained goddess status. Why are you so afraid? Oh i forgot, it's beacuse youre a PUSSY!!!!!THAT SMELLS BAD
yOU MIGHT WANT TO SHOWER IN SOME VINEGAR TO GET RID OF THAT SMELL...probably a bacterial infction, but stay clean from now on and you'll be okay....maybe if my homeboys don't attack you...
Hahaha looks like Buff God Des is a Black dude who's a wannabe gangsta. He's threatening to unleash his "homeboys" on me... Hey Buff God Des how big is your dick? And why do you sometimes where what looks like a bikini top on stage? Hahaha what an asshole, the idiot is still claiming to be "female" just because he dresses in drag... hahahahhaaaaa
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i could
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I'm just laughing my ass off....your are a "could be"...never will u ever amount to anything more then that
and the name of the thread is "COULD YOU BE an IFBB pro?" so thanks for agreeing with me asshole head
PS is this you? If I looked like this I would kill myself
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=122764.0;attach=138606;image)
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i could
That is correct
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I think there's no basic formula for being a pro. Basically if you take that much gear, eat tons, and train hard, a lot of people can take bodybuilding very far - pro status, I don't know because shape and structure play a role. The hardest part of all of this is really eating tons of food because it takes so much time.
actually wouldnt the hardest thing be the money/work issue?...........it would be hard to shell out that much money for gear, work full time and pay your bills also
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Good post, but this isn't true. You do need to eat to gain muscle while on drugs, but you do not need to train. In fact, you could cut the intensity down to next to nothing and still gain like crazy if you take enough drugs and eat. A lot of pro DVDs and some scientific literature confirms this.
thats true...I see some lazy ass guys at the gym who never break a sweat but are huge
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groink..u are just plain delussional arm chair qb
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Quit attacking females for being more than you could ever be. Applaud the fact that we have attained goddess status. Why are you so afraid? Oh i forgot, it's beacuse youre a PUSSY!!!!!THAT SMELLS BAD
yOU MIGHT WANT TO SHOWER IN SOME VINEGAR TO GET RID OF THAT SMELL...probably a bacterial infction, but stay clean from now on and you'll be okay....maybe if my homeboys don't attack you...
How old are you?
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groink..u are just plain delussional arm chair qb
Hahahahahaahahahha another jealous hater joins the club.
Welcome tiny. I'm sorry I am everything you wish you were.
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You guys are amazing. Most of you have never competed, don't know anything about dieting for shows, which supplements to use, when to use them, and can be judgemental on others who have won overall trophies and are on their way to being pro or are already pro. Who the hell do you think you are???? Shut the F**K up and listen to those who know whats going on in the real world of bodybuilding before you dish out all the knowledge you've gained from the last few issues of Muscle and Fitness. Do you think the pros actually give out their real routines and eating schedules in there? That's top secret information... I'm so tired of wannabe's... you guys are pathetic who trash me for being everything you wish you COULD be, but are too lazy to get off your ass and train like I do and stick to the bodybuilder diet. Right now I'm STANDING AT 5'5", 175 LBS AT 10%, i'LL STEP ON STAGE AT 160 at 6%...Yes I could be a pro, but you guys don't care about high performance women, they make you feel inferior, unless you are a competitor, then you welcome us with open arms and give us high fives for being so awesome...
hahahaha, sounds like the owning i gave you a few weeks ago is really affecting you psychologically, you're coming apart at the seams, you'll be in a mental institution in a month.
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hahahaha, sounds like the owning i gave you a few weeks ago is really affecting you psychologically, you're coming apart at the seams, you'll be in a mental institution in a month.
Buff God Des's mental health is in question. I mean, the dude is the most delusional drag queen of all time, thinking he can pass off as a biological female...
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Buff God Des's mental health is in question. I mean, the dude is the most delusional drag queen of all time, thinking he can pass off as a biological female...
hahahahahaha, i wonder if the same plan "she" used for "her" sex change will cover an extended stay at the funny farm.
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groink..u are just plain delussional arm chair qb
Let me explain something to you idiot.
The Pros are just like me and you (well maybe not you). The difference is they made the commitment in their lifestyle to become competitive BBers. That means diet,training, drugs and the whole nine. Not a lot of people are willing to do that and most people have no desire to.
You seem to think that pros are some genetic muscle gods created in a lab, which is exactly what they want you to think stupid.
Let me say it too..................... ...ALL DRUGS
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Let me explain something to you idiot.
The Pros are just like me and you (well maybe not you). The difference is they made the commitment in their lifestyle to become competitive BBers. That means diet,training, drugs and the whole nine. Not a lot of people are willing to do that and most people have no desire to.
You seem to think that pros are some genetic muscle gods created in a lab, which is exactly what they want you to think stupid.
Let me say it too..................... ...ALL DRUGS
I am sorry, but there is no way I can agree with you.....I have watched alot of dedicated state level guys go to NPC regional competitions and get owned because they just don't have the genetics when it comes to getting to the best of the best....Look at Flex Wheeler-The man had great genetics, poor work ethic, but still just about took the olympia....If it is not in your genes that it is just not going to work for you at the top level....
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I couldn't be an IFBB pro.
But I could be a PDI pro. I'd just have to write Wayne telling him that there's one copy of the videotape that wasn't destroyed and I've got it, and then he would give me a pro card.
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I couldn't be an IFBB pro.
But I could be a PDI pro. I'd just have to write Wayne telling him that there's one copy of the videotape that wasn't destroyed and I've got it, and then he would give me a pro card.
Hahahaha....I thought about doing that too.... ;D
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I am sorry, but there is no way I can agree with you.....I have watched alot of dedicated state level guys go to NPC regional competitions and get owned because they just don't have the genetics when it comes to getting to the best of the best....Look at Flex Wheeler-The man had great genetics, poor work ethic, but still just about took the olympia....If it is not in your genes that it is just not going to work for you at the top level....
I agree to a point, BUT there are IFBB pros such as Titus, Farah, Kamali to name a few who are really nothing special genetically and yet they are pros.
While i agree that you must be near the top of the genetic tree, you don't have to be perfect. All pros have flaws from Mr O on down.
I think being crazy enough to do what it takes to achieve that type of build is the most deciding factor, there are lots of muscular people in this world. I just happen to be one of them.
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I agree to a point, BUT there are IFBB pros such as Titus, Farah, Kamali to name a few who are really nothing special genetically and yet they are pros.
While i agree that you must be near the top of the genetic tree, you don't have to be perfect. All pros have flaws from Mr O on down.
I think being crazy enough to do what it takes to achieve that type of build is the most deciding factor, there are lots of muscular people in this world. I just happen to be one of them.
I hear what your saying...And most of the IFBB Pro's get caught up in the rat race like most professionals do...Trying to compare themselves to someone they are incapable of looking like due to genetics...I like what Darrem did last year-He just brought the best he could be to several competitions and did quite well...That is what bodybuilding should be.....
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you guys f'in kill me. There is a genetic factor involved. You mean to tell me if people like Carl Lewis, Lance Armstrong and others whose gentic disposition are geared towards endurance sports can be Mr Olympia?
So tell me genius' what are people like Shawn Ray, Gunter, Branch Warren and many others missing from truly being Mr Olympia? They are eating, dosing and training SO.........
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you guys f'in kill me. There is a genetic factor involved. You mean to tell me if people like Carl Lewis, Lance Armstrong and others whose gentic disposition are geared towards endurance sports can be Mr Olympia?
So tell me genius' what are people like Shawn Ray, Gunter, Branch Warren and many others missing from truly being Mr Olympia? They are eating, dosing and training SO.........
First off Shawn should have won in 94.
Gunter and Branch ARE IFBB pros which was the original question, not "Do you think you could be Mr olympia?"
To further explain my opinion, 99.9% of the population has no desire whatsoever to be a BBer in the first place.
So to think you must have "needle in a haystack" type genetics when the vast majority of the gene pool doesn't even attempt it is ludicrous.
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It all depends on who shows up to the USA's, North Americans and Nationals. Everybody is on drugs (some more than others), everyone is dieting (some harder than others), everyone is training (once again, some harder than others). Which of these variables that determines the pro is irrelevant. It all depends on who shows up in each weight class.
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Let me explain something to you idiot.
The Pros are just like me and you (well maybe not you). The difference is they made the commitment in their lifestyle to become competitive BBers. That means diet,training, drugs and the whole nine. Not a lot of people are willing to do that and most people have no desire to.
You seem to think that pros are some genetic muscle gods created in a lab, which is exactly what they want you to think stupid.
Let me say it too..................... ...ALL DRUGS
thank u for the advice. Now listen here dip shit: first off i looked better at 19-20 then you do now .I played professional sports after which i competed in bb. I actually won shows both in romania and in usa. So i guess what i'm trying to say is that u are trying to sell meat to the butcher so to speak.
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thank u for the advice. Now listen here dip shit: first off i looked better at 19-20 then you do now .I played professional sports after which i competed in bb. I actually won shows both in romania and in usa. So i guess what i'm trying to say is that u are trying to sell meat to the butcher so to speak.
You'd never know it by looking at you. You look small and smooth.
You wouldn't happen to have any pics from these contests you've supposedly won would you?
Do you think I'm impressed by the fact that you needed juice to look like me? now that you are clean and I've ALWAYS been clean, I fvcking destroy you.
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you know looking at Dorian's cycle in that other thread about how he used 4,000mg. of test per week and 30 dbol's a day i couldn't help but think that just about any man could be an IFBB pro if they did that cycle and ate and trained like those guys, whaddya think?
no...
i have a long torso..
and shit genes for arms..
i could have pro legs and a back on me though...
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You'd never know it by looking at you. You look small and smooth.
You wouldn't happen to have any pics from these contests you've supposedly won would you?
Do you think I'm impressed by the fact that you needed juice to look like me? now that you are clean and I've ALWAYS been clean, I fvcking destroy you.
If u are so genetically gifted how about we both get on the sauce and see where we end up?...i'll tell u AGAIN : if u ever diet for a show you will look small slimjim. U are a big sack of fat water and muscle
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These are recent pics of both of us Natty....You need to shut the fvck up
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=122764.0;attach=138606;image)
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haha that's after 3 months of training
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haha that's after 3 months of training
So in 30 years you might look halfway decent :)
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So in 30 years you might look halfway decent :)
U keep posting the same pic...so i'll coment on it. Your waist looks as big as my back...U got thick joints , and you are big boned which is why u weigh what u weigh.Me at 240 and u at 240 are 2 entirely different animals. I'm planning to bulk up again at 240 or around and i'll be posting pics along the way. U will see what genetics mean. Not bragging ... just stating that u are a big boned american dude ...definetely not the next phil heath. And stop yapping about being natural as an excuse to be mediocre. Do a show , and then we'll talk. You are an average biatch and that's that.
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U keep posting the same pic...so i'll coment on it. Your waist looks as big as my back...U got thick joints , and you are big boned which is why u weigh what u weigh.Me at 240 and u at 240 are 2 entirely different animals. I'm planning to bulk up again at 240 or around and i'll be posting pics along the way. U will see what genetics mean. Not bragging ... just stating that u are a big boned american dude ...definetely not the next phil heath. And stop yapping about being natural as an excuse to be mediocre. Do a show , and then we'll talk. You are an average biatch and that's that.
hahahahaha, you are as delusional as Vince Goodrum.
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U keep posting the same pic...so i'll coment on it. Your waist looks as big as my back...U got thick joints , and you are big boned which is why u weigh what u weigh.Me at 240 and u at 240 are 2 entirely different animals. I'm planning to bulk up again at 240 or around and i'll be posting pics along the way. U will see what genetics mean. Not bragging ... just stating that u are a big boned american dude ...definetely not the next phil heath. And stop yapping about being natural as an excuse to be mediocre. Do a show , and then we'll talk. You are an average biatch and that's that.
The way you talk you would think you were some shapely aesthetic BBer with great structure. All I see in your pic is someone with a structure no better than mine (worse actually) and you don't carry half the muscle I do. You are fvcking delusional, i dwarf you.
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The way you talk you would think you were some shapely aesthetic BBer with great structure. All I see in your pic is someone with a structure no better than mine (worse actually) and you don't carry half the muscle I do. You are fvcking delusional, i dwarf you.
hahahaha, exactly, his waist looks 38 inches in that picture, if by aesthetic and shapely he means having 14 inch arms, 38 inch waist, 39 inch chest and 21 inch legs then sevastase is shapely as the day is long.
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hahahaha, exactly, his waist looks 38 inches in that picture, if by aesthetic and shapely he means having 14 inch arms, 38 inch waist, 39 inch chest and 21 inch legs then sevastase is shapely as the day is long.
If being shapely means having friction burns on your mouth from swallowing cocks, Sevastase is the next Flex Wheeler.
Until then,he looks like he works in a deli and eats too many cold cuts.
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my waist is 33 in that pic...to give u an ideea how thin my joints are here's a pic...now put 50 lbs of muscle on top of it and u get an ideea of me at 240.
hahahahahaha, yeah, you're going to put on 50lbs. of musle in a couple of months ::).
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hahahahahaha, yeah, you're going to put on 50lbs. of musle in a couple of months ::).
5 months to be precise...and i'm not putting them on...since i've been there before dumbass. It's called musclememory.
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Groink...any other pics beside that epic one in the mirror? I bet you are as wide in the shoulders as in the hips.
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i talk like that because i DO have a good structure and i'm decently aesthetic...which i cannot say about yourself
You don't look half bad, I'll say that. better structure than the human Pterodactyl Adonis
But you are doing THE SAME EXACT thing you are getting on me for.
"imagine what I look like with 40 pounds of muscle" I am saying the same thing If I took what pros took I'd be fvcking gigantic, and trust me, my structure is just fine just as good as yours if not better.
You have smaller joints for sure but I am yards thicker than you will ever be.
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Groink...any other pics beside that epic one in the mirror? I bet you are as wide in the shoulders as in the hips.
Nah that's it for now. i have one other floating around that shows I am far better looking than you as well, I'll look for it.
Speaking of pics....how about posting some from the shows youv'e supposedly won?
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Here it is ugly.
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I think there's no basic formula for being a pro. Basically if you take that much gear, eat tons, and train hard, a lot of people can take bodybuilding very far - pro status, I don't know because shape and structure play a role. The hardest part of all of this is really eating tons of food because it takes so much time.
and money
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all right...now we're getting somewhere. I'll post my cycle too.
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Why would anyone ever WANT to be an IFBB pro? Why would you want your body to look like that? Anyone who thinks these guys look like anything other than fat bloated circus sideshow freaks needs a reality-check.
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Why would anyone ever WANT to be an IFBB pro? Why would you want your body to look like that? Anyone who thinks these guys look like anything other than fat bloated circus sideshow freaks needs a reality-check.
Why do you care?
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Why would anyone ever WANT to be an IFBB pro? Why would you want your body to look like that? Anyone who thinks these guys look like anything other than fat bloated circus sideshow freaks needs a reality-check.
I think it has to do with bettering ones self. Also using what mother nature blessed u with to be the best u can be ( but i'm sure she was less than kind to u )
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The simple answer is yes, I could be... given enough drugs, a schedule that allowed me to train twice a day and some sponsors to keep me fed... no problem.
The real thing is... do I really want to be a pro bodybuilder and have to do things I'd rather not just to eat?
Real tough call there.
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The simple answer is yes, I could be... given enough drugs, a schedule that allowed me to train twice a day and some sponsors to keep me fed... no problem.
The real thing is... do I really want to be a pro bodybuilder and have to do things I'd rather not just to eat?
Real tough call there.
LOL....
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I think it has to do with bettering ones self.
I wouldn't exactly call what IFBB pros do "bettering" themselves. Maybe at one time professional BB represented this ideal, but it hasn't for decades.
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I wouldn't exactly call what IFBB pros do "bettering" themselves. Maybe at one time professional BB represented this ideal, but it hasn't for decades.
Which decades were that? Must have been long before I was born...
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Hey Spermaextase!
Why, if you are planning on not being natural in a few weeks, do you do your first cycle with ONE gram of Test and Tren??
I smell bullshit here, nobody does that for a first cycle. You are already using roids, admit it!
Your '240'lbs pic looks like a typical deca bloat, also you are too bald too be natural, you pantysniffer.
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Ba, sevastase esti roman?
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If that was the case every one using would be a pro
just shattered squadfather's delusions
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Matt C is right, there's been recent research (trying to locate the study now) that showed using a very moderate amount of anabolics, with proper diet, led to an average increase in fat free muscle mass of 6kg. Why doesn't it work for a lot of gym go-ers though? Because they don't eat right, drink too much or do recreational drugs, have an irregular sleeppattern, or a combination of the above.
then there's the case of genetics, all our possibilities are inherently genetic, how fast we learn, our degree of perseverance, how we respond to gear, muscle shape, metabolism, protein synthesis baserate, etc etc. Don't be fooled, everything we achieve in life is because our genes, not despite them.
What does this mean for BB? Some people get big natural but don't get much bigger with gear, others will get big but look like shit, others will stay pretty small but look good. Put 2 people on the same BB regime and they will end up looking different, a concept known as multifinality, whilst 2 persons doing completely different thing can end up with the same result, equifinality.
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Pros today do not train hard, they are a disgrace to the glory days of the previous generations.
True!!!!!
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Hey Spermaextase!
Why, if you are planning on not being natural in a few weeks, do you do your first cycle with ONE gram of Test and Tren??
I smell bullshit here, nobody does that for a first cycle. You are already using roids, admit it!
Your '240'lbs pic looks like a typical deca bloat, also you are too bald too be natural, you pantysniffer.
ok...monster stupid...here it is for u. natty as in drug free. i've been doing cycles on/off for a while now...more then 10 years.
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Hey Spermaextase!
Why, if you are planning on not being natural in a few weeks, do you do your first cycle with ONE gram of Test and Tren??
I smell bullshit here, nobody does that for a first cycle. You are already using roids, admit it!
Your '240'lbs pic looks like a typical deca bloat, also you are too bald too be natural, you pantysniffer.
Also there is no 240 pic on the forum retard. The one in the white underware is at 200, drug free. go through my posts because i smell ignorant.
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Ba, sevastase esti roman?
bineinteles...am repetat-o de multe ori.
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Hey Spermaextase!
Why, if you are planning on not being natural in a few weeks, do you do your first cycle with ONE gram of Test and Tren??
I smell bullshit here, nobody does that for a first cycle. You are already using roids, admit it!
Your '240'lbs pic looks like a typical deca bloat, also you are too bald too be natural, you pantysniffer.
I would love to see his pics at 240.....with his "perfect" structure he should look like a 240 lb Steve Reeves ::)
Can anyone slap em up?
EDIT Please don't tell me this is you at 240 geared up.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=122764.0;attach=138606;image)
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HAHAHAAHAHAHA no he suposedly lost ALL his pictures from when he didn't look like a bag of shit..... o ya don't forget he benches 400 and squats 700.....
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HAHAHAAHAHAHA no he suposedly lost ALL his pictures from when he didn't look like a bag of shit..... o ya don't forget he benches 400 and squats 700.....
So he's your typical internet bullshitter then? That's what I thought. At least he tells good lies, like winning BB shows.
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So he's your typical internet bullshitter then? That's what I thought. At least he tells good lies, like winning BB shows.
Yup Groink you sure have this internet badass pegged
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So he's your typical internet bullshitter then? That's what I thought. At least he tells good lies, like winning BB shows.
i'll be posting videos soon with 400 plus benches and 600+squats. I talk a lot of shit but I can back it up. That pic is drug free at 200 , after only 3 months in the gym.
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hahahaha, look at that pathetic picture, has that clown ever trained a day in his life?
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hahahaha, look at that pathetic picture, has that clown ever trained a day in his life?
I got big a few years back with moderate weights and plenty of intensity under the guidance of Ron Love. I'm not changing my philosophy anytime soon.
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I got big a few years back with moderate weights and plenty of intensity under the guidance of Ron Love. I'm not changing my philosophy anytime soon.
hahahaha, of course you did, and let me guess, you don't have any pictures from back then, right?
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hahahaha, of course you did, and let me guess, you don't have any pictures from back then, right?
ah the irony
still haven't seen your pics, big guy
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ah the irony
still haven't seen your pics, big guy
i'm not the one making outrageous claims like he is.
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I got big a few years back with moderate weights and plenty of intensity under the guidance of Ron Love. I'm not changing my philosophy anytime soon.
Dude you need to off your self for those pics. Put in the work and then take pics God Damn it. Fuckers kill me, lift weights for 3 weeks and then take pics in their drawls...
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Dude you need to off your self for those pics. Put in the work and then take pics God Damn it. Fuckers kill me, lift weights for 3 weeks and then take pics in their drawls...
hahahaha, exactly, although i don't think he even lifted weights for 3 hrs. let alone three weeks.
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Dude you need to off your self for those pics. Put in the work and then take pics God Damn it. Fuckers kill me, lift weights for 3 weeks and then take pics in their drawls...
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Dude you need to off your self for those pics. Put in the work and then take pics God Damn it. Fuckers kill me, lift weights for 3 weeks and then take pics in their drawls...
rofl
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I got plenty of pics and info on this forum. Look them up.
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I got plenty of pics and info on this forum. Look them up.
Well post them on here and if they are truly pictures of you looking halfway decent i will have to apologise. But as of now it dosent look like you were ever big at all. You dont fall off that much to where it dont even look like you lift weights ever in your life. I actually think you makin some kind of a sick joke with them pics you got up there.
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if this is me at 17 or 18..and i'm 31 now...you figure it out.
HHAHAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA A jesus christ that is funny dude!!! no wonder they call you "SevenCocksToTease" hahahahahahaa
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I gotta say that is one of the all time gayest and tighest speedos i've ever seen. You're definitely gay, so please from now on S T O P replying to my threads!
Thanks Anti-Gay Team
p.s. Somebody please tell this loser to knock it off with his pix on getbig, he's really proud of his pix
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I gotta say that is one of the all time gayest and tighest speedos i've ever seen. You're definitely gay, so please from now on S T O P replying to my threads!
Thanks Anti-Gay Team
p.s. Somebody please tell this loser to knock it off with his pix on getbig, he's really proud of his pix
::)
lol, btw, u look a lot leaner in ure avator pic.
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if this is me at 17 or 18..and i'm 31 now...you figure it out.
Dude I am a man of my word. Though i dont believe you ever competed lookin like that...you did look half way decent. So do apologize seriously.
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lol, btw, u look a lot leaner in ure avator pic.
Thanks bro, now what's your take on the "major super tight around the ball sack speedos" of Mr.Personal Trainer of the year aka sevastase with 1000 questions @ getbig on how to personal train his clients
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Thanks bro, now what's your take on the "major super tight around the ball sack speedos" of Mr.Personal Trainer of the year aka sevastase with 1000 questions @ getbig on how to personal train his clients
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got any pics mr "all talk no walk" ?
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but seriously dude why in gods name did you take those pics in your undies...dude you you have no legs to speak of. the only way you can explain those pics was if you said you were going to do the B4L program and those were the before pictures. You look like a sack of assholes and have to nerve to take a picture of it and not label it BEFORE. damn near makes me angry
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but seriously dude why in gods name did you take those pics in your undies...dude you you have no legs to speak of. the only way you can explain those pics was if you said you were going to do the B4L program and those were the before pictures. You look like a sack of assholes and have to nerve to take a picture of it and not label it BEFORE. damn near makes me angry
Or it is for a gay dating site.
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got any pics mr "all talk no walk" ?
Who you talkin to?
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Thanks bro, now what's your take on the "major super tight around the ball sack speedos" of Mr.Personal Trainer of the year aka sevastase with 1000 questions @ getbig on how to personal train his clients
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If that is u in the avatar i'd just keep quiet.
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If that is u in the avatar i'd just keep quiet.
Looks a hell of a lot better than any of the pictures you posted
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Looks a hell of a lot better than any of the pictures you posted
:D
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dont even look like you trained hard for any period of time. And why dont you post the best pic you have to shut us up,.
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got any pics mr "all talk no walk" ?
Dude since you don't seem to get off my ballsack at all, here's 2 pix. I'm all natural, and no this is not a show off. I'm not the best built but i work with my genetics now since you're a pain in the ass here ya go
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Monster 48 inch waist!!! ALL DRUGS!!! I hope your kidneys aren't completely fried already :-[
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dude you must have been hell small to start off. you got a bunch of strecth marks on the shoulder. how much did you weigh when you started?
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Monster 48 inch waist!!! ALL DRUGS!!! I hope your kidneys aren't completely fried already :-[
You're kidding me right? My health is perfectly fine, my waist is actually 60 inches
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dude you must have been hell small to start off. you got a bunch of strecth marks on the shoulder. how much did you weigh when you started?
The stretch marks are nothing, only girls would care about those. ;) Plus as long as i'm getting laid i'm not worried about it. I was around 175lbs when i started off
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You must be joking right?
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You must be joking right?
Oh yeah this is another joke check out another pic guy, 13 inch pythons :o
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The stretch marks are nothing, only girls would care about those. ;) Plus as long as i'm getting laid i'm not worried about it. I was around 175lbs when i started off
what do you weigh now 176
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Alright this dude this is the last ONE pic i'm posting, cause this thread can't get gayer than what you already made it to be. Keep working harder and maybe you need to get back on the gear cause for somebody who's been on it i dont know where you went wrong. And why do you post pix of yourself posing like getbig is a photo shoot agency, i'm done with this thread guy...
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Alright this dude this is the last ONE pic i'm posting, cause this thread can't get gayer than what you already made it to be. Keep working harder and maybe you need to get back on the gear cause for somebody who's been on it i dont know where you went wrong. And why do you post pix of yourself posing like getbig is a photo shoot agency, i'm done with this thread guy...
with that shot u juist pwned sevastese 8), u have a lost a fair bit of fat bro, looking good.
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with that shot u juist pwned sevastese 8), u have a lost a fair bit of fat bro, looking good.
Thanks bro i'm not posting pix to show off a lot of getbiggers know that i've never actually posted pix of myself throughout the years but since this annoying dude wont hop off my dick i thought he'd sleep better if i post pix.
Btw Mr.BigmAc i'm waiting for your monster "ripped pix" alright "big guy"
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are you all crazy?? that svan guy take this with out even a second look,,tann goes for the other guy
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Thanks bro i'm not posting pix to show off a lot of getbiggers know that i've never actually posted pix of myself throughout the years but since this annoying dude wont hop off my dick i thought he'd sleep better if i post pix.
Btw Mr.BigmAc i'm waiting for your monster "ripped pix" alright "big guy"
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jesus....u are even worst than i thought.
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Thanks bro i'm not posting pix to show off a lot of getbiggers know that i've never actually posted pix of myself throughout the years but since this annoying dude wont hop off my dick i thought he'd sleep better if i post pix.
Btw Mr.BigmAc i'm waiting for your monster "ripped pix" alright "big guy"
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i was joking mate, chill out
you are owning sevasabitch all over this thread
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i was joking mate, chill out
you are owning sevasabitch all over this thread
lol i know bro i was just breaking your balls ;D
p.s. thanks for the compliment btw
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Damn bro, you look pretty good there. What on earth were you thinking when you posted those other pics?!!!! I would have burned them and shredded the ashes.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=118241.0;attach=138830)
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Damn bro, you look pretty good there. What on earth were you thinking when you posted those other pics?!!!! I would have burned them and shredded the ashes.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=118241.0;attach=138830)
I JUST NEEDED FEEDBACK. I know what i can look like when i'm in contest shape and on gear so i don't sweat the small stuff.
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Abs shot is my weakest area ::)
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here u go just in case u needed more
so were you on for those pics
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i was a fat slob about at 240 in those pics. im all natty and started at 18.5 year old. i was 150 now im about 230 and im 24. im tighter now though. ill post pics tommorrow
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nice..now lose the baby fat ...see what u got left. props for the work you put into that bod.
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nice..now lose the baby fat ...see what u got left. props for the work you put into that bod.
Thanks. I lost a lot of fat bny now. i was 15lbs heavier in those. i lost the fat when i went through a break up. I basically stopped eating (i know i know broads) but still trained.
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Abs shot is my weakest area ::)
you look like your average swimmer/beach bod type. do i smell gyno?
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Thanks for pulling your towel up a bit for that shot
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Thanks for pulling your towel up a bit for that shot
no prob.
This is me all hella skinny like a couple days ago. Exuse the gayness of the pose. i was trying to get a shot of my tat. came out hella gay though
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Big_Mal: looking good, cardio and diet would improve everything
Sevetase: Very Lean and gay in many pics
Big Nav: Softer than a wet cheetos
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You look okay Sev but you come off like you are Flex Wheeler pt2. you have a decent build but no mass to speak of, kind of a less ugly version of Adonis.
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Big_Mal: looking good, cardio and diet would improve everything
Sevetase: Very Lean and gay in many pics
Big Nav: Softer than a wet cheetos
Thanks jj.
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here u go just in case u needed more
Alright here's more for you too?
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You look okay Sev but you come off like you are Flex Wheeler pt2. you have a decent build but no mass to speak of, kind of a less ugly version of Adonis.
hahahahahah
and above me ....
MONSTER BACK..... Dr. Evils Cat called , wanted his back, well back ...ahahahh
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Alright here's more for you too?
wanna compare big nav?
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wanna compare big nav?
Sure thing let me just add more meat on ;D
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dude you must have been hell small to start off. you got a bunch of strecth marks on the shoulder. how much did you weigh when you started?
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Ahem Ahem "Big_Mal" i'm still waiting for those ripped pix of yours dude
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Ahem Ahem "Big_Mal" i'm still waiting for those ripped pix of yours dude
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Aww shit you tryin to play an nig.ga. By me saying that you had strecth marks was saying you got bigger fast. Dont doubt the kid can get cut. Im just trying to get a big back now so i aint dieting for nothin. but here i go a bit leaner
Dude i choose to be big right now.
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and no the second one is not supposed to be me lean. Im just saying i like to be big,
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Aww shit you tryin to play an nig.ga. By me saying that you had strecth marks was saying you got bigger fast. Dont doubt the kid can get cut. Im just trying to get a big back now so i aint dieting for nothin. but here i go a bit leaner
Dude i choose to be big right now.
lol i'm just breaking your balls bro ;D
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lol i'm just breaking your balls bro ;D
Oh ok...Its cool ;D
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Hey 240 is back aka Rob i'm thinking about calling you out bro ;D
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id have to say big mal takes it good size bro
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id have to say big mal takes it good size bro
I had my pix up before but took them down for obvious reasons bro